Chuck Mafia, Game over, Town Wins!

[ace1217]

I'm going to unvote LSU in light of the new evidence. My connection with Chuck is most likely more of a mason then a lover: there was originally 3 members, with lovo being the third.

[Talapus]

Logic suggests that Talapus is town aligned. I unvote ace1217 and suggest LSU do the same. The hard work is ahead of us since the nine other people mainly said "my role didn't change" yesterday and today.

This is why I question LSU's motives. If he were an investigator, he would have been the first one to say who was guilty and we all would have voted for that person. He is not, in fact so far he has waited until everyone spoke before he told us who's role should have changed. Until today however. There were still 3 people who never came in and said if their role changed or not before LSU came out and said he picked me last night. What kind of pro town role jumps at the chance to do that when someone may have incriminated themselves. It's either that LSU is trigger happy in this game(Which will really not help us out at all dude.....don't assume you are the only one with a night action like yours and jump the gun before everyone has had a chance to speak.....someone else may have done something and town could have gotten a suspect to come forward....but now, we'll never know) Or he's some kind of third party/rogue agent and has it out for both town and scum. Either way, his voting me right after I posted again may have hurt our chances. As for the "Civilian's" in this game, no clue.....but that's the word used in my role. For god sake, if you are one don't come forward yet and claim......there are now 3 targets that could get killed and there are still Fulcrum members out there.

[ace1217]

To whoever the doctor out there is: I'm probably the best one to save, since I'll be feeding you a constant, 100% guaranteed good reports, unlike LSU, whos alignment is in question, and talapus..... who really isn't doing squat, as far as actions go.(No offense, tal.)

[Talapus]

To whoever the doctor out there is: I'm probably the best one to save, since I'll be feeding you a constant, 100% guaranteed good reports, unlike LSU, whos alignment is in question, and talapus..... who really isn't doing squat, as far as actions go.(No offense, tal.)

LOL....none taken......But to anyone with an investigative role out there I would definately investigate Nzen and/or captainwalrus tonight...they are either civilians or scum.....just no clue which.

[LSU Tiger Josh]

On the previous days, I waited til "most" of the members had posted stating that their role had not changed including this past day when you were the one I was mostly waiting on. With over 75% of the group stating that they had not had their role changed and with 3 members that barely posted remaining, damn right I will vote for you when my role tells me that you SHOULD have changed to my super agent instead of staying a cheap investigative role. With that said, my role is actually superior to ace's in that I can at least try my super agent out again and will get a confirmed townie and Chuck could always actually come out himself to state his results and at that point take the dr. protection. With that said, I did pm our mod to verify that my action was actually read and it was confirmed that it was read. The mod would not confirm or deny that the supposed to action happened afterward, but it was definitely read. For tonight, we could always pick a random lurker/sleep type person who isn't helping us out and work on investigations tonight. I have one of 3 or 4 people that I am considering investigating tonight to choose from.

[strokem1257]

On the previous days, I waited til "most" of the members had posted stating that their role had not changed including this past day when you were the one I was mostly waiting on. With over 75% of the group stating that they had not had their role changed and with 3 members that barely posted remaining, damn right I will vote for you when my role tells me that you SHOULD have changed to my super agent instead of staying a cheap investigative role. With that said, my role is actually superior to ace's in that I can at least try my super agent out again and will get a confirmed townie and Chuck could always actually come out himself to state his results and at that point take the dr. protection. With that said, I did pm our mod to verify that my action was actually read and it was confirmed that it was read. The mod would not confirm or deny that the supposed to action happened afterward, but it was definitely read. For tonight, we could always pick a random lurker/sleep type person who isn't helping us out and work on investigations tonight. I have one of 3 or 4 people that I am considering investigating tonight to choose from.

Personally I think you should have waited til everyone posted. It atleast gives everyone a chance to realize we have started the new day and also to see if anyone will inadvertently slip up and have a scum tell. jumping onto your target as soon as they post is not always a good idea.

Just for clarification, does your super soldier go into effect that night or does it wait for the second night? because what if that person you chose has already turned in their night action... does it get canceled out and they have to choose something else? because if they don't find out that they have changed til the end of the night or even the next night or whatever how can they rightly defend themselves like Tal earlier this game day?

and who is to say that the mafia doesn't have a roleblocker and they are blocking you hoping that you will get the false impression that who you try to change is actually scum?... though that tactic seems to be failing (if they are using it) so far since several of them have died...

This is just a few of my thoughts I have tried formulating as of late. Sorry for not really posting all that much. College life has made my life hectic again with so much dang homework. lol

[LSU Tiger Josh]

1. It had been "day" already 94 hours so I did give plenty of time before I did my vote on Talapus.
2. I just reread my actual role and being that Tal has the claim he does, it may be possible that he is in fact telling the truth. Unvote my role has to go to an agent that is not working for scum for it to be successful. With his role claim, I would imagine that he isn't considered to be an agent.
3. It would revoke their previous action if sent and change to my super agent role for that night although I would normally beat most of the roles actions since I've been sending in my role almost as soon as the night begins once I get online. It also explicitly states that the person will be notified of their role changing for that night.

All things considered and as good of shape as town is in right now, I would either no lynch or maybe just get rid of the dead weight that isn't being active in helping us find scum. Ace you claim that you're a mason with Chuck. I would imagine that you know who Chuck "is". As such, if we do a random lynch of someone not active in this game I would like you to be the one to pick so we don't out Chuck until Chuck is ready to state who they are with a guilty verdict.

[ace1217]

Honestly? I love risk seems to be the way to go, I supported lynching suspect in the first place, and i love risk seems to have dropped off the radar.... vote i love risk.

[LSU Tiger Josh]

Vote I love risk dead weight and possible scum that didn't send in an action.

[strokem1257]

vote i love risk for not posting in forever and not logging in since July 31....

[Fircoal]

Vote: I love risk same reasons as above.

Btw I didn't state my role didn't change only because I thought that I had previously. >w<

[AceArtemis]

I've been busy the last few days, so forgive my lack of postage.

After reading through, I think LSU's logic is pretty sound. Since we have lots of information roles claimed, the mafia can't kill all of them at once. I agree that we should just get rid of inactives and use our power roles to find the scum.

Vote: ILR

[william18]

Vote ILR

No kills+never posts= reasonably good links and case

[Nzen]

By my count, I love risk has 6 votes of eight necessary, at ace1217's behest. Obviously, all of us - myself included - didn't want to dredge through the whole thread for tells. Nevertheless, a reread suggests his lynch will net almost nothing.

Suspect101 claimed as vanilla town during day 1 with only three votes out of ten. Given the traditionally weak leads on day one or enough time, suspect ought to have reasonably expected a cop-check. A mafiosi has strong disincentives to falseclaim under such little pressure on day one. Not revealing Chuck has some priority, but lynching a (very likely) town deadbeat is worse than no lynch at all. I know we repeat these testaments of faith every game; but, this isn't a shot in the dark because of the prior, unlikely claim.

The tells are ambiguous, as usual. I prefer captainwalrus for the scummy behavior I identified on day two and the 50% chance Talapus' failed conversion suggests. Yet, the long day makes a bandwagon shift unlikely and boring, so consider it for tomorrow. I vote we not lynch anyone.

[Fircoal]

but lynching a (very likely) town deadbeat is worse than no lynch at all.

how? Unless ILR gets replaced there is no reason to keep him around. Also there is the chance that he is scum and/or that he survives to the end and makes no lynches because he's a wasted body with no vote. (In lylo that could make the scum win even if they shouldn't. D:)

[Nzen]

Unless ILR gets replaced there is no reason to keep him around. Also there is the chance that he is scum and/or that he survives to the end and makes no lynches because he's a wasted body with no vote. (In lylo that could make the scum win even if they shouldn't. D:)

The debate over deadbeats is entirely superstitious on both sides, so we can't convince one another. Nonetheless, this situation is slightly different.

If I love risk and suspect101 had not said anything substantive during the whole game, perhaps like Hologram, then I would agree and vote with the bandwagon. There, the unknown reverts to the binary (but not 50%) chance that he could be mafia. Instead, suspect101 claimed as a vanilla town player on day 1 with only three of ten votes on him.

Such a strategy makes no sense for scum. Unless another player really fouled up but escaped a full lynch, he makes a prime target for our cop. Even if the cop delayed night one, a nineteen person game ought to last long enough that the cop would eventually check his alignment some other night. Suspect would have ensured his lynch on day two if he were mafia.

The strategy is somewhat reasonable if he is town. In that case, he diffuses the bandwagon before it reached a critical mass. If the cop checks him, he might even have an ally down the road if he attracted another bandwagon.

Because a mafia player has such a great risk of investigation with such an early falseclaim, I conclude suspect101/iloverisk has little chance of turning up scum. The other truculent players (hologram, sam_levi_11) offer a likelier benefit because they haven't actively encouraged their own investigation. Lynching him, we push ourselves closer to lynch or lose because we almost certainly decrease town's proportion. Again, I explain this, not to convince you, but show why I will not vote with the bandwagon.

[AceArtemis]

Since the mafia had a recruiter, there is still a chance ILR got recruited to the mafia on Night 1. I'm still in favor of dropping our dead weight and seeing what our power roles come up with tomorrow.

[Nzen]

I despise spilling blood unnecessarily.

I vote for I love risk.

I was going to compromise with a hammer vote, but it doesn't matter. You still need someone else to wake up to complete this bandwagon. Whether I vote afterward or now makes me no less culpable.

[Nzen]

Just in case / is a rule worshipper I unvote not lynching to vote for i love risk. It seems that sort of bean counting ought to be easier than trying to decipher lovo > voldy > lord voldemort ect, but I have seen mods passive agressively refuse to count it.

[Talapus]

I despise spilling blood unnecessarily.

I vote for I love risk.

I was going to compromise with a hammer vote, but it doesn't matter. You still need someone else to wake up to complete this bandwagon. Whether I vote afterward or now makes me no less culpable.

Awake I've been, but I hate this idea as well. There are at least two people in here that would make a better lynch candidate(You being one of them, no offense).....but voting off an inactive?!? Isn't it the mods responsibility to find a replacement. This is a waste of our time and quite frankly I'm surprised some of the mafia vets in this game are actually backing this idea up. I won't be the one to hammer on the principal that this idea rarely flies in other games but for some reason it's ok here......seriously people, try harder.

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Vote count


I love risk; 7 votes: ace1217, LSU Tiger Josh, strokem1257, Fircoal, AceArtemis, william18, Nzen

With 14 alive it takes 8 to lynch

Sorry, I haven't really been paying attention to who has been posting or not. Does anyone here want me to look for another replacement?

[ace1217]

Vote count


I love risk; 7 votes: ace1217, LSU Tiger Josh, strokem1257, Fircoal, AceArtemis, william18, Nzen

With 14 alive it takes 8 to lynch

Sorry, I haven't really been paying attention to who has been posting or not. Does anyone here want me to look for another replacement?

Don't think its a good idea at this point but if risk manages to survive today, you should go look for a replacement.

[Fircoal]

Vote count


I love risk; 7 votes: ace1217, LSU Tiger Josh, strokem1257, Fircoal, AceArtemis, william18, Nzen

With 14 alive it takes 8 to lynch

Sorry, I haven't really been paying attention to who has been posting or not. Does anyone here want me to look for another replacement?

He didn't even post since you had him in... I bet he didn't even look at his pm! How would you not know!

I despise spilling blood unnecessarily.

I vote for I love risk.

I was going to compromise with a hammer vote, but it doesn't matter. You still need someone else to wake up to complete this bandwagon. Whether I vote afterward or now makes me no less culpable.

Awake I've been, but I hate this idea as well. There are at least two people in here that would make a better lynch candidate(You being one of them, no offense).....but voting off an inactive?!? Isn't it the mods responsibility to find a replacement. This is a waste of our time and quite frankly I'm surprised some of the mafia vets in this game are actually backing this idea up. I won't be the one to hammer on the principal that this idea rarely flies in other games but for some reason it's ok here......seriously people, try harder.

I don't have faith in finding a replacement D:

[Talapus]

I don't have faith in finding a replacement D:

The sad fact is that I've pretty much already come to that conclusion myself.....lol

[sam_levi_11]

Should i hammer?