The Murder Of Albarezzi- End Game- Mafia Wins!

[Anarkistsdream]

But since the question is out and it's the only possibility, it can't hurt to ask: Drabod, are you Nark's lover?

Wow... The fact that you guys figured that out is really astonishing... I've never been good at associations before. Can deduce one person, but not their friends...

Good job, guys.

[safariguy5]

Well, I'd say the inactives have had more of an impact on this game than the actives. Edoc ends up covering for Victor and Nark is now covering for drabod. Half the players have either claimed or been vouched for by someone, I think now is the time to consider a no lynch. And I'm pretty sure this is a NV game at this point.

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[Anarkistsdream]

Well, I'd say the inactives have had more of an impact on this game than the actives. Edoc ends up covering for Victor and Nark is now covering for drabod. Half the players have either claimed or been vouched for by someone, I think now is the time to consider a no lynch. And I'm pretty sure this is a NV game at this point.

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I agree, but I also know that several people on my bandwagon must be scum.

So, if we go no lynch, who do I target tonight?

[edocsil]

My thought as to who to kill.

Commander
safari
Vi
/

Personally I think we should just quick lynch some one on that list. If everyone who has claimed they should all be scum, 3 of them mafia and one the SK. If we lynch one of them and they are town we know one of the claimed people is lying.

In that spirit I Vote / as IMO he has contributed the least to the town effort.

[Anarkistsdream]

My thought as to who to kill.

Commander
safari
Vi
/

Personally I think we should just quick lynch some one on that list. If everyone who has claimed they should all be scum, 3 of them mafia and one the SK. If we lynch one of them and they are town we know one of the claimed people is lying.

In that spirit I Vote / as IMO he has contributed the least to the town effort.

I guess that will have to do.

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Vote: /

[Commander9]

My thought as to who to kill.

Commander
safari
Vi
/

Personally I think we should just quick lynch some one on that list. If everyone who has claimed they should all be scum, 3 of them mafia and one the SK. If we lynch one of them and they are town we know one of the claimed people is lying.

In that spirit I Vote / as IMO he has contributed the least to the town effort.

Fair enough.

Unvote. Vote /.

[pancakemix]

Wait, why do we have to lynch someone to determine if someone's lying? (Really, I am shocked at how much people are willing to believe Nark and care not to explain it) That just sounds reckless to me. And if we're basing it on contribution, we may as well lynch victor. We're not on a deadline, so I say let / make his case before being so hasty. At least leave him alive long enough to claim. That way we can know for sure that someone who claimed is lying.

[Commander9]

Wait, why do we have to lynch someone to determine if someone's lying? (Really, I am shocked at how much people are willing to believe Nark and care not to explain it) That just sounds reckless to me. And if we're basing it on contribution, we may as well lynch victor. We're not on a deadline, so I say let / make his case before being so hasty. At least leave him alive long enough to claim. That way we can know for sure that someone who claimed is lying.

No one said he can't make his defence - he's still L-3, I believe. And I don't think (or at least hope) that anyone bought Anark's claim, but to be fair, / hasn't contributed much and I don't mind pressuring him a bit.

[DoomYoshi]

Sorry I have been a bit quiet this weekend. I agree with the voting of /, I will switch once I have heard his defense on why we shouldn't vote for him. It worries me that saf and Nark would vote for a no lynch. I am not sure I understand the reasoning. Perhaps you could offer a better explanation to me?

[VioIet]

Well, I'd say the inactives have had more of an impact on this game than the actives. Edoc ends up covering for Victor and Nark is now covering for drabod. Half the players have either claimed or been vouched for by someone, I think now is the time to consider a no lynch. And I'm pretty sure this is a NV game at this point.

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I have strong reason to believe that this game isn't a nonvanilla, as I'm pretty sure at least one person got stuck with a vanilla town role. But for all the town power roles that we supposedly have- the mafia must also be pretty strong.

Also i disagree that there are 3 mafia and a SK. That is just too much for an 11 player game. I'd say either 2 mafia and a SK, or only three mafia and no SK.

If all the claims are correct so far- simple math would put at least two scum out of /, Commander and myself, as we are the only three who have not claimed.

I think right now the odds are over 90% that / is scum. And whether that pans out or not- I think commander should be our target tomorrow.

I will unvote for now. Really want to vote /, but I'll give him a few more hours to defend himself, before I throw a vote in.

[safariguy5]

Sorry I have been a bit quiet this weekend. I agree with the voting of /, I will switch once I have heard his defense on why we shouldn't vote for him. It worries me that saf and Nark would vote for a no lynch. I am not sure I understand the reasoning. Perhaps you could offer a better explanation to me?

I personally think there's enough information out there that even with a NK or two, some people who lied about their role should be outed tomorrow by investigative night actions.

[Commander9]

I have strong reason to believe that this game isn't a nonvanilla, as I'm pretty sure at least one person got stuck with a vanilla town role. But for all the town power roles that we supposedly have- the mafia must also be pretty strong.

Also i disagree that there are 3 mafia and a SK. That is just too much for an 11 player game. I'd say either 2 mafia and a SK, or only three mafia and no SK.

If all the claims are correct so far- simple math would put at least two scum out of /, Commander and myself, as we are the only three who have not claimed.

I think right now the odds are over 90% that / is scum. And whether that pans out or not- I think commander should be our target tomorrow.

I will unvote for now. Really want to vote /, but I'll give him a few more hours to defend himself, before I throw a vote in.

Do you have any basis for that or is that just your hunch?

[safariguy5]

I have strong reason to believe that this game isn't a nonvanilla, as I'm pretty sure at least one person got stuck with a vanilla town role. But for all the town power roles that we supposedly have- the mafia must also be pretty strong.

Also i disagree that there are 3 mafia and a SK. That is just too much for an 11 player game. I'd say either 2 mafia and a SK, or only three mafia and no SK.

If all the claims are correct so far- simple math would put at least two scum out of /, Commander and myself, as we are the only three who have not claimed.

I think right now the odds are over 90% that / is scum. And whether that pans out or not- I think commander should be our target tomorrow.

I will unvote for now. Really want to vote /, but I'll give him a few more hours to defend himself, before I throw a vote in.

Do you have any basis for that or is that just your hunch?

I agree with Vio in that I question the balance issues that would arise with both mafia and SK. If what Nark says is true, then having two town power roles lover linked with only 1 doctor and two nightkills in an 11 player game makes it much more likely that town loses two power roles relatively quickly. I'm not buying that we have 2 anti-town factions either.

I'm open to the idea of lynching one of the unclaimed. Will wait for defense though.

[VioIet]

Hmm, I'm not sure I understand commander's question, but I would like to answer it. Hunch or basis for which statement? That I don't think there could be four anti-town roles, or that i think two of the unclaimed must indeed be mafia?

[Commander9]

Hmm, I'm not sure I understand commander's question, but I would like to answer it. Hunch or basis for which statement? That I don't think there could be four anti-town roles, or that i think two of the unclaimed must indeed be mafia?

My bad for not being clear enough. Your 2nd statement and explain why you're so sure that / and I are mafia.

[VioIet]

Well of course I am biased here.

Everyone has claimed except for me, you and /.

I already know my role.

So if everyone has claimed correctly, then that leaves you and / as mafia.

However, there is always the possibility that someone wasn't truthful. Which could complicate things.

I am just simply doing a process of elimination.

So basically commander, I don't know your role but you do. I hope you can understand my logic here so far. If you are in fact town, then you know without a doubt that someone is lying.

If commander is town- then / and one of the people who claimed has to be mafia.

If everyone claimed correctly- commander and / have to be mafia.

[Commander9]

Well of course I am biased here.

Everyone has claimed except for me, you and /.

I already know my role.

So if everyone has claimed correctly, then that leaves you and / as mafia.

However, there is always the possibility that someone wasn't truthful. Which could complicate things.

I am just simply doing a process of elimination.

So basically commander, I don't know your role but you do. I hope you can understand my logic here so far. If you are in fact town, then you know without a doubt that someone is lying.

If commander is town- then / and one of the people who claimed has to be mafia.

If everyone claimed correctly- commander and / have to be mafia.

Fair enough. As I've said before, I'm sure that someone here is not telling the truth. I personally still think that AD case is flimsy, but I can understand people being reluctant to test it as it could lead to huge potential loss. We'll see soon enough, I guess.

[Commander9]

Well, I just realized that spiesr has never claimed either, so it might skew your theory just a bit Vio Although, judging from his posts, I'd assume that he's pro-town as well.

[DoomYoshi]

Drabod has not yet confirmed what Nark said, we need his confirmation on that. If we don't get it soon, I think the target is pretty obvious.

[Anarkistsdream]

Drabod has not yet confirmed what Nark said, we need his confirmation on that. If we don't get it soon, I think the target is pretty obvious.

Yeah, still not me.

[edocsil]

Drabod has not yet confirmed what Nark said, we need his confirmation on that. If we don't get it soon, I think the target is pretty obvious.

Not the target you are thinking however. Leave the whole nark and drab thing to me and Vic. I just pray that the docs prevent us from getting killed.

As for balance, we were told there was a SK in the flavor so we know she is there. There should be 3 scum with the kind of power the town supposedly is carrying. I have never seen a 2 man scum team in a game with more then 8 players

[Commander9]

Not the target you are thinking however. Leave the whole nark and drab thing to me and Vic. I just pray that the docs prevent us from getting killed.

As for balance, we were told there was a SK in the flavor so we know she is there. There should be 3 scum with the kind of power the town supposedly is carrying. I have never seen a 2 man scum team in a game with more then 8 players

Fair enough, although, IMO, if that's indeed your plan, it would probably be smart to use both of those on the same one. For example, if Anark is GF and you will investigate him and track Drabod, you may not very good results and vice versa. If you'd do the same thing and they're scum, you'll get one good result from either of our roles (If it's GF, tracker will show the kill, if it's a mafia goon, cop will show scum).

[safariguy5]

Not the target you are thinking however. Leave the whole nark and drab thing to me and Vic. I just pray that the docs prevent us from getting killed.

As for balance, we were told there was a SK in the flavor so we know she is there. There should be 3 scum with the kind of power the town supposedly is carrying. I have never seen a 2 man scum team in a game with more then 8 players

Fair enough, although, IMO, if that's indeed your plan, it would probably be smart to use both of those on the same one. For example, if Anark is GF and you will investigate him and track Drabod, you may not very good results and vice versa. If you'd do the same thing and they're scum, you'll get one good result from either of our roles (If it's GF, tracker will show the kill, if it's a mafia goon, cop will show scum).

Only problem is, there's only 1 confirmed doc and supposedly 1 JOAT with as yet unknown options. And me, but edoc seems reluctant to let me help...

[Commander9]

Only problem is, there's only 1 confirmed doc and supposedly 1 JOAT with as yet unknown options. And me, but edoc seems reluctant to let me help...

I can see why it's risky, but I'd personally say go ahead.

[Drabod]

Sorry guys i have been busy and got behind on the reading wow, its suddenly got a hell of alot more active. i shall read and post my thoughts later