[SPECIAL] Surprise Mafia - Over - Mafia Wins - MVP Aladdin

[degaston]

Get your asses in here and play.

I've made a few posts, including one to correct your vote, but you didn't respond to my question. I've tended to post more than my share in previous games (HP & Foundation) whether I was town or scum, but there are a lot of people in this, and there's still a lot of time left in D1, so I haven't felt the need to get into it too heavily at the start.

Anyway...
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But we are aware that there is an insane asylum in play.

Can someone explain the implications of this? I can't find any references to it.
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He's not a VT. He's a lyncher or jester or something. I don't know why I initially believed him.

@ Mets why would you not believe me?? I can NOT be a lyncher AND a jester. Why must things be made so black and white?

Mets didn't say that you were a lyncher AND a jester. Why were you so defensive about this?
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I'd think he could be a lyncher, except that lynchers usually have to lynch a role rather than a specific player...

Eh? Lynchers practically always need to lynch a specific player in my experience.

From what I can find, it looks like / is correct. What was your statement based on, HotShot?
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I come from the school of "lynch all liars". As Town I do not lie or tell half truths to serve my win conditions.

What lie would we catch you on? You haven't made any claims about HotShot that can be verified, have you?
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Without anything better to go on right now, I'm inclined to believe IB. I'll give it some more time for discussion before I vote, though.
Got a bad feeling about Storr - or maybe it's just his playing style.

[PLAYER57832]

Real life apologies here. A coworker's house burned, with 2 family members not making it out. We have been scrambling to cover his shifts and deal with things. I am going to try to hold my own until a substitute can be found, but this is not the best time for me to start and learn a brand new game. My mind is on things other than CC. Again, apologies to all.

[PLAYER57832]

IB knows that his head will be on the chopping block if his accusation against HotShot turns out to be false, so the only worry for us is that he IS in fact a Jester or something similar and lynching HotShot wins the game for him and not for Town. I think I might be prepared to take the chance and lynch HotShot, but it would be good to hear more from HotShot as to why we should spare him.
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This sounds reasonable to me, but then I am new at this game...

If I am still in game, I vote HOT SHOT. If not, sorry. Sometimes real life just invades.

[Whatsausage]

Well this is my tenth and final [post] for D1 I will try to make some sense of this game, first UNVOTE , I have not seen anything scummy about Hot Shot so far unless I.B. knows something we do not. Is I.B. one of the TRAITORS Skoffin was talking about.Then we have Mets with that picture of that asshole Bieber, it gives me the shivers ,we have Mars asking Storr if he is town,but Storr is the one i find scummier than the rest with the controlling of the game telling us when the jokes end,the on and on rant about the VIG, and being hostile against both I.B. and PT lowe for there scum read on him, so NO VOTE for now until I get more info on this I.B. claim

Care to explain the first sentence of this mitch? You made it seem like you had a post limit, but have continued posting since then. What did you mean?

Also, while we do have plenty of time left, I don't think we will get anything better than IB's claim to go on today. I will unvote vote hotshot. The only thing that holds me back about this, is that if true, it is a completely raw deal for hotshot. I am not particularly afraid of IB being a lyncher, because even if he is, I doubt we would all be endgamed if all he has to do is lynch one player. This is really the worst case scenario, as then we would move into D2 without gaining much information today, but even then, we would likely have eliminated a threat to town. I suppose one could argue that hotshot is some BP super role on the town's side and scum know about it and IB is trading himself out to eliminate this, but I would say this is unlikely at best.

IB, you said you gained clearance to claim you full role? Do you plan on doing this?

[thechuck51]

So IB could town and knows hot shot is anti-town or IB is a lyncher and would make his win-con if we lynch hot shot.

If I remember all the posts I read through correctly, now that he has outed hot shot, IB is essentially a VT.

What about lynching IB? worse case scenario he is town and hot shot becomes an obvious vig target or can be lynched tomorrow.

If IB is a lyncher, then hooray for us.

Not saying we should do it now but if no other lynch target pops up and people really think IB is a lyncher its something we should consider.

[thechuck51]

I did another quick read through and I hadn't considered IB being a Jester (however unlikely that may be) so nevermind

@IB do you know any other players alignment (besides yourself and hot shot)?

[Metsfanmax]

We shouldn't care about whether IB is a jester or a lyncher from the perspective of whether he succeeds. If you're playing mafia, your goal is to get your team to win, not to stop some other faction from winning. So if you are town, it doesn't matter to you whether IB gets the lynch he wants. What matters from the perspective of lynching HS is whether HS is a threat to town or not.

[StorrZerg]

Yep mets. I agree.

[Iron Butterfly]

With only needing 11 and seeing how many are present I suggest we try and gather other information as I believe the person being considered for lynch is mafia. ANTI TOWN Yes. Mafia no.

People keep asking the same questions of me. ALL the information I can give I have given so I am tired of repeating myself.

[Iron Butterfly]

With only needing 11 and seeing how many are present I suggest we try and gather other information as I believe the person being considered for lynch is mafia. ANTI TOWN Yes. Mafia no.

People keep asking the same questions of me. ALL the information I can give I have given so I am tired of repeating myself.

Gawd sorry for confusion.

The person is ANTI TOWN. I do not believe mafia.

[thechuck51]

We shouldn't care about whether IB is a jester or a lyncher from the perspective of whether he succeeds. If you're playing mafia, your goal is to get your team to win, not to stop some other faction from winning. So if you are town, it doesn't matter to you whether IB gets the lynch he wants. What matters from the perspective of lynching HS is whether HS is a threat to town or not.

ok so at the end of the day we lynch hot shot. i'm guessing he some sort of SK and I'd rather lynch him than mafia so as to reduce the number of possible night kills.

[AladdinSane]

AND also tells me that N! will be fairly chaotic if there is no need for the special effect to continue.

I think this is an interesting way of phrasing things, and that IB is trying to tell us something here. I think he is trying to tell us that on N1, if HotShot is not lynched on D1, HotShot will break a number of other murderous loonies out of the asylum. IB does not know who these others are.

The escaped loonies will be why N1 will be fairly chaotic. The reason for the special effect is because the currently incarcerated loonies will all refuse to vote HotShot for obvious reasons, making it difficult or impossible (depending on how many there are) to get a lynch if 15 votes are required.

Speculating further: we need 11 to lynch, suggesting that there are 20 votes available for lynching HS (20/2 +1 = 11). That would further suggest 7 incarcerated loonies. 20 + 7 incarcerated loonies + 1 HS = 28.

Bottom line: If HotShot isn't lynched on D1, we get mayhem on a large scale.

There's plenty of time, so I won't vote just yet. Will wait for further discussion. IB, if you are permitted to somehow confirm or deny any of this, please do so.

[thechuck51]

anybody else find it funny how much alladinsane seems to know about IB's role?

[madmitch]

@ Sausage nice catch, just threw that in there to see if anyone was reading the posts or just skimming through. Talking about post restrictions maybe Tim has one and that is why the mod told some players to have spelling mistakes in their posts so we would not miss him

[pancakemix]

Seriously though, to what end would the vig claim? I read your explanation, but are you not concerned about scum influence on their action?

not really. any action used on the vig means an open playing field for what ever else town has. Vig at best can kill an anti town. Vig at worse can kill a town. Vig could also be lynched, because we wouldn't believe the claim latter in the game.

pcm what do you think of the idea that skoffin is trying to let mafia know he is the traitor?

I was referring to the idea that scum might "suggest" certain targets in the guise of town support. When a pr is out, people will try to suggest targets. It happens. And it'll come from all sides. Also worth considering: busdriver or other redirector role.

Not sure on Skoffin. That's something you really need to see in context to get a full view of. That, and having reason to believe there might be traitors, which, at the moment, I see nothing but this post. Unless you have reason to believe that there might be...?

i really want to slap you slash... i can write paragraphs about why its important to move the stage of the game past a joke stage. Additionally, me trying to skip the joke stage does not have a direct correlation with people voting or not voting by the end of the game. If anything it has a net positive gain on forcing people to have to commit to a vote that isn't a joke vote. Something that can be analysed. To which, it would be terrible to have people at the end of the day with joke votes still out.

So the move was 100% intentional, i'm eager to find and lynch scum this game.

Have you considered that some of us might want to have fun?

Probably not intentional, but if it is a scum play, it's genius, so Minor FOS on Storr.

Holy shit. You're so right.

On the other hand: only scum would even think of this to begin with, so vote /.

Guys, I know WIFOM gets thrown around way too much. But this is WIFOM. This is what WIFOM actually looks like.

I love the irony of Storr getting joke-voted for hating joke votes. Y'all do me proud.

@AladdinSane did you mean to just vote?

Some people have fun with jokes
I have fun by winning.

Maybe enjoy the climb and not the summit?

Also, I'm sick of reading about this but it's literally the only thing of note going on in the thread. Dear Christ.

OK Joke vote over then.

I am going to claim.

I am Town "Insane Asylum Guard". For all practical purposes I am a Vanilla Townie. My role is very simple. I can save Town, in a limited fashion, a lot of problems. Certain things I can not say but you can read between the lines. You have two choices. You can lynch me as I have no problem taking one for the team if you need to verify my claim but that would be stupid or you can ....

LYNCH HOTSHOT

I feel it better and smarter to do this at beginning of game.

With a game of 28 players there must be a variety of factions and kill roles.

Now we shall see what can be mustered vote wise.

My vote stays.

Ah, that's what I was looking for.

Thanks. My Bad.

VOTE HOTSHOT

@Storr.... Use your head. Your usually the cerebral logical one. Without claiming the information I have provided would have been lost.

I think you are claiming self aware miller that flips as mafia if you die. you don't have to confirm. But wink. If so that's truly a bastard role. Almost as much as a death miller. That shits dumb as rocks.


I find ib to be town for his actions.

We were promised bastard roles. Worth pointing out.

Wow. A VT as a guard in an insane asylum. I don't understand how a VT would know whom we should lynch, though. But we are aware that there is an insane asylum in play. I bet there will be something about it in the scenes.

I'm on the fence here. It would be nice to have a solid to go after, but how can a VT obtain such information D1 even if he is a guard at the insane asylum?

I did not say I was a VT. I said for all practical purposes I am a VT. There is a difference. I have fulfilled my purpose. I have brought attention to someone who needs to be lynched.

@ Mets why would you not believe me?? I can NOT be a lyncher AND a jester. Why must things be made so black and white?

I can also say you are partially correct. I am Town. I win with Town with a caveat. You are free to ignore me, lynch me or whatever but eventually when the bodies start piling up I have given information useful to Town.

God a hate this obsessive compulsive obsession to reply to everyone who questions my sincerity.

http://www.greekmyths-greekmythology.co ... cassandra/

Well, despite jester/lyncher being unlikely, when your only evidence is your word, that doesn't do you any favors. But I know that feel bro;there's a reason Cassandra was my profile pic for a while there...

That said, can't get behind your push without something more concrete. I know you'll say you can't say, but that'show it goes.

Get your asses in here and play.

7. pancakemix

I have a feeling we will not hear from several of these players ever. If I made a mistake on list sorry. It is not a list of who I think is scum but more about participation.

Oh, for f*ck's sake, it'd hardly been 24 hours at that point...

Also, can people just say what they're thinking in one post? I'm tired of seeing 5 consecutive posts of worthless crap from one person...

Real life apologies here. A coworker's house burned, with 2 family members not making it out. We have been scrambling to cover his shifts and deal with things. I am going to try to hold my own until a substitute can be found, but this is not the best time for me to start and learn a brand new game. My mind is on things other than CC. Again, apologies to all.

Sorry to hear. Hope all is well.

anybody else find it funny how much alladinsane seems to know about IB's role?

Seems more like guesswork to me. What makes you so sure that Aladdin's correct?

[rishaed]

With only needing 11 and seeing how many are present I suggest we try and gather other information as I believe the person being considered for lynch is mafia. ANTI TOWN Yes. Mafia no.

People keep asking the same questions of me. ALL the information I can give I have given so I am tired of repeating myself.

So by antitown here are you stating hes not just 3rd party, but has a killing role as 3rd party? I'll take silence as a yes, because thats how im reading it, but hotshots response so far has been... lackluster at best.

[Ragian]

Obviously, hotshot needs to say more.

Now, while chuck thinks Alladin may know too much, I like the speculation. In fact, there COULD be reason that a) we need four less for a lynch and b) that so many are not posting: They're locked in an insane asylum. If we kill hotshot (who, I presume, is letting them out N1 by doing something), they can't get out to vote and are thus modkilled.

The above, of course, is pure speculation, but it does sound like dakky sprinting across the field with streaker and epi trying to steer him But perhaps it's too much to hold some players hostage like that so I don't even think that it's plausible.

unvote - no fair to have my vote on the new guy who can't defend himself. Joke's over. That joke, storr, that joke only. And yes, we've had a death miller in a TNC game. Cooldeals was off his tit when he flipped scum to us.

I will vote hotshot eventually unless he does something extraordinary. If nothing else then to hear his role.

[Metsfanmax]

It literally makes no sense for there to be 8 players who cannot vote and would therefore be modkilled if we don't do anything. Pure absurdity. Stop speculating like that.

[Marashu]

Not much time, but just wanted to ask, why HotShot specifically? If it was part of your role, then I think it's odd that information about anti-town is given out right out the gate, especially since you act as though you do not have an N0 action. At that point, if town knows anti-town right away, why even bother?

I'm leaning towards believing you and am willing to vote HotShot, but that has been nagging at me.

[LSU Tiger Josh]

Skoffin already stated that she was joking. To the one that asked about her posting in red earlier, she always posts in red. In past games we lynched her for it, but it didn't do any good since she'll do it as town, scum, and other.

are you saying she is incapable of making a play like that? Follow up, if there was a traitor in the game, Joking about it would be a great way to tip off mafia. Following that, of course its going to be admitted as a joke, why the hell would anyone say that it was an admittance of guilt lol?

Incapable no but i would say very unlikely

We don't need to claim roles today unless they are at a point of getting lynched. That is scummy as hell.

SO would you deem ib as scummy then?

normal conditions I would find it suspicious, but if the hypotesis going around with hotshot releasing bad guys tonight is true, than I would say it was worth it.

Storr we'll joke vote until we feel like stopping. Stop trying to control that aspect especially when we don't have a cop with a guilty verdict at this point.

can't help it. idc for the joke phase. and i do like controlling the game, im a very vocal person.

as a mod i hate it, but as a player it's not a big deal

Vote hotshot explain to us why we should not lynch you based off of IB's testimony

[Iron Butterfly]

AND also tells me that N! will be fairly chaotic if there is no need for the special effect to continue.

I think this is an interesting way of phrasing things, and that IB is trying to tell us something here. I think he is trying to tell us that on N1, if HotShot is not lynched on D1, HotShot will break a number of other murderous loonies out of the asylum. IB does not know who these others are.

The escaped loonies will be why N1 will be fairly chaotic. The reason for the special effect is because the currently incarcerated loonies will all refuse to vote HotShot for obvious reasons, making it difficult or impossible (depending on how many there are) to get a lynch if 15 votes are required.

Speculating further: we need 11 to lynch, suggesting that there are 20 votes available for lynching HS (20/2 +1 = 11). That would further suggest 7 incarcerated loonies. 20 + 7 incarcerated loonies + 1 HS = 28.

Bottom line: If HotShot isn't lynched on D1, we get mayhem on a large scale.

There's plenty of time, so I won't vote just yet. Will wait for further discussion. IB, if you are permitted to somehow confirm or deny any of this, please do so.

NO. I am simply using common sense. The lower number of votes, I assume is to help reach a consensus day one easier. It would be harder for mafia/anti Towns to stonewall in hopes of a no lynch, which would benefit the bad guys.

It also tells me that night one will have several deaths so the numbers may be thinned.

I have used the full extent of my role...AGAIN I have stated this several times.

[mtamburini]

I MADE IT

[mtamburini]

I think this might be the first time I read the rules there is a shit tonne of people in this game

[Iron Butterfly]

anybody else find it funny how much alladinsane seems to know about IB's role?

IF Town roles are based around the Security of an Asylum or something to that effect then that tell me why that would be funny??

It tells me there may be something funny about you as well.

Why are you looking for other people to agree with you instead of making a case or you own theory. It almost seems you are putting bait out there hoping people bite.

Your leaning scum to me.

[thechuck51]

I can say this as well. I do not need to be involved with specific lynches. It does not have to happen today or even tommorow but as the game wears on eventually it WILL need to be addressed. All your doing is giving more potential kills or havoc to anti town.

Here is my current take on IB. I think he is telling teh truth as much as he is allowed to. He might have an insight into Hotshot being scum but i think this is unlikely. I think a more likely possibility, and one that relates directly to his claimed role as a guard in an insane asylum, is that he has an insight into one or more dangerous escaped lunatics who will commit NKs, and that Hotshot might be one of these dangerous lunatics. IB's wincon might be all teh dangerous loonies being dead, which would be in Town's interests - and IB has said that his interests and Town's do fit together.

So, if we lynch Hotshot and he flips Town, it need not necessarily mean IB is scum.

I want to give this more thought, and wait for feedback, but if I am right then lynching Hotshot would be a good for Town.

from "insane asylum guard" he figures that there are a bunch of i guess SK's out there, what IB's win-con is, and even throws in a caveat for hot shot flipping town

AND also tells me that N! will be fairly chaotic if there is no need for the special effect to continue.

I think this is an interesting way of phrasing things, and that IB is trying to tell us something here. I think he is trying to tell us that on N1, if HotShot is not lynched on D1, HotShot will break a number of other murderous loonies out of the asylum. IB does not know who these others are.

The escaped loonies will be why N1 will be fairly chaotic. The reason for the special effect is because the currently incarcerated loonies will all refuse to vote HotShot for obvious reasons, making it difficult or impossible (depending on how many there are) to get a lynch if 15 votes are required.

Speculating further: we need 11 to lynch, suggesting that there are 20 votes available for lynching HS (20/2 +1 = 11). That would further suggest 7 incarcerated loonies. 20 + 7 incarcerated loonies + 1 HS = 28.

Bottom line: If HotShot isn't lynched on D1, we get mayhem on a large scale.

There's plenty of time, so I won't vote just yet. Will wait for further discussion. IB, if you are permitted to somehow confirm or deny any of this, please do so.

now he's taking it a step further saying IB's role is the only thing preventing the release of a bunch of SK's, the fact that you don't know who the other SKs are, that they are why N1 will be chaotic, and essentially says IB is the lynch pin to the whole game since if we don't lynch hotshot the SK's will control the voting, so we HAVE to vote hot shot you guys, but he's not going to vote yet.

maybe his imagination is running wild or maybe he's a little over-eager to help IB get hot shot lynched.


oh and I don't think I noticed any mis-spelled words in that second post? That would be at least the second time he didn't follow his claimed post-restriction.