[SPECIAL] Surprise Mafia - Over - Mafia Wins - MVP Aladdin

[PLAYER57832]

Question, which is likely irrelevant at this point.... if a revived player reverses alignment, then why not revive a known scum? Or is it not that certain?

I'm not shore wear you were wile teh rest of us were playing teh game, but yes, this was discust at grate length - it was unsertan weather sumwun revived wood keep there same alinement, or change. The Mods can do it eether way.

Thanks for jogging my memory! I do remember now.

[AladdinSane]

The only real ideas I have had have been pretty roundly either proven false (wing, IB, etc.) or dismissed (assorted others). At one point, I thought mets was scum. Now I still have questions about you, but with time short, I think we need to agree.

Wot are you torking about? Time isent short, we have until 4/5/16.

I don't have anything to add at this point other than guesses and I don't think my guesses are as trustworthy as those of other more experienced players, players with better track records per the majority views (or at least won't be perceived as less trustworthy might be a better way to put it)

So, basically, I am now just popping in to see if there is anyone settled for a vote and that's about it.

See, dis is eggsackly wot I am torking about wit teh "nuttink posts" You just continooly throw yer hands up in teh air and say yool folow others becorse you've made some rong gesses. Well, gess wot? We orl have. I felt shore dat Storr/Wing/revived Marashu were orl scum, or at leest dat two of dem were. I thort DJP and Falko were reesonabul shots at been scum too.

Frankly, yore resent posts make me moor suspishus of you than ever. You are playing teh noob card WAAAAAAY too hard. I meen, youve been playing dis game for ormost tree munths now, and you have to ask wot a "Doc" does? Cum on! And now you don't remember teh how "Wot is revived-Marashu's alinement" debate dat went on forever?

I wanted to linch you yesterday insted of DJP, and yer not saying enyting to change my mind about day. Still not shore between you and / tho (maybe both), so for now - sinse we have to mutch time - UNVOTE

[AladdinSane]

Question, which is likely irrelevant at this point.... if a revived player reverses alignment, then why not revive a known scum? Or is it not that certain?

I'm not shore wear you were wile teh rest of us were playing teh game, but yes, this was discust at grate length - it was unsertan weather sumwun revived wood keep there same alinement, or change. The Mods can do it eether way.

Thanks for jogging my memory! I do remember now.

Arrrgh! Now you remember. I tink at dis point I want to linch you just to find out if dis "naive helpless noob" ting is a brilliant disgyze fer Mafia, or teh reel ting LOL.

[CatchersMitt14]

As frustrating as players' comments can be. I mean toward her being town. There's no solid evidence to my opioids. However, I think if she were scum she would have received better guidance and direction on gameplay from her scum biddies, especially in the beginning of the game.

[Metsfanmax]

As frustrating as players' comments can be. I mean toward her being town. There's no solid evidence to my opioids. However, I think if she were scum she would have received better guidance and direction on gameplay from her scum biddies, especially in the beginning of the game.

I am not so sure. I think the mafia side must be pretty disorganized. In hindsight, I think it would have been easy for them to avoid a rishaed lynch if they had tried, yet they let that happen despite two other people in the alignment thingie and also lack of clarity on benga + rag.

[CatchersMitt14]

As frustrating as players' comments can be. I mean toward her being town. There's no solid evidence to my opioids. However, I think if she were scum she would have received better guidance and direction on gameplay from her scum biddies, especially in the beginning of the game.

I am not so sure. I think the mafia side must be pretty disorganized. In hindsight, I think it would have been easy for them to avoid a rishaed lynch if they had tried, yet they let that happen despite two other people in the alignment thingie and also lack of clarity on benga + rag.

Hmm, I agree with your premise however there's probaby more forces in play to support it. As a whole I think they've done a decent job. Scum looks as if they're suffreing due to lack of participation just as much as we are. There were several players relativley absent during the rish lycnhlous day. Perhaps there is a good place to start scum hunting.

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I use my powers for those I trust, the inventors were likely scum on my list; with no confirmed town supporting actions until after they died.
I had hoped to use one for whatever ultimate plan Storr had in... Store to solve the game initially, but that of course never panned out.

I'd say IB has a fair shot at being Mafia too as I've been saying. Past that, you'll find out if I run out of suspects to vote.
Like I said, vocalizing too much is what lets scum pick and choose.

Funny in the past you never put fourth the notion I was mafia. You were sure I was second cult.

The problem I have with inactivity is that people rationalize it as an excuse not to say anything because they believe there is nothing to say, which is BS. What their inactivity does is not leave a record or a minimal record at best to judge from. I do not expect anyone to go "Ding I am on" but I do expect participation in a game they voluntarily joined. Posting once every several days a sentence or two helps absolutely no one.

You had a fairly convincing case on Mets aside from that you have really offered nothing over the last 133 pages or so.

You think I am scum? Fine make a case, say why.

Well, you've been skimming heavily, making multiple mistakes despite calling other on lack of participation, pushing a case you aren't committed to, and your role is overpowered to cult in a very strange way that I would suspect should come with a double edge (IE, scum knows about scum).

I could quote some of my earlier points too.

[Iron Butterfly]

I use my powers for those I trust, the inventors were likely scum on my list; with no confirmed town supporting actions until after they died.
I had hoped to use one for whatever ultimate plan Storr had in... Store to solve the game initially, but that of course never panned out.

I'd say IB has a fair shot at being Mafia too as I've been saying. Past that, you'll find out if I run out of suspects to vote.
Like I said, vocalizing too much is what lets scum pick and choose.

Funny in the past you never put fourth the notion I was mafia. You were sure I was second cult.

The problem I have with inactivity is that people rationalize it as an excuse not to say anything because they believe there is nothing to say, which is BS. What their inactivity does is not leave a record or a minimal record at best to judge from. I do not expect anyone to go "Ding I am on" but I do expect participation in a game they voluntarily joined. Posting once every several days a sentence or two helps absolutely no one.

You had a fairly convincing case on Mets aside from that you have really offered nothing over the last 133 pages or so.

You think I am scum? Fine make a case, say why.

Well, you've been skimming heavily, making multiple mistakes despite calling other on lack of participation, pushing a case you aren't committed to, and your role is overpowered to cult in a very strange way that I would suspect should come with a double edge (IE, scum knows about scum).

I could quote some of my earlier points too.

Over powered in what way?? We have 2 mafia dead with perhaps 3 left in a 28 player game. Besides mafia and third party survivors/cult no other roles have turned up that pose a danger. Doc and Vig were mod killed. A variety of sane and insane cops and sane and insane inventors. For the majority of the game these roles only sewed confusion and certainly did not give town clarity of any sort. Left without a balance and some luck cult could easily have runaway with the game before it was to late.

Seeing how the original mod is gone there is no sense in second guessing his thoughts and motives. Did he take into account those he may need to mod kill? I do not know. But with everything stated my role was hardly over powered. Cult unchecked in so large a game would have over whelmed mafia plunking away one kill each night.

And listen if you think I have skimmed to the detriment of Town by all means show it, otherwise it is blah blah blah.I make no bones about playing a perfect game but I have been clear and present the whole game.

[AladdinSane]

IB it seems will come under a lot of scrutiny today. the 2 overiding issues i have with him is he gave us our first antitown lynch and deliberately left the lynch to prove he was not a lyncher, the second is the blood test carried out by benga, this confirmed that indeed ib was a killer as he was seen to have blood on his hands.....but wait, where did benga get this invention from? thats right, LSU, our insane inventor, being insane none of his inventions work the way they should as so for me that clears IB.

so town for me are

TWR (of course)
benga
risky
aladdin
ib

mitch is clearly a 3p

that leaves us with 4 others. at least 2 are scum and 1 will be town, the 4th could be anything.

Mets - claims bullet bill, a minor PR, but a PR nonetheless, would he not have been a better nk for scum?
Player - who admitted to being scum, or was it red herring?
slash and catcher, not too much on these 2 will have to read through their posts to make a decision on them.

Now, anybody else care to agree or disagree with my analysis?

ATM, I'm going with:

Confermed (or neerly confermed) Town: TWR, Benga, RB

So their are seven unconfermed playas, including me, and likely tree or moor Mafia. dat's about one in evry two is Mafia, and we havent had so mutch luck unerting dem so far, so we have to tink outside teh box a littul moor, I tink. Sum thorts:

Unlike TWR, I don't see IB as cleered. Not partikly scummy, but not cleered. Dere are tree main ishues fer me: (1) Teh HS saga; (2) Teh 8-borl reed on WS; (3) Teh glases.
(1) HotShot - Teh weerdness of teh HS saga continues to bother me - it just dozent fit wit teh rest of teh game. I'm reely having trubble beleeving teh Mods just gave IB orl teh info he needed to get HS linched. It seems moor likely to me dat IB had a N0 nite ackshun, witch delivered to him teh info on HS. Orso, HS flipped 3P serviver and asylum/esylum escapee, but we don't have eny proof to bak up IB's claim dat he was a huge thret to Town who needed to be taken out ASAP. Orso orso, IB is teh only playa in teh hole game who seems to have had a post restriction forbiding him frum disclosing his full roll. And why teh post restrickshun? Wood it have changed tings mutch if IB had been able to say rite away: "I'm an aslyum gard and HS is a dangerus prisoner who needs to be taken out"? No, prob not. Orso orso orso, teh roll itself seems weerd: IB has dis wun big ting to do at teh start of teh game, and teh becums efecktively VT? Dis MITE be plorsibul, sinse we have seen other rolls dat moor or less reverted to vanilla (e.g, Storr and Benga).
(2) 8-borl - Dis was a LSU TJ invenchun and so we know dere was sumtink screwy about it. IB claims to have used it on WhatSausage, and dat teh resolt came back as Town. Wun prob is, we don't know eggsackly HOW teh invenchun screwed up. Did it reflect back on IB (i.e. similar to swetter), in witch case it cleered IB. Or did it flip teh resolt, in witch case it fingered WS. Or was it a random resolt? If it did finger WS, why? Their was nothing in his flipped roll descripshun dat screemed "anti-Town", and his use of his powers ackshually looked pro-Town - he lowered teh linch threshold on D1 to 11 votes, making it easier to get a linch (and D1 linches are genrally suposed to be pro-Town), and he gave evrywun a dubbel vote on D2 (orso looks pro-Town). On teh other hand, dese moves cood orso be seen as anti-Town, as dey wood make it eesier fer Mafia to get mislinches. But why wood a 3P care about helping Mafia at dat erly stage of teh game? And den der is teh posibility dat IB misreported teh resolt. He dident know at dat time dat LSU TJ's invenchuns were screwed up, but maybe he had extra infermashun on moor than just wun playa (i.e. not just HS), and wanted to cleer WS for his own perposes?
(3) Glases: Agin, we know teh glases resolt is screwed up becorse insane inventer. And it looks like we can rule out teh posibility dat dey reflected back on teh user. But wot we don't know is if dey gsave a resolt reflecting only teh previus nite, or a resolt going rite back to teh start of teh game. If teh former, den dey only cleer IB fer wun nite.

Orl-in-orl, dis just looks merky to me and dozent either cleer nor dam IB at dis point.

/: Main case aginst him seems to stem frum his multipul absenses frum teh game. Voting patern looks a bit scumy, as noted erlier (e.g. wozent on teh Rish linch). Use of his claimed power isent grate, but not teribul eether. I've been suspishus of him, but wen you look at it, their dozent seem to be a super-strong case aginst him. I voted him today becorse I was a bit anoyed at his latest absense witch, even if he is Town, was herting Town. However, his partisipashun level seems to be improving of late, so let's see...

Mitch: Prob 3P but we do need to consider orl teh posibilities. Mitch cood be playing a brilliant game as Mafia pretending to be a jester. Teh trubbul is dat if we want to know fer shore, we risk using a linch on a 3P at a time wen we desperately need to linch Mafia.

CM: Sumtimes seems to be voting in line with Player, as in wen their was a late wagen on me in, I tink, D5. And now he is defending Player. I waver in my opinyun of CM. I tink if Player were to flip Mafia, CM wood be a good bet fer a scum partner. Witch brings me to...

Player: Like I've sed resently, seems to be still (after neerly tree munths) playing teh noob card reel hard. It's like she is a Goldie Hawn caracter or sumtink. But if she is Mafia, maybe her scum buddies sed to her 'Yer a noob, go out and play like a noob, only moor so. Play so noobishly dat it gets anoying an stops enywun frum tinking you are Mafia.' But den, maybe she is just a Town noob playing noobishly. I just dont know enymoor.

Mets: Have been suspishus of Mets throughout teh game, fer been "too good to be true", but like IB he was on teh Rish linch an dat eesed my suspishuns a bit. Main ting aginst him atm seems to be dat he is still alive (i.e. not Nked) but as I have sed in previous posts, I dont find dat orl dat remarkabul reely. I have a sneeking suspishun he cood be MAfia playing reely well, but I agree wit TWR dat we shood give him a chanse to finger Mafia tonite.

[AladdinSane]

Fergot my conclusyun:

I tink atm I'm leening Player, if only becorse I wood feel very verry embawassed if Town lost and Player terned out to be Mafia.

[CatchersMitt14]

CM: Sumtimes seems to be voting in line with Player, as in wen their was a late wagen on me in, I tink, D5. And now he is defending Player. I waver in my opinyun of CM. I tink if Player were to flip Mafia, CM wood be a good bet fer a scum partner. Witch brings me to...

Player: Like I've sed resently, seems to be still (after neerly tree munths) playing teh noob card reel hard. It's like she is a Goldie Hawn caracter or sumtink. But if she is Mafia, maybe her scum buddies sed to her 'Yer a noob, go out and play like a noob, only moor so. Play so noobishly dat it gets anoying an stops enywun frum tinking you are Mafia.' But den, maybe she is just a Town noob playing noobishly. I just dont know enymoor.

It's not my intentiont to defend player eventhough I realize it can come across that way. My position is that player is not worth lynching today based on your premise that if she's playing a brillient scum role then you'll be embarrassed if she beats us.

If we're really as close to losing as you'd like to make us think then why don't we just go big and hit someone like IB? I'm really tired of hearing the argument about "scumming around" or this person said something that frustrated/offended me and therefore they should be lynched. That has worked like crapola for us so far this game (Wing, Storr, DJ, and Falko being big examples to both of those points). Alsomer, it really gives us no ingormation. DJ flipped town, so what? There's not much to draw on for today's lynch and now we're pretty much back in the same position we were yesterday.

[AladdinSane]

If we're really as close to losing as you'd like to make us think then why don't we just go big and hit someone like IB? I'm really tired of hearing the argument about "scumming around" or this person said something that frustrated/offended me and therefore they should be lynched. That has worked like crapola for us so far this game (Wing, Storr, DJ, and Falko being big examples to both of those points). Alsomer, it really gives us no ingormation. DJ flipped town, so what? There's not much to draw on for today's lynch and now we're pretty much back in the same position we were yesterday.

I'm not trying to make enywun tink we are close to losing, but I do tink their is prob tree Mafia left, and prob Mitch as 3P. Wit ten playas left, dat meens 6 Town, 3 Mafia, 1 3P. Do teh math: we mislinch today and Mafia gets a kill tonite, we wake up tomorow to 4-3-1. So far we've seen 2 Mafia and 2 3P, whitch meens if I am rite, we started wit 5 Mafia and 3 3P - i.e. 8 non-Town out of 28. Looks a littul lite fer scum to me, if enytink.

Yeh, I agree wit you dat cases based on perseeved scummy behavia have not gone well, but it seems to me dat's orl we have to go on, atm. If you tink their is a solid fact-based case on sumwun, pleese point it out to us. I cood qwite eesily be perswayded to vote fer eny of teh playas I regard as unconfermed, including IB. Anuther ting about IB, wile I am on teh topic, is he claims to be frum teh skool of "linch orl liars", yet he hasent corled fer a linch of Mitch, who has cleerly lied about his role moor then wunse. And let us not ferget, he led yesterday's linch on DJP.

[CatchersMitt14]

If we're really as close to losing as you'd like to make us think then why don't we just go big and hit someone like IB? I'm really tired of hearing the argument about "scumming around" or this person said something that frustrated/offended me and therefore they should be lynched. That has worked like crapola for us so far this game (Wing, Storr, DJ, and Falko being big examples to both of those points). Alsomer, it really gives us no ingormation. DJ flipped town, so what? There's not much to draw on for today's lynch and now we're pretty much back in the same position we were yesterday.

I'm not trying to make enywun tink we are close to losing, but I do tink their is prob tree Mafia left, and prob Mitch as 3P. Wit ten playas left, dat meens 6 Town, 3 Mafia, 1 3P. Do teh math: we mislinch today and Mafia gets a kill tonite, we wake up tomorow to 4-3-1. So far we've seen 2 Mafia and 2 3P, whitch meens if I am rite, we started wit 5 Mafia and 3 3P - i.e. 8 non-Town out of 28. Looks a littul lite fer scum to me, if enytink.

Yeh, I agree wit you dat cases based on perseeved scummy behavia have not gone well, but it seems to me dat's orl we have to go on, atm. If you tink their is a solid fact-based case on sumwun, pleese point it out to us. I cood qwite eesily be perswayded to vote fer eny of teh playas I regard as unconfermed, including IB. Anuther ting about IB, wile I am on teh topic, is he claims to be frum teh skool of "linch orl liars", yet he hasent corled fer a linch of Mitch, who has cleerly lied about his role moor then wunse. And let us not ferget, he led yesterday's linch on DJP.

I've done the math, for several situations, I get it. Your assumption is just one possibility. I'm not disagreeing with it.

I haven't forgotten about IB, in facet, I've already made that point about him leading DJ's lynch and away from slash. One of my biggest arguments avoot lynching slash what it would shed light on IB. Oh, and I've made a facet based case on slash, on several people act silly.

But you're right, the time for shedding new light is over.

[CatchersMitt14]

Oops, I hit submit instead of full editor from mib phoniter.

unvote vote IB

[the white rose]

@aladdin, I am not clearin ib as 100& town, neither am i clearing you.

just really trying to narrow down the choices of likley scum.

having given this a lot of thought, i have decided to narrow down my choice to just 2 players, that is player and slash, surely at least one must be scum, possibly both. I have decided to vote player, for 2 reasons really, one cannot be that naive as to not know what doc does 3 months into her second game, her scum slip the other day....and also cos slash is trying to lynch mets who i still think is 90% scum

[rizky_biznezz]

That's just great lost the post I just wrote out awesome..

I have done nothing but change my mind the last few days so interested to see who rose and benga are thinking seeing as we are supposed to be thinking about sticking with them..

Not sure about ib I admit I haven't ruled him out but not sure I want to lynch him.. Pancake called him scummy and tried to keep the spotlight on him after the hot shot lynch but that could have been the plan to have some negative association amongst them or it could have been pancake trying to get a townsfolk killed still deciding

Fpd by rose

[AladdinSane]

Oh, and I've made a facet based case on slash, on several people act silly.

By "facked-based", I meen stemming frum a 100%-shore flip resolt. Fer eggsampul, Marashu flipped Town Insane Cop both times he died, and he cleered TWR (wen you take his insanity into acount).

Apart frum teh theretical posibility of busdriving, witch i dont tink is likely hear, TWR is Town.

Anuther eggsampul wood be "Rish flipped Mafia, and both Wing and Deg flipped Town, so Benga's claim dat eggsackly wun of teh tree named by teh alinement-definer is scum cheked out, so Benga is very likely Town".

I don't tink we have enytink dat is facked-based in dat sense on eny unconfermed playa atm.

[CatchersMitt14]

Oh, and I've made a facet based case on slash, on several people act silly.

By "facked-based", I meen stemming frum a 100%-shore flip resolt. Fer eggsampul, Marashu flipped Town Insane Cop both times he died, and he cleered TWR (wen you take his insanity into acount).

Apart frum teh theretical posibility of busdriving, witch i dont tink is likely hear, TWR is Town.

Anuther eggsampul wood be "Rish flipped Mafia, and both Wing and Deg flipped Town, so Benga's claim dat eggsackly wun of teh tree named by teh alinement-definer is scum cheked out, so Benga is very likely Town".

I don't tink we have enytink dat is facked-based in dat sense on eny unconfermed playa atm.

Alrigjt, well at least we all now know what you mean. There are more facts to this game then just flips. Ifed that's the only evidence presented that will sway your opinion at this point in the game then there's no point in even having a discussion as we have no more inventors or copes left and the likenesses of mets discovering something is low.

[AladdinSane]

Alrigjt, well at least we all now know what you mean. There are more facts to this game then just flips. Ifed that's the only evidence presented that will sway your opinion at this point in the game then there's no point in even having a discussion as we have no more inventors or copes left and the likenesses of mets discovering something is low.

I don't tink I was using teh term "facked-based" in an unusual way. we just don't have solid fackts, we might as well just admit it. Orl we have is soft circumstanshal evidense based on aparent assocsiashuns, Freudian slips like Player's, voting paterns etc.

I dident say I woodent be swayed by soft fackts of dis type, but i WILL say I don't put a grate deel of faith in dem. Dat's why I sed I cood be persuaded to vote fer eny unconfermed playa. As you yerself pointed out, relying on dis type of "fackt" has not been helpful thus far and, as I pointed out, dat's true but its orl we've got now.

So we just have to make teh best colective edumacated gesses dat we can, and press ahed.

[PLAYER57832]

I could go for a /, IB, Aladdin. IB would be my strongest vote.

When I said "time is short", I meant game time... we need to get a lynch in this mafia day, not drag this out any longer. That is why I said that I would try to vote with "the group".

I already put out my case against IB. I am not the only one suspicious there. The thing is IWR and IB seem to have been working hand in hand for several (mafia time) days now. I question if there is something that might have deflected or turned IWR's investigation skewy, but it seems that is not possible or at least that if it is the case there is too much stacked against us already.

As for the "throwing up my hands". Well.. seems that is really about all everyone is doing, or at least it does not seem that there is real evidence being brought out any longer. No more investigations, so its all really just guesswork now. Trying to guess people's intent online is difficult at best. I am not sure why my admitting that makes me "scum". Frankly, those making that assertion against me seem to be the same who have railroaded the group into voting for previous bad calls. And again, the part that makes me suspicious is not that they did this, its that instead of saying "hey, OK, I goofed", they try to justify it.


I am obviously not going to vote for myself. If you don't want to believe I am town, then the game is probably already lost.

[Iron Butterfly]

I could go for a /, IB, Aladdin. IB would be my strongest vote.

When I said "time is short", I meant game time... we need to get a lynch in this mafia day, not drag this out any longer. That is why I said that I would try to vote with "the group".

I already put out my case against IB. I am not the only one suspicious there. The thing is IWR and IB seem to have been working hand in hand for several (mafia time) days now. I question if there is something that might have deflected or turned IWR's investigation skewy, but it seems that is not possible or at least that if it is the case there is too much stacked against us already.

As for the "throwing up my hands". Well.. seems that is really about all everyone is doing, or at least it does not seem that there is real evidence being brought out any longer. No more investigations, so its all really just guesswork now. Trying to guess people's intent online is difficult at best. I am not sure why my admitting that makes me "scum". Frankly, those making that assertion against me seem to be the same who have railroaded the group into voting for previous bad calls. And again, the part that makes me suspicious is not that they did this, its that instead of saying "hey, OK, I goofed", they try to justify it.


I am obviously not going to vote for myself. If you don't want to believe I am town, then the game is probably already lost.

Now here you have been saying that there is nothing to go on so you will go with whatever everyone else wants. NOW you say TWR and I are working hand in hand. Which is it. And if you are going to say as such back it up. Saying so does not make it so.

[madmitch]

As frustrating as players' comments can be. I mean toward her being town. There's no solid evidence to my opioids. However, I think if she were scum she would have received better guidance and direction on gameplay from her scum biddies, especially in the beginning of the game.

I am not so sure. I think the mafia side must be pretty disorganized. In hindsight, I think it would have been easy for them to avoid a rishaed lynch if they had tried, yet they let that happen despite two other people in the alignment thingie and also lack of clarity on benga + rag.

Hmm, I agree with your premise however there's probaby more forces in play to support it. As a whole I think they've done a decent job. Scum looks as if they're suffreing due to lack of participation just as much as we are. There were several players relativley absent during the rish lycnhlous day. Perhaps there is a good place to start scum hunting.

sounds like you are saying your scum, and then you are trying to throw I.B. under the bus when it was proven he was town, so UNVOTE VOTE CATCHERSMITT

[PLAYER57832]

I could go for a /, IB, Aladdin. IB would be my strongest vote.

When I said "time is short", I meant game time... we need to get a lynch in this mafia day, not drag this out any longer. That is why I said that I would try to vote with "the group".

I already put out my case against IB. I am not the only one suspicious there. The thing is IWR and IB seem to have been working hand in hand for several (mafia time) days now. I question if there is something that might have deflected or turned IWR's investigation skewy, but it seems that is not possible or at least that if it is the case there is too much stacked against us already.

As for the "throwing up my hands". Well.. seems that is really about all everyone is doing, or at least it does not seem that there is real evidence being brought out any longer. No more investigations, so its all really just guesswork now. Trying to guess people's intent online is difficult at best. I am not sure why my admitting that makes me "scum". Frankly, those making that assertion against me seem to be the same who have railroaded the group into voting for previous bad calls. And again, the part that makes me suspicious is not that they did this, its that instead of saying "hey, OK, I goofed", they try to justify it.


I am obviously not going to vote for myself. If you don't want to believe I am town, then the game is probably already lost.

Now here you have been saying that there is nothing to go on so you will go with whatever everyone else wants. NOW you say TWR and I are working hand in hand. Which is it. And if you are going to say as such back it up. Saying so does not make it so.

Not quite. I have said for some time I was suspicious of you, but have bowed to those who disagree. Now you are coming up for serious question again by others. That you seem to be voting with IWR could help confirm you, or it could be a reason to question IWR (though apparently his confirmation is solid) or it could be that you are playing the game, trying to deflect interest from yourself. That you seem to hit so hard on others makes me consider the last as a possibility. After all, the old saying is "the best defense is offense". (and you can say turn-about, except that I have not made strong accusations since Wing, only suggestions when pressed).

Aladdin... I like your analysis, except you are wrong about me. I don't think your analysis really shows me as a prime target, either. That -- that you are now turning against me fairly heavily -- makes me suspicious (though that did not work in Wing's case). However my main point against you is that Wing thought you were scum. I had you leaning town because it was the opposite of wing, but when wing was confirmed town, that was reversed.

Mets --- I had an initial suspicion, but nothing further.

Soooo essentially back to what I said before. Anybody is a gamble. Its time to make a best guess and just go with it. Honestly, rolling dice might give us as good an answer as all this analysis, in my opinion.

And.... I have to get out and work on my garden, other things in RL. Other people do as well, so ... let's make a decision and go.

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

Vote Count

Mets (1) - /
IB (1) - Catchers
Player (1) - WhiteRose
Catchers (1) - Mitch

Deadline - 05/04/16 - 13:00 CC time, 6 to lynch

I'd more vote counts if you lot voted more.

[Iron Butterfly]

vote Mets

I am awaiting a response from you player from my last post.