[SPECIAL] Surprise Mafia - Over - Mafia Wins - MVP Aladdin

[rishaed]

Alright i've caught up. CC has been giving me issues in the forums, and hasn't been recognized that i've been logged in.
Apologies everyone. Likewise I will try to answer all the questions that you guys have.
first TWR's Night actions as they are the easiest.
N1:Wing
N2:Wing
N3:IB
N4:Storr
The reason i switched off of IB to storr is that Storr was absolute confirmed town and he was a strong voice of logic that i felt like town would go after. Seeing as TWR was hinting at a protective role I felt that we had one more night where I would not have to jail our confirmed cop. Hindsight as it were is 20/20.
The reasons on why i don't trust your inventions ragain, right now is that many of them have been unreliable or had ill side effects. Such as the gun, where if you wanted to use it as a vig, it would backfire and kill you apparently. While you say its condeming that i don't vote deg because I know I am town, its not a convincing argument when many of the inventions this game have gone haywire and not functioned as "advertised."
The case against me and deg is utter rubbish. I say we look elsewhere for today.
Unless you want to put the nail in your own coffin and lynch your last protective role, which is probably going to die tonight anyways.

[the white rose]

hmm, i am inclined to believe rish.

we know that his role his correct as we know that wing was prevented from killing on N1 and N2.

ib often gets killed as VT due to his experience, which suggests a very good reason why no-one died N3.

Storr must have been a prime target last night too, having proved his resurrection powers, must be quite frustrating for scum to have someone bringing back town PR roles, especially insane cop who would by now know that he was insane.

problem is, deg looks town too. you give scum a gun to kill daytime, you can be sure they will use it to kill.

that brings us by process of elimination that the definer is not right.....now why would that be?

does it have a design fault? no evidence to suggest that ragian's inventions do not work....or has benga given us 3 townies saying one is scum in order for us to lynch 3 townies?

[Iron Butterfly]

Regarding the "blood on his hands" theory, no one has answered my objection that no one died the night before. So how could anyone have blood on their hands? My theory isn't that it inverted who the glasses looked at, it only inverted the result, namely that since IB didn't have blood on his hands, the glasses showed that he did.

If you look at it in the context of all three gifts then TWR makes perfect sense.

We can only speak about "blood on his hands" in a general way as there is specific definition. BUT if we speak of it from a team mafia perspective it would make perfect sense. One could argue that all Nazis had blood on their hands during WW2 even though not everyone killed someone.

Why would I get a Town result on a third party survivor? Bus driver?perhaps. But with all LSU inventions taken into account and how they have worked TWR makes perfect sense.

[Iron Butterfly]

Alright i've caught up. CC has been giving me issues in the forums, and hasn't been recognized that i've been logged in.
Apologies everyone. Likewise I will try to answer all the questions that you guys have.
first TWR's Night actions as they are the easiest.
N1:Wing
N2:Wing
N3:IB
N4:Storr
The reason i switched off of IB to storr is that Storr was absolute confirmed town and he was a strong voice of logic that i felt like town would go after. Seeing as TWR was hinting at a protective role I felt that we had one more night where I would not have to jail our confirmed cop. Hindsight as it were is 20/20.
The reasons on why i don't trust your inventions ragain, right now is that many of them have been unreliable or had ill side effects. Such as the gun, where if you wanted to use it as a vig, it would backfire and kill you apparently. While you say its condeming that i don't vote deg because I know I am town, its not a convincing argument when many of the inventions this game have gone haywire and not functioned as "advertised."
The case against me and deg is utter rubbish. I say we look elsewhere for today.
Unless you want to put the nail in your own coffin and lynch your last protective role, which is probably going to die tonight anyways.

If you are mafia and Rag is Town what else could you say? Your only recourse is to question the inventor. To admit otherwise means to admit that there is mafia between you and Deg. I find it curious you make no mention of LSU as far as bad inventions.

[Iron Butterfly]

By the way I find it strongly suspicious how / put the focus on Mets while we have a discussion on Rish Deg.

[Ragian]

The reasons on why i don't trust your inventions ragain, right now is that many of them have been unreliable or had ill side effects. Such as the gun, where if you wanted to use it as a vig, it would backfire and kill you apparently. While you say its condeming that i don't vote deg because I know I am town, its not a convincing argument when many of the inventions this game have gone haywire and not functioned as "advertised."

Bullshit. I put the suicide bit in on purpose. That's not a glitch. You have NO evidence that my inventions have not worked.

It actually succeeded Rish to make himself more scummy just now.

unvote

I need to think if Ricehead is actually scum rather than Deg.

[degaston]

Benga and LSU, can you tell us about the gifts you received?

[Metsfanmax]

Regarding the "blood on his hands" theory, no one has answered my objection that no one died the night before. So how could anyone have blood on their hands? My theory isn't that it inverted who the glasses looked at, it only inverted the result, namely that since IB didn't have blood on his hands, the glasses showed that he did.

If you look at it in the context of all three gifts then TWR makes perfect sense.

I have to admit that this is true. It's just... benga doesn't strike me as scum. I can't put my finger on why. I just read him as town. I wish I could give a more compelling reason, but I don't have one.

[Metsfanmax]

By the way I find it strongly suspicious how / put the focus on Mets while we have a discussion on Rish Deg.

That's true. I mostly just thought the case was weird. Like, he says that "Bullet Bill" has never been used on CC but that is false, it was one of the possible roles in Storr's pick your power mafia. I was in that, so was Streaker, but IIRC bullet bill wasn't actually one of the roles that ended up getting selected. I'm guessing that's where Streaker lifted the idea for the role from? After seeing the role I looked back at the PYP thread and it looks like my ability is very similar to the way Storr described it there. So it's strange timing and strange arguments.

[Iron Butterfly]

Benga and LSU, can you tell us about the gifts you received?

more important....who had the gift "from mafia" or whatever it was??

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

Vote Count

Rish (2) - benga, Mitch,
Deg (2) - Mets, LSU,
Mitch (1) - Aladdin
Mets (1) - /,
Benga (1) - TWR,
No lynch (2) - rish, players

8 to lynch. Deadline monday 29th 12:00 CC time

[Iron Butterfly]

hmm, i am inclined to believe rish.

we know that his role his correct as we know that wing was prevented from killing on N1 and N2.
Which could very easily be a mafia role blocker. Rish would be telling the truth he blocked Wing

ib often gets killed as VT due to his experience, which suggests a very good reason why no-one died N3.
Fromwhat experience do you speak? I have gotten killed as a VT true but in a game this size it would be stupid for mafia to kill me as a VT.
Storr must have been a prime target last night too, having proved his resurrection powers, must be quite frustrating for scum to have someone bringing back town PR roles, especially insane cop who would by now know that he was insane.
It does not change the fact that Stor was a VT while Mars went unprotected.

problem is, deg looks town too. you give scum a gun to kill daytime, you can be sure they will use it to kill.
If scum where to receive a gun knowing it was not from their mafia team they would be stupid to use it to kill. Your argument is wrong

that brings us by process of elimination that the definer is not right.....now why would that be?
Your logic proves nothing of the sort.

does it have a design fault? no evidence to suggest that ragian's inventions do not work....or has benga given us 3 townies saying one is scum in order for us to lynch 3 townies?

[Iron Butterfly]

BUT now we get to Benga. Ragian could be telling the truth. His post on the origins of his inventions and the fun factor seemed to sincere to be a lie.

If you go by the theory that the LSU inventions are a reflection of who used them rather then who they were used on Benga would be scum.

[degaston]

Benga and LSU, can you tell us about the gifts you received?

more important....who had the gift "from mafia" or whatever it was??

That was benga, but it was from LSU:

Got an item, didn't expect it was from either rag or lsu, cause of nature of it. Seems to me I am being manipulated here.

Can't use it yet

Benga your gift is indeed from me. You aren't being manipulated. It was mentioned that I should do one that should be used on me so I can try to verify if I'm just insane or completely goofy inventor.

Storr's death was probably tied to giving his life force to our raised insane cop and having them go down together.

Someone gave me a gift last night, but I'm not able to use it. If it's not Ragian, then we have someone lying about their ability.

Benga I'll be messaging Dakky and find out why all of a sudden you can't use my gift during the day when every other invention I did was able to be done then.

I got an item stating it's from mafia, initially I thought someone slipped me this item to make more of case on you, but now you are doing it alone

Sorry my drunk ass got it wrong, title of pm was surprise mafia item

LSU, did dakky respond about benga using your gift during the day?

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By the way I find it strongly suspicious how / put the focus on Mets while we have a discussion on Rish Deg.

That's true. I mostly just thought the case was weird. Like, he says that "Bullet Bill" has never been used on CC but that is false, it was one of the possible roles in Storr's pick your power mafia. I was in that, so was Streaker, but IIRC bullet bill wasn't actually one of the roles that ended up getting selected. I'm guessing that's where Streaker lifted the idea for the role from? After seeing the role I looked back at the PYP thread and it looks like my ability is very similar to the way Storr described it there. So it's strange timing and strange arguments.

Riiiiight. because the case was going so well, wasn't it? I already gave my opinion on the case just before, so I came up with an alternative.
I find it strange that the two people at the top of my scum list find it strange (One of whom who isn't voting, yet is discouraging alternate cases.) FOS IB

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Sorry, accidentally hit submit early.

I was going to comment on Mets' post: Here is what Stor posted about Bullet Bill:

Bullet Bill -
You love bullets and the smell of gunpowder. At night you can target a player and find out if they are carrying a gun.

This says nothing about the problems I outlined. This is barely a role explanation. It is not a role that Streaker would place into the game.

On the other hand, lets look at this post:
viewtopic.php?f=610&t=136880&p=3054455&hilit=gunsmith#p3054455

It would seem plausible that Streaker does know what a gunsmith is, given that he looked it up on a wiki at one point (Plus even if he forgot, this establishes that he does use a wiki to look up roles, so there's little chance that he would use such obscure terms incorrectly ripped from other games.) Since YOU Mets seem to recognize it right off the bat makes it all the more plausible that YOU were the one that looked up a game with a long list of obscure unused, unheard of roles for a fakeclaim and screwed up.

[Iron Butterfly]

By the way I find it strongly suspicious how / put the focus on Mets while we have a discussion on Rish Deg.

That's true. I mostly just thought the case was weird. Like, he says that "Bullet Bill" has never been used on CC but that is false, it was one of the possible roles in Storr's pick your power mafia. I was in that, so was Streaker, but IIRC bullet bill wasn't actually one of the roles that ended up getting selected. I'm guessing that's where Streaker lifted the idea for the role from? After seeing the role I looked back at the PYP thread and it looks like my ability is very similar to the way Storr described it there. So it's strange timing and strange arguments.

Riiiiight. because the case was going so well, wasn't it? I already gave my opinion on the case just before, so I came up with an alternative.
I find it strange that the two people at the top of my scum list find it strange (One of whom who isn't voting, yet is discouraging alternate cases.) FOS IB

Gee Im suspicious FOS you crack me up.

[Metsfanmax]

I was going to comment on Mets' post: Here is what Stor posted about Bullet Bill:

Bullet Bill -
You love bullets and the smell of gunpowder. At night you can target a player and find out if they are carrying a gun.

This says nothing about the problems I outlined.

Here is some more of what Storr posted from that same thread:

Question re: bullet bill. Would he trigger on any mafia, or does it have to be a NV mafia specifically with a killing role?

Triggers on people who have killing roles. (Does not trigger off "nukes"
The mafia who submits the kp, would trigger bullet bill as well.

Which is basically exactly how I described my role. So would you like to try again? Maybe you should continue suggesting that Bullet Bill is an obscure role in a game that contains the Flying Pumpkin That Shoots Lasers Out Of It's Ass. Do whatever you want honestly, I'm done responding to this case until a later day, at which point I can field all the accusations your little heart desires about how I looked up an unused role in a game that ended over a year ago and chose it as a mafia fakeclaim. Between benga, deg, and rish, there's plenty that's actually useful to talk about right now.

[Metsfanmax]

(And LOL, you'd think if he was making a serious case against me he would have bothered to do a forum search, find that post, and try to use it to incriminate me. I've just seriously downgraded my estimation of /'s skill at mafia.)

Can someone refresh my memory on whether benga has claimed to have used both of his cop checks? If he has, then I'd feel slightly more comfortable with risking a benga lynch. But only slightly.

[rishaed]

Alright i've caught up. CC has been giving me issues in the forums, and hasn't been recognized that i've been logged in.
Apologies everyone. Likewise I will try to answer all the questions that you guys have.
first TWR's Night actions as they are the easiest.
N1:Wing
N2:Wing
N3:IB
N4:Storr
The reason i switched off of IB to storr is that Storr was absolute confirmed town and he was a strong voice of logic that i felt like town would go after. Seeing as TWR was hinting at a protective role I felt that we had one more night where I would not have to jail our confirmed cop. Hindsight as it were is 20/20.
The reasons on why i don't trust your inventions ragain, right now is that many of them have been unreliable or had ill side effects. Such as the gun, where if you wanted to use it as a vig, it would backfire and kill you apparently. While you say its condeming that i don't vote deg because I know I am town, its not a convincing argument when many of the inventions this game have gone haywire and not functioned as "advertised."
The case against me and deg is utter rubbish. I say we look elsewhere for today.
Unless you want to put the nail in your own coffin and lynch your last protective role, which is probably going to die tonight anyways.

If you are mafia and Rag is Town what else could you say? Your only recourse is to question the inventor. To admit otherwise means to admit that there is mafia between you and Deg. I find it curious you make no mention of LSU as far as bad inventions.

If I am mafia and Rag is Town, then logically i should be voting Deg right now considering all of the trust i had in me. What do I gain as Mafia if we are at LYLO as suspected and I refuse to take the easy lynch? Nothing except possibly screw myself to my own death. LSU's inventions have been useless all game (hence why i didn't mention it), and I haven't seen anything great out of ragians since wing was actually a cpr doc, and I thought he was the Scum/SK of the three of us. The gun, when it was used from what we knew had us thinking that Mitch would die the next day (he didn't), and would kill the user if a vig shot was attempted. I'd say that's some pretty ill side effects. Normally i wouldn't distrust inventions this much, but this game has precedent for it.

[PLAYER57832]

Vote LSU.. though not with great confidence.

[PLAYER57832]

submitted quick ... the inventions were not beneficial. Maybe that was a mistake or twist put in by the mods, but also might have been a intentional design.

[rizky_biznezz]

Not necessarily rish if u were mafia u would.know that deg will flip town and u will most likely be next to be lynched if we follow the investigation so there are arguments for u voting and not voting deg unfortunately.. I am curious about benga though and if he flipped scum it would most likely clear u for saving IB but I have no idea who is lying so don't know which way to go right now

[DJPatrick]

Hi guys,
BACK and yet it's same old same old...have been away for four days helping daughter out of a violent situation...neighbourhood not partner...as this is Australia it became baseball bats and machetes rather than guns as there a none here outside rural areas (and believe me I looked)...anyway still Australia so put in a leave application for the time due to needing to "sort shit out" with proof of a Court issued Apprehended Violence Order...got paid by the taxpayer to go inerstate with a baseball bat and intent...gotta love that...
But, to the point, don't see Deg as scum at all...not sure on Rish and digging further into who put the either/or up for a vote...
Realize I haven't been spot on with all my votes but Storr and the MonkeyMan pissed me off big time anyway...If they proclaim they are so good at this game why did they drag each other down...

reappraised the whole fucxken box and dice and go back to day one...VOTE THE WHITE ROSE

[DJPatrick]

btw...i'M NOT ACTUALLY SAYING that TWA isw Scum, more just getting a vote in...seems that all the pps who have been posting almost non-stop have been Town and have been killed...maybe, just maybe, there's a few Mafia lingering in the Shadows and rubbing their hands as we kill each other?