[INTERMEDIATE]Enemy of My Enemy - Archive please

[Ragian]

Look. Today ends with lynching LSU or epi. No dice there. Either side can offer to investigate whoever, but it's the same offer they can give.

I'm currently debating if I would lynch an oracle/seer over a werewolf/goon. Getting rid of a werewolf/goon rather than an oracle/seer still enables us one more shot at investigating (an investgation, of course, we can't control).

@Tim, did you learn what kind of non-town people these two are? I.e. their roles?

i deffinatly dont think were learning anything new on thi just LSU trying to frame me.
@Ragian no i didnt get told what type they was just what they was.

Alright. It was a long shot. I was just thinking that if you knew that one was a goon/wolf and the other was seer/oracle, it would be preferable to off the goon/wolf. But if you don't know, then that's down the drain.

@dakky, what do you mean town can't win? And why didn't you include the chance of anti-town hitting anti-town. Hotshot, I think, also pointed to this. Anti-town need to eliminate the other anti-town too, according to the first post.

Looking forward to hearing from streaker and mtam tomorrow.

[dakky21]

@dakky, what do you mean town can't win? And why didn't you include the chance of anti-town hitting anti-town. Hotshot, I think, also pointed to this. Anti-town need to eliminate the other anti-town too, according to the first post.

Yes, there is a chance that anti-town hits anti-town. In fact, if they wish to win, they need another faction dead. If one side hits another tonight, town will have chances, but in case that doesn't happen, town can't win, even with lynching Epi & LSU.

It's only numbers... currently 10 alive, out of which 6 town and 4 mafia.
Option 2)
D2: lynch Epi/LSU
N2: scum hits scum, 1 town killed
D3: 7 alive, 5 town 2 mafia, lynch LSU/epi
N3: 6 alive, 5 town 1 mafia
D4: 5 alive, 4 town 1 mafia, very big chances for town to win

I agree that's an option, but it will really be dependent on luck, if two townies die tonight, D3 we will have 4 town 3 mafia and it's a gg for town, even with a remainder lynch of Epi or LSU...

[TimWoodbury]

daky math makes since though we shouldnt worry about it till tomarrow i dont think

[dakky21]

daky math makes since though we shouldnt worry about it till tomarrow i dont think

I agree, because we can't change anything. Even with Epi / LSU confirmed as scum, town purely depends on the scum now.

Let's just vote one of them so we can get to "tomorrow" and see what will happen N2.

Two town kills mafia wins, only one town kill, we have a lot of chances still.

[dakky21]

EBWOP

Two town kills mafia wins, only one town kill, we have a lot of chances still.

Wow that shit rhymes

Two town kills,
mafia wins
Only one town kill,
we have a lot of chances still.

[Ragian]

I don't agree.

We're six townies now. If two die tonight, we're four townies. If two die N3, we're two townies vs. one of each of the anti-town. How is that a loss given that anti-town must be the only anti-town faction alive? I don't get your scenario...?

[Marashu]

DAILY VOTE COUNT:
LSU: TimWoodbury, Streaker, madmitch (L-3)
Epitaph1: LSU, dakky (L-4)
Not Voting: Epitaph1, MrBelly, Ragian, HotShot, mtam

Deadline is Tuesday, December 29, 1600CCT. With 10 alive, it takes 6 votes to lynch.

[dakky21]

I don't agree.

We're six townies now. If two die tonight, we're four townies. If two die N3, we're two townies vs. one of each of the anti-town. How is that a loss given that anti-town must be the only anti-town faction alive? I don't get your scenario...?

Seems that actually you are right. There must be a fail somewhere in my math.
Only if both nights that follow 4 townies are killed, only then anti-town wins for sure, which faction is unknown.
If two die tonight and two N3, it is 2v1v1, it's over for town even with correct lynch.

[Ragian]

No wait, that sounds correct. I agree with that. In a 2-1-1 scenario, even if antitown is lynched, the other faction wins given their nightkill.

Luckily, odds are that anti-town will hit each other (or at least attempt to get the other one lynched). There's also the possibility that they kill off the same person at night.

[Epitaph1]

LSU and other werewolf, I have a proposal. Since the town can't block our kills and LSU and me have been outed, how about we call our shots for the coming night right now?

It doesn't matter if we clear someone as town because they are going to lynch you and me in the next two days. Hell, we can go ahead and figure out our next 4 kills between the two factions and guarantee that we end up with a 2 town vs. 1 mafia and 1 werewolf. Rag just confirmed that would give one of the anti-town factions the win. I'll take a werewolf or mafia win over a town win.

We'll figure out the targets once you agree. And we'll have to figure out investigations. Maybe don't do them so we don't give away the other partner? idk. I'd like to hear your thoughts on that.

[MrBellyBangBang]

Does anyone else feel this game was not very well balanced? I mean if all it takes for town to be screwed is to kill one of our own in day one, then it doesn't really feel like we had much of a chance from the beginning.

[dakky21]

Does anyone else feel this game was not very well balanced? I mean if all it takes for town to be screwed is to kill one of our own in day one, then it doesn't really feel like we had much of a chance from the beginning.

Totally agree. I'm telling you last 2 pages that town is screwed however you put it.
They could even say who the pairs are so they aim at town for sure. Endgame is 2v1v1 and they win.

[madmitch]

@ Dakky if that is how you feel then hang your self, there is always a chance , we know two scum now ,lets find the other two , but if we are going to lose lets go down fighting and get rid of the ones we know of. I say we all vote for LSU , WHO EVER does vote may be his partner , lets try something enough wasting time.

[madmitch]

I meant who does not vote, holy shite I am getting as bad as Tim lol

[Epitaph1]

Werewolves, in case they lynch LSU before you check in, Kill Tim, Belly, or mtam.

LSU, give us three or four names to choose from so we don't hit you and we'll take the town 2 at a time.

[dakky21]

@ Dakky if that is how you feel then hang your self, there is always a chance , we know two scum now ,lets find the other two , but if we are going to lose lets go down fighting and get rid of the ones we know of. I say we all vote for LSU , WHO EVER does vote may be his partner , lets try something enough wasting time.

Actually if they put some names like Epi started to do (and excluding his partner) and werewolves do the same, we will have 2v1v1 in the endgame and there is no fighting it can change that.
I'd rather skip N2 & D3 & N3 and go directily into D4 so we can wrap this game up, because it makes no sense.

Unless we aim randomly today someone apart from Epi or LSU and hit scum. But even then we would need to hit another scum tomorrow in order to leave just one party alive and only one NK so N3 only one town dies. Would leave us at 3v1 and I see that as our only chance.

[Ragian]

Nag, nag, nag. The setup was open from the beginning. Let's just play the game. Moreover, I'm betting money that epi put his partner in there somewhere. He's playing ball.

@mitch, let's listen to streaker and mtam before voting LSU off.

[MrBellyBangBang]

Does anyone else feel this game was not very well balanced? I mean if all it takes for town to be screwed is to kill one of our own in day one, then it doesn't really feel like we had much of a chance from the beginning.

Totally agree. I'm telling you last 2 pages that town is screwed however you put it.
They could even say who the pairs are so they aim at town for sure. Endgame is 2v1v1 and they win.

Yeah, what little chance we have is diminished even more by dragging this out, a long day doesn't benefit us anymore, Vote LSU.

Btw you probably screwed us when you pointed it out, if you're scum then well done, if you're town you definitely shouldn't have said anything. I won't blame you if you're town though, it was poor faction balancing from marashu's part either way.

[LSU Tiger Josh]

MTam belly and dakky are safe night kills

[dakky21]

MTam belly and dakky are safe night kills

Werewolves, in case they lynch LSU before you check in, Kill Tim, Belly, or mtam.

Combination of these two makes mtam & belly confirmed town,
Said I'm town and said LSU & EPI are mafia

it leaves ragian, hotshot, streaker, mitch & tim ...... 2 of them are scum...

Now it brings the question... what if Tim revealed his partner on purpose?

As I said before we gain nothing from LSU / EPI kill when they're confirmed scum. If they kill mtam & belly tonight, next day they will say 2 more safe kills and it is game over for town.

I'd rather go with trying to lynch.... say.... Tim?

[TimWoodbury]

MTam belly and dakky are safe night kills

Werewolves, in case they lynch LSU before you check in, Kill Tim, Belly, or mtam.

Combination of these two makes mtam & belly confirmed town,
Said I'm town and said LSU & EPI are mafia

it leaves ragian, hotshot, streaker, mitch & tim ...... 2 of them are scum...

Now it brings the question... what if Tim revealed his partner on purpose?

As I said before we gain nothing from LSU / EPI kill when they're confirmed scum. If they kill mtam & belly tonight, next day they will say 2 more safe kills and it is game over for town.

I'd rather go with trying to lynch.... say.... Tim?

lets not alo forget that epi i calling you hi partner..... are you eally going to let lsu twist everything i said today to make it look like i revealed my partner and then said lets kill himm??? if thats the cae your gonna lynch a townie here and there is deffinatly no chance of town win.

[Epitaph1]

MTam belly and dakky are safe night kills

Remaining werewolf, Kill mtamburini. We'll kill Belly.

[MrBellyBangBang]

MTam belly and dakky are safe night kills

Remaining werewolf, Kill mtamburini. We'll kill Belly.

But I'm the town's milkman!! Doesn't mafia need someone to deliver milk too??

[TimWoodbury]

i think they are doing them 2 so me and dakky will point fingers at each other on d3

[dakky21]

If we as town don't agree on a non-confirmed scum then scum will win.

Tim, you look like you accept the fate but still vouching to kill LSU, while still not realizing the situation in which the town is. You are my vote, you're not that newb.

I may be wrong, so lets see what others have to say. (if Streaker, Hotshot, MTAM say something today...)