POTC Mafia Game Thread Day 7 Town Win! Premium goes to Sully

[nagerous]

Tails was already FOSed for making guiding comments towards who the cop should investigate, or did you skim and miss that? Who they investigate is their choice alone.

Was I FOS'ed in this game? I thought that was the Nolan game.

-Tails

You might be right, I didn't check, apologies.

[Mr. Squirrel]

I'm still getting huge scum vibes from strike, but we do need a lynch. If everyone else wants fircoal, I will lend my vote to his lynch too. He has been acting equally scummy

[VioIet]

Everyone who is scum should now post something in Pink, since that is an old Day 1 tradition!

Something.

Minor point but does anyone think someone is trying to be a bit too clever here?

I think he is saying that he misses Dazey.

However on day 2, I think i might try to make a case against Tails and Victor as scumbudies. No need to do it now. That vote count looks absolutely ridiculous, and we are so divided. I think the mafia are wisely trying to divide things- we can't blame it solely on town confusion. for instance, I have read about five posts from people saying "oh well we don't know about fir, but if people think he is the best lynch, we will change our vote"
Seriously already, I think it is more than clear that most want to lynch Fir- so it seems strange that a few players continue to waffle around.
The players that come to mind are edoc, commander, squirrel, victor, tails, anark
Commander always waffles by the way- especially when he is scum.


I would like to keep my vote on Fir- as he has not made another appearance in this thread yet. I'd rather keep people in the game who are active and willing to play. Technically Fir doesn't have enough votes on him yet to offer a claim, however he isn't doing anything to try to defend himself at this point. Also I do believe a Fircoal lynch will give us information to go on during Day 2.

Also for the record, I am not saying that we should continue to discuss other players- as these arguments will be crucial on Day 2- when people reread the thread and make new Day 2 cases. So continue to discuss, however continuing to be this divided is not going to get us very far.

[Falkomagno]

I agree with vio in the sense that there is no point to divide more the votes here. division will only lead us to a no lynch today, which can make D2 simply a D1 with a night kill.

Fircoal has been really suspicious, and his defense totally inexitent. Furthermore, he is not even present.. so, in order to achieve a meanigfull lynch, which can yield valuable information for D2, I will unvote Vote Fircoal

At least now is real pressure if he's still lurking, even though the time is running out.

[Anarkistsdream]

Are you really this upset, Mandalorian?

Being pissed off helps my process.

But truthfully, I never take my in-game emotions to the out-of-the-game context or vice versa ("Lynch Angel!" but nëver "Lynch Anarkistsdream!" (how the hell did i get an umlaut on that 'e'. My new keyboard is really weird )). So, while mandalorian2298 thinks that you are all nice people to spend your time on CC playing Mafia , while Game mandalorian thinks that, with few exceptions, you are all hopeless scullions who should take a stroll on the plank!

*grin*

Fair enough

[Commander9]

Does not compute.

I've made cases against Mandy and, in a smaller scale, Strike.

Who is your vote on? I couldn't find one. Also, please tell me who the favorite it is at the moment. Right now it's between Strike and Chu. I can't really split the town when there's already multiple cases. Who should I vote for Commie? Mandy because he hurt your feelings?

-Tails

4 players that I'd like to pressure the most are Mandy, Fir, Strike and Victor (in that order).

As the VC shown, it's on Mandy. Red part is showing my preferred lynches. And again, I've argued about Mandy and I'm not going to quote all of them.

Being pissed off helps my process.

But truthfully, I never take my in-game emotions to the out-of-the-game context or vice versa ("Lynch Angel!" but nëver "Lynch Anarkistsdream!" (how the hell did i get an umlaut on that 'e'. My new keyboard is really weird )). So, while mandalorian2298 thinks that you are all nice people to spend your time on CC playing Mafia , while Game mandalorian thinks that, with few exceptions, you are all hopeless scullions who should take a stroll on the plank!

Well, I don't think anyone is going to a personal level here. If I'd call someone an idiot, it would be the role performance that they're doing rather than that person. I've got nothing against and, in fact, you're my Eastern European brother (according to Haggis)

The players that come to mind are edoc, commander, squirrel, victor, tails, anark
Commander always waffles by the way- especially when he is scum.

I used google, but I'm still not completely sure what do you mean by waffling.

Also, without further ado, as I've seen the vote count, it's time to unvote, vote Fir to hopefully salvage something out.

[safariguy5]

Vote Count

Mandy(2)- Fircoal, freezie
Commander9(2)- mandy, edocsil
VioIet(1)- Mass Miracle
strike wolf(3)- Victor, pcm, Mr. S
Falkomagno(2)- streaker, Haggis
Fircoal(8)- nag, /, Vio, Sax, strike, iliad, falko, commander
Saxlad(1)- tails

With 21 alive, it takes 11 to lynch.

Deadline is in 1 day.

[edocsil]

Whatever, Fir it is, Unvote Vote Fir

[strike wolf]

It means that you are uncommital about who to vote and switch your opinion often.

[Anarkistsdream]

Commander, waffling means see-sawing... Going back and forth with ideas...

As for Fircoal, I said I'd vote him by tonight, and this is my last time on here until morning, so
Vote: Fircoal

[Commander9]

Unvote, because Fir is L-1.

Time to claim.

Commander, waffling means see-sawing... Going back and forth with ideas...

As for Fircoal, I said I'd vote him by tonight, and this is my last time on here until morning, so
Vote: Fircoal

I would actually say that I've been consistent... and I'm rather consistent in pretty much any game that I play. Almost the whole day 1 my vote has been on Manday and I've mainly argued for him, although, pressured by the deadline, I also said that there are others that I find scummy.

[Fircoal]

Hey guys before you guys do something stupid and do a speed hammar, I'm going to go and respond to a lot of posts and stuffs. >:U

[Commander9]

Hey guys before you guys do something stupid and do a speed hammar, I'm going to go and respond to a lot of posts and stuffs. >:U

No one is going to speed hammering, but while responding, we'd like you to claim as well.

[pancakemix]

Unvote, because Fir is L-1.

Time to claim.

Exactly why I didn't just throw my vote out there.

Hey guys before you guys do something stupid and do a speed hammar, I'm going to go and respond to a lot of posts and stuffs. >:U

K cool. Oh, and take your turn.

[safariguy5]

Vote Count

Mandy(2)- Fircoal, freezie
Commander9(1)- mandy
VioIet(1)- Mass Miracle
strike wolf(3)- Victor, pcm, Mr. S
Falkomagno(2)- streaker, Haggis
Fircoal(9)- nag, /, Vio, Sax, strike, iliad, falko, edocsil, nark
Saxlad(1)- tails

With 21 alive, it takes 11 to lynch.

Deadline is in 1 day.

[Commander9]

Hey guys before you guys do something stupid and do a speed hammar, I'm going to go and respond to a lot of posts and stuffs. >:U

Any news on this? I would kind of like to hear it before the deadline ends.

[safariguy5]

Deadline is in T-26 hours.

[Fircoal]

I don't see how jumping votes from inactive to inactive is helping town right now. It might work when there isn't a deadline, but with a few days left it will do more harm then good.

I get a feeling you arent really interested in a lynch, as you say you only vote the inactives to get them to posting. With that logic, we will end up with a no-lynch Day 1, and that is higly suspicious.

That's the best I see up until here, so i'll

Vote falko

I find that a bit ironic because unless my memory is failing me you’re one of the more non-commital voters this game.

M sleep deprived, will post tomorrow. Poker, chess and blogging about chess.

This dork blogs... Just kidding, Mandalorian!

No offense taken my friend. Also, it's kind of true, blogging does require a certain level of narcissism or an insane enthusiasm for a topic that most people find uninteresting. Check and check.

As for my observations thus far, I like Falkomagno posts, he seems to understand the game well. Also, I have no gripe with his vote against me, inactivity is a good argument for a Day 1 vote.

10. commander-probably the most erratic and scummy behavior of anyone thus far. Associated himself with victor by defending him and attacking any comments that seem to be made in disagreement to him. Accused mandy based on an inaccuracy that had already been said to be false by mandy and explained why it was false by someone else when he made his comment which makes his post seem like a purposeful mistranslation that he tried to use to his advantage. His behavior to me appears aggressive yet misdirected behavior more intent on shooting down certain theories especially those against him than really positively contribute to the game.

With all this being said I think our best strategy still goes to exploring the commander/victor connection or the vio/falko connection. seeing as I believe Vio already has more votes on her than commander and I believe that combined commander and victor appear more scummy than vio I will vote commander

Things that are wrong with this:

1. There is no connection to draw between Vic and Commander. It just isn't there, at least not based on the evidence we have.

2. What Mandy said about commander didn't make sense (and was also a metagame. There I go again)

3. If attacks are coming from all sides, I'd think aggression would be a natural reaction.

4. To say the cases on commander were more compelling than the one, say, Falko for example (one liners, skimming, etc.) is ridiculous. Weak though that case might be, I can't see anything really worth saying about commander atm.

I'm going to unvote vote strike

1. Yes there is, Commander overly defended Victor when he has been bandwagoned for inactivity.

2. This goes to all of you metagaming haters: on what would you base the Day 1 lynch? Voting records!? Also, if you play 10 games with someone and you notice that he or she has a scum-tell (for example, Wicked used to require further explanations for everything. *sniff* I miss Wicked. I hope is well again.) why wouldn't you use it to identify them as scum?

3. In other words, revenge voting is good? I don't agree.

4. This is total skimmer BS. I went through Falko's posts and I found nothing scummy, just well thought out posts.

Although I still think that Commander is being scummy, I will switch my vote to PCM. unvote vote PCM

The first of many posts that Mandy makes about Falko and how he finds him not to be scummy. However this is during the start of the Falko bandwagon and thusly there is reason to be talking about him. However he only puts in a couple of words, while he expands later.

Hello, hello! *the crowd cheers* Yes, yes, thank you, thank you! *cheering continues* Okay, settle down, people! *cheering still continues* SETTLE DOWN! *cheering halts abruptly*

What's this business with Falko? (Rhetorical question, just to clarify) From a fairness stance, I understand the reasoning behind the Falko bandwagon, but doesn't it have the same, if not, less justification as my bandwagon earlier? Are we really hunting scum, or are we just wanting a lynch? I will investigate further these fellows that have hopped onto this mode of transportation into Night 1 and get back to you all soon. My vote stays on strike wolf for now, his recent posts have not swayed me.

Sorry for the intermittent posting, I plan to get back on top of things soon, but I've got various CC and RL things going on right now, so it's hard to keep track of what all I'm involved in.

What I don’t like about this post is it’s very rhetorical. It seems to put something out there but in actuality it’s saying nothing. I mean I think we’re all used to Victor not posting anything relevant in the game, however I think this is the first time he’s actually trying to disguise it rather than throwing around half baked votes, or saying that he’ll catch up later.

Unvote Vote Falko I have seen worse D1 cases and we need to get some serious convo going on here if we want to be ready for night in 3 days.

Here Edoc bandwagons and adds nothing to the conversation. I think we’re going to see this again later in the day!

I must say I'm liking all the discussion so far...

I'm not really feeling the case of falko. He voted for some inactives, and is "skimming" (I missed this part). I would be more interested in hearing from Iliad, Mass Miracle, etc., than the case of falko.

I'm also curious as to why mandy voted for pcm. Was it for his defense of Commie?

-Tails

You like it yet you don’t further it? I mean everything you said is really simple and easy to say and you’re not really putting your neck out there or trying hard.

quote="Mr. Squirrel"]

I guess it's possible yeah but I came into this game with a clear idea of how I wanted to act and the reaction I wanted from it. At this point I'm not completely disappointed with the levels of discussion its received

This quote strikes me as the worst I have seen yet and it has gone wholly unrecognized. Strike is admitting that he has planned out his actions and reactions in this game yet no one thought anything of it. Scum factions are the only ones that can "come into this game" with any sort of plan because they already know who they should and shouldn't target. Townies don't know the roles of others and are more reactionary, as they should be. From very early on, strike has been hounding commander and finding tells that are sometimes accurate but most of the time weak. Frankly, I understand why commander is upset with him. [/quote]

I must say I am too a bit confused as to why Strike said that. Personally I feel Strike is playing a bit odd in general as if he wants to be on everyone’s wagon.

I guess it's possible yeah but I came into this game with a clear idea of how I wanted to act and the reaction I wanted from it. At this point I'm not completely disappointed with the levels of discussion its received

This quote strikes me as the worst I have seen yet and it has gone wholly unrecognized. Strike is admitting that he has planned out his actions and reactions in this game yet no one thought anything of it. Scum factions are the only ones that can "come into this game" with any sort of plan because they already know who they should and shouldn't target. Townies don't know the roles of others and are more reactionary, as they should be. From very early on, strike has been hounding commander and finding tells that are sometimes accurate but most of the time weak. Frankly, I understand why commander is upset with him.

I wouldn't say that I have a full blown plan. I had an idea of how I wanted to act and I decided to act in a way I believed would inspire discussion. Maybe not the direction I had hoped...

How vague of you. Honestly I think the vague words are just you trying to hide what you really mean by the statement. Which I am still curious too.

Sorry for not being that active, it's mainly due to being pretty busy with my a sporting thing at my school that culminates on saturday.

I've been quite interested in who sides with whom, as that will probably be important. People I've found somewhat scummy.
Fircoal-excused his inactivity with some poor metagame logic, almost as if he plans on being inactive for the rest of the game. So only been defensive and hasn't really tried helping town. Also basically tried to shut down all discussion happening by decrying it all as metagame and futile.

Commander-haven't found him that scummy, however the way in the really agressive way he tries to shut down discussion about him is somewhat scummy.

Falkomagno-His rather erratic posting has seen him escalate from somewhat scummy to quite a nice day 1 lynch. unvote vote falko.

Note that the above 3 are all voting on mandy.

Vio-basically the same as what I wrote in my last post-doesn't seem that inerested in actually helping town, but falko makes a better lynch and deadline is approaching.

Just a few things I want to point out- while the deadline is approaching 3 dayys is till plenty and we shouldn't try to lynch as fast as we possibly can. 3 days can be enough for a day and plenty of discussion.
Also I'm noticing a lot of metagame discussion, even developing to sax joking about voting / because he's been mafia godfather recently. Metagame reasons shouldn't be used for attacking someone or defending yourself, discussion gets very off-track that way.
Secondly teh

This is Illy’s second post and I must say it’s very interesting in the fact of how much he lets himself show that he’s skimming and not really paying attention. First off all he jumps on the main bandwagon something that everyone is doing at the time. Second off the three people that he fingers seem to me more picked for the reason that they all voted Mandy than anything else. There seems to be a lack of logic behind his choices. While all three of us have been big names in the thread I don’t see how he’d happen to pick all three that are voting Mandy unless he meant to. Furthermore, he gets my case wrong as I wasn’t arguing against metagaming I was arguing for it! And he also forgets/doesn’t care to note that I was voting Mandy from MY FIRST VOTE, which was a joke vote. That means his whole look they’re all voting Mandy comparison really just seems made just so it can be made. Likely he wants Mandy to look town. I wonder why he’d want that.

I'm actually starting to be a lot more suspicious of fircoal. It seems like whilst he is posting actively in other games he is deliberately submarining and laying low in this particular one. This makes his metagame logic posted even more flawed.

I would actually make him my number one suspect now because of this behaviour but the falko wagon seems to be going strong right now so I am going to keep my vote on him.

Naggy you know me very well. And I’m sure you know how lazy I am. The fact that this statement is coming from you just makes me suspicious. I think you’d know my situation better than anyone else in the thread. You know what I’m like. Does this really seem that abnormal to you? Because the answer is no. I think you’re trying to start up shit. And shit you did start up.

Concerning the Falko wagon, unless he does something actually scummy, I do not plan to vote for him during Day 1. I am ready to support PCM's, Commander's or, based on Nag's last post, even Fircoal's lynch, but not Falko's.

Unvote vote Commander, since no one is sharing my suspicion towards PCM.

Another mention of Mandy defending Falko. Also I don’t really think Commander is that much of a vote getter either (as shown later). However that doesn’t stop Mandy from keeping his vote on him. In fact he refuses to vote for me later in the thread and stays on Commander. This seems suspicious that he’d change it in one instance but not another.

I am growing interested in whether a few of the stray inactive voters are inactive or strategically not contributing to current matters.
I seem to recall fircoal ducking out close to deadline a few times when the deadline closed in and he was on the spot, oh sorry right, noting anything relevant that ever happened in the history of CC before Mar 17, 2011 in this thread seems to aggravate some players.

I suppose I will go back to my first case for the deadline, while I agree with falko's sentiment that inactives need some pressure from time to time, I cannot agree with his statement that a day one solely used to out inactives is the best course of action for town, it seems like wasting time stifling pro-town information and discussion on a game of follow the leader that the mod can largely handle.

Voting is the power of the town. Is the way to see the reaction of players......

Now it seems little weird that people go rather for the mos actives players, or for player who raised questions, rather than going for the inactives, which in day one is rather unfair. I will always go for an inactive player than for an active one, at least in day one. [/b]

If we are looking for a reaction, what is the problem with seeking one from a person that is, you know, reacting?

Unvote vote falko

Yes I did, but my win in that game was hopeless. However in this game it is far from hopeless. I didn’t do anything because it wouldn’t be worth the time, even if I was able to save myself for a while, I’d be found out in the end and killed. Too many days were left.

Commander-haven't found him that scummy, however the way in the really agressive way he tries to shut down discussion about him is somewhat scummy.

So you shouldn't defended and announce if someone is misusing logic and is trying to lynch you? I don't mind discussions, but that was just an attack blindfolded.

Commander has a point. His mention by Illy, even says he isn’t found that scummy and seems to only skim the issue. As I said earlier I think he was only put there to support his the scum vote Mandy note. It’s all just made up to look good.

Commander, you say that you are attacking the misuse of logic and what I have been saying is that that has only seemed to applied when it is against attacks directed at you and often those attacks have been based on your own misunderstandings (intentional or accidental) yet you have been lax on them when it is not you who's been accused based on false logic.

As far as falko. I believe he is actually L-2.

Mandy I don't really understand your viewpoint on tghe falko wagon. So you don't think that falko is scummy? Why?

I don’t think he ever responds to this comment. I think he’s just trying to defend Falko as much as possible without saying the good things that he does. Mandy just prefers to speak in vague terms.

Commander, you say that you are attacking the misuse of logic and what I have been saying is that that has only seemed to applied when it is against attacks directed at you and often those attacks have been based on your own misunderstandings (intentional or accidental) yet you have been lax on them when it is not you who's been accused based on false logic.

As far as falko. I believe he is actually L-2.

Mandy I don't really understand your viewpoint on tghe falko wagon. So you don't think that falko is scummy? Why?

Lovers? Although I believe Mandy is too smart to defend that way, it would be too obvious.

1) How is it obvious?
2) How does that comment add to the conversation besides just being there?

Claim Then.

Who or what are you?

MORE WORTHLESS WORDS! LOOK GUYS! I’M NAWT SCUMMARINING! REALLY! I’M NAWT!

First of all unvote. Though likr fir id like some elaboration if you don't think it will hurt. I think he controls the action but can't tell for sure from that post.

Secondly, I'm getting tired of repeating myself with people apparently overlooking what I've said, so don't expect me to repeat what I'm saying in this paragraph. @squirrel: I had been interested in falko long before I voted him. A quick read through the thread will show I made several comments on him and found him highly suspicious. I changed my vote on him because A. I couldn't convince people about commander and with deadline cvlosing in I was hurting town more than helping town by sticking with a vote that I did not feel would produce enough information beyond what it already had to be of use to town. B. Deadline was closing in, town needed a legitimate wagon with enough time to back off and make th next move. C. I was already suspicious of falko enough to vote him.

Third, commander the comment about false information was aimed at what victor did. The part about your response had nothing to do with any defense or attack on victor for inactivity it had to do with your lack of response to him posting false information despite how aggressively you've gone after others for similar reasons.

That claim is pretty ballsy if it's false. I'm inclined to believe it unless someone has a counterclaim. But I'm with Chu, I'd like some clarification on the nature of these swords.

Wait? So you mean that I’m nawt the only one that wanted to hear about these swords? You mean enough people wanted to know that the next two people after me asked right away and no one complained? Cause that’s what happened. Now everyone that is talking about how I was trying gather unneeded info for the town can take that argument and shove it up their ass. Cause that’s obviously where it came from.

Ok, I will claim. I'm William Turner, town swordsmith. I'm lover with Elizabeth Swann, which will die if I die. I let you to determine who is Elizabeth, even if is pretty obvious. I can make swords, which have 2 actions.

So, let your heart decide then.

Does that mean that you let people do another one of their actions, or the swords have an action in themselves?

I assume it is like a gunsmith, gives someone a single NK. Could be perm, but that would be quite overpowered. We have 2 days, if I thought we could reasonably sort out the benefits and costs of lynching mandy in that short a timeframe I would pursue that lead, but that is something that would take more then 2 days to do properly.

You know he said what it did RIGHT ABOVE YOU. You don’t have to speculate right under. However I think you’re saying that so you have words to say. Also I find it funny how you seem so up to lynch Mandy right now, but you’re not sure if there’s enough time or support to do it. Later your vote seems to go with Mandy. I wonder what caused the sudden shift.

Sorry for the inactivity...a combination of life catching up with me and my inexperience with this game. I am at a loss as most of you are referencing how others play in prior games, I do not have that experience. It seems that the first important thing that has happened is Falko claiming, I tend to believe him. To me all the posturing before anything happens is irrelevant. Seems strange to have a lynch before day 1, but what do I know.

Anyway I will start throwing my two cents in a little bit more starting on Friday...one more day of craziness.

Hello there noob. I’m not sure if you’re aware of how noobs play. Usually they’re excited to get into the game and make a lot of noob mistakes over and over again trying to find out how to do it right. Then they lurk afraid of being called out as scum. However noobs don’t usually resort to lurking as their first strat. You did. And personally I find that suspicious.

Sorry for the inactivity...a combination of life catching up with me and my inexperience with this game. I am at a loss as most of you are referencing how others play in prior games, I do not have that experience. It seems that the first important thing that has happened is Falko claiming, I tend to believe him. To me all the posturing before anything happens is irrelevant. Seems strange to have a lynch before day 1, but what do I know.

Anyway I will start throwing my two cents in a little bit more starting on Friday...one more day of craziness.

^^That is another reason not to metagame.

And you just wanna lose the game?

Ok, I will claim. I'm William Turner, town swordsmith. I'm lover with Elizabeth Swann, which will die if I die. I let you to determine who is Elizabeth, even if is pretty obvious. I can make swords, which have 2 actions.

So, let your heart decide then.

Does that mean that you let people do another one of their actions, or the swords have an action in themselves?

Unvote vote fircoal - excess information was not required at this moment in time, the name claim was perfectly sufficient. All that knowing the extra information did at this stage of the game was give scum information for the night as per how this particular role would work. He didn't need to share that much. The fact that you only show up after a period of inactivity to press the guy who claimed William Turner is major scummy in my eyes, coupled with the weak defence that you were inactive accross all mafia games, which just isn't true, instead you're trying to scumarine through this day 1.

Hey I WAS inactive during that time. Nice try to make it look like I lied but I never did so. I never claimed I was inactive in other games when I wasn’t. I never said anything about the subject. I will say now that I was active in other games while I was inactive here. I’m not denying it. However, you’re trying to make it look like I am. Also you didn’t mention the other two people who seemed to wanted that information too. That thing I said about argument from up the ass a page ago? WELL IT APPLIES TO YOU!

Ok, I will claim. I'm William Turner, town swordsmith. I'm lover with Elizabeth Swann, which will die if I die. I let you to determine who is Elizabeth, even if is pretty obvious. I can make swords, which have 2 actions.

So, let your heart decide then.

I'm pretty sure this is a true claim. Unless someone will counterclaim, I'd recommend the doctor protecting both him and Elizabeth (I think it's rather obvious who has this role). If we want to lynch someone, we better hurry. I'd strongly advise to go with Mandy, but I'd be fine with Strike or one of the scummariners (Victor).

He recommends that Doctor protects two people... Useful, isn't he. Belay that Doc. Protect Elizabeth. If there is a Watcher in the game (and in a naval game there should be someone with a looking glass in hand) WATCH Falko. Either scum don't make a move in which case we keep our proven townie or they make a move and we get walk one of their of the plank.

Well...yea..Unvote


I don't think you would go really far with that claim if it was fake. So I am inclined to say it's true.

I think I'Ll go with the second best choice I had in mind then..Vote: Mandy

Wasn't as heratic as Falko was, and I may not have said a word yet on him..but never too late for that

Yeah, shame on me not wanting to bandwagon one of the most useful players in the game for a sake of...hell, I still don't know what you bunch of haring hoped to achieve. Also, I am a way bigger heretic then Falko is, so I really don't know what you're talking about there.

Anyway, dear townies, I hate to sound like a broken record from Buffy, but still: Deadline is a approaching. Grow a brain. Lynch Commander and be lively about it.

Here’s our third Mandy quote from page 17 and his third reference of Falko being town. I don’t know but I think he’s trying to make a meme out of it. Also I’m very suspious of the latter part of the quote. It sounds like he’s trying to make an appeal to the fact that he was able to win Buffy with his cunning. By bringing up that game he plants in our minds a picture of a game that he won for the town. He’s probably trying to use this to sway our opinions into thinking that he’s like that in this game too, and thusly follow him.

For reference Mandy actually makes a post not mentioning Falko! O.O (Although it doesn’t have really much game related stuff):

He recommends that Doctor protects two people... Useful, isn't he. Belay that Doc. Protect Elizabeth. If there is a Watcher in the game (and in a naval game there should be someone with a looking glass in hand) WATCH Falko. Either scum don't make a move in which case we keep our proven townie or they make a move and we get walk one of their of the plank.

Yes, shame on me for suggesting to protect 2 very important town roles. Besides, as long as scum would think that they're protected, they'd be less likely to target them, but you of course don't want that.

As long as scum are stupid enough to believe that Doc can protect 2 people, then this should win us the game: Everyone who is scum should now post something in Pink, since that is an old Day 1 tradition!

Anyway, dear townies, I hate to sound like a broken record from Buffy, but still: Deadline is a approaching. Grow a brain. Lynch Commander and be lively about it.

That's the problem with you - you are absolutely incapable of getting out of tunnel vision: you have seen something once and it becomes an axiom. I'm sorry to say this, but you are just not capable of thinking outside the box, which, considering what I've heard about you, is very sad.

A proven theorem, actually.

Something.

No seriously I will post something tomorrow after class. Initially I'm in agreement w/ whoever pointed out that the extra information from falko was unnecessary. FOS Strike and Chu.

-Tails

Not posting much again, are ya? Btw nice easy people to fos, you must really be sticking your neck out there.

Hmmm, agreed, the least info a confirmed townie needs to give, the better in most cases... FOS PCM, strike
That with fir not responding to much that has been raised against him make for a fair case.
Unvote vote fircoal

You’ve only done a good 10 posts or so and most of all the later ones seem to be focused on the same thing, the fact that I’m not posting. Look I know bringing up that I’m not posting is an easy thing to do, but I’m sure that you can do more than just that. And I noticed that you voted Falko but pretty much the whole time you were looking at me. Makes me suspicious.

Deadline is approaching and instead of discussion intensifying in order to avoid a No Lynch, everyone is off sulking because their bandwagon turned out to be against a pro-town role.

Oh look Mandy is showing argovation against the town. And he mentions Falko’s pro-townness again. MEME HERE WE COME!

vote fircoal - excess information was not required at this moment in time, the name claim was perfectly sufficient. All that knowing the extra information did at this stage of the game was give scum information for the night as per how this particular role would work. He didn't need to share that much. The fact that you only show up after a period of inactivity to press the guy who claimed William Turner is major scummy in my eyes, coupled with the weak defence that you were inactive accross all mafia games, which just isn't true, instead you're trying to scumarine through this day 1.

Naggy brings up a good point, and for this reason, I will also join the Fir bandwagon. My prior vote was on commander for his hostility, but his actions since the claim have been very pro-town. He has been reading these thread very well, and I see no reason to pressure him anymore at this point. I feel a bit bad about the Fircoal wagon becuase it does feel a tad bit rushed. I do think Fir is scummy though. I do wish Falko had chosen not to answer that question- but Falko was doing what he could to save the lives of two people.

I think it would be good for the deadline to be extended. There is always a chance that Fir's lynch doesn't quite pan out the way people want.

Unvote
Vote Fir

I find this very suspicious. I’m not sure if I’ve ever seen Vio think that Commander’s pro-town before (or even worse me for that matter (not like this game is any different in that regard though >W>)). While she did say something about me earlier, I do find it quite odd that she seemed to stop cold turkey until just now. In all of the other games I’ve been in with her she’s been constantly picking on me and suspecting me. The fact that in this game she only does it when the pressure is high on me, makes me very suspicious that she’s not really as suspicious of me as she’d like to claim she is. I kinda find it hard for someone who usually as so big of tunnel vision to suddenly be ditching it. ;3

Several people have been voting the most odd players.

Why are you all totally spreading out votes? Look at the vote count. Of the people who have several votes on them, certainly someone jumps out as scummier than the rest. Vote that person. If none of the people on that list look scummy, then make a case that encourages more of us to get on board. These weak ass votes being throw to and fro do not make me want to vote for anyone in particular.

Unvote

I will follow Mandy on this one, Vote Commander.

GOLDEN POST TIME! Remember back earlier in this long post (as of currently in word it just got onto its 13th page) when Edoc was talking about the possibility of a Mandy lynch. And not even a day later he does a TOTAL 180 and changes from being against Mandy to go with Mandy. And what does he provide for this huge shift. ABSO-FUCKING-LUTELY NOTHING! Look I’ve seen people shift votes before but I don’t think I’ve seen anything so radical of a shift in such a short time with no reason at all. And remember this is Edoc, he isn’t the type of person who is just going to go along with things without putting thought into it. Look at the c9 with his defense of Cena. He was adamant to go with what he thought. What is he doing this game? Going with the flow not saying much of anything at all. Personally there are a FUCKTON of scummy things in this thread, but I think this may easily take the cake. And yet no one noticed it. That’s because Edoc is saying so low he’s on the ground. He wants to be on the ground. That’s his whole game plan.

Reading through I think nagerous and Vi have a point on the fircoal wagon. For him to come and attack falko for more info, when it wasnt needed is just plain downright scummy...

vote fircoal

And here’s Saxlad with another bandwagon vote with not much said besides what everyone else has been saying. Here’s to risky behavior!

Now come on thats really not fair. The only reason i was lynched in PB was because I didnt know role flavours. I know POTC, and Im not going to be doing that again.

[/b]unvote vote falco[/b] for being an donkey.

OMGUS

=D>

Oh and nark, by the way thats whats called a Joke omgus vote.

unvote falko

To be honest I have no idea who to vote, everyone seems to be playing very tightly, probably the premium prize available. However it might be worth seeing who the inactives are and why they are inactive at this stage.

Justification.

Can I vote / because he's been Mafia Godfather in the past two games ive been in or is that taking it too far?

At this point in the game (pg 16) this seems out of place.

Commander, you say that you are attacking the misuse of logic and what I have been saying is that that has only seemed to applied when it is against attacks directed at you and often those attacks have been based on your own misunderstandings (intentional or accidental) yet you have been lax on them when it is not you who's been accused based on false logic.

As far as falko. I believe he is actually L-2.

Mandy I don't really understand your viewpoint on tghe falko wagon. So you don't think that falko is scummy? Why?

Lovers? Although I believe Mandy is too smart to defend that way, it would be too obvious.

Attempts to add to the discussion.

Claim Then.

Who or what are you?

Wants the claim from falko, even though he wasn't on the wagon on that point, and did nothing for the "case," however he had voted falko ealier and then unvoted when called on it. Strange.

Reading through I think nagerous and Vi have a point on the fircoal wagon. For him to come and attack falko for more info, when it wasnt needed is just plain downright scummy...

vote fircoal

This is the one that caught my attention. So far he hasn't added much, and then all of a sudden hops on the fircoal wagon right before deadline, using the "he wanted too much info" that has been spoken by a couple of people.

I know that right before deadline this probably won't amount to much, but unvote vote Sax. At the very least, he should be looked at tomorrow.

-Tails

Yes I know that Sax has been doing nothing this whole game but posting one liners that don’t contribute and just go with the flow. But please tell me Tails, what have you done that is different? Because the way I see it, you’ve been doing the same thing that Sax has, and yet you call it out to attention on your more useful post. I find this scummy of you. ;3

Reading through I think nagerous and Vi have a point on the fircoal wagon. For him to come and attack falko for more info, when it wasnt needed is just plain downright scummy...

vote fircoal

This is the one that caught my attention. So far he hasn't added much, and then all of a sudden hops on the fircoal wagon right before deadline, using the "he wanted too much info" that has been spoken by a couple of people.

I know that right before deadline this probably won't amount to much, but unvote vote Sax. At the very least, he should be looked at tomorrow.

-Tails

Out of interest what reasoning would you expect him to use? Fircoal has laid low, and only posts to fish information out about the role flavour of one of the key roles. Your logic for voting him on this point doesn't make sense. A lynch is preferable to no lynch we all know that so I don't see the harm in the fact that he would join the bandwagon at this stage when time is running out.

Hey Naggy I like how you’re so focused on me that you can’t see the valid cases on other people. I mean it’s not like I’m that worse than Saxlad. I’m just being lazy, at least I’m not pretending that I’m discussing in the game when I’m nawt.

Reading through I think nagerous and Vi have a point on the fircoal wagon. For him to come and attack falko for more info, when it wasnt needed is just plain downright scummy...

vote fircoal

This is the one that caught my attention. So far he hasn't added much, and then all of a sudden hops on the fircoal wagon right before deadline, using the "he wanted too much info" that has been spoken by a couple of people.

I know that right before deadline this probably won't amount to much, but unvote vote Sax. At the very least, he should be looked at tomorrow.

-Tails

Out of interest what reasoning would you expect him to use? Fircoal has laid low, and only posts to fish information out about the role flavour of one of the key roles. Your logic for voting him on this point doesn't make sense. A lynch is preferable to no lynch we all know that so I don't see the harm in the fact that he would join the bandwagon at this stage when time is running out.

I agree with you. I merely pointed out that for a player who has done almost nothing, to suddenly BW on the latest suspect was scummy. In essence he's doing the same thing chu is doing.

-Tails

And what you’ve been doing too.

@ Deadline

4 players that I'd like to pressure the most are Mandy, Fir, Strike and Victor (in that order).

And yet your posts seem to be mainly against Mandy and Strike. I’m not sure where you’ve put in your suspicion of Victor or me.

Thanks for a vote of support Edocsil, it makes me feel all warm and fuzzy.

2. Mandy also to me looks like a very valid lynch. I'd like to apologize in part because I feel I was too quick in writing off his theory as justr mandy-esque because it seems to feed into a series of odd statements which make me feel he has a oddly good grip on both this game's mechanics and who is town. I feel at the very least an investigative role should take a look at him tonight.

Well, now at least can understand the Falko bandwagon. It seems to me that knowing what the f*ck I'm doing is a capital crime in this game.

Apparently, again, it will take a losing a bunch of townies without reply for anyone to start listening to me. Let me make myself clear here, I don't claim that I have a 100% sure case against Commander, I am saying that he is a good Day 1 lynch. PCM would be my second choice and any of the submarriners the evil that would be necessary WERE THERE NOT FOR THE FIRST TWO CHOICES. I would also like to repeat that Falko bandwagon was idiotic and anyone who had take the time to check out all of his posts in this thread would have to conclude, not that he is TOWN, but that he gave no sign of being scum.

I am officially washing my hands of Day 1. Lynch whoever you want (or, more likely waste the remaining day and achieve No lynch). Lynch Fircoal for him being busy and all of you being to lazy to actually search for scum. I don't care. When the Town gets beaten badly enough and you guys decide that it would be nice to lynch some scum for a change, let me know.

WATCHER, on the off chance that you are one of the few players who actually intend to do something for Town, I suggest you watch Falko. If not watch the clouds in the sky, I don't care.

And here Mandy continues his Falko fetish. Again I think Mandy acting mad like this seems to be more of a setup to appeal to us. Mandy is trying to manipulate us to go with his voting. By blowing up at us, it makes us more likely to consider what he did and his side of the case. A few of us could become blinded because we thought we hurt him or something and follow him. In short, it’s a TARP!

Perhaps you'd defend him (even though logically he was kind of asking for it) because you know he'd turn up town so you could this?

Ironic.

-Tails

Unneeded

Perhaps you'd defend him (even though logically he was kind of asking for it) because you know he'd turn up town so you could this?

Ironic.

-Tails

My vote has absolutely nothing to do with earlier resentments Com. Take it as flattery. A player who I respect (but assume ins fking crazy) thinks you are a good lynch. We don't have the time to build another case, and I don't like the idea of a Fir lynch, so we go with the best we can get.

Oh hey Edoc posts more than 1 line! And it’s not that game related! Looking like you’re doing stuff when you’re not at its finest.

Ironic.

-Tails

Yes, yes it is. It's still true, however.

By any chance you'd want to contribute something more?

Well considering how I've got a case on Sax, no. How about you add your thoughts to that?

-Tails

In which all of the stuff you busted him for you were basically doing also. It’s nice of you to post back to that though. I know you don’t want to actually further the discussion so you’ll stick to your one, while valid, hypocritical lead that you pointed out.

Tails brought up some good points about TheSaxlad, and I think he's worth investigating tonight, if anyone's a cop or cop-like character, but it's kind of late at this point, and I still am rather fond of lynching strike wolf... (I told you the Falko lynch was bad!...sorta)

Just out of curiosity, would the British be the mafia? And how would Norrington and Barbosa be aligned? I guess it kind of depends on the movie... And what of Davy Jones? Could he be mafia? Or would he be something else? Bah, I suppose we can figure that out later, but it's been troubling me.

Hey Victor, that barely even scratched the surface of the case. You only picked out the case that NO ONE was talking about, and you decide to bring up role stuff which is a BIG NO-NO. If you wanna know why please look at Matrix Mafia… And then hit Saxlad with a cane. However I bet none of that really even matters cause I think this post was made to make a post rather than anything else. LOOK I’M POSTING GUYS!

I've already shared my thoughts about other cases and I honestly think that there are much better lynches than Sax and there's no way we can get enough people for him, so I am thinking you are trying to split the town.

Does not compute.

Who is your vote on? I couldn't find one. Also, please tell me who the favorite it is at the moment. Right now it's between Strike and Chu. I can't really split the town when there's already multiple cases. Who should I vote for Commie? Mandy because he hurt your feelings?

-Tails

You know Commie went down his list of suspicion only a couple of pages ago. I think this proves that you’re skimming. Nice try, the Sax case may be valid but it’s just screaming that you’re bringing it up to try to stop real discussion and not let anyone know that you don’t know anything about what’s been being talked about this whole game.

Are you really this upset, Mandalorian?

Being pissed off helps my process.

But truthfully, I never take my in-game emotions to the out-of-the-game context or vice versa ("Lynch Angel!" but nëver "Lynch Anarkistsdream!" (how the hell did i get an umlaut on that 'e'. My new keyboard is really weird )). So, while mandalorian2298 thinks that you are all nice people to spend your time on CC playing Mafia , while Game mandalorian thinks that, with few exceptions, you are all hopeless scullions who should take a stroll on the plank!

Again the barely related game posts are the only ones that Mandy seems to not let his Falko fetish show. I wonder why. ;3

I must apologise for bandwagoning, but we do ned a lynch, fircoal has been acting erratically, which I already have outlined and vote fir

NO YOU DIDN’T OUTLINE IT! YOUR POINTS WEREN’T EVEN VALID! Your vote really is nothing more than a bandwagon vote which is the EXACT same thing that you did earlier. It’s clear that you’re skimming the whole game, and that you’re trying to look like you’re active (which you’re struggling at).

Tails brought up some good points about TheSaxlad, and I think he's worth investigating tonight, if anyone's a cop or cop-like character, but it's kind of late at this point, and I still am rather fond of lynching strike wolf... (I told you the Falko lynch was bad!...sorta)
.

Tails was already FOSed for making guiding comments towards who the cop should investigate, or did you skim and miss that? Who they investigate is their choice alone.

Everyone who is scum should now post something in Pink, since that is an old Day 1 tradition!

Something.

Minor point but does anyone think someone is trying to be a bit too clever here?

No

Whatever, Fir it is, Unvote Vote Fir

Just more bandwagoning from you without any real reason behind it. This is really unlike you. You’re even doing less than Sax and Tails who both are trying hard to look like they’re being active.

Bandwagon Vote Counts:

Fircoal:

Vote Count

Mandy(2)- Fircoal, freezie
Commander9(2)- mandy,
VioIet(1)- Mass Miracle
strike wolf(3)- Victor, pcm, Mr. S
Falkomagno(2)- streaker, Haggis
Fircoal(10)- nag, /, Vio, Sax, strike, iliad, falko, commander, edocsil, Nark
Saxlad(1)- tails

With 21 alive, it takes 11 to lynch.

Falko:

Vote Count

Mandy(2)- Fircoal, Commander
Commander9(3)- VioIet, tails, mandy
VioIet(1)- Mass Miracle
strike wolf(4)- Victor, pcm, Mr. S, falko
Falkomagno(9)- Nark, streaker, Haggis, nagerous, edocsil, freezie, strike wolf, iliad, /

With 21 alive, it takes 11 to lynch.

Common Names: Nark, /, Nag, Strike, Illy, Edoc (6)

6 names have been on both bandwagons.
5 of them I would say look scummy to me.

Anyway in conclusion of all this data I FOS: mandalorian2298, Iliad, nagerous, Commander9, TA1LGUNN3R, /, TheSaxlad, Victor Sullivan, Mass Miracle, VioIet, and strike wolf in order of scumminess. And the scummiest of all I Unvote, Vote: Edocsil

Edoc has been hanging too low this whole game. He hasn’t been posting more than one line and has been hopping his vote around like mad. He’s not the type to just sit back and let everyone discuss like he’s doing in this game. It’s weird for him to not be right up there in the convo. But yet that is what he’s doing.

Anyway to end this whole long over 20 page in Microsoft Word Post I would like to say this, a lot of the reasons that I was being voted for was because I was inactive, and my favorite part of this post is this. Look at what I just did. Rocked out 20 pages, spent a good 2 hours and a half looking through this thread and finding all of the scummy shit that you guys did. This probably has to be somewhere along the lines of one of the longest mafia posts that’s ever been made. You’ve been claiming this whole time that I haven’t been participating in the discussion and just chilling out maxing all cool, playing B-ball outside of school. Well guess what. YOU CAN’T ANYMORE. I’ve just exceeded the amount of discussion/work that a good half of you have done in this thread. No I haven’t posted or none as much as Commander or Strike but there’s a good lot of you that I have, especially those like Illy, Tails, Sax, Victor, Mass, /, Haggis, Freezie. (Look a good 8 amount of people.) A lot of votes were due to that fact that I did nothing. Well look it, I just did a whole fuckton. You want discussions? You got some! I may have done some weird stuff this game but if you look at all of the stuffs that I pointed out you can see what I did is more minor in comparison. This case basically is one of being a lurker/submariner. But guess what? THAT IS GONE. This is Day 1 and in the end an inactive is usually lynched. You can’t call me that anymore. I’ve now put in much more than quite a bit of others here. So please unvote me and godspeed.

I am Captain Teague, and I approve of this message.

[Fircoal]

Hey guys before you guys do something stupid and do a speed hammar, I'm going to go and respond to a lot of posts and stuffs. >:U

Any news on this? I would kind of like to hear it before the deadline ends.

Done and posted. I'm sure after you're done reading it all you'll understand why it took so long. x3

[Commander9]

WTF? You've got to be kidding...

[Fircoal]

WTF? You've got to be kidding...

There is no joke here >:3

[Fircoal]

Also I forgot to mention I do believe that MAndy is trying to do with Falko what he accused Commander of doing with Victor. It sounds totally like a Mandy move to accuse someone and then do the move himself. again IT'S A TARP!

[Commander9]

I most likely won't finish reading this tonight (as it's late and I've got lectures incoming), but I found it as a really good point when Fir said that Edoc finds Mandy worthy of a lynch before and then afterwards just switches his posts 180. Definitely worth noting.

Pointing out that Illy has picked 3 people that all voted on Mandy is also interesting, but I'll need to re-read to have more thoughts on this.

[Commander9]

Okay, I've actually read the whole thing... My first thought - to you, Fir. I just wish you'd actually do this more often. Your role claim is a rather sparse one, but considering the experience of this game so far, I will believe that.

As far as addressing your thoughts, here's a couple (I won't quote, because it would be a pain to find it):

1) When I mentioned my Top 4 (Mandy, Strike, Victor and you in that order), you are right that the top 2 were my main ones through out the day. I defended Victor first, but after seeing him not being replaced, continuing to scummaring and not contributing, at this moment I am totally fine with his lynch. As far as your lynch goes, I've seen you being inactive and being scum, but I''ve also seen it as vice versa - my main thought was that I saw that people would be afraid/reluctant to vote Mandy or Strike and I've wanted some discussions/participation and your BW seemed to provide, so I thought I might as well to try and get some information.

2) I have got to say that before you pointed it out, I did find Edoc a bit scummy, but not above his normal level. However, your mention about his 180 degree turn is something that I've missed and I'm not proud off. This is a very good notice and I actually would place Edoc just below Mandy for this.

3) Mandy has always been the main scumster for me and as I've pointed out before (and you did in your post), he's manipulating and doing the same things that he accused me off doing. We all know that he's highly manipulative and fully capable of doing as we've both said, he's trying to gain credibility with Falco's lynch (as he was sure that he'd not be scum, even Falco was acting scummy).

4) Vio's not any more suspicious than usual. We both know that she has been FoS'ing and going after us in pretty much every game (ironically, one game where she didn't do that, I turned out to be scum (Buffy)). I'm quite sure that she's not something worth pursuing at all at this moment (especially with Mandy, Edoc and Strike out there).

5) I also somewhat agree with you on Sax, Victor and TG and I would be shocked if they won't be our BW at Day 2. Out of the 3, I think TG would be by far the best choice, but I've got a feeling it won't be him.

I'd really love to leave some more thoughts (loving this post), but got lectures in just a bit more than 7 hours and I really need my beauty sleep (which I'm not getting at all recently). In short summary, I'd say I'm buying what Fir said both with roleclaim and his post (well, most of it anyways), and I'd like to say that while I probably will not make it until tomorrow, I'd would highly suggest that people go through Mandy, Edoc and Strike.

[TA1LGUNN3R]

Does not compute.

I've made cases against Mandy and, in a smaller scale, Strike.

That's not what I meant. I meant that you have yet to say anything about my case on Sax, and you attempted to justify it with "I've already spoken about other cases." That has nothing to do with my case. Tell me it's a shitty case, I don't care, but it seems weird that you would talk plenty about others and yet refuse to say anything about mine.

As the VC shown, it's on Mandy. Red part is showing my preferred lynches. And again, I've argued about Mandy and I'm not going to quote all of them.

Thank you. Now how is your vote any different than mine. You say I'm trying to split town's interest. Generally one would assume I would do this to protect a scumbuddy (who?). Now, you're voting mandy, 4 people are voting chu, 4 are voting Strike, so on and so forth. How does your vote differ from mine, in that it somehow isn't splitting the vote? Their is no difference between my vote and your vote, other than you're upset with Mandy.

Now on to Fircoal: dudebro, why the hate? I throw one little FOS at you and you ream me.

I must say I'm liking all the discussion so far...

I'm not really feeling the case of falko. He voted for some inactives, and is "skimming" (I missed this part). I would be more interested in hearing from Iliad, Mass Miracle, etc., than the case of falko.

I'm also curious as to why mandy voted for pcm. Was it for his defense of Commie?

-Tails

You like it yet you don’t further it? I mean everything you said is really simple and easy to say and you’re not really putting your neck out there or trying hard.

Funny how you missed my earlier case on Commie. And furthermore, I replaced and joined on like pg 16, so I haven't had a chance to post as much as everyone else. Considering as how you've been admittedly lurking I don't think you should have a problem with this. And generally whenever I write I keep things concise, I don't like unnecessary clutter in my writing.

Something.

No seriously I will post something tomorrow after class. Initially I'm in agreement w/ whoever pointed out that the extra information from falko was unnecessary. FOS Strike and Chu.

-Tails

Not posting much again, are ya? Btw nice easy people to fos, you must really be sticking your neck out there.

Please take this into context. That was like midnight-1 a.m., I had to be up for class at 6. And I DID post the very next day after class.

...my case on Sax...

Yes I know that Sax has been doing nothing this whole game but posting one liners that don’t contribute and just go with the flow. But please tell me Tails, what have you done that is different? Because the way I see it, you’ve been doing the same thing that Sax has, and yet you call it out to attention on your more useful post. I find this scummy of you. ;3

It's plenty different. As I've stated earlier, I had two cases: Commie and Sax, which again is also different because I replaced. I have NOT been BW'ing or lurking. I've been active, more so than you and Sax.

I agree with you. I merely pointed out that for a player who has done almost nothing, to suddenly BW on the latest suspect was scummy. In essence he's doing the same thing chu is doing.

-Tails

And what you’ve been doing too.

Please tell me where I've been BW.

Perhaps you'd defend him (even though logically he was kind of asking for it) because you know he'd turn up town so you could this?

Ironic.

-Tails

Unneeded

No because Commie and I have been having a conversation about just that. It all goes back to my original case on him where he rebutted with "I never thought of you as a retard..."

Well considering how I've got a case on Sax, no. How about you add your thoughts to that?

-Tails

In which all of the stuff you busted him for you were basically doing also. It’s nice of you to post back to that though. I know you don’t want to actually further the discussion so you’ll stick to your one, while valid, hypocritical lead that you pointed out.

First, I am not doing the same thing Sax is doing. Second, this is also taken out of context. I was having a discussion with Commie about how he accused me of not contributing when I had JUST laid out a case on Sax ONE page back. In essence, he was not contributing because he hasn't said anything about it.

You know Commie went down his list of suspicion only a couple of pages ago. I think this proves that you’re skimming. Nice try, the Sax case may be valid but it’s just screaming that you’re bringing it up to try to stop real discussion and not let anyone know that you don’t know anything about what’s been being talked about this whole game.

I'm not skimming. Also, how am I trying to stop discussion? From what? Your case? Are you saying I should've BW'ed you for inactivity, like the majority of your voters? Hm...

Something.

Minor point but does anyone think someone is trying to be a bit too clever here?

No

Well ffs EXCUSE ME for trying to introduce a little humor. I'm sorry that my joke fell flat and that you don't have a similar sense of humor. Goddamn bro.

-Tails