Matrix Mafia Endgame, Town and Survivors win!

by **SPARTACUS1974** on Fri Apr 20, 2012 11:55 am

ok for now unvote i was only joke voting .

been looking up and im still a little unsure that tanks would be a vt it just doe's not seem to fit but heyho the last couple of roles ive had, did not really fit .

i see the hippo is still jumping around with his votes i know he does this in his games but his votes seem to be moving about alot quicker in this game or is this just me ?

im gonna have a proper read through to see what else pops up

fastposted by soundman

by **jak111** on Fri Apr 20, 2012 1:00 pm

For people questioning if I'm skimming. The post above me explains it a bit.

SPARTACUS1974 wrote:ok for now unvote i was only joke voting .

been looking up and im still a little unsure that tanks would be a vt it just doe's not seem to fit but heyho the last couple of roles ive had, did not really fit .

i see the hippo is still jumping around with his votes i know he does this in his games but his votes seem to be moving about alot quicker in this game or is this just me ?

im gonna have a proper read through to see what else pops up

fastposted by soundman

I find it highly unlikely that he's just a simple VT. So yes, there is info still lurking around him. Otherwise, for people questioning if I skim, you are skimming yourself when I helped Neb out with making a list of smallish cases. Unlike most of you I'm keeping tabs on everyone. Checking their recent activities and checking their posts. So please, stop skimming over my posts too quickly and setting up an OMGUS vote (which is not only used for when a person votes for the person who voted them but also can generally be used when the person just makes a hypocritical post or just a case that sucks in general, which a lot of you seem to be going the first and a few the second).

Furthermore, I've stated that I will not vote for Neb unless I see more town wanting to pressure him further, please refrain from taking my cases and voting out of context people. Any of you who have played with me before know how quickly I can turn those around against the skimmer him/herself.

by **Djfireside** on Fri Apr 20, 2012 1:26 pm

Nicely put. Day 1 is normally a hectic zoo runaround but definately nicely articulated.

by **Leehar** on Fri Apr 20, 2012 1:55 pm

SPARTACUS1974 wrote:i see the hippo is still jumping around with his votes i know he does this in his games but his votes seem to be moving about alot quicker in this game or is this just me ?

I can only think it's because he's more involved in mafia games and therefore more active, and also because he's just got back from vaca so more interested in being involved.

by **thehippo8** on Fri Apr 20, 2012 2:24 pm

Ok, joke-voting is over.

I would have thought that flip-flopping would be appropriate for a Matrix themed game! For anyone confused about my voting have another shifty through the posts and it'll make mare sense to you. If not then Neo may be screwing with your perceptions!

So, back to the game. No comment from MoB I see. Not like you, and not acceptable buddy! Ya gotta be in it or you'll be out of it :!:

So, and to prove I am nothing if not consistent, unvote vote MoB

by **Iron Butterfly** on Fri Apr 20, 2012 3:15 pm

jak111 wrote:For people questioning if I'm skimming. The post above me explains it a bit.

SPARTACUS1974 wrote:ok for now unvote i was only joke voting .

been looking up and im still a little unsure that tanks would be a vt it just doe's not seem to fit but heyho the last couple of roles ive had, did not really fit .

i see the hippo is still jumping around with his votes i know he does this in his games but his votes seem to be moving about alot quicker in this game or is this just me ?

im gonna have a proper read through to see what else pops up

fastposted by soundman

I find it highly unlikely that he's just a simple VT. So yes, there is info still lurking around him. Otherwise, for people questioning if I skim, you are skimming yourself when I helped Neb out with making a list of smallish cases. Unlike most of you I'm keeping tabs on everyone. Checking their recent activities and checking their posts. So please, stop skimming over my posts too quickly and setting up an OMGUS vote (which is not only used for when a person votes for the person who voted them but also can generally be used when the person just makes a hypocritical post or just a case that sucks in general, which a lot of you seem to be going the first and a few the second).

Furthermore, I've stated that I will not vote for Neb unless I see more town wanting to pressure him further, please refrain from taking my cases and voting out of context people. Any of you who have played with me before know how quickly I can turn those around against the skimmer him/herself.

Unvote Neb

I have a question for jaK111. On both pages 12 and 16 you are gung ho for getting after inactive. You have gone to great lengths to point out folks like myself who have been not posting. I have been overwhelmed with my other games and work. POKE MAN is crazy.

With this game day one has been one big joke with a short exchange between several players about Homms. Then we had the band wagon on Neb.Its not until page 18 or so we start getting a bit more serious and start playing.

While I have not been as active as some I have been following and commenting when needed.

It was to my surprise that I saw Spartacus was in the game. I went through the post logs. He has two irrelevant joke posts early in the game day. Now he comes along and posts a few posts above me.

You've been very up to date on my activity but Sparticas has fallen off the radar. I think I even have more posts then him. Granted it is early in the game and I understand about folks not being able to fully focus on a game at times...But I find it odd that several folks have pointed me out for submarining while Sparticas has gotten a free pass.

Seeing how your keeping tabs is there a reason for this?

by **jak111** on Fri Apr 20, 2012 3:24 pm

Iron Butterfly wrote:
jak111 wrote:For people questioning if I'm skimming. The post above me explains it a bit.

SPARTACUS1974 wrote:ok for now unvote i was only joke voting .

been looking up and im still a little unsure that tanks would be a vt it just doe's not seem to fit but heyho the last couple of roles ive had, did not really fit .

i see the hippo is still jumping around with his votes i know he does this in his games but his votes seem to be moving about alot quicker in this game or is this just me ?

im gonna have a proper read through to see what else pops up

fastposted by soundman

I find it highly unlikely that he's just a simple VT. So yes, there is info still lurking around him. Otherwise, for people questioning if I skim, you are skimming yourself when I helped Neb out with making a list of smallish cases. Unlike most of you I'm keeping tabs on everyone. Checking their recent activities and checking their posts. So please, stop skimming over my posts too quickly and setting up an OMGUS vote (which is not only used for when a person votes for the person who voted them but also can generally be used when the person just makes a hypocritical post or just a case that sucks in general, which a lot of you seem to be going the first and a few the second).

Furthermore, I've stated that I will not vote for Neb unless I see more town wanting to pressure him further, please refrain from taking my cases and voting out of context people. Any of you who have played with me before know how quickly I can turn those around against the skimmer him/herself.

Unvote Neb

I have a question for jaK111. On both pages 12 and 16 you are gung ho for getting after inactive. You have gone to great lengths to point out folks like myself who have been not posting. I have been overwhelmed with my other games and work. POKE MAN is crazy.

With this game day one has been one big joke with a short exchange between several players about Homms. Then we had the band wagon on Neb.Its not until page 18 or so we start getting a bit more serious and start playing.

While I have not been as active as some I have been following and commenting when needed.

It was to my surprise that I saw Spartacus was in the game. I went through the post logs. He has two irrelevant joke posts early in the game day. Now he comes along and posts a few posts above me.

You've been very up to date on my activity but Sparticas has fallen off the radar. I think I even have more posts then him. Granted it is early in the game and I understand about folks not being able to fully focus on a game at times...But I find it odd that several folks have pointed me out for submarining while Sparticas has gotten a free pass.

Seeing how your keeping tabs is there a reason for this?

More skimming I see... You didn't look at my list at all, did you?

jak's list wrote:Iron Butterfly
Cowboyz (Never said anything since two days ago and that was in the joke vote stage)
Crazymilkshake (Never posted much of import besides joking around or voting band wagon votes with NO explanation)
Eldario (made 3 posts, 1 to join, 1 to confirm, and one to vote Neb)
Ghostly (made 3 posts, 1 to join, 1 to confirm, and one to say he was reading up on the game 3 days ago)
Soundman (For only joke voting, making himself lay low and seem active every 2 days)
Spartacus (Only joke voting so far, also hasn't posted in 3 days)

I mentioned Spartacus, so I have a question for you. Are you going to make any cases? Are you going to point more things out that I haven't mentioned earlier? I haven't played with you before IB, so I do hope you try to make a good first impression, because so far you're doing worse than my first games with CLEVER. Mind you Clever didn't do so bad, but me and him were new players to this forum around the same time, and he's made scum slips when he's been town o.O...

So go back to page 22 and recheck my list IB before trying to say that I didn't mention Spartacus in my list.

by **jak111** on Fri Apr 20, 2012 3:31 pm

Actually, could we get a prod on Ghostly, he's been active in his other games. Even a post in one today, but not here. This is highly unlike him!

by **Some7hingCLEVER** on Fri Apr 20, 2012 3:37 pm

jak111 wrote:Actually, could we get a prod on Ghostly, he's been active in his other games. Even a post in one today, but not here. This is highly unlike him!

lol he is busy but i may be at his house and ill send the message

by **MoB Deadly** on Fri Apr 20, 2012 5:27 pm

UFC 145 and Diablo III beta released for this weekend only. My activity will be sporadic at best until Monday. Havent read anything since my last post

by **Iron Butterfly** on Fri Apr 20, 2012 6:18 pm

jak111 wrote:
Iron Butterfly wrote:
jak111 wrote:For people questioning if I'm skimming. The post above me explains it a bit.

SPARTACUS1974 wrote:ok for now unvote i was only joke voting .

been looking up and im still a little unsure that tanks would be a vt it just doe's not seem to fit but heyho the last couple of roles ive had, did not really fit .

i see the hippo is still jumping around with his votes i know he does this in his games but his votes seem to be moving about alot quicker in this game or is this just me ?

im gonna have a proper read through to see what else pops up

fastposted by soundman

I find it highly unlikely that he's just a simple VT. So yes, there is info still lurking around him. Otherwise, for people questioning if I skim, you are skimming yourself when I helped Neb out with making a list of smallish cases. Unlike most of you I'm keeping tabs on everyone. Checking their recent activities and checking their posts. So please, stop skimming over my posts too quickly and setting up an OMGUS vote (which is not only used for when a person votes for the person who voted them but also can generally be used when the person just makes a hypocritical post or just a case that sucks in general, which a lot of you seem to be going the first and a few the second).

Furthermore, I've stated that I will not vote for Neb unless I see more town wanting to pressure him further, please refrain from taking my cases and voting out of context people. Any of you who have played with me before know how quickly I can turn those around against the skimmer him/herself.

Unvote Neb

I have a question for jaK111. On both pages 12 and 16 you are gung ho for getting after inactive. You have gone to great lengths to point out folks like myself who have been not posting. I have been overwhelmed with my other games and work. POKE MAN is crazy.

With this game day one has been one big joke with a short exchange between several players about Homms. Then we had the band wagon on Neb.Its not until page 18 or so we start getting a bit more serious and start playing.

While I have not been as active as some I have been following and commenting when needed.

It was to my surprise that I saw Spartacus was in the game. I went through the post logs. He has two irrelevant joke posts early in the game day. Now he comes along and posts a few posts above me.

You've been very up to date on my activity but Sparticas has fallen off the radar. I think I even have more posts then him. Granted it is early in the game and I understand about folks not being able to fully focus on a game at times...But I find it odd that several folks have pointed me out for submarining while Sparticas has gotten a free pass.

Seeing how your keeping tabs is there a reason for this?

More skimming I see... You didn't look at my list at all, did you?

jak's list wrote:Iron Butterfly
Cowboyz (Never said anything since two days ago and that was in the joke vote stage)
Crazymilkshake (Never posted much of import besides joking around or voting band wagon votes with NO explanation)
Eldario (made 3 posts, 1 to join, 1 to confirm, and one to vote Neb)
Ghostly (made 3 posts, 1 to join, 1 to confirm, and one to say he was reading up on the game 3 days ago)
Soundman (For only joke voting, making himself lay low and seem active every 2 days)
Spartacus (Only joke voting so far, also hasn't posted in 3 days)

I mentioned Spartacus, so I have a question for you. Are you going to make any cases? Are you going to point more things out that I haven't mentioned earlier? I haven't played with you before IB, so I do hope you try to make a good first impression, because so far you're doing worse than my first games with CLEVER. Mind you Clever didn't do so bad, but me and him were new players to this forum around the same time, and he's made scum slips when he's been town o.O...

So go back to page 22 and recheck my list IB before trying to say that I didn't mention Spartacus in my list.

I stand corrected. I am sorry I have not lived up to your expectations. I didn't realize I was playing against a pro such as yourself.

I don't make cases just to make cases so it seems like I am participating. While lack of posting and acting like a submariner could indicate mafia it does not prove anything unless it is a habitual pattern. We are in day one. If you subtract the joke phase the game is only about 8 pages long.

I'm always looking for pointers from vets such as yourself so I look forward to your future posts.

by **thechuck51** on Fri Apr 20, 2012 8:20 pm

Iron Butterfly wrote:
thechuck51 wrote:
Iron Butterfly wrote:OK....seeing how we have 24 people playing and it takes 13 to lynch Neb may as well be the first to claim.

Vote Neb

I believe he is now at L3

safariguy5 wrote:Vote Count

IB(1)- jak, Leehar
crazymilkshake(1)- soundman
Neb(11)- Skillfu, eldario, spart, yoshi, everywhere, Neb, cm5, dazza, mob, edoc, IB
betiko(2)- cowboyz
dazza(1)- freezie
freezie(1)- jonty

With 24 alive, it takes 13 to lynch.

Deadline is midnight May 1st, PST. If no lynch is decided by then, the day will end in a no lynch.

Your vote made 11 which if I am correct put neb at L2.

Did you miscount when you said he was at L3? or were you hoping that somebody would trust your count and
vote neb to increase pressure (by putting him at what they thought was L2), thus allowing one of your scumbuddies to swoop in and drop the hammer?

Seeing how you have two answers ready to go why not just pick one and vote accordingly.

To me it was an obvious mistake. You however may have a different agenda. I will most definatlely watch more closely what you post.

I figured it was a mistake but I figured I would throw something out there to ruffle some feathers and see how you reacted.

by **Iron Butterfly** on Fri Apr 20, 2012 8:42 pm

I would be curious as to what you can tell me about player reactions.

Is there something you look for? Do most players react a certain way when you "ruffle their feathers"?

What games has this worked for you?

by **jak111** on Fri Apr 20, 2012 8:47 pm

Ruffling feathers always works for me

I get info that way, so I somewhat agree with Chuck. Check the Yo Ho game (The last lynch really only got by because I "ruffled the feathers" of the last mafia

It makes them frustrated like you seem to have gotten IB, see we can get you to be more active.. Just gotta.. ruffle some feathers.

by **Nebuchadnezer** on Fri Apr 20, 2012 8:50 pm

crazymilkshake5 wrote:I still aint done with ya neb, You say your a VT? well that doesnt sound right, why? because Tank was anything but a VT!

Tank had a brother, Dozer, so that opens a mason role, also, he was a pure human, born in Zion, so he could not go into the matrix, and he also gave his crew mates that went into the matrix the skills they needed for the matrix,This is the scene just after Tank gives Neo Kung-Fu powers!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EmEPXXJ4sKw&feature=related

So either he is lying to cover up his true role as a Mason/something, or he just made a bad fake-claim.

For that reason my vote stays.

I am now glad I did this little ploy of mine. I now know what it feels like to continue to be beaten over the head after you make a full claim of everything that you know your role to be...yet somehow, people will never believe the simplest answers. They always want more...so I will answer what I can...

1. Yes. I am VT.

Oh, turns out that was the only question. The rest was milkshake making up his own story about how he would have set up Tank, if he were running this game. Please note the green section. Wrong milkshake. Those are not the only options. There is the option that I am in fact telling the truth, and am only Tank the Vanilla Townie. But somehow, you don't want to believe that.

by **Nebuchadnezer** on Fri Apr 20, 2012 8:54 pm

betiko wrote:well I was one of the guys who voted for roussalier and during my sleep saf has replaced him by clever and invalidated the roussalier vote, so people are just not paying attention. we were like 4 voters on him so obviously that makes a few people who are counted as none voters.

Otherwise I think that iron butterfly still shows to be actively submarining. I don't know yet about neb, so I'd rather try this new case out, there is already a few votes on IB.

Vote Iron butterfly

You are correct...I forgot about CLEVER coming in and removing all his votes automatically. There were a few people I didn't give credit to for that. But it seems we've moved past that part of the finger pointing anyway. Apologies.

by **Nebuchadnezer** on Fri Apr 20, 2012 9:01 pm

DoomYoshi wrote:Yea, I think jak's problem right now is that he is just in a habit of using certain bromides and now can't stop. There is no other information we can get.

Likewise, playing the mod is stupid, but not enough to warrant voting crazy (I don't see anything scummy about it).

@Neb: Do you realize that if you are a VT, part of what you need to do now is die? A VT is most useful if he draws the mafia kill, but equally useful as a day 1 BW/lynch. So, if we do kill you (and we probably will) you shouldn't have any hard feelings, this is part of VT play.

The entire voting for people who haven't voted and waiting for after 4 players had their votes wiped off is weird; although I think it may be just due to the pressure of L-2.

I am interested to see Iron post, but I think he has enough votes on him for now.

Eldario's play seems pretty cautious. I am sure of my townishness and therefore I can throw caution to the wind.

vote eldario

1. I realize I might die. However, I wasn't aware that I need to die. In fact, I rather think my stupid play has kicked up quite the conversations. I think this day was a boring pile of steaming poo until I wigged out and got some attention. Why not keep me around and see what else I can kick up?
2. As to the red part...I thought the same thing...that almost killed me. My lesson learned...don't get too cocky. You may know your town and have good intentions, but nobody else knows that.

by **thechuck51** on Fri Apr 20, 2012 9:09 pm

Iron Butterfly wrote:I would be curious as to what you can tell me about player reactions.

Is there something you look for? Do most players react a certain way when you "ruffle their feathers"?

What games has this worked for you?

Well this is my first game so I guess you could say it has never worked for me

I thought "ruffling feathers" was part of the day 1 process. You apply a little pressure, throw out an accusation, see if any cracks start to form. What do those cracks look like? I can't say for sure. I guess its like some people's definition of pornography: I'll know it when I see it.

fastposted x2 by neb

by **safariguy5** on Fri Apr 20, 2012 9:56 pm

Vote Count

Neb(6)- Skillfu, eldario, everywhere, cm5, mob, edoc
betiko(1)- cowboyz
dazza(1)- freezie
eldario(2)- Neb, yoshi
hippo(2)- sound, jonty
IB(1)- betiko
MoB(1)- hippo

With 24 alive, it takes 13 to lynch.

Deadline is midnight May 1st, PST. If no lynch is decided by then, the day will end in a no lynch.

by **Nebuchadnezer** on Fri Apr 20, 2012 9:57 pm

safariguy5 wrote:Vote Count

Neb(6)- Skillfu, eldario, everywhere, cm5, mob, edoc
betiko(1)- cowboyz
dazza(1)- freezie
eldario(2)- Neb, yoshi
hippo(2)- sound, jonty
IB(1)- betiko
MoB(1)- hippo

With 24 alive, it takes 13 to lynch.

Deadline is midnight May 1st, PST. If no lynch is decided by then, the day will end in a no lynch.

Eldario unvoted.

by **jak111** on Fri Apr 20, 2012 10:03 pm

safariguy5 wrote:Vote Count

Neb(6)- Skillfu, eldario, everywhere, cm5, mob, edoc
betiko(1)- cowboyz
dazza(1)- freezie
eldario(2)- Neb, yoshi
hippo(2)- sound, jonty
IB(1)- betiko
MoB(1)- hippo

With 24 alive, it takes 13 to lynch.

Deadline is midnight May 1st, PST. If no lynch is decided by then, the day will end in a no lynch.

3. jak111
5. Iron Butterfly
8. Leehar
9. skillfusniper33
12. Eldario
13. SPARTACUS1974
14. Djfireside
15. dazza2008
19. Roussallier replaced by Some7hingClever
21. shieldgenerator7
22. thechuck51
23. ghostly447

12 people not voting... Hmm, anyone think we should squeeze out one or two information spoils? I'd go with IB, Dazza, Betiko, or Eldario if anyone agrees on one of them to squeeze some info out, hmm?

by **DoomYoshi** on Sat Apr 21, 2012 12:11 am

Wow, I just noticed neb and I are on the same case. That is pretty ironic I thInk, it may be a case worth pursuing.

by **freezie** on Sat Apr 21, 2012 12:12 am

jak111 wrote:
safariguy5 wrote:Vote Count

Neb(6)- Skillfu, eldario, everywhere, cm5, mob, edoc
betiko(1)- cowboyz
dazza(1)- freezie
eldario(2)- Neb, yoshi
hippo(2)- sound, jonty
IB(1)- betiko
MoB(1)- hippo

With 24 alive, it takes 13 to lynch.

Deadline is midnight May 1st, PST. If no lynch is decided by then, the day will end in a no lynch.

3. jak111
5. Iron Butterfly
8. Leehar
9. skillfusniper33
12. Eldario
13. SPARTACUS1974
14. Djfireside
15. dazza2008
19. Roussallier replaced by Some7hingClever
21. shieldgenerator7
22. thechuck51
23. ghostly447

12 people not voting... Hmm, anyone think we should squeeze out one or two information spoils? I'd go with IB, Dazza, Betiko, or Eldario if anyone agrees on one of them to squeeze some info out, hmm?

All 4 people that are 'not voting' are actually speaking and voicing their thoughts. I see no reason to pressure them for 'not voting' when they are contributing. Especially since dazza clearly posted her itentions...

But I am still waiting on Neb's answer to my question, before I take another route.

by **jak111** on Sat Apr 21, 2012 12:36 am

That's why we can get info, if their active, they'll speak >:)

by **jonty125** on Sat Apr 21, 2012 1:03 am

jak111 wrote:That's why we can get info, if their active, they'll speak >:)

State the obvious. Anyhow, not all those who are on 'no vote' are inactive (like freezie said). So, what was this post trying to accomplish?

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