Double Fanucci Mafia (4/14) Endgame

[StorrZerg]

Sheesh good thing I took a break from studying or I'd be lynched by the time my exam was over.

I don't think it will help town at all, but to save my ass for one night at least (and for a ha ha I told you so) I am the town doctor.

unvote, vote storr because you just sit there pointing fingers hiding behind your buddy. Look where that got us.

tbh, i wouldn't of bothered with you if hadn't of stated mater of factly what hotshot might be.

You made it seem that WHEN hotshot flipped town, i would be the auto lynch next day seemed like setting up the game. Something someone could only do if they had perfect information. If you really don't know his alignment, why bother with such kind of statement.

Also as doc, whats the purpose of drawing so much negative attention the way you did? A lynch/claim was building up, and you go hard defending it with out reason. You dont know what hotshot is, he could be mafia. It could be a good lynch.

Atm, protocol is to let you live today because no one insta counter claimed you. Your stance on what you are, and your attitude about that is believable imo. Yet the way you played leading up to your claim doesn't match a doc player imo.

[StorrZerg]

I think strike is worth looking into. Seems to lack a sense of urgency in his posts compared to how the game is flowing, holding his vote. Has given a few small town reads, but doesn't seem that interested in pushing people this game. The side line approach feels mafia to me.

Unvote
Vote Strike Wolf

[HotShot53]

I think strike is worth looking into. Seems to lack a sense of urgency in his posts compared to how the game is flowing, holding his vote. Has given a few small town reads, but doesn't seem that interested in pushing people this game. The side line approach feels mafia to me.

Unvote
Vote Strike Wolf

IB has been even more on the sidelines than stike... strike just hasn't been around the last couple days... IB has still only given one read the entire game, with his vote on NoS. What are your thoughts on IB?

Well, that was a fast bandwagon... not good that the doc was revealed (I'll assume he's telling the truth at this point)

So IB, now that your one scum read turned out to not be scum, do you have reads on anyone else, either town or scum?

Do you believe the pressure on NoS was unwarranted?

I think the questioning of NoS was fine, but the speed of the bandwagon was unwarranted... with the misunderstanding of the deadline I can understand it a bit, but it was still pretty fast

I am still waiting for any reads on anyone else from you...

[Metsfanmax]

Also as doc, whats the purpose of drawing so much negative attention the way you did? A lynch/claim was building up, and you go hard defending it with out reason. You dont know what hotshot is, he could be mafia. It could be a good lynch.

That is an excellent point that I had not considered. If you (NoS) are doc, there is only a very small chance that the loss of Hotshot represents a potentially greater loss to town than your own loss, so you absolutely should have been laying low.

This isn't enough to get me to switch my vote but I'm going to keep it in mind.

[Iron Butterfly]

I think strike is worth looking into. Seems to lack a sense of urgency in his posts compared to how the game is flowing, holding his vote. Has given a few small town reads, but doesn't seem that interested in pushing people this game. The side line approach feels mafia to me.

Unvote
Vote Strike Wolf

IB has been even more on the sidelines than stike... strike just hasn't been around the last couple days... IB has still only given one read the entire game, with his vote on NoS. What are your thoughts on IB?

Well, that was a fast bandwagon... not good that the doc was revealed (I'll assume he's telling the truth at this point)

So IB, now that your one scum read turned out to not be scum, do you have reads on anyone else, either town or scum?

Do you believe the pressure on NoS was unwarranted?

I think the questioning of NoS was fine, but the speed of the bandwagon was unwarranted... with the misunderstanding of the deadline I can understand it a bit, but it was still pretty fast

I am still waiting for any reads on anyone else from you...

Why are you concerned with my reads? The only reason I did not vote you was the OMGUS factor, which tied my hands to some extent. "Oh Oh Oh...IB voted Hotshot after he called attention to IB" I can hear the rally cry now.

When you say "sideline" are you concerned with the number of posts or the quality? You think I am scum or at least suspect me being scum with your vote AND you point out that my last read outed the doc. Why would you care about my "opinion" since you have already made yours known?

Not this time. I noticed you did not vote NOS even though he was definitely sounding scummy. There was a wagon on you and you were one vote from having to claim. If you are lynched and flip mafia I will easily look like I was trying to save you.

No reason not to finish what was started. To Hell with OMGUS. It will also be interesting to see who crawls out of the woodwork.

Vote Hotshot

[Streaker]

If there is another doc out there, you should claim now. I believe trading 1 doc for 1 mafia is good.
My gut though tells me NoS is speaking true.

Unvote

I firmly resented the case on HotShot, but seeing how everyone is so keen on it, I tried to make something of it.
One of his latest posts did strike me as scummy:

Well, that was a fast bandwagon... not good that the doc was revealed (I'll assume he's telling the truth at this point)

So IB, now that your one scum read turned out to not be scum, do you have reads on anyone else, either town or scum?

How he references that it is not good that the doc was revealed, stating the most obvious obvious ever. Emphasizing a little too much there, is what a scum would do. Also, not making any cases on anyone himself.

This (plus sheeping off of everyone's case on Hotshot), will make me

Vote HotShot

[strike wolf]

Okay back. Sorry all have been sick and while I could have read the game, I was just lucid enough to realize that it probably wasnt a good idea in my present state of mind.

I am unsure that getting a second doc to post is a good idea and am a bit tempted to throw an FoS at Streaker and the rest.

I am also still a little uncertain about Mets though I acknowledge I may have overreacted a bit in my early case I was building.

I do not like Wing's attitude towards the doc claim. It is sending up major red flags in my mind right now.

@Storr: Do you have any established meta for my town play that you are comfortable with? Feel free to elaborate or leave it yes/no as you wish.

Thats all the time I have right now. Sick Wolf out.

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

This is an unofficial prized mafia game. The theme is Double Fanucci (which basically means it is unthemed). I have a custom made double fanucci deck that has some extra cards, so some roles may be surprising. It will be fairly standard, but may be unbalanced and/or have a few unusual roles. No Vanilla.

The reason I am flippant about NoS' Doc claim is very simple. In the Double Fanucci deck there are 174 cards divided into 15 suits and 9 face cards. And moreover, DoomYoshi has modified his deck to have extra cards. Unless anyone here believes that there could be 174 unique roles, a counter claim from another doc is worthless. At no point has it ever been said that we have a doc, one doc or multiple docs. We do not know. If someone else claims doc what do we do? Well suddenly instead of possibly having one doc that mafia knows the identity of we have two! Well done guys that will go well.

The second point about having a random set up is that its really easy for Mafia to claim town roles when forced to claim as there is no way of checking. We pushed NoS to claim, he claimed Town Doc, and suddenly everyone loses the heart to push. The claim doesnt change the fact we thought he was mafia. Do we just let him live throughout the whole game based on the possibility he is town doc? What help is he actually going to offer town when he cannot act unnoticed at night?

So yes I am flippant with the Doc claim, as I dont see how it has made any difference. Or in fact how any claim would make any difference when we dont even know how many mafia there are.

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

Also as doc, whats the purpose of drawing so much negative attention the way you did? A lynch/claim was building up, and you go hard defending it with out reason. You dont know what hotshot is, he could be mafia. It could be a good lynch.

That is an excellent point that I had not considered. If you (NoS) are doc, there is only a very small chance that the loss of Hotshot represents a potentially greater loss to town than your own loss, so you absolutely should have been laying low.

This isn't enough to get me to switch my vote but I'm going to keep it in mind.

The bit that confuses me here, is that Storr is now voting Strikewolf for staying out of the way. Seems like there is no way not to be seen as mafia by Storr under those rules....

[Streaker]

This is an unofficial prized mafia game. The theme is Double Fanucci (which basically means it is unthemed). I have a custom made double fanucci deck that has some extra cards, so some roles may be surprising. It will be fairly standard, but may be unbalanced and/or have a few unusual roles. No Vanilla.

The reason I am flippant about NoS' Doc claim is very simple. In the Double Fanucci deck there are 174 cards divided into 15 suits and 9 face cards. And moreover, DoomYoshi has modified his deck to have extra cards. Unless anyone here believes that there could be 174 unique roles, a counter claim from another doc is worthless. At no point has it ever been said that we have a doc, one doc or multiple docs. We do not know. If someone else claims doc what do we do? Well suddenly instead of possibly having one doc that mafia knows the identity of we have two! Well done guys that will go well.

The second point about having a random set up is that its really easy for Mafia to claim town roles when forced to claim as there is no way of checking. We pushed NoS to claim, he claimed Town Doc, and suddenly everyone loses the heart to push. The claim doesnt change the fact we thought he was mafia. Do we just let him live throughout the whole game based on the possibility he is town doc? What help is he actually going to offer town when he cannot act unnoticed at night?

So yes I am flippant with the Doc claim, as I dont see how it has made any difference. Or in fact how any claim would make any difference when we dont even know how many mafia there are.

I have not considered this when making that statement. I take back what I said about another doc claiming. Not familiar with Double Fanucci (googled it), but yes I should not compare it to a more standard game.

However I do not agree with your conclusion that he cannot walk after the doc claim. It doesn't give him a wildcard for the remainder of the game, but it's a powerfull (and dangerous) claim to make this early. It's a normal thing that a push loses momentum after a strong claim. Surprising you are still this willing to lynch a claimed doc.

Maybe a full claim from NoS could work.

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

Surprising you are still this willing to lynch a claimed doc.

And if we dont? What happens when the next person gets to L-1? They claim town cop and we all back off?

[rishaed]

show: Hole

show: Diggingdeeper

[StorrZerg]

Surprising you are still this willing to lynch a claimed doc.

And if we dont? What happens when the next person gets to L-1? They claim town cop and we all back off?

Well they should claim before that, and so what. Thus is the game of mafia.

[StorrZerg]

Hotshot define exactly what you want. I've been pretty blunt with my opinions this game.

[Streaker]

Surprising you are still this willing to lynch a claimed doc.

And if we dont? What happens when the next person gets to L-1? They claim town cop and we all back off?

You suggesting we don't ask for claims anymore, and just lynch?

It would be perfectly fine if, say Hotshot, claims cop when he is at L-2 next (example). We'll back off and he will do his cop thing to help town to a victory, or later in the game he will fall into the self-dug grave of claiming cop (having 3 checked players and they just happen to all be dead for instance). Either way, helpfull to town.

What you are suggesting is very detrimental to the winning chances of town...

Unvote, vote Wing

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

You suggesting we don't ask for claims anymore, and just lynch?

An individual claim only has worth if we also massclaim. A doc may or may not be a powerful role for us. We do not know. We all have powerroles. Acting on a snipet of a sample is a bad move when the mafia group hold far more information. Only mafia know the truth of NoS's claim and they will maneuver the crowd accordingly until such a time that we end up lynching a townie.

I have no objections to a massclaim.

[Army of GOD]

Only mafia know the truth of NoS's claim

what?


how would the mafia know or not?

[StorrZerg]

Only mafia know the truth of NoS's claim

what?


how would the mafia know or not?

Because either he is mafia and they know it's a lie.

Or he is the doc.

It's unlikely he is a random bad town role or 3rd party.
Hence why mafia knows

[Army of GOD]

oh, duh


I was thinking specifically about them knowing he was the doc, not sure how they would know that, but yeah, they would know if he's scum or not scum

[Metsfanmax]

I think we have to assume there are third party in this game, it's DoomYoshi.

[strike wolf]

So I read over the C9 game where Wing is now proven town just to confirm that his behavior was not just do to inexperience. The difference was fairly striking.

In that game, Wing appeared reasonably confident and analytical. I will not say it wasnt without flaws and I disagreed with much of the results of his thoughts but overll he gave an air of experience in that game that is absent from how I have read him this game where he appears more defensive and inexperienced.

Vote Wing

[DoomYoshi]

Vote Count
NoSurvivors (2) - Wing, mtamburini
strike wolf (1) - StorrZerg
Streaker (2) - TeeGee, virus90
Wing Cmdr Ginkapo (3) - rishaed, Streaker, strike wolf
Hotshot (3) - Army of GOD, metsfanmax, Iron Butterfly
StorrZerg (2) - Tails, NoSurvivors
Iron Butterfly (1) - Hotshot53

With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch.

[HotShot53]

Why are you concerned with my reads? The only reason I did not vote you was the OMGUS factor, which tied my hands to some extent. "Oh Oh Oh...IB voted Hotshot after he called attention to IB" I can hear the rally cry now.

When you say "sideline" are you concerned with the number of posts or the quality? You think I am scum or at least suspect me being scum with your vote AND you point out that my last read outed the doc. Why would you care about my "opinion" since you have already made yours known?

Not this time. I noticed you did not vote NOS even though he was definitely sounding scummy. There was a wagon on you and you were one vote from having to claim. If you are lynched and flip mafia I will easily look like I was trying to save you.

No reason not to finish what was started. To Hell with OMGUS. It will also be interesting to see who crawls out of the woodwork.

Vote Hotshot

I am concerned with your reads because you haven't made any, and are just skating by making generic posts that don't actually help town any. I am concerned with the quality of your posts, as there is no significant content there.

I did not vote NoS because he didn't sound that scummy to me, and only you had voted him at that time... the rest of the bandwagon formed and crashed before I was on again.

If there is another doc out there, you should claim now. I believe trading 1 doc for 1 mafia is good.
My gut though tells me NoS is speaking true.

Unvote

I firmly resented the case on HotShot, but seeing how everyone is so keen on it, I tried to make something of it.
One of his latest posts did strike me as scummy:

Well, that was a fast bandwagon... not good that the doc was revealed (I'll assume he's telling the truth at this point)

So IB, now that your one scum read turned out to not be scum, do you have reads on anyone else, either town or scum?

How he references that it is not good that the doc was revealed, stating the most obvious obvious ever. Emphasizing a little too much there, is what a scum would do. Also, not making any cases on anyone himself.

This (plus sheeping off of everyone's case on Hotshot), will make me

Vote HotShot

So, you had to search to find a reason to join the bandwagon to replace your earlier town read, which you repeated just yesterday? And I have made a case, on IB... Meanwhile, you have now followed IB onto 2 bandwagons.

At least your joining the Wing bandwagon has a slight reason.... although I think wing is more of a newb than scum

Hotshot define exactly what you want. I've been pretty blunt with my opinions this game.

Have you given an opinion on IB? I don't recall one recently... and he has been doing what you voted strike for, only more so.

[StorrZerg]

Yet that's not what you asked for. You implied that I haven't been giving reads, and you are waiting for them.



I'll get to ib today, just for you. Before NoS claim I hadn't thought of him much, and his push seemed ok at the time, so I wasn't concerned also you pushing him, I didn't care for your accusation.

I got a lot of rereading to do. Probably get 3 or so in depth reads out by Monday.

[strike wolf]

I asked a question Storr. Do you want to acknowledge it?