[Exp] CYOC! #4 Endgame! Town wins, you filthy animals

[TimWoodbury]

Benga makes a good point that streaker and mars have linked themselves. First with streaker defending mars as benga quoted and furthermore with mars backing up/contributing to streakers case against benga.
Buddying like this isnt what i would expect out of these 2 or really from any set of 2 players that are both town,especially on D1.
Are you guys reading each other town here? Id like both your opinions on each other.
I already had a point against streaker of trying to paint me a villian by suggesting i was dangerous but not following through with a vote(same reason i pushed dakky),add buddying with mars and i will
Unvote Tim
Vote Streaker
Ftr im guessing mars is more likely town actually,his thoughts on benga trying to manipulate the cop seem legit,even though i read bengas intentions differently.
Wing,do you think tim is scum?

im not shure i think mars might "returning the favor" so to say ie streak helped mars so mars helped streak back hough i can deffinatly see where they very well may to a skum pair in this

[benga]

Buddying like this isnt what i would expect out of these 2 or really from any set of 2 players that are both town,especially on D1.
Are you guys reading each other town here? Id like both your opinions on each other.

Now I've said positive things about Mars and Streaker too, does that make me scum with them?

up to now you have been pretty much nice and dandy all the time
in your pink glasses no one is scum, you have redirected any lynch mention

since Streaker is so active in pushing others, now it would be good time to hear more from him
beeing aggressive doesn't take scummyness of him

most of his case on me comes cause I have joked too long, while he went aggro from the start

[Streaker]

Benga makes a good point that streaker and mars have linked themselves. First with streaker defending mars as benga quoted and furthermore with mars backing up/contributing to streakers case against benga.
Buddying like this isnt what i would expect out of these 2 or really from any set of 2 players that are both town,especially on D1.
Are you guys reading each other town here? Id like both your opinions on each other.
I already had a point against streaker of trying to paint me a villian by suggesting i was dangerous but not following through with a vote(same reason i pushed dakky),add buddying with mars and i will
Unvote Tim
Vote Streaker
Ftr im guessing mars is more likely town actually,his thoughts on benga trying to manipulate the cop seem legit,even though i read bengas intentions differently.
Wing,do you think tim is scum?

Benga yet again twisted my words. I clearly staded my case and he ignores it.
I have a town read on mars because his thoughts seem enligned with my own.

U mad because i pointed out what is wrong with trusting 3rd party?

[madmitch]

So Mets is back good he always has some sensible posts, since I only voted on him to get some reaction now I can UNVOTE . Now to Bengas comment of buddy system between Streaker and Mars is interesting considering tere was two killers .

[Endgame422]

Now I've said positive things about Mars and Streaker too, does that make me scum with them?

Mets you skimmed my post.
I only called steaker scum,not mars.
Im still interested to hear mars read on streaker. Maybe it's a coincidence that streaker defended mars when he didn't need to and then happens to agree with his reads,but i think its worth pushing.
And streaker the point was you tried to encourage my lynch,but didn't vote with it. Why was that again?

[pancakemix]

Sorry for the brief absence again guys. Still dealing with some stuff that's impeding my ability to post.

My reason to truly try and help town is it increases my odds of winning. If town wins on the D3/D4 lynch,i also win,this is the ideal situation for me.
In order to win with mafia i would have to survive to lylo,then hope mafia was willing to work with me,all while appearing town right until the end? Unlikely that i could swing that.
Every day/night cycle is just 2 more chances for me to die and thusly lose.
Town victory is my best chance here.

Continuing to mention your selfish motives is unlikely to win you favor.

I just cant read both of you. I told you already I am town vig. You could have readed that already. Notice the town prefix. I'm not lying and WHY would I claim such a role when I know mafia will either try to lynch me or kill me at night... now Tim, try to think... if you were town... would you claim such a role? No.... But if you were mafia, you'd try to lynch me to get town credit. I voted endgame to see the results, and you, pancake and mitch are going for first option... Yeah, kill me, go ahead, I certainly hope so you'll be next then.

Uh, no. You "soft-claimed", remember? But you were trying to confuse mafia. I guess that's a wash, then...

This is exactly the kind of logic that makes me disinclined to believe you. Claiming you're town is not a proof that you're town. And how DARE I not believe you...

If you only knew which character I chose which role I got (vig, but why), you wouldn't doubt it, but I can't say anything more than that

Teasing is also not a good way to make me believe you. You have zero ammo in a claim, better not to wave an empty gun.

@Streaker: Good points on benga, I'd like to hear his response. As for dakky I'm not willing to let off just yet purely because distracting play like that is of no value. It is far more hinderance than help. I see no reason to push further however, given there's nothing else to be said.

Yeah, I don't follow the vote on WCG either. He seems to be contributing a lot and any sneaky behavior is unlikely at this juncture.

well you gave me enough to vote streaker

first you wanting to gather up the lynch squad
2nd you really haven't produced anything useful other then just jumping from one guy to another
3rd and yes you are right, I shouldn't just try to lynch random guy, I should pursue someone who has been scummy to me from the start

Woooooow aggressive. Streaker was looking for activity out of you, and boy did he get it. Interesting how a little push gets a shove in return.

Unvote Vote benga

I wouldn't worry too much about Met's absence. Speaking for myself as well, it probably has more to do with life than alignment.

Can't seem to find his other post, but seems to me at this point mars and streaker work together, just filling after each other.

Yes, stench is strong here.

Again, super unlikely of any cooperation at this point. Grasping at straws methinks.

'm a little intrigued that PCM got into that little tiff with madmitch. Not sure what to make of it yet, but it's worth keeping in mind. It is not something I expected to happen.

You ought to know I knock heads fairly easily. I'm trying to avoid that this game because it gets in the way of my play.

I'm going to do what I can to be more active, but it's difficult right now to get a place to post. Hopefully everything gets sorted soon.

[Marashu]

Active post - been an unexpectedly really busy couple days. Will post after work tomorrow.

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

Realised I've let this one slide with my other two games nearing deadlines. I'll try and put my thoughts together later. I'm going away for the weekend so this will be my last day of high input before D2.

If you have any queries for me, I'd appreciate hearing them today.

[benga]

Kenny McCormick, couldn't remember the name for last nights quiz LOL

Realised I've let this one slide with my other two games nearing deadlines. I'll try and put my thoughts together later. I'm going away for the weekend so this will be my last day of high input before D2.

If you have any queries for me, I'd appreciate hearing them today.

Patiently waiting...

[Streaker]

Now I've said positive things about Mars and Streaker too, does that make me scum with them?

Mets you skimmed my post.
I only called steaker scum,not mars.
Im still interested to hear mars read on streaker. Maybe it's a coincidence that streaker defended mars when he didn't need to and then happens to agree with his reads,but i think its worth pushing.
And streaker the point was you tried to encourage my lynch,but didn't vote with it. Why was that again?

That's me being undecisive. We increase our chances of lynching scum with your claim, but hp mafia showed just how detrimental it is to town for having athird party live, or even lead it.
I believe we should lynch you on day two or three, whenever we get stuck.

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

Kenny McCormick, couldn't remember the name for last nights quiz LOL

Realised I've let this one slide with my other two games nearing deadlines. I'll try and put my thoughts together later. I'm going away for the weekend so this will be my last day of high input before D2.

If you have any queries for me, I'd appreciate hearing them today.

Patiently waiting...

That'll do it for now. Openly admitting to not trying and waiting for others.

So this is the game where I think IB and PT are scummyiest and dont trust PCM, Benga or Tim. Now I get the feeling that IB wont be lynched today so i will unvote.

Streaker why PT over Benga? I have never known you to pass up a good omgus! Now i am vonsidering voting gor one of these two and would like your thoughts. My quote above makes me lean towards voting Benga.

Nothing has really changed in this game recently, other than Tim ignoring my question on the previous page.

Ps I just got a feeling that PCM was subtly mirroring IB for those wondering about that one.

[ptlowe]

Ill be posting more tonight. Will be all caught up here then. Just an activity post.

[TheForgivenOne]

Vote Count:

Marashu – Strike Wolf (1)
TimWoodbury – virus90, dakky21, Iron Butterfly (3)
Benga – Marashu, pancakemix (2)
Ptlowe – streaker (1)
Metsfanmax - madmitch (1)
Iron Butterfly - HotShot53 (1)
Streaker - Benga, Endgame422 (2)
Strike Wolf - ptlowe (1)

With 15 alive, it takes 8 to lynch. Deadline is set for November 15th at 17:00 CCT. Also a reminder, as per the rules I posted: If no majority is reached at the end of the deadline if made, the player with the most votes will be lynched and the game will enter into the night phase.

[Marashu]

so im skum because im saying that fo the momemt keeping end alive s good for town??? and the vig thing i assumed that vig is a town only role as thats the only time ive seen a vig, if vig can be skum also then i hadnt realized it. and honestly i didnt even realize how many votes on me because im in 4 games right now

A bit more food for thought on the subject of the vigi's alignment - remember that the opening post hints at 2 mafia kills.

@End - My opinion on Streaker is that I think he's town - I don't agree with all of his reads (specifically, he seems to be scumreading virus and I'm leaning more town with virus, and I'm getting a scummy feel from Tim but Streaker is neutral about it, and he's scumreading ptlowe but I'm on the fence about him), but I do like the logic behind his reads. From my point of view I hadn't noticed the buddying, but if he is trying to pocket me, I suppose I wouldn't. Still, this buddying comes from benga using a defense Streaker made just as the joke vote stage was ending (which was really calling Wing out on him calling me inactive), me voting for Benga in the same post as I say I townread Streaker (and you'll note he edited out my reasoning for voting for him at that time), discounts the fact that we don't have the same reads and aren't even both voting for him, and is coming from my #1 scumread. Also, my initial push on benga was days before Streaker took interest.

Mets and PCM have made solid posts, and I'm liking them so far - Wing, could you go more into detail about PCM mirroring IB?

My opinion changes on Dakky practically every time he opens his mouth - I can't tell if he's scum or town, but I think we'll have a much clearer picture of him on D2. If he is scum, I would want to look closer at strike.

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

Read PCM's post on page 9 Mars.

[madmitch]

That is what I keep trying to tell everyone Mars, there was two kills and two killers and don't forget there was also a survivor which I don't think it matters.But the two killers worry me.

[Endgame422]

That is what I keep trying to tell everyone Mars, there was two kills and two killers and don't forget there was also a survivor which I don't think it matters.But the two killers worry me.

Patience mitch,if 2 people come up dead tomorrow you can worry. Even if there are going to be 2 kills what good does worrying do about it?
@Mars streaker defends you,then you pushed benga and streaker follows. Why does a town streaker do this?
His defense of you was based on basically nothing,now he could have been reading you town very early but idk how he could be so convinced so fast if he was town.
The lack of suspicion from streaker with very little evidence at that point is interesting,and then he follows your case on benga,which if benga as making a true omgus vote it would have been against mars when he originated the case but instead it went to streaker.

[benga]

My opinion changes on Dakky practically every time he opens his mouth - I can't tell if he's scum or town, but I think we'll have a much clearer picture of him on D2. If he is scum, I would want to look closer at strike.

So you are basically saying we shouldn't lynch dakky until we have better picture in D2?
That's the same thing I said regarding dakky and End, as they have both made their claims.

I understand why my vote on Streaker is OMGUS, but as I stated from the start it was just my feeling about him.
If you go aggro, you have to be prepared to be challenged and as I was going thru his post, for every think he called me out
he was doing it the same or in greater manner.(He voted for 2 people and made couple of casees on others or does inconsistency refers to something else?)

I wasn't adding to discussion where I felt I have nothing to contribute, that's why I wanted to hear more about Mets.
The connection I found, being true or not, just caught my eye and seemed interesting to me.

At this point I think there are 4 people going for my ass, so only thing is I ask don't hammer me before I have time to respond.

Okay just looked back and found some more gems.
So this is where it basically started. I didn't even push any case of him and started defending about nothing.
And he jumped on me out of nothing while there was heated debate about dakky, End, IB.
Does anyone notice the irony?

Benga drew most attention, imo.



All of these one-liners are made in the joke-vote/dakky claim stage of the game. It's interesting he is not getting into the discussion, and refrains from making comments on the actual statements. But it's early, so ok.

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This is his first serious post (in which he wrongly reads I am gathering people for a lynch), but it's the semi-push on me that got my attention, because there is absolutely no follow-up to this post at all.

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Instead of following up, he decides it's time to start questioning mitch, of all players. It all feels very much like stalling while keeping middle ground not bumping on anyone's toe's.

Virus also completely afk, so nothing to go on except that last game he pulled this, he was scum.

fp'd by wing

That is what I keep trying to tell everyone Mars, there was two kills and two killers and don't forget there was also a survivor which I don't think it matters.But the two killers worry me.

Patience mitch,if 2 people come up dead tomorrow you can worry. Even if there are going to be 2 kills what good does worrying do about it?
@Mars streaker defends you,then you pushed benga and streaker follows. Why does a town streaker do this?
His defense of you was based on basically nothing,now he could have been reading you town very early but idk how he could be so convinced so fast if he was town.
The lack of suspicion from streaker with very little evidence at that point is interesting,and then he follows your case on benga,which if benga as making a true omgus vote it would have been against mars when he originated the case but instead it went to streaker.

Let me get this straight, I wasn't specifically defending mars, I was pointing out a flaw in wing's post. I see the connection you guys bring up, but I didn't notice it myself until it was layed out.
Everyone needs to have a clear look at endgame's posts, and see the resemblance with hp game. While it's usefull having him on our side, it's a bad bad idea having third party lead town.

most of his case on me comes cause I have joked too long, while he went aggro from the start

First part of my case on you was that you were reluctant to get to the point. It's a valid argument. You are saying you consider joking is better for town then scumhunting. Did you notice the part where I said that this part is actually ok, that I didn't see it as THAT scummy?

I also called you out for pushing me, based on a wrong interpretation of what I said. 'Gathering people for a lynch'? It's called making a case and pushing it. You think it's scummy.

Furthermore I called you out for your 'balancing act'. Not pushing too hard, but not laying low either.

The thing is, there really wasn't a very strong foundation for my push on you. You overreacted completely, and that only fueled it for me:

well you gave me enough to vote streaker

first you wanting to gather up the lynch squad
2nd you really haven't produced anything useful other then just jumping from one guy to another
3rd and yes you are right, I shouldn't just try to lynch random guy, I should pursue someone who has been scummy to me from the start

Twisting my words, lying about my actions this game, and now I was scummy from the start? Based on what? Strong post, this is.
It gets worse:

Buddying like this isnt what i would expect out of these 2 or really from any set of 2 players that are both town,especially on D1.
Are you guys reading each other town here? Id like both your opinions on each other.

Now I've said positive things about Mars and Streaker too, does that make me scum with them?

up to now you have been pretty much nice and dandy all the time
in your pink glasses no one is scum, you have redirected any lynch mention

since Streaker is so active in pushing others, now it would be good time to hear more from him
beeing aggressive doesn't take scummyness of him

most of his case on me comes cause I have joked too long, while he went aggro from the start

You are literally saying that I'm scummy because I am pushing cases. You may not have noticed this, but see how I managed to get attention away from the useless conversation about claims, and into an actual discussion that can be used now and later?
Don't want to overlook your second statement there, that you think I'm scummy because 'i went aggro' instead of joke voting.

It looks like the only 2 who are pushing against me are 1) my biggest scumread and 2) a claimed 3rd party.

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This is his first serious post (in which he wrongly reads I am gathering people for a lynch), but it's the semi-push on me that got my attention, because there is absolutely no follow-up to this post at all.

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Instead of following up, he decides it's time to start questioning mitch, of all players. It all feels very much like stalling while keeping middle ground not bumping on anyone's toe's.

Virus also completely afk, so nothing to go on except that last game he pulled this, he was scum.

fp'd by wing

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

Hp game was lead by Storr, 3rd party, myself, 3rd party and Aage, Mafia.....

It was really stupid, but I wouldnt blame the 3rd parties for helping. Town just rolled over and died

Town should always make their voices heard.

[benga]

Streaker you post is a mess, can you just copy the important part? thx
or maybe just my browser is posting it like that

[benga]

I can't see if you voted me or not?

I really had no case on you until you poked me enough for me to go and look thru your posts.

[madmitch]

still hear, just trying to get my head straight over whose who? PLEASE check vote count because I did unvote

[Endgame422]

Idk what happened to your post streaker but its majorly f*cked up.
I wasnt even sure who wrote it until your sig popped up in the middle of it and some of your text appears in the space where your avatar should be. Maybe a bug or something.
And ftr if town had listened to me on d6/7 in HP mafia when i was pushing HotShot(who was scum) instead of following strike to a lynch of me,town may have had a chance(even if it was very small). But no,town lynched me cuz they were unsure of themselves and therefore lost.
Pretty much what your suggesting is exactly that,lynch me when town is unsure.
That worked out great for you as scum last time.
Also i generally agree with your points against benga but this play is very reminiscent of CYOM(i think the only game benga has played)
Benga was town and started out posting very lightly,when pressured he just keep pushing his scum reads instead of defending himself
I was suspicious there of his reactive playstyle but i think that's just how benga is.
I guess we will see though as i believe benga is currently set to be lynched. Ill stick by my thoughts that benga is newbie town and streaker pounced on the oppourtunity.

[strike wolf]

Can anyone tell me how long Benga has been here? I would agree with Endgame that his posts seem more new than scummy but I feel like I have seen him here before.

Mitch, generally basing your case off of a pregame scene is bad play. They mean nothing more times than not and right now you are changing facts to fit a theory rather than the theory to fit the facts. To illustrate my point, I oncertainly had an all serial killer mafia with a vig that had the chance of up to 4 players dying in a night and I believe I only had one NPC die at the start of the game. Really if this non sense was coming out of anyone else I would have probably voted alrwady. It's only because you have a history of this type of play that has earned you a pass so far.

I am going to look up when the last time IB posted was it feels like it has been a while.

P.S. I see streaker's post fine. It is all the posts below him that look weird on my screen.