[Official]Adventure time mafia:MAFIA WIN!

[madmitch]

@ streaker you are right about me soft-posting but it looked like on day 1 I was a goner until Dakky screwed up and Tim unvoted for me for some information that I would find out but now I wished I did not say anything

[Streaker]

@ streaker you are right about me soft-posting but it looked like on day 1 I was a goner until Dakky screwed up and Tim unvoted for me for some information that I would find out but now I wished I did not say anything

Who are you reading as town in this game? What do you think about wing so far?

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

Wing You seem awfully relaxed. Not voted yet. I'm sure you are caught up by now. Have you noticed any interactions by dakky on D1 that caught your attention? Who is your top scum pick and top town pick at this moment?

I am treating this as D1 to be honest. Early days to be voting. My strongest scum pick is Kratos followed by Tim. Cant really do much until Kratos actually posts. I am loath to say anyone is town, if forced I'd go with Rage.

Mitch soft claimed D1 but it appeared that nobody noticed as Mafia didnt kill him. Now White Rose set out his argument for this situation when the cop claims randomly. I think it involved killing the first person identified as town.... I disagreed with the logic in that game, but something to bear in mind.

As I said in my first post, there is little to read into Dakky's posts, hence why I am disappointed that no one pushed him properly for reads etc. I hope you've learnt for future games from that one.

[Streaker]

Wing You seem awfully relaxed. Not voted yet. I'm sure you are caught up by now. Have you noticed any interactions by dakky on D1 that caught your attention? Who is your top scum pick and top town pick at this moment?

I am treating this as D1 to be honest. Early days to be voting. My strongest scum pick is Kratos followed by Tim. Cant really do much until Kratos actually posts. I am loath to say anyone is town, if forced I'd go with Rage.

Mitch soft claimed D1 but it appeared that nobody noticed as Mafia didnt kill him. Now White Rose set out his argument for this situation when the cop claims randomly. I think it involved killing the first person identified as town.... I disagreed with the logic in that game, but something to bear in mind.

As I said in my first post, there is little to read into Dakky's posts, hence why I am disappointed that no one pushed him properly for reads etc. I hope you've learnt for future games from that one.

Interesting that you pick Kratos as top scum pick, actually. I was going to say something on him.

He was active on D1, yet to post on D2. Made a few good posts, making me read him as leaning town. Then he dissapears as the day closes down with a dakky lynch. What makes him your top suspect at this time?

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

Wing You seem awfully relaxed. Not voted yet. I'm sure you are caught up by now. Have you noticed any interactions by dakky on D1 that caught your attention? Who is your top scum pick and top town pick at this moment?

I am treating this as D1 to be honest. Early days to be voting. My strongest scum pick is Kratos followed by Tim. Cant really do much until Kratos actually posts. I am loath to say anyone is town, if forced I'd go with Rage.

Mitch soft claimed D1 but it appeared that nobody noticed as Mafia didnt kill him. Now White Rose set out his argument for this situation when the cop claims randomly. I think it involved killing the first person identified as town.... I disagreed with the logic in that game, but something to bear in mind.

As I said in my first post, there is little to read into Dakky's posts, hence why I am disappointed that no one pushed him properly for reads etc. I hope you've learnt for future games from that one.

Interesting that you pick Kratos as top scum pick, actually. I was going to say something on him.

He was active on D1, yet to post on D2. Made a few good posts, making me read him as leaning town. Then he dissapears as the day closes down with a dakky lynch. What makes him your top suspect at this time?

I did outline this in my first post... He acknowledge the Dakky case then proceeded to ignore it in favour of building a case against Mitch which Tim then followed onto. It looks like they were trying to deflect conversation away to me.

Remember to look at the reasons for actions.

[madmitch]

@ STREAKER I am thinking WCG is town by his post so far like he said there is not very much out there to read . WE NEED THE QUIET ONES TO POST

[the white rose]

If I were to pick an alternative scum to streaker, then i would have to go for ptlowe, another good player who has kept a distinctive low profile and is offering nothing towards the town effort of identifying scum.

It is true that since mitch claiming cop and clearing me, i have posted in a more free manner without any care as to whether my posts are interpreted as scum or not. not convinced of mitch's claim as yet, but nothing to suggest that he is lying.

cyan would be a top pick if he were not so hunted by streaker.

Sorry, can't offer anything else....time will tell if i am right or not.

[Streaker]

If I were to pick an alternative scum to streaker, then i would have to go for ptlowe, another good player who has kept a distinctive low profile and is offering nothing towards the town effort of identifying scum.

It is true that since mitch claiming cop and clearing me, i have posted in a more free manner without any care as to whether my posts are interpreted as scum or not. not convinced of mitch's claim as yet, but nothing to suggest that he is lying.

cyan would be a top pick if he were not so hunted by streaker.

Sorry, can't offer anything else....time will tell if i am right or not.

Can't offer anything else? What about that scum read you promised on D1?

lol, the poem was in reply to ib's poem......I do not think ib is scum though, which is why i removed my vote on him.

I am however working to a theory on getting a read on scum, cannot reveal that just yet, but will do soon

[the white rose]

the theory was to do with dakky, based on him getting very nervous early on when he attracted 4 joke votes....left me wondering about him.....and based on that looked at the way others interacted with him....that ultimately led to me switching my vote to dakky making him l-1. from there i looked to see who was trying to save him.....my theory has worked well so far even though it now seems to have fallen on deaf ears.

I have worked hard to analyse postings made.....my previous post summarizes my findings, they may or may not be supported but there they are unless and until someone else convinces me otherwise, either through persuasion or making the same sort of mistake that you made.

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

We do know that one of these is the Double Voter - IB,madmitch,Streaker,timwoodbury,ragian,thewhiterose

If it turns out to be White Rose he should be lynched. I dont believe it to be Mitch, and it wasnt IB, so could be any of Streaker, Tim, Rage or White Rose. No please dont claim. I am just saying this in case I should be killed at some point and dont get the chance. White Roses obsession with L-1 would be disturbing if combined with DoubleVoter claim.

[Streaker]

the theory was to do with dakky, based on him getting very nervous early on when he attracted 4 joke votes....left me wondering about him.....and based on that looked at the way others interacted with him....that ultimately led to me switching my vote to dakky making him l-1. from there i looked to see who was trying to save him.....my theory has worked well so far even though it now seems to have fallen on deaf ears.

I have worked hard to analyse postings made.....my previous post summarizes my findings, they may or may not be supported but there they are unless and until someone else convinces me otherwise, either through persuasion or making the same sort of mistake that you made.

Peculiar, because at the time of your post there was only 1 vote on Dakky... by Mitch if I recall. You must mean the joke votes on dakky PRIOR to game start. Dakky made a single response to that:

Exactly, voting me while the game didn't even start isn't really fair.

A little defensive there dakky, I'd say there are more joke votes on you than normal, but it is incredibly early to be nervous about it.

Agreed, though it never happened to me that during joke stage I get four consecutive joke votes

After this the day started, votes are reset, and it's not mentioned again. Surely if you were really looking at dakky, you would have followed that post up with a case on him. But you didn't, you directed your attention to mitch mostly and only at the very end of the wagon do something with dakky. And you almost instantly unvoted him, too.

I'm calling it right now, white rose mafia godfather.

Let's pressure cyaniteer into a claim first, or alternatively have him replaced in the game, and then push towards a white rose lynch.

fp'd by wing. Let's hear your thoughts on my reasoning here, wing.

[*Pixar*]

yep I agree pressure the inactives first and get a claim out of them before going after actives

vote cyan

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

yep I agree pressure the inactives first and get a claim out of them before going after actives

vote cyan

Lesson for All here.

When making a vote you need to consider what the purpose of your vote is. In this case we know that Cyan isnt the most active of players, and will likely log on read the posts and then respond with a short line to this. Essentially achieving nothing. So I can only assume your purpose here is to register the fact you are bandwagoning with others, and nothing more. If I didnt know better (refer to inexperience here), I'd read that as a purpose that isnt particularly town aligned. Please try again.

Expand the vote by listing a series of questions which you would like answering to better understand the players alignment.

[the white rose]

We do know that one of these is the Double Voter - IB,madmitch,Streaker,timwoodbury,ragian,thewhiterose

If it turns out to be White Rose he should be lynched. I dont believe it to be Mitch, and it wasnt IB, so could be any of Streaker, Tim, Rage or White Rose. No please dont claim. I am just saying this in case I should be killed at some point and dont get the chance. White Roses obsession with L-1 would be disturbing if combined with DoubleVoter claim.

could this be the mistake we have been waiting for?

first off, you cannot have it both ways, if i were the double voter then my vote on dakky was a 100% hammer hardly the action of scum so why on earth would you want to lynch me if i were indeed the double voter? in fact why should we be looking to lynch the double voter in any case, whoever he or she is, was instrumental in lynching dakky, would we have lynched him without the double vote? clearly a double voter is an asset to town, and the only people wanting to lynch him or her must surely be scum?

I would be reluctant to try find the identity of the double voter as we would surely be helping mafia identify a good night kill?

so in that respect I agree with wing, please double voter do not claim....now i need to ask wing why if the double voter turned out to be me would you want to lynch me?

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

now i need to ask wing why if the double voter turned out to be me would you want to lynch me?

If you are the double voter, then you must be mafia double voter.

You have spent the last couple of days accusing Streaker of fake misinterpretation of Dakky's fakeclaim at L-1. You put Dakky at L-1 and then asked him for more information. If you are the doublevoter then you know full when that there could be no claim. So making a WIFOM argument about someones action when you took away the opportunity to unvote anyway is as scummy as it comes. As for being instrumental because you hammered. That is a meaningless argument, Dakky was being lynched at this point whatever, mafia had no reason to stay off the lynch.

Now, please notice the IF. IF you are the doublevoter. No evidence points to either of you four being the doublevoter over the others.

Now answer me this. Has anything in my play over the last couple of days suggested to you that I have anything but the best interests of town at heart? So why leap to the conclusion that I slipped up without thinking?

I completely understand why Streaker is obsessed with you being scum. I cannot believe that Endgame would include a godfather in a 50% vanilla game though, so unless we have a high power town role flip I do not want to lynch you on this basis. Redirector is believable, but again I would like to see evidence of this first.

[Whatsausage]

Only time to read quickly and make a quick post here
@twr, you are confusing role with alignment. Doublevoter isn't automatically town aligned, in fact I would say it is a common scum role. It is also impossible to rule out a third party (which would make more sense as to why they would lynch a scum like that). WCG's point is that it wouldn't be very town to hammer someone like that, even if the player was the only one who knew they were hammering at the time, regardless of the flip.

FP'd by WCG
he also covered this

[Streaker]

Only time to read quickly and make a quick post here
@twr, you are confusing role with alignment. Doublevoter isn't automatically town aligned, in fact I would say it is a common scum role. It is also impossible to rule out a third party (which would make more sense as to why they would lynch a scum like that). WCG's point is that it wouldn't be very town to hammer someone like that, even if the player was the only one who knew they were hammering at the time, regardless of the flip.

FP'd by WCG
he also covered this

I will let you come back to this, when you have more time. Wing isn't confusing anything. Besided, no need bringing up third party. Rose did hint toward it somewhere, but that could be coincidence and is not the matter here.
Please reread.

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

Only time to read quickly and make a quick post here
@twr, you are confusing role with alignment. Doublevoter isn't automatically town aligned, in fact I would say it is a common scum role. It is also impossible to rule out a third party (which would make more sense as to why they would lynch a scum like that). WCG's point is that it wouldn't be very town to hammer someone like that, even if the player was the only one who knew they were hammering at the time, regardless of the flip.

FP'd by WCG
he also covered this

I will let you come back to this, when you have more time. Wing isn't confusing anything. Besided, no need bringing up third party. Rose did hint toward it somewhere, but that could be coincidence and is not the matter here.
Please reread.

@TWR = The White Rose and not Wing.

Please reread Streaker....

[Streaker]

Just not my day...

I consider godfather as a more likely role to give to scum, then double voter in this setup. But I don't want to have this discussion yet (if at all).

I'll wait for rose to respond to my previous post.

[Ragian]

Official Vote count
Streaker(1)-the white rose
Cyanineeter(1)Timwoodbury
With 11 alive it takes 6 to lynch
Deadline is November the 6th

If this is right, I've lost my vote.

I'm calling it right now, white rose mafia godfather.

LOL, I've been thinking this ever since mitch "claimed".

But again, I think it's important that we focus here. I, and I presume everyone on CC by now, understand Rose's thoughts on streaker and vice versa. Move along now.

I'm voting (even though it's not evident from the VC) cyan because he's free riding. I would like his (her?) take on the game so far. That's all I'm asking. If it's another one liner, I move to perhaps replace him/her.

Chummy2scummy list so far
- mitch (am, however, entertaining the thought about a possible, yet unlikely, mitch-Rose scheme)
- streaker(comes off as town to me, but needs to focus)
- wing (comes off as town to me, but has just entered the game)
- what (has participated somewhat more now and it seems decent work)
- Rose (if town, really has tunnel vision)
- Tim (bandwagoning, went for mitch who had softclaimed cop because he softclaimed cop with the excuse that people shouldn't softclaim early - which is true, but doesn't make us get rid of an investigative role)
- Pix, kratos, pt, cyan (I have no clue - Pix is new, but the others haven't said enough to ease my fears)

FP'ed by the bla-blahs

[the white rose]

oh boy, this is getting too deep for me.

i fear my inexperience is beginning to show.

I can understand that there may be a mafia double voter, but cannot accept that such a voter would be voting against a scum mate. would they not be looking to lynch townies? Clearly dakky was the victim of a double voter therefore i am assuming that the double voter is town. Is there something wrong with that logic? Could we really have a mafia double voter voting against mafia....if so, long may he live! maybe he will help kill a scum in a night kill too?

As for godfather, not sure what this is, i know its a scum role but what special powers does one have, is it just a double vote or something else?

and while we are at it can someone please explain the term 'FP'd' I see it all the time, but really cannot work out its meaning.

[Streaker]

oh boy, this is getting too deep for me.

i fear my inexperience is beginning to show.

I can understand that there may be a mafia double voter, but cannot accept that such a voter would be voting against a scum mate. would they not be looking to lynch townies? Clearly dakky was the victim of a double voter therefore i am assuming that the double voter is town. Is there something wrong with that logic? Could we really have a mafia double voter voting against mafia....if so, long may he live! maybe he will help kill a scum in a night kill too?

As for godfather, not sure what this is, i know its a scum role but what special powers does one have, is it just a double vote or something else?

and while we are at it can someone please explain the term 'FP'd' I see it all the time, but really cannot work out its meaning.

It was actually very predictable that you would bring up the 'inexperienced' card at this point. You ain't getting a free pass for being 'new' or 'inexperienced'.

Please adress my post to you, first. Wouldn't want you to miss it.

Godfather - scum that, when investigated by a cop, delivers an 'innocent' result
FP'd = Fastposted, meaning someone posted in the time you were making a post, thus being 'fastposted' by that person.

[the white rose]

thanks for those clarifications

now what do you want me to say?

you want me to admit to being godfather? well i could, but i am not the godfather, all this talk of wifom is confusing me.

I am town alligned, if you do not believe me then go ahead and lynch me, that would be town's mistake not mine.

All I have ever done is to look for suspicious posts.....I found one from Dakky and jumped on him, turned out I was right, then i found one from streaker....am i right, i really do not know, no one else seems convinced and it may have been a genuine mistake by him.....now i see that wing is wanting to lynch me if i am the double voter, ie the one who hammered dakky....he justifies this by claiming i may be a mafia double voter who for some reason decided to move from mitch to dakky to lynch a scum mate....then i get accused of scum for unvoting after his claim, but why on earth would i do that if i were a scum double voter who had just lynched a fellow scum? mitch then claims cop and has investigated me and found me town....so now i am suddenly a double voting godfather who lynched a scum mate? ....and all this cos i am a regular poster examining every post for annomolies and posting my suspicions.

if you really believe that i am a double voting godfather who has just lynched a scum mate then go ahead and lynch me, you will have mafia laughing all night long.

sometimes you know a spade is just a spade and wifom means you are enjoying a glass of wine with your dinner.

now maybe i should take a leaf out of ptlowe's book and just stop posting leaving the rest of town to find scum without my help.

[Streaker]

white rose, you are ignoring the essence of what I want you to respond to. It's all fun and games when you are the one doing the questioning, but when the heat is on to you, you pull out the newb card and throw in the towel?

You said you were going to make a push on dakky. You didn't, you pushed mitch. You also didn't 'jump on a suspicious post from dakky'. You were the LAST one to vote, without even contributing to the case. Yet here you are acting you like are the one that got him lynched.

I want you to adress the inconsistencies in your posting that I have layed out. Go back to my post, read it, and reply. You know well enough how this game works.

You don't need to adress WIFOM, godfather, double voter, or any of the speculation that is going on. I want you to adress where I am calling you out:

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[*Pixar*]

yep I agree pressure the inactives first and get a claim out of them before going after actives

vote cyan

Lesson for All here.

When making a vote you need to consider what the purpose of your vote is. In this case we know that Cyan isnt the most active of players, and will likely log on read the posts and then respond with a short line to this. Essentially achieving nothing. So I can only assume your purpose here is to register the fact you are bandwagoning with others, and nothing more. If I didnt know better (refer to inexperience here), I'd read that as a purpose that isnt particularly town aligned. Please try again.

Expand the vote by listing a series of questions which you would like answering to better understand the players alignment.

lesson for you if you didn't skim you would see that one of my first posts entering I said we should target the people who aren't playing, I'm not on any bandwagon here.