POTC Mafia Game Thread Day 7 Town Win! Premium goes to Sully

[safariguy5]

I am of the opinion that a lynch might be rushed. I do not want to vote for a no lynch but with one claimed townie w/ a semi-claimed lover and under 2 days to come to a lynch (can you confirm a specific time of day safari?) I'm a bit hesitant to start a wagon.

I'll say Midnight PST on the 31st. When the clock turns to April Fools, this day will be over.

[Mass Miracle]

Sorry for the inactivity...a combination of life catching up with me and my inexperience with this game. I am at a loss as most of you are referencing how others play in prior games, I do not have that experience. It seems that the first important thing that has happened is Falko claiming, I tend to believe him. To me all the posturing before anything happens is irrelevant. Seems strange to have a lynch before day 1, but what do I know.

Anyway I will start throwing my two cents in a little bit more starting on Friday...one more day of craziness.

[pancakemix]

Sorry for the inactivity...a combination of life catching up with me and my inexperience with this game. I am at a loss as most of you are referencing how others play in prior games, I do not have that experience. It seems that the first important thing that has happened is Falko claiming, I tend to believe him. To me all the posturing before anything happens is irrelevant. Seems strange to have a lynch before day 1, but what do I know.

Anyway I will start throwing my two cents in a little bit more starting on Friday...one more day of craziness.

^^That is another reason not to metagame.

[Commander9]

Well, obviously, if we won't even try to pressure, nothing will happen... As a phrase went in KOTOR2 - "Apathy is Death" and.... I have to agree.

[nagerous]

Ok, I will claim. I'm William Turner, town swordsmith. I'm lover with Elizabeth Swann, which will die if I die. I let you to determine who is Elizabeth, even if is pretty obvious. I can make swords, which have 2 actions.

So, let your heart decide then.

Does that mean that you let people do another one of their actions, or the swords have an action in themselves?

Unvote vote fircoal - excess information was not required at this moment in time, the name claim was perfectly sufficient. All that knowing the extra information did at this stage of the game was give scum information for the night as per how this particular role would work. He didn't need to share that much. The fact that you only show up after a period of inactivity to press the guy who claimed William Turner is major scummy in my eyes, coupled with the weak defence that you were inactive accross all mafia games, which just isn't true, instead you're trying to scumarine through this day 1.

[mandalorian2298]

Ok, I will claim. I'm William Turner, town swordsmith. I'm lover with Elizabeth Swann, which will die if I die. I let you to determine who is Elizabeth, even if is pretty obvious. I can make swords, which have 2 actions.

So, let your heart decide then.

I'm pretty sure this is a true claim. Unless someone will counterclaim, I'd recommend the doctor protecting both him and Elizabeth (I think it's rather obvious who has this role). If we want to lynch someone, we better hurry. I'd strongly advise to go with Mandy, but I'd be fine with Strike or one of the scummariners (Victor).

He recommends that Doctor protects two people... Useful, isn't he. Belay that Doc. Protect Elizabeth. If there is a Watcher in the game (and in a naval game there should be someone with a looking glass in hand) WATCH Falko. Either scum don't make a move in which case we keep our proven townie or they make a move and we get walk one of their of the plank.

Well...yea..Unvote


I don't think you would go really far with that claim if it was fake. So I am inclined to say it's true.

I think I'Ll go with the second best choice I had in mind then..Vote: Mandy

Wasn't as heratic as Falko was, and I may not have said a word yet on him..but never too late for that

Yeah, shame on me not wanting to bandwagon one of the most useful players in the game for a sake of...hell, I still don't know what you bunch of haring hoped to achieve. Also, I am a way bigger heretic then Falko is, so I really don't know what you're talking about there.

Anyway, dear townies, I hate to sound like a broken record from Buffy, but still: Deadline is a approaching. Grow a brain. Lynch Commander and be lively about it.

[Commander9]

He recommends that Doctor protects two people... Useful, isn't he. Belay that Doc. Protect Elizabeth. If there is a Watcher in the game (and in a naval game there should be someone with a looking glass in hand) WATCH Falko. Either scum don't make a move in which case we keep our proven townie or they make a move and we get walk one of their of the plank.

Yes, shame on me for suggesting to protect 2 very important town roles. Besides, as long as scum would think that they're protected, they'd be less likely to target them, but you of course don't want that.

Anyway, dear townies, I hate to sound like a broken record from Buffy, but still: Deadline is a approaching. Grow a brain. Lynch Commander and be lively about it.

That's the problem with you - you are absolutely incapable of getting out of tunnel vision: you have seen something once and it becomes an axiom. I'm sorry to say this, but you are just not capable of thinking outside the box, which, considering what I've heard about you, is very sad.

[mandalorian2298]

He recommends that Doctor protects two people... Useful, isn't he. Belay that Doc. Protect Elizabeth. If there is a Watcher in the game (and in a naval game there should be someone with a looking glass in hand) WATCH Falko. Either scum don't make a move in which case we keep our proven townie or they make a move and we get walk one of their of the plank.

Yes, shame on me for suggesting to protect 2 very important town roles. Besides, as long as scum would think that they're protected, they'd be less likely to target them, but you of course don't want that.

As long as scum are stupid enough to believe that Doc can protect 2 people, then this should win us the game: Everyone who is scum should now post something in Pink, since that is an old Day 1 tradition!

Anyway, dear townies, I hate to sound like a broken record from Buffy, but still: Deadline is a approaching. Grow a brain. Lynch Commander and be lively about it.

That's the problem with you - you are absolutely incapable of getting out of tunnel vision: you have seen something once and it becomes an axiom. I'm sorry to say this, but you are just not capable of thinking outside the box, which, considering what I've heard about you, is very sad.

A proven theorem, actually.

[TA1LGUNN3R]

Something.

No seriously I will post something tomorrow after class. Initially I'm in agreement w/ whoever pointed out that the extra information from falko was unnecessary. FOS Strike and Chu.

-Tails

[strike wolf]

Mass you may want to hurry up with rereading and posting deadline is midnight tomorrow. I'm going to see if I can reread this thread by this afternoon but I'm a bit busy today...

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Hmmm, agreed, the least info a confirmed townie needs to give, the better in most cases... FOS PCM, strike
That with fir not responding to much that has been raised against him make for a fair case.
Unvote vote fircoal

[mandalorian2298]

Deadline is approaching and instead of discussion intensifying in order to avoid a No Lynch, everyone is off sulking because their bandwagon turned out to be against a pro-town role.

[got tonkaed]

perhaps I dont understand and I could probably go back to confirm, but can someone explain to me how commander knew beforehand that the two in question were pro town roles? It was also possible that they were not. I guess thats what I haven't understood the most from Commander.

Fircoal has also added little of value so far it would seem, and if worse came to worse I would be willing to consider him for a day 1 vote.

[VioIet]

As long as scum are stupid enough to believe that Doc can protect 2 people, then this should win us the game: Everyone who is scum should now post something in Pink, since that is an old Day 1 tradition!

Is this a reference to Dazey? If so, an honorable reference, but she hasn't been playing mafia for very long.

perhaps I dont understand and I could probably go back to confirm, but can someone explain to me how commander knew beforehand that the two in question were pro town roles? It was also possible that they were not. I guess that's what I haven't understood the most from Commander.

Fircoal has also added little of value so far it would seem, and if worse came to worse I would be willing to consider him for a day 1 vote.

I can understand your confusion tonka, and such a thing would normally look suspicious. However, I think enough hints have been dropped through this thread since day one- and I would rather that they remain subtle. Commander has most likely picked up on these hints, and I don't think anymore attention needs to be brought to these two pro-town roles. Perhaps Day 3 or Day 4 would be better for more explanation, but not this early in the game.

I would prefer to scoot this matter under the rug for now, for the best interest of the town.

vote fircoal - excess information was not required at this moment in time, the name claim was perfectly sufficient. All that knowing the extra information did at this stage of the game was give scum information for the night as per how this particular role would work. He didn't need to share that much. The fact that you only show up after a period of inactivity to press the guy who claimed William Turner is major scummy in my eyes, coupled with the weak defence that you were inactive accross all mafia games, which just isn't true, instead you're trying to scumarine through this day 1.

Naggy brings up a good point, and for this reason, I will also join the Fir bandwagon. My prior vote was on commander for his hostility, but his actions since the claim have been very pro-town. He has been reading these thread very well, and I see no reason to pressure him anymore at this point. I feel a bit bad about the Fircoal wagon becuase it does feel a tad bit rushed. I do think Fir is scummy though. I do wish Falko had chosen not to answer that question- but Falko was doing what he could to save the lives of two people.

I think it would be good for the deadline to be extended. There is always a chance that Fir's lynch doesn't quite pan out the way people want.

Unvote
Vote Fir

[pancakemix]

Falko gave plenty enough info on his own to get himself NK'd. Asking for clarification on something he already gave vague detail on isn't unreasonable.

I'm going to revote strike. I doubt we'll get a lynch today, but he still seems most scummy to me.

[Anarkistsdream]

Several people have been voting the most odd players.

Why are you all totally spreading out votes? Look at the vote count. Of the people who have several votes on them, certainly someone jumps out as scummier than the rest. Vote that person. If none of the people on that list look scummy, then make a case that encourages more of us to get on board. These weak ass votes being throw to and fro do not make me want to vote for anyone in particular.

Unvote

Falko, for having such a powerful town role, you have played the game terribly so far. You got overly defensive way too early and should never have been pushed to claim. Post more things that have substance and quit attacking people. I am hoping Elizabeth has some powers to help out, because it looks like we'll probably lose two townies tonight now.

[edocsil]

Several people have been voting the most odd players.

Why are you all totally spreading out votes? Look at the vote count. Of the people who have several votes on them, certainly someone jumps out as scummier than the rest. Vote that person. If none of the people on that list look scummy, then make a case that encourages more of us to get on board. These weak ass votes being throw to and fro do not make me want to vote for anyone in particular.

Unvote

I will follow Mandy on this one, Vote Commander.

[VioIet]

Several people have been voting the most odd players.

Why are you all totally spreading out votes? Look at the vote count. Of the people who have several votes on them, certainly someone jumps out as scummier than the rest. Vote that person. If none of the people on that list look scummy, then make a case that encourages more of us to get on board. These weak ass votes being throw to and fro do not make me want to vote for anyone in particular.

Unvote

Falko, for having such a powerful town role, you have played the game terribly so far. You got overly defensive way too early and should never have been pushed to claim. Post more things that have substance and quit attacking people. I am hoping Elizabeth has some powers to help out, because it looks like we'll probably lose two townies tonight now.

I don't think falko has played poorly at all, its just that his arguments weren't popular amongst some people. This isn't one sided at all- so it can't all be blamed on falko- as it was just as bad for people to continue to pile the votes on him despite all the subtle hints that were out there. So many of the bandwagoners are just as much to blame if not even more- and a few people, such as Mandy did try to stop the bandwagon several times- knowing it would do no good to continue to pile the votes on him.

And yes sadly, two townies probably will be lost now, but in a game this big, hopefully there are two doctors.

I also don't see why all the votes are spread out. At this point- unless we get word that the mod is extending the deadline- we need to vote one person and stick to it.

[TheSaxlad]

Reading through I think nagerous and Vi have a point on the fircoal wagon. For him to come and attack falko for more info, when it wasnt needed is just plain downright scummy...

vote fircoal

[Anarkistsdream]

I don't wanna look like I am shamelessly bandwagoning when so many people here are using that as a means of accusation, so I would like to give Fir another chance to defend- or redeem- himself. If he hasn't by tonight, I'll cast my vote too. So far, the best case that still exists HAS been against him.

[TA1LGUNN3R]

Now come on thats really not fair. The only reason i was lynched in PB was because I didnt know role flavours. I know POTC, and Im not going to be doing that again.

[/b]unvote vote falco[/b] for being an donkey.

OMGUS

=D>

Oh and nark, by the way thats whats called a Joke omgus vote.

unvote falko

To be honest I have no idea who to vote, everyone seems to be playing very tightly, probably the premium prize available. However it might be worth seeing who the inactives are and why they are inactive at this stage.

Justification.

Can I vote / because he's been Mafia Godfather in the past two games ive been in or is that taking it too far?

At this point in the game (pg 16) this seems out of place.

Commander, you say that you are attacking the misuse of logic and what I have been saying is that that has only seemed to applied when it is against attacks directed at you and often those attacks have been based on your own misunderstandings (intentional or accidental) yet you have been lax on them when it is not you who's been accused based on false logic.

As far as falko. I believe he is actually L-2.

Mandy I don't really understand your viewpoint on tghe falko wagon. So you don't think that falko is scummy? Why?

Lovers? Although I believe Mandy is too smart to defend that way, it would be too obvious.

Attempts to add to the discussion.

Claim Then.

Who or what are you?

Wants the claim from falko, even though he wasn't on the wagon on that point, and did nothing for the "case," however he had voted falko ealier and then unvoted when called on it. Strange.

Reading through I think nagerous and Vi have a point on the fircoal wagon. For him to come and attack falko for more info, when it wasnt needed is just plain downright scummy...

vote fircoal

This is the one that caught my attention. So far he hasn't added much, and then all of a sudden hops on the fircoal wagon right before deadline, using the "he wanted too much info" that has been spoken by a couple of people.

I know that right before deadline this probably won't amount to much, but unvote vote Sax. At the very least, he should be looked at tomorrow.

-Tails

[got tonkaed]

I would not really have a problem pushing a last minute wagon against sax if fircoal comes up with a claim that is worth putting off his bandwagon. As tail mentions, there really is not a sax post of any real substance in 20 or so pages of day 1. He is one of the lower contributors in day 1.

[Falkomagno]

Mod, Can we get a vote count?

[strike wolf]

Well I had to rush my reread a bit but still somethings came to mind.

1. Fircoal looks like a very valid lynch as he has contributed pretty much nothing in regards to actually discussing possible scum. Laid low, made a few comments defending himself for lurking and commented based on feeling that no one looked scummy to him which I find odd.

2. Mandy also to me looks like a very valid lynch. I'd like to apologize in part because I feel I was too quick in writing off his theory as justr mandy-esque because it seems to feed into a series of odd statements which make me feel he has a oddly good grip on both this game's mechanics and who is town. I feel at the very least an investigative role should take a look at him tonight.

3. Saxlad is suspicious for lurking and claiming that he was unsure how to feel about everyone's actions in game similar to fircoal. Tailgunner's post seems like a reasonable list as to why he is scummy but i'd also like to add this:

You should have seen how fast he got lynched as the mafia GF in my BP mafia.

I don't really see what that has to do with anything so far this game. Are you insinuating that sax...lad is the GF, so he is refraining from positing so that he wont say anything wrong. How do you know? I just get the feeling that there is more to this comment than meets the eye.

Just saying he might be keeping his mouth shut, casue last time he was head honcho scum he got axed mighty fast. No idea if he is one now, he just might try to lay a bit lower this game.

Now come on thats really not fair. The only reason i was lynched in PB was because I didnt know role flavours. I know POTC, and Im not going to be doing that again.

[/b]unvote vote falco[/b] for being an donkey.

Forgive me if I am over thinking his comment but this looks to me like he has already been considering what he will use as a possible fake claim. I believe it is possible that both he and fircoal are scum as well as mandy and since mandy and fircoal should already have enough pressure to post a defense of some sort ill follow tails and vote sax

4. Victor is another obvious lurker. I've repeated my viewpoint on his only contributions to this thread so consider this more of a side note.

5. Mass miracle is by far the most inactive player his two contributions focus first on shamelessly trying to disassociate himself from vio and falko based on clan. The second one saying he was lost and would catch up FRIDAY showing that he was unaware the deadline (not completely surprising considering his absense but noteworthy as his reply suggested he had read at least some of what he had missed already).

I'm sure I'm forgetting at least one person but I need to finish some work.

[nagerous]

Reading through I think nagerous and Vi have a point on the fircoal wagon. For him to come and attack falko for more info, when it wasnt needed is just plain downright scummy...

vote fircoal

This is the one that caught my attention. So far he hasn't added much, and then all of a sudden hops on the fircoal wagon right before deadline, using the "he wanted too much info" that has been spoken by a couple of people.

I know that right before deadline this probably won't amount to much, but unvote vote Sax. At the very least, he should be looked at tomorrow.

-Tails

Out of interest what reasoning would you expect him to use? Fircoal has laid low, and only posts to fish information out about the role flavour of one of the key roles. Your logic for voting him on this point doesn't make sense. A lynch is preferable to no lynch we all know that so I don't see the harm in the fact that he would join the bandwagon at this stage when time is running out.