Sweeney Todd Mafia ~ Town Wins. Ready to be Archived

[Commander9]

Investigation failed. I had a suspicion that Fogg might be in the game as a jailkeeper, might have been the one to protect me. Or a roleblocker targeted me, but that would imply a mafia one and I tend to believe that I was jailkept.

But seeing as how I was probably the highest priority target, I wanna conclude we have a jailkeeper. Going by how the edocsil wagon went yesterday, my suspicions on behavior centers on Sax for his waffling on a vote, for his rather convoluted suggestion that I be lynched, and his overall reluctance to follow the cop.

vote TheSaxlad

I guess I owe you an apology - and unless flavour will indicate, you are definitely deem trustable. I still find Mr. S' choice baffling to make Turpin a good guy, but by everything in this game you seem to be pro-town.

Furthermore, through the scene and from what went on so far (Turpin being a good guy, his "buddy" not existing at all and Todd being Mafia) I don't think we should trust Toby.

[safariguy5]

Investigation failed. I had a suspicion that Fogg might be in the game as a jailkeeper, might have been the one to protect me. Or a roleblocker targeted me, but that would imply a mafia one and I tend to believe that I was jailkept.

But seeing as how I was probably the highest priority target, I wanna conclude we have a jailkeeper. Going by how the edocsil wagon went yesterday, my suspicions on behavior centers on Sax for his waffling on a vote, for his rather convoluted suggestion that I be lynched, and his overall reluctance to follow the cop.

vote TheSaxlad

I guess I owe you an apology - and unless flavour will indicate, you are definitely deem trustable. I still find Mr. S' choice baffling to make Turpin a good guy, but by everything in this game you seem to be pro-town.

Furthermore, through the scene and from what went on so far (Turpin being a good guy, his "buddy" not existing at all and Todd being Mafia) I don't think we should trust Toby.

Like I said, some movies simply don't have enough protagonists to really be constituting the town faction. As an extreme example, if there ever was a Rambo mafia, or say a Die Hard mafia, I really think Rambo and John McClane would have to be the mafia because there's not enough "good guys" in those movies to fill up town.

I think I might have been the only reasonable character to play town cop. Either way, I'm not even really sure whether Toby would be in the game, and I'm not sure whether the mafia has a NK ability anymore. Could be they WIFOM didn't use it.

[ShaggyDan]

One thing we haven't speculated about, didn't everyone except safari eat random-pies. Meaning that Saf would have been the only one to send in a night action? So if you were roleblocked it would have been random.

It could be very possible that the mafia kill + doctor save overlapped.

Also looking at the flavour from the D2 lynch, it could be possible that Toby is a part of the mafia... though I can't see Toby continuing kills if Lovett died. Then again, balance over realism.

Looking at the situation so far we have confirmed lovers, plus what I see to be a confirmed cop. So out of 8 there's 5 suspects.

Though there is the very small chance that Saf bussed Edoc... I find it hard to believe though. Especially if there's only 2 mafia (if there's 3 with Toby makes a little more sense). I'm willing to believe the cop claim.

Is there any explanation as to why there was still a guilty result on the godfather? Or was it just a different godfather role than we're used to? Thoughts?

[safariguy5]

One thing we haven't speculated about, didn't everyone except safari eat random-pies. Meaning that Saf would have been the only one to send in a night action? So if you were roleblocked it would have been random.

It could be very possible that the mafia kill + doctor save overlapped.

Also looking at the flavour from the D2 lynch, it could be possible that Toby is a part of the mafia... though I can't see Toby continuing kills if Lovett died. Then again, balance over realism.

Looking at the situation so far we have confirmed lovers, plus what I see to be a confirmed cop. So out of 8 there's 5 suspects.

Though there is the very small chance that Saf bussed Edoc... I find it hard to believe though. Especially if there's only 2 mafia (if there's 3 with Toby makes a little more sense). I'm willing to believe the cop claim.

Is there any explanation as to why there was still a guilty result on the godfather? Or was it just a different godfather role than we're used to? Thoughts?

Lovers technically aren't confirmed. Like I said, we'll worry about the Toby alignment when we find him. We know Lovett is out there, that's a big concern.

As for the Godfather, it could be that I'm the only one who remembers him from before, so finding him guilty could only be done by me. Nobody else knows who he is. Flavor spec a bit, but I'm happy we got him anyways.

[Haggis_McMutton]

I agree on Sax. Poor logic + not putting his vote till he was called out on it.

Furthermore, I'd like him to explain this post:

I already claimed Turpin. And I said I was town. Who would be mafia in this game anyways?

Yes, I know - that's why I said you might be mafia. Turpin and his lackies seem like by far best candidates for mafia to me.

Agreed. And Its just as likely that safari is here trying to mislead us. Or the mod is lied to me in the role PM

vote Sax

[jonty125]

vote Sax for not joining the edoc wagon until the hammer, despite critcising edoc throughout D2.

Sax now at L-2.

[TheSaxlad]

Woah Woah Woah. I ask a question to the Mod and suddenly I get voted. Im nothing special. Im Toby. The little boy in the pie shop. Im a vanilla townie until pirelli dies at which point I become a mafia goon. Unless Yoshi was pirelli and (I doubt it) I am still town and haven't been told otherwise. If you don't believe me investigate me tonight. I will turn up Town. Im 100% about this.

As for Safari I suppose I have no choice to believe him. You question anyone in this game you get scummified. However I would like to look at jonty, to my eyes he has only jumped on both bandwaggons and not put anywhere near as much into the game as I have.

vote jonty

[jonty125]

My vote is staying on you as potential mafia and i'm sorry if I haven't contributed as much but I am new to CC Mafia and am still getting to grips with it.

[TheSaxlad]

In my role PM as Toby I was told not to trust Safariguy. No idea why, I wouldn't have thought if he was Judge Turpin that would have been the case.

Good enough for you Haggis?

[VioIet]

One thing we haven't speculated about, didn't everyone except safari eat random-pies. Meaning that Saf would have been the only one to send in a night action? So if you were roleblocked it would have been random.

It could be very possible that the mafia kill + doctor save overlapped.

Also looking at the flavour from the D2 lynch, it could be possible that Toby is a part of the mafia... though I can't see Toby continuing kills if Lovett died. Then again, balance over realism.

Looking at the situation so far we have confirmed lovers, plus what I see to be a confirmed cop. So out of 8 there's 5 suspects.

Though there is the very small chance that Saf bussed Edoc... I find it hard to believe though. Especially if there's only 2 mafia (if there's 3 with Toby makes a little more sense). I'm willing to believe the cop claim.

Is there any explanation as to why there was still a guilty result on the godfather? Or was it just a different godfather role than we're used to? Thoughts?

Well, I suppose its up to the mod. In my games, the godfather is only investigative immune under certain conditions. But if saf's explanation is indeed correct, does that mean there might be another cop out there someone.

Its very hard to follow the night and morning scene, as I don't know the story/book/movie.
Can someone explain to me how Lucy died and who Toby is, because i just don't get anything so far. And the scene seemed to indicate that Lovett and Sweeney were lovers, so will he die now?

And sax, now now would be a good time to claim.

[VioIet]

Oh, it seems that I was fast posted by Sax. Give me a moment to read.

[TheSaxlad]

My vote is staying on you as potential mafia and i'm sorry if I haven't contributed as much but I am new to CC Mafia and am still getting to grips with it.

Noob Defence Alert.

Jonty your not that much of a noob really. And even if you are it doesnt take much to join in convo's about flavour spec and who could be town. You voted me for just jumping on the bandwagon and yet you do the same...

[jonty125]

I did not merely jump on the bandwagon I did think of it a little suspicious towards the end of D2 so I decided putting you at L-2 will force you to roleclaim and you have claimed you will be a future mafia member.

[VioIet]

Sorry for the triple post guys.

No worries jonty. Welcome to mafia, and we are happy to have you.

Now sax...lad, i don't know the storyline, so its possible that I'm wrong. But wasn't the general consensus that Toby was mafia.

Also why would your role pm tell you to not trust Turpin, when the events of Day 1 and Day 2 just proved that Turpin is a good guy? He just helped us to find the Mafia Godfather!!!!!

I don't buy his claim.

Vote Saxlad

[TheSaxlad]

Someone unvote me before a mafia hammer.

Thats is exactly what happens in the film. Pirelli Dies and Toby becomes Mafia. That is what happens in the game and is why it makes it balance properly. Only 2 mafia (I guess) to start with, with the possibility of a third.

[safariguy5]

Sorry for the triple post guys.

No worries jonty. Welcome to mafia, and we are happy to have you.

Now sax...lad, i don't know the storyline, so its possible that I'm wrong. But wasn't the general consensus that Toby was mafia.

Also why would your role pm tell you to not trust Turpin, when the events of Day 1 and Day 2 just proved that Turpin is a good guy? He just helped us to find the Mafia Godfather!!!!!

I don't buy his claim.

Vote Saxlad

Flavor wise, it makes sense for him if he is toby to join the mafia if pirelli dies. That's basically what happens in the movie. However, it's a bit risky since the NK's will hide the role name.

[jonty125]

Someone unvote me before a mafia hammer.

Why would mafia want to hammer as you're pro-mafia if the mafia gets rumbled.

[safariguy5]

Revising the list again

1. Sweeney Todd- edocsil, Mafia Godfather
2. Mrs. Lovett- Pie maker per game mechanic, probably mafia janitor with Sweeney Todd
3. Toby- claimed by Saxlad, becomes mafia goon upon the death of Pirelli
4. Pirelli- Could be locator existence would be confirmed by lynch or Toby death.
5. Judge Turpin- Me, Hated Town Cop
6. Beggar woman/Lucy- claimed by DoomYoshi, pies gave random night actions, could be insane, Town Watcher
7. Anthony Hope- Lover, claimed by naxus
8. Johanna- essentially claimed by Com9, probable lover
9. Fogg- Could be jailkeeper
10. Royal Marine- Victor Sullivan, Town Roleblocker lynched.
11. ???

That leaves 4 characters left, 1 probably town 1 definitely anti town, 1 I'm not sure about, and 1 could go either way.

So the remaining unclaimed players are

VioIet
Haggis
ShaggyDan
jonty


Strictly by Haggis's play, I'm pretty sure he's town as I was all set to not lynch edocsil until he brought up a very good point about the VT's. I was also a bit unsure of the lovers claim, but since we got Todd, I don't think there are enough mafia roles to justify fakeclaiming 2 lovers.

So between Vio, Shaggy and jonty, would be our best opportunity to find Lovett.

There's two ways we can play this out I think.

1. The safer option is to go ahead and lynch Sax today (sorry sax) because the possibility of him becoming mafia is pretty risky for town especially with the kills not showing who is who. Then we hopefully can use process of elimination over the next couple of days (massclaim possibly if I get killed) to find Lovett and win.

2. The riskier option is to not lynch Sax now, and ask for someone to step forward and claim pirelli. If mafia is dumb enough to counterclaim, we got them. Otherwise, it narrows the possible scum field down, we just have to keep an eye on Sax in case the claimed pirelli dies.

I'll unvote for now and see what everyone wants to do.

[jonty125]

Investigation failed

I thought that meant you were now unable to investigate.

[safariguy5]

Investigation failed

I thought that meant you were now unable to investigate.

No, if I had gotten a town result, then I would lose my investigation abilities. Investigation failed means that I probably got roleblocked.

[naxus]

I say we lynch sax now on the off chance that he's lying and that Mafia gaining numbers is the worst thing that could happen right now.

If everyone agrees Ill vote but I dont want to speed hammer without discussion

[Commander9]

Vio, actually, according to the move I'd have never said thought that Toby would be mafia, but then again - Turpin would have never looked like a good guy. However, judging from this game, him being mafia is very probably. All in all, with pretty much all of the important roles outed, I wouldn't mind a mass claiming, but if we're going to take another route, I'd probably think we should pressure either Vio or Jonty.

[ShaggyDan]

Okay, I've thought about what I'm about to do and I think it works out the best for town.

I am Pirelli, Pro-town Miller.

Mafia is quite obviously from the scene Lovett + Todd. With the addition of a possible Toby. With the addition of me being a miller (I have tried to hint at this fact since the start of the game, sections of my post which were underlined were clues to me being a miller) means I had a higher chance of getting lynched, therefore a higher chance that Toby would turn.

The reasoning behind me claiming was that if I died at night, you would have no idea that Pirelli had died and Sax could play it off that he's still town. This way you have my allignment confirmed, and Sax's allignment confirmed (knowing when he will switch).

So if I die we know to lynch Sax. Other than that we have 3 remaining suspects; Violet, Haggis and Jonty. I suggest we lynch one, possibly vig shoot the other (if there is one), then lynch the final one tomorrow.

Assuming only 2 mafia to start at the moment it's 7:1 split. Even if we myslynch and I die it turns into a 4:2 split. Plus you'll have an easy lynch to follow on Sax turning it into a 3:1 split for MYLO. When we factor in cop investigations and such I think we're in pretty good shape.

Also; on a completely different note. Why did your investigation fail Saf? A town roleblocker is already dead, I doubt there'd be another. And I wouldn't imagine that there'd be a mafia roleblocker?

[safariguy5]

Okay, I've thought about what I'm about to do and I think it works out the best for town.

I am Pirelli, Pro-town Miller.

Mafia is quite obviously from the scene Lovett + Todd. With the addition of a possible Toby. With the addition of me being a miller (I have tried to hint at this fact since the start of the game, sections of my post which were underlined were clues to me being a miller) means I had a higher chance of getting lynched, therefore a higher chance that Toby would turn.

The reasoning behind me claiming was that if I died at night, you would have no idea that Pirelli had died and Sax could play it off that he's still town. This way you have my allignment confirmed, and Sax's allignment confirmed (knowing when he will switch).

So if I die we know to lynch Sax. Other than that we have 3 remaining suspects; Violet, Haggis and Jonty. I suggest we lynch one, possibly vig shoot the other (if there is one), then lynch the final one tomorrow.

Assuming only 2 mafia to start at the moment it's 7:1 split. Even if we myslynch and I die it turns into a 4:2 split. Plus you'll have an easy lynch to follow on Sax turning it into a 3:1 split for MYLO. When we factor in cop investigations and such I think we're in pretty good shape.

Also; on a completely different note. Why did your investigation fail Saf? A town roleblocker is already dead, I doubt there'd be another. And I wouldn't imagine that there'd be a mafia roleblocker?

I'm not sure. Um, it could be that the night actions got switched around due to the pies. So between Vio, Haggis, and jonty, I think that Haggis is most likely pro town as he helped restart the edocsil lynch. Between vio and jonty, jonty beens acting more erratic to me, so I think that I'll go with a jonty lynch for now.

vote jonty

[jonty125]

I claim Actor (Vanilla Townie)

I have being trying to metion about VT's throughout the game, that just leaves Vio and Hag