[FINISHED] Board Game Mafia: Endgame - Piece of Peace

[LSU Tiger Josh]

Dead chat is over rated. Also for 3rd party type roles with no new info that isn't already out there, they can be used as possible replacements. IB's vote on me was rather weak. Yes, I was quite absent day 1. Day 1 I hate plus I was sick. A simple check on my cc games would have showed you that I missed several turns in that time span so it wasn't just a matter of avoiding this. We need to find the cult leader because cults can tend to overpower town if the recruiting faction of it isn't shut off asap.

IB's claimed post restriction makes me think they might have a jailer in this game from monopoly who threw IB in jail without passing go and collecting 200 dollars. However it does seem rather convenient that he can't talk this day after his wasted vote yesterday on voting an inactive even AFTER we had a confession given by the eventual lynchee.

[Metsfanmax]

How do you propose that we "find the cult leader?"

[mandalorian2298]

OK, I'm back and I'm no longer pissed off. Here we go again:

As I said, we will see. If we get two scum lynched in two days, I'll probably switch to scum. If 4 townies are killed in 2 days (and 2 nights), I'll probably switch to town, especially if there was a good/fun role which got killed. The problem is I don't know what abilities roles have, as there is probably no "Town Cop" but instead he could be named "Town Dice Thrower", so choosing the abilities may be interesting. If a townie is close to a lynch, I suggest a full claim so when I hammer, I know what I will get if I choose that player.

Are you saying that you don't want to go with a winning team? Why?

This is a game, remember? I'll probably want to make it more interesting than pure winning.

He asked why you werent considering joining his team.... Basically he asked if he should nightkill you tonight and you said yes...

Firstly, I would like to nominate this for the "Most Punisher-like Post of the Year" award. (since we now know that Winge followed through and NKed dakky)

@Josh I am glad that you are feeling better. That being said, my FOS stays on you, and I will tell you my reason. There is a Cult Leader out and about and no other scum role benefits thrives so much on submarining as the Cult Leader and you, through no fault of your own, ended up with a "Get out of Day 1 conversation FREE" pass. Because of this I will be carefuly watching your Day 2 level of activity.

So, it appears that we have a Cult to deal with as well and this is bad news indeed. While my vote stays on BuJaber, whom I am certain beyond resonable doubt to be a member of Monopoli Mafia, I would gladly trade him in for a slightly used Cult Leader.

Worse yet, the only way to get him is via a lynch, since the Vigilante has been offed. We could hope that the Mafia does our job for us, but currently they have more reason to fight the Town then the Cult, since they are badly outnumbered by Town (especially once we lynch BuJaber) but, by contrast, completely immune to Cult recruitment.

In other bad news, if I read this "action miller" thing correctly, all the whodunnit investigators can throw their Night 1 results in the trash, since they all probably got Wing as an answer.

All in all, I have it seems like there is no way to find out who the Cult Leader is before he recruits someone on N2. Unless...!

[mandalorian2298]

Hey Hotshot, who are you going to recruit on Night 2?

[strike wolf]

It's nice to see you LSU but do you want to talk about something other than IB?

Bujaber, I stand by my action to put Tim back at L-2. So so sorry, I ruined your attempt to divert attention back away from you.

IB and Bujaber are my top two cult leader candidates right now. More on why later when I have time for a longer post.

[Metsfanmax]

I think BuJaber is more likely to be scum than cult leader. Any moderately competent individual who is a cult leader would know not to draw too much negative attention to themselves, especially on D1. (Which is why I also like LSU TJ for the role, especially after that last comment.)

[LSU Tiger Josh]

While the statement may be true in regards to skipping day 1 I wouldn't skip my cc games just to prove that point. Cult leader would be a fun role to have but its not me.

[LSU Tiger Josh]

Mandy crazy as it may sound how many people can you go to in one night

[mandalorian2298]

Mandy crazy as it may sound how many people can you go to in one night

UNFOS Josh.

Just the one.

How many do you think that I can go to?

[mandalorian2298]

BTW Strike, since we are buddies and everything, would you do me a favor and re-read pages 5 and 9, just for fun.

[LSU Tiger Josh]

I have you with more than one last night including the departed cult member.

[mandalorian2298]

I have you with more than one last night including the departed cult member.

Well, if you have me just with Wing and X, then X is the true result and Wing was just scrambling your read with his action-miller mojo. If you have me with Wing and more then one other, then there is more then one action-miller in the game and you might want to consider giving us at least the number. I doubt that however and I think that you received only X and Wing.

Assuming the first is correct, at least we can now interpret other results from Night 1. If the result is Wing, that means nobody (except if somoene was Watching dakky). If the result is Wing + some other guys, then the true result is some other guys.

However, if there is more than one Tracker, and one of Trackers received ONLY Wing as a result, it would be well worthy of a claim, since 1) that is our best bet for finding the Cult Leader and 2) if the scum try to falsely accuse someone, there is a good chance that there is a Tracker or a Watcher out there who can counter-claim them.

I am pretty sure about the identities of the remaining two Monopoly Mobsters (BuJaber and another that I will name tomorrow after giving you guys a chance to reread the pages 5 and 9, because I'm a sporting sort of fellow ) and I doubt that Mafia started with more then three given there is also a Cult; so if we manage to nail the Cult Leader today, we might as well break out the bubbly.

[Metsfanmax]

I am pretty sure about the identities of the remaining two Monopoly Mobsters

Why do you think mafia is all Monopoly mafia? Perhaps you have information that we do not?

[BuJaber]

Ahm... I'm quite confident that I consistently pointed to dakky NOT BEING AN ISSUE. My problem with dakky was him saying that he would go for the team that was losing. You can't just make up stuff, BuJaber. Was it misrepresentation or do you think I was unclear?

OK so I double checked.. and WOW, I can't believe it.. I was basing my opinion of you on a few posts this whole time but it turned out I had misread one of dakky's posts when he was explaining his plan. I owe you an apology. This is why I read dakky as one thing and you read him as the complete opposite. Sorry about that. This is great, I am much clearer now. No longer suspecting Ragian.

OK, I'm back and I'm no longer pissed off. Here we go again:

So, it appears that we have a Cult to deal with as well and this is bad news indeed. While my vote stays on BuJaber, whom I am certain beyond resonable doubt to be a member of Monopoli Mafia, I would gladly trade him in for a slightly used Cult Leader.

Worse yet, the only way to get him is via a lynch, since the Vigilante has been offed. We could hope that the Mafia does our job for us, but currently they have more reason to fight the Town then the Cult, since they are badly outnumbered by Town (especially once we lynch BuJaber) but, by contrast, completely immune to Cult recruitment.

In other bad news, if I read this "action miller" thing correctly, all the whodunnit investigators can throw their Night 1 results in the trash, since they all probably got Wing as an answer.

All in all, I have it seems like there is no way to find out who the Cult Leader is before he recruits someone on N2. Unless...!

I think your opinion of me has been colored for a while now, especially when I fell into the trap you set by urging / to stop extending the deadline. Shame my honest opinion was used against me, but on a positive note, as confusing as this game is for me, I feel like I'm learning new things.
However, I think you're giving me way too much credit. Simply by thinking I could have done all I've done as some sort of performance shows me just how intelligent you are. I, on the other hand did not know what cult was until dakky explained it to me. (I asked him if I'm allowed to ask a general question about mafia games/roles, and then asked him what Wing's role means in general, not specifically this game). So, YEAH, my question for slash was genuine.

Bujaber, I stand by my action to put Tim back at L-2. So so sorry, I ruined your attempt to divert attention back away from you.
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Sorry, what provoked this? I haven't made any decisions in my mind as to which team you're on because I simply can't read you. It was frustrating for me when you unvoted right after my vote, so maybe you're picking up on that. I judged the action alone. It was not enough for me to suspect you.

I think BuJaber is more likely to be scum than cult leader. Any moderately competent individual who is a cult leader would know not to draw too much negative attention to themselves, especially on D1. (Which is why I also like LSU TJ for the role, especially after that last comment.)

Now that there are at least 4 people who strongly suspect me, it would make sense for someone who is potential mafia like yourself to make this comment. I am now a delicious decoy for scum. The only people who suffer are townies with no information.

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Vote Count

BuJaber: (1 vote) mandalorian2298

Metsfanmax: (1 vote) madmitch

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch. You have until Sunday April 17th

[Ragian]

I think I need to reread pp. 5-9. Will do so tonight when I get home.

[strike wolf]

Eh if I had to say right now on who I think is scum probably Hotshot and Bujaber are near the top of both my lists with an eye on Ragian as possible mafia and IB as near definite third party or cult. Why hotshot?

confirm.
vote aladdin or whoever replaces aladdin must not of liked what he was given as a role means he must be naughty lets kill him

Vote Tim For stealing my jokevote... I was going to say that.

From my experience so far, attacking so quick AND voting for a dead/not-yet-replaced player:

confirm.
vote aladdin or whoever replaces aladdin must not of liked what he was given as a role means he must be naughty lets kill him

Sounds VERY scummy. We'll see how the day progress is but currently you're my no.1 target. Disregard the joke vote on mitch.

But now dakky made my jokevote not very funny anymore... so unvote, vote Dakky

Joke vote.

vote Hotshot

His play style has grown old for me. Post something relevant or get lynched. This whole "Busy with life, sorry no time to post,Ill read up and post what I think later." will not be excepted this game by me
This could go for a few others as well but HS has a history of playing like this and it really helps no one. We have short days this game.

Lol, I actually do happen to be in the middle of tax season... lots of tax returns to get done before April 18. But since this is my only currently active game, I will try harder to be active for the next 2 weeks, and after that I won't be significantly busy.

So far today, wing thinks he found scum in ragian by the way he was the second to confirm jokingly... not sure that is a great argument since I've seen lots of people confirm with different phrases in these games, I always figured it was more of a personality thing than alignment indicative. Wing, do you have any examples of games where your theory turned out to be true?

Dakky meanwhile thinks he found scum with the way Tim jokevoted a non-player. Seems he has some history to support that proposition, too. Dakky also seems to be trying to keep the game going a bit more active, so I'm leaning town on him to start with and will unvote my joke vote on him. Along with the reasoning in SW's post, tim looks to have slightly more chance to be scum so far early on day 1 than anyone else yet, so I will vote tim

Votes a now known mafia but with no real input of his own.

As for dakky's strange claim, I'm not sure what to think of it, yet. Sounds like a Jester or Survivor type thing, but who knows? / could have cooked up some crazy hybrid role and, based on the little that I have seen of dakky's playing style I think that he is capable of confusing everyone even with a normal role, so this should make the game fun, at least (or totally unbalance it so we should all start preparing names to hurl at /, just in case. )

Just to clarify: someone must be dead first in order to pick side. I can pick any dead player and get his alignment and role and abilities. So that means if there's a dead cop, I can be cop. If there's a dead godfather... I can continue as godfather. So the confusing part is who to hunt, town or mafia or 3rd party, because all deaths suit me. I can wait till endgame and (example) if it is 4 mafia vs 5 town, I can select dead goon and get mafia win, or if it is clear who the mafia is, select town and win with town.... so this is freaking me out.

FP'd by mitch... see, good for town as I can become some good town role as well if it gets killed early.

Will we know when you pick someone to copy? I'm guessing not, otherwise if you picked scum you'd just get lynched instantly and pick a cop you'd get killed immediately. So effectively, you are like a third party survivor for now since there is little reason to pick a side too early.

States facts. Doesn't come up with any actual opinion.

Also need to apologise for my lack of participation at the start of this game, i hate the joke phase, and am currently on holiday with my family. just getting ready to go to the waterpark in fact...but thought i had better post in case others start thinking i was scummarining.

Admitting to posting just to avoid scummarizing is normally frowned on.... although I assume scum would usually just do it without admitting to it.

Tim, since you are in danger of being lynched tomorrow, have anything to say or want to claim?

Again doesn't really come up with any real opinion. Just quotes general mafia doctrine and comes up with an excuse for it.

While I agree the way BuJaber is talking is ringing some scum bells... remember this is his first forum game here, so it's also possible that he just hasn't learned to talk our lingo yet. It seems like most new people here say things that they think sound reasonable, and then get lynched because it fits the scum profile here. (Such as AoG and his no-lynch day 1's that got him lynched as town more than once.) So I will be waiting a bit longer to pass judgment on BuJaber and remain neutral for now.

My vote will stay on Tim until he claims.

If the name of the game is neutral. Hotshot would be MVP so far.

Looks like wing killed dakky, and then the scum killed wing. Lets us know we are dealing with a scum recruiter now at least... hopefully scum kill him next night lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ussCHoQttyQ&nohtml5=False

So yeah. Other than being an early vote on TIm, Hotshot has done nothing to really add anything to the game. Pretty much everything he said could easily be said by anyone who knows the basics of mafia and was paying attention to the game.

IB:

The case on IB is pretty simple and to the point and the main point is that a town IB usually goes after claimed third party. A mafia IB is even more likely to go after them. Cult IB? don't know. He could act like mafia or he could be more careful to not raise flags and lay low which is basically what he did for the second half of the day. After changing his vote to LSU, he only posted again after being called out. Once when wing pointed out his behavior as inconsistent and second when someone directly asked him to comment. So Third party: Very likely. Cult: Plausible. Town: Very unlikely. Mafia: Unlikely. I would probably call IB the lowest risk, high reward lynch right now but it's kind of boring going after someone who can't defend themselves fully (assuming he is telling the truth about his PR) and I do consider it a little more likely that he is third party than cult after reanalyzing his behavior.

More to come later. Quoting the hotshot part took longer than it should have and I don't have time to flush out the whys on Bujaber and Ragian right now.

[BuJaber]

(BuJaber and another that I will name tomorrow after giving you guys a chance to reread the pages 5 and 9, because I'm a sporting sort of fellow )

You're talking about the white rose?

[HotShot53]

I've limited posts been ga... Mmmppp....mp PR

IB, how post restricted are you? Limited posts or limited what you can say in your posts?

Right now, IB is the top of my list for potential scum, for all the reasons others have already said. Hard to bring new content when everything is said already lol.

BuJaber I still am unsure if he is scum or just newbie. Could be scum newbie lol.

SW, if you look back in my history... the games where I am neutral on most people are usually when I'm town... because I don't know anything, and I have a hard time taking firm positions when I am unsure if I'm actually right or not. My boss always hates it because I answer yes/no questions with "maybe" too often lol. If I was actual scum, I for sure wouldn't bus my teammate on day 1 with a vote like that, I'd be sure to be really leading the case to get full credit.

(And while I am making an effort to check in and not be absent for long periods, I don't really have time to go into more than usual detail this week... it's now almost 3 AM and I have another really long day of work tomorrow... 1 week until tax day.)

[rizky_biznezz]

I'm wondering about hot shot too now.. He is 2 for 2 for the reasons Tim was a suspect.. Firstly joking about voting Aladdin and then for bringing up his usual play style and history lol.. In all fairness though I am pretty neutral at the moment too..

Going to read pages 5 to 9 as suggested

[rizky_biznezz]

@sausage why did u vote dakky when it was fairly clear we were trying to get a Tim Lynch and dakky wasn't really a threat yet?

[mandalorian2298]

(BuJaber and another that I will name tomorrow after giving you guys a chance to reread the pages 5 and 9, because I'm a sporting sort of fellow )

You're talking about the white rose?

I am. I'm not sure that I am right anymore, since my theory was that he and you are remaining Monopoly Mafia but it would then it would make no sense for you to point it out unless you just want to play with royally mess with my mind (in which case I like your play style even more ).

So, here is the half empty side: I am not sure-sure about the white rose being Mafia. What I am sure in is that there is no way in hell that the guy who is as intelligent and as perceptive as you, someone who based on knowing me for 14 pages can get into my mind enough to deduce why I am suspecting the white rose; there is NO WAY, I repeat, that this guy, BuJaber, really missed the fact that dead Tim's role said Mafia while dead Wing's said Cult.

Voting LSU when Tim's wagon was on the way? It can be explained, if with nothing else then with your distrust in me or someone else who was gunning for Tim.

The deadline bluff? It can also be explained by you being a compulsive stickler for the rules (even if there has been no other evidence of this compulsion) even to your detriment.

"Were Tim and Wing in the same Mafia?" thing? I an sorry but there is absolutely no way for me to see that as anything but you playing dumb, and there is only one reason for you doing so that makes sense. Even before the whole white rose demonstration of deduction, it was obvious to me that you don't make mistakes like that except on purpose.

FOS the white rose for the stuff on the pages 5 and 9. The more I think about it, the more I believe that BuJaber is capable of firing off a double-bluff as a last ditch attempt to save the game for the Monopoly Mafia, but luckily, he is low priority target right now, compared to BuJaber and the Cult Leader. Just please store this information in the back of your mind for later Days, in case I snuff it by then. (P.S. Yes I will tell you all why by the end of the Day why)

[BuJaber]

Okay clearly I won't be able to change your mind. Fine, in fact if you trusted me completely at this point it can only be because you have extra information.

I want to point out that there are people who are still seemingly hiding in the shadows. Could be a variety of reasons, but how long can we ignore it?

[mandalorian2298]

I agree, a lot of subamarines around. FOS everyone who hasn't posted yet on Day 2

I have you with more than one last night including the departed cult member.

Well, since you already claimed your role (and since everyone have taken a day off), you might as well say the name of the other so that I can clear you of being the Cult Leader (although it clears neither one of us from the possibility of being Mafia).

I think I need to reread pp. 5-9. Will do so tonight when I get home.

If you are refering to my accusation of white rose, you just need to read p 5 and p 9, although you can never reread too much.

@sausage why did u vote dakky when it was fairly clear we were trying to get a Tim Lynch and dakky wasn't really a threat yet?

Which page is that vote on?

I am pretty sure about the identities of the remaining two Monopoly Mobsters

Why do you think mafia is all Monopoly mafia? Perhaps you have information that we do not?

Because a 16 player game with at least on unligned player (dakky), a Cult Leader and more then one Mafia would be unbalanced.

[madmitch]

why monopoly mafia ? why not some other game ? . will reread posts again.