War on terrorism Dakky lynched: Nato & Russia win

[Iron Butterfly]

Wings ridiculous D1 reads:

IB, Bujaber and PTLowe are town.

BG and Talapus are mafia.

Epi is ISIS

Rest are survivors.

So why are we attempting to lynch a survivor? Logically there is minimal reason not to lynch PT as the most likely town..... hehe.

Perhaps you may wish to ask yourself the same question? I would thin you would be voting for Epi,BG or Talapus?

Why are you voting a 3rd party survivor?

Unvote Dakky

[ptlowe]

I'll go with your logic wing unvote vote epi

[Ragian]

vote Mandy

You may call it a wasted vote. And to some degree, I agree. But I implore you to look at this:

In the game I am part of NATO

Good enough. unvote vote dakky as much as I preferred the case against Epi, proven scum is proven.

So BuJaber, now that you have your Mason, what do you plan to do with him?

Clearly hinges on unfounded info. Then:

WOW! Now you have told a new story Dakky, but since it is between you and me I will claim, I am Qatar a NATO sided village survivor.

OK, I unvote.

And vote Epi since, once again, it appears that I have been right about everything ever from the start.

Unvotes dakky because of mitch's claim...?

Goes back to epi. Now, the following is going to be difficult to get people behind because it involves cognitive dissonance: Mandy votes dakky (the heat of the debate), but when mitch comes "clean", Mandy changes his vote back to epi (safe option). Now, my point is not necessarily that neither dakky nor mitch is bad, but more that Mandy - the experienced and determined and what not player switches from an L-1 vote to voting someone who's not going to get lynched.

SOMEONE PHRASE THIS TO MAKE IT MAKE SENSE WHILE I SLEEP IT OFF!

[madmitch]

I agree with you Ragian Mandys change of vote is weird , actually scummy. @ Dakky sorry I was wrong, glad we did not kill a good guy UNVOTE VOTE MANDY

[Iron Butterfly]

I hear you Ragion.

I still wish to hear Wings reply.

[dakky21]

I agree with you Ragian Mandys change of vote is weird , actually scummy. @ Dakky sorry I was wrong, glad we did not kill a good guy UNVOTE VOTE MANDY

Mate, my vote stays on you, after last 10 games or so, you just jump out of your story, it's meta but it says even with this post you're not acting/playing as normal. You copied almost all of my claim and claimed.
As far as I remember you never did that.

I think Mandy is NATO because he mentioned it first (it may have been a lucky guess, but I doubt it or he got a role which says he must defeat NATO).

So my first (and still) vote is on mitch, if I'm wrong then Mandy is next (as I said in a previous post, though in a different context)
I'm willing to lynch or hammer Mandy if it comes to that. Someone of these two is ISIS for sure.

[BuJaber]

Mandy, how is pt claiming NATO the same as claiming Mason?

The way I interpreted Pt's post is that he knows the countries he's allied with, but not who's playing them. That isn't the same as mason.

I wanted masons to claim because that is a role that can be confirmed by someone else. Alternatively, if someone lies about being a mason, there are 2 people that can confirm it's a lie. Mafia or (whatever) who know each other MAY try to claim masons too because they can back each other up, but it would essentially be a stand-off between 4 people which eventually leads to 2 scum being identified.

Sadly, it doesn't look like masons exist in this game, I went with LSU's implication that they might exist. But IF they did exist it would have been very good for town if they claimed in my opinion.

That was a very large amount of activity, votes, unvotes and revotes to go through after being away for just about 24 hours. I need to process it.

My initial thought is that I'm not so sure lynching dakky is a good thing anymore.
But since jbfloyd, hotshot, epi .. and heck even tobikera are no where near getting lynched, and between mitch and dakky I don't know who to believe... I'll just keep my vote as it is.

FOS on jb,hotshot, epi, tobi

Wing I'm just keeping an eye out on you in general as the most interesting among my neutral reads.

[mandalorian2298]

vote Mandy

You may call it a wasted vote. And to some degree, I agree. But I implore you to look at this:

In the game I am part of NATO

Good enough. unvote vote dakky as much as I preferred the case against Epi, proven scum is proven.

So BuJaber, now that you have your Mason, what do you plan to do with him?

Clearly hinges on unfounded info. Then:

WOW! Now you have told a new story Dakky, but since it is between you and me I will claim, I am Qatar a NATO sided village survivor.

OK, I unvote.

And vote Epi since, once again, it appears that I have been right about everything ever from the start.

Unvotes dakky because of mitch's claim...?

Goes back to epi. Now, the following is going to be difficult to get people behind because it involves cognitive dissonance: Mandy votes dakky (the heat of the debate), but when mitch comes "clean", Mandy changes his vote back to epi (safe option). Now, my point is not necessarily that neither dakky nor mitch is bad, but more that Mandy - the experienced and determined and what not player switches from an L-1 vote to voting someone who's not going to get lynched.

SOMEONE PHRASE THIS TO MAKE IT MAKE SENSE WHILE I SLEEP IT OFF!

It's really quite simple:

1) I never liked the dakky bandwagon
2) I only switched to vote dakky once ptlowe (as I understood it at the time) countered his claim to be NATO villager because, though it might not be my prefer lynch, if someone is caught in a lie then that's the person you lynch and that's that
3) Once Mitch claimed that he too is a NATO Villager, it became obvious that either ptlowe is flat out lying about being NATO or, more likely, that ptlowe is Mason with a few, but not all, NATO countries. This cancelled the the reason why I voted dakky in the first place.

As for the distinctions between "safe votes" and "the heat of the debate", it is not my fault that you guys are in heat for the wrong player. I vote following who I think the scum is. I am going to switch bandwagons to get a lynch, but only if I believe that there is merit to the case.

[mandalorian2298]

Mandy, how is pt claiming NATO the same as claiming Mason?

The way I interpreted Pt's post is that he knows the countries he's allied with, but not who's playing them. That isn't the same as mason.

I am not saying that you are wrong, since I don't know anything more about setup then you do, but I understood ptlowe's statement as "I know who three NATO players are and you (dakky) are not among them".

[Ragian]

I agree with you Ragian Mandys change of vote is weird , actually scummy. @ Dakky sorry I was wrong, glad we did not kill a good guy UNVOTE VOTE MANDY

Mate, my vote stays on you, after last 10 games or so, you just jump out of your story, it's meta but it says even with this post you're not acting/playing as normal. You copied almost all of my claim and claimed.
As far as I remember you never did that.

I think Mandy is NATO because he mentioned it first (it may have been a lucky guess, but I doubt it or he got a role which says he must defeat NATO).

So my first (and still) vote is on mitch, if I'm wrong then Mandy is next (as I said in a previous post, though in a different context)
I'm willing to lynch or hammer Mandy if it comes to that. Someone of these two is ISIS for sure.

unvote vote mitch

The main defence of Mandy, in my view, is mitch's vote. I'm hung over...

[jbfloyd]

Vote Count: 15 alive takes 8 to lynch.

5 Dakky: JBFloyd, Bujaber,, Tobikera, MadMitch, Mandy,
4 MadMitch: Dakky, Hotshot, The White Rose, BGtheBrain,
2 JBFloyd: Epitaph, Talapus,
1 Tobikera : Iron Butterfly,
1 Mandy: Wing,

*Votes need to be unvoted in bold bright colors before a revote for them to count barring a modmistake in missing their previous vote.

**Mass claiming is up to you, but do so at your own risk.

***Day 1 deadline for Monday morning at some point when I make it on CST will be the end of this day. All votes and unvotes up to that point will be counted. If a lynch occurs late Sunday IRL the day ends at that point, but I won't be online from around 3PM CST until sometime on Monday.

I'm not sure if mitch was trying to hammer Dakky or not. I can read it that way from his post, but it would have been pretty hard to miss that Dakky was at L2 when the vote was cast. Maybe just an exuberant vote - also a weird kind of "what the hell, why not?" to it. Not sure if there's any history there.

Dakky's claim doesn't seem unreasonable to me, but some don't believe him (IB & Mitch at least). Anyway, to me the claim doesn't stink (at least when he got around to full claim).

Anyway, given the earlier posts of mitch and that vote, I am now at least suspicious of him, more than Dakky now.

unvote

vote madmitch

This was before the VC above, so I'm pretty sure it wasn't right. Anyway, there were a lot of votes thrown around since that VC, I feel like someone got lynched. Waiting for a mod update.

[ptlowe]

Mandy, how is pt claiming NATO the same as claiming Mason?

The way I interpreted Pt's post is that he knows the countries he's allied with, but not who's playing them. That isn't the same as mason.

I wanted masons to claim because that is a role that can be confirmed by someone else. Alternatively, if someone lies about being a mason, there are 2 people that can confirm it's a lie. Mafia or (whatever) who know each other MAY try to claim masons too because they can back each other up, but it would essentially be a stand-off between 4 people which eventually leads to 2 scum being identified.

Sadly, it doesn't look like masons exist in this game, I went with LSU's implication that they might exist. But IF they did exist it would have been very good for town if they claimed in my opinion.

That was a very large amount of activity, votes, unvotes and revotes to go through after being away for just about 24 hours. I need to process it.

My initial thought is that I'm not so sure lynching dakky is a good thing anymore.
But since jbfloyd, hotshot, epi .. and heck even tobikera are no where near getting lynched, and between mitch and dakky I don't know who to believe... I'll just keep my vote as it is.

FOS on jb,hotshot, epi, tobi

Wing I'm just keeping an eye out on you in general as the most interesting among my neutral reads.

Your interpretation is correct of my statement bu.

Pt

[BGtheBrain]

*****

[madmitch]

In war there are always innocent victims, so if I half to be a casualty to prove my claim and help the NATO alliance then kill me

[BuJaber]

Lol BG.. we know by now how much you hate D1. Thanks for the input.

I've been sticking to my vote against my better judgement because even if we believe dakky, lynching a 3rd party is better than incorrectly lynching town. Especially in a game where people are recruitable.

Looks to me like mitch or dakky will get lynched and that will move us forward come D2.
Any other discussions might not be relevant for this vote, but will definitely come into play soon, so if anyone has noticed something else odd, do share.

FOS Mandy

FP'd by Mitch -- Nice post, very true but also tells us nothing.

[BGtheBrain]

*****

[madmitch]

No I actual believe Dakky now, two bad one of us is about to go, I don't believe Mandy ,sure he claimed NATO but he did this rather quickly with no really good reason, he just seems to have a major hate against Epi or is this just a great ploy to cover his partnership with him ,they are most likely terrorists.

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

I still wish to hear Wings reply.

You missed your logic a little, if I follow my own post I should be voting PTLowe right now. However, D1 seems a bit early for that.

That said, you lot appear to be turning on what appears to be two of my kindred spirits and I AM NOT HAPPY with that. BG needs to be shot in the head. Wants to lynch "basically vanilla" because he doesnt care about cheap lives. How very townie....

I dont trust Mandy, which is why I am voting him. I think he is one of the survivors but a lot of the things he does suggest that might not be the case.

[ptlowe]

Wingy always trying to Lynch me. Even when he knows I'm town. The tragedy.

[mandalorian2298]

I still wish to hear Wings reply.

You missed your logic a little, if I follow my own post I should be voting PTLowe right now. However, D1 seems a bit early for that.

That said, you lot appear to be turning on what appears to be two of my kindred spirits and I AM NOT HAPPY with that. BG needs to be shot in the head. Wants to lynch "basically vanilla" because he doesnt care about cheap lives. How very townie....

I dont trust Mandy, which is why I am voting him. I think he is one of the survivors but a lot of the things he does suggest that might not be the case.

Hey as long as you are voting me AND think that Epi (who is currently waiting for the deadline somewhere far away from this game) is ISIS you are, IMO, 50 persent on the right track.

[Iron Butterfly]

I still wish to hear Wings reply.

You missed your logic a little, if I follow my own post I should be voting PTLowe right now. However, D1 seems a bit early for that.

That said, you lot appear to be turning on what appears to be two of my kindred spirits and I AM NOT HAPPY with that. BG needs to be shot in the head. Wants to lynch "basically vanilla" because he doesnt care about cheap lives. How very townie....

I dont trust Mandy, which is why I am voting him. I think he is one of the survivors but a lot of the things he does suggest that might not be the case.

So why is killing a survivor better then killing someone you think is Isis or mafia??
Mitch has claimed survivor and Dakky has waffled between the two and you claim to be a kindred spirit.

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

Because its not in my interest for a faction to die before ISIS is dead.

An unknown loose element is perfectly acceptable.

Build a wagon on Epi and I wil join you.

[HotShot53]

Well, since mitch and dakky now seem to agree that the other's claim seems reasonable and they aren't scum, I will unvote

The pressure now seems to be on one side or the other of the mandy/epi fight, or maybe BG for just blatantly not caring what happens day 1. I don't know that scum would be that obvious about not caring about day 1, so I won't vote BG for that now.

Between mandy and epi, the case on epi is a bit stronger, so I will vote Epi

[dakky21]

The pressure now seems to be on one side or the other of the mandy/epi fight, or maybe BG for just blatantly not caring what happens day 1. I don't know that scum would be that obvious about not caring about day 1, so I won't vote BG for that now.

I am starting to not care about D1 as well. The game is getting stalled without a deadline and no one is getting lynched anytime soon. Let's just vote for each other and let it drag for months with one post per day. If.

To be honest, I'd unvote now and vote Epi, but you would say its bandwagoning and vote for me again.... so I don't know what's better for town... get myself killed due to multiple bandwagons or stay on Mitch and let the game fail due to non playing.

I'll hammer anyone who gets on L-1.

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

***Day 1 deadline for Monday morning at some point when I make it on CST will be the end of this day. All votes and unvotes up to that point will be counted. If a lynch occurs late Sunday IRL the day ends at that point, but I won't be online from around 3PM CST until sometime on Monday.