[Exp] CYOC! #4 Endgame! Town wins, you filthy animals

[ptlowe]

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It's great you call out to focus on scumhunting, but you make no effort in actually doing so. In fact, right after calling out we need to scumhunt, you mention joke voting. After that, you revisit the very thing you first said we need to disregard in order to focus on scumhunting.

Unvote, vote ptlowe[/quote]

I think you’re still mad about last game, where you got lynched because of my push. Also, my short post was to show how Ludacris Mitch’s post was. Trying to help gameplay not hinder. You seem to focus me in all games we are together. I think you have a personal vendetta on me and that is hindering your reads.

[madmitch]

[quote="Endgame422"]Mitch i understand your slip up on dakky,but why was wing your second choice?
Benga looks like town to me here. How to you see Benga as town?
actual I was wondering about the connection between you and Dakky and Wing and why he was protecting you guys, but the far scummier person is Mets he is awol again so I UNVOTE VOTE METS

[ptlowe]

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Dakky was scum in 2/3 of the last games that i was involved with but thats not really the point.
Of course its the jokevote stage so im far from certain he is scum but that comment was strange,he seemed to be trying to downplay the scene "subtly" and it seemed like enough reason to give him a push and see how he reacts.
His reaction doesnt really do much for me and id consider him for a claim later but theres lots of time here. Also, I really am beginning to think Streakers IMOs is to point fingers at as many people as possible to get a reaction then yell scum. Wing I feel makes good claims but sticks with Streak sometimes I think because he likes what Streak says.

Sorry was sick over the weekend. Also, I enjoy being challenged to add to the discussion. Funny, how all of the game start at the same time. Alas, I am fairly certain on two separate instances that both Wing and Streak have called people scum for using the previous manouvers.
Streak has called me scum in a game for posting about peoples activity, saying it was just me trying to get focus off myself. Wing has done the same. We aren’t that far into Day 1 were people cannot still come back and be good contributors. I also like how Wing and Streak seem to play right off each other in either game, confuses my reads on them.

I just read Dakky's post as "what?" It is completely nonsensical.

If were talking about Strike- In an hour he went from the above to the below without any intervention from End or I.

havent been in most of the games lately, just a few. so why is dakky scum "again" according to you? (end wing?) i dont see it from the post your referring to.

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Somehow this got placed as a quote. Had issues copy and pasting as I write my posts in word

[ptlowe]

OK folks time to liven this one up.
I am 3rd party survivor.
I am the mothman.
I can visit 1 player each night with a warning of "impending disaster" but im also told that some players may suffer "side effects"
My PM was intentionally ambigious about the "disaster" and about the "side effects"
The real story of mothman was that he was sighted 100s of times in the point pleasant area in West Virginia over several months in the late 1960s
Those who had close interactions reported splitting headaches,sickness relating to radiation poisoning(burns/discoloration of the skin and eyes)and hallucinations of the silver bridge crashing into the river.
In 1967 the silver bridge collapsed into the ohio river during rush hour traffic killing 46 people and causing immeasurable damages after which the reports of the mothman abruptly stopped.
I think its been set up so i can basically choose to help either town or scum as whichever faction i visit gains some kind of information.
I like my chances much better with town then against it.
Im thinking this works like rishs "visit" system from EotW where i have unique interactions depending on who i visit.
Im basing that logic off the fact that SOME players will suffer "side-effects" being the way it was written.
Also i think i was designed as a red herring 3rd party as my visits are supposed to appear in the night scenes,which leads me to believe scum is a small faction this game.
That further supports my decision to claim that im 3rd party as i can win alongside town and i like towns chances,especially if i just play like an extra townie.
Now who thinks we should lynch me?

Im assuming third party means you can win on either Mafia or Towns side whichever makes most since when it comes at the end. I don’t really like the idea of having a third party player in the game. I also tend to agree with IBs post to get rid of you unless we can find a more scummy player. Why not lynch a non town player that can always flip later?

Pancake i claimed now because i know that this group of players would not have eased off if i claimed under pressure and my last game as 3rd party i lied and pretended to be town and got lynched at what turned out to be Lylo losing the game for both town and myself.
So the only option from my POV was to claim,explain myself as much as i can given my odd role and hope for the best.
To HS/IB lynching me is like pushing through a no lynch,zero chance of hitting scum.
You wont hit town admittedly if you go for me but you learn very little off of my lynch and give scum a free night basically.
Im more valuable to town as an honest opinion/vote that costs you nothing then as a corpse that costs you a day/night cycle.
FPd by tim

This is true unless you flip on us. Unless you cant flip.

Vote IB

Lynching 3rd Party gives a free nightkill to mafia. IB knows this, yet is pursueing the easiest non-mafia lynch in the game.

Until Endgame claimed, all IB's posts had been attacking Dakky for his terrible play. These in themselves have no alignment indication.

However, taken all together, we have a player who is avoiding commiting to anything and trying to get the easiest targets lynched.

You MAY have had some credibility and reason to be saved if we had witnessed first hand what exactly it is that you do

Yes, so why not wait till D2 and we know what the side effects are? Because then who will be the easy target to lynch D1? My bad, scumhunting is too difficult for you clearly.

So far when playing this game we have only gotten scum on the first day once. A sure thing may be better then killing town but maybe not. I haven’t really played a game with a third party yet.

I need to point out here the game of Harry Potter. Storrzerg did a comparable play, where he claimed 3rd party (and in the end, confirmed third party). While it gives mafia a free kill at night, it does guarantee that a non-town alligned player is lynched. Storrzerg played the town game from day 1 all the way until the very end, where he switched sides and was decisive in mafia victory.

Third party does not equal town alligned. I believe he will do his best for town, until such time as a better opportunity presents itself for him to win the game.
I don't think I want to lynch him now, because we have better odds of lynching scum now then before. Just think it's a bad idea having him around until endgame (lol eh) because it's a liability to town.

BAM. Case and point why I think, unless we find someone we are really strong on, we should lynch endgame

I don't agree that IB wanting to lynch End is scummy. I don't think it's the right play, but I don't think it's scummy. I can understand him wanting to eliminate a non-town aligned player (who may or may not be anti-town - the "disaster" might be his way of explaining an SK kill), but early game it is normally in a 3P's best interest to work with town, so I don't want to lynch End today. If IB were scum, I don't think he would be raising such a stink about this.

I do believe End is non-town, at the very least. It explains why I feel he hasn't been pushing as hard as he could have been for scumhunting (asking me to back up one of my early reads, and backing down after a short answer without pushing harder). That said, End, you say you'd rather help town, so why not give us some reads?

I liked Mets' post. I also want to hear ptlowe's defense about Streaker's post against him.

FP'd by PancakeMix. As was said, by the time Storr jumped ship, town had already lost and the game on that day was just continuing to see whether Storr was the one to get killed that day (town and mafia had the same number, mafia had 2 night kills that night, and Storr was the swing vote - mafia said they'd let him live if he voted with them that day). As for mitch, most of his posts are fluff and flavourful - he's been getting better at offering reads and asking questions, but he still has a very erratic playstyle.

Also agree with Marusha, disagree that I need to defend myself as I think streaks post is purely retaliation from our last game. Maybe im wrong. His assumption is weak at best. Anyways, I am scum hunting just been sick over the weekend.

Madmitch stands out for being mimicry as pCM says but I always find him difficult to read because he can be erratic. The fact that IB is not suggesting any type of scum hilunting stands out to me more than trying to lynch third party. He's better than that and right now he would be my choice for lymch.

As wing said. Storrs didn't decide HP in mafia s favor, town lost that game. I know because we lost in part to my mistakes and inability to press an aage lynch when I was becoming increasingly certain he was scum.

I have been told revisiting other games gets us in trouble but it seems like the more experienced players are all doing it this game. Maybe I am wrong but I know strike has been in mafia games since 2007 so I assume he is one of the most experienced here. If the choice is just IB or END we haven’t really worked too hard on our scum hunting yet. Lets take a look, if we don’t have a strong candidate I say kill the non townies. I don’t see why we shouldn’t. Also, how have you been scum hunting Strike? Just by calling out IB? Weak sauce.

Anyways reads so far
No read Madmitch, Tim, streak(I don’t understand his play yet enough to read one way or the other) Virus and Benga
Leaning Scum, Dakky and Strike
Town Wing, PCM, IB, Marusha, Mets, Hotshot
Nontown End

[ptlowe]

After all of that
vote strike

[Marashu]

I am not prepared to make case on them or lynch them so I need more info about others.

Especially with ends unpredicatable disasterness, would rather wait for cops investigations.

well you gave me enough to vote streaker

first you wanting to gather up the lynch squad
2nd you really haven't produced anything useful other then just jumping from one guy to another
3rd and yes you are right, I shouldn't just try to lynch random guy, I should pursue someone who has been scummy to me from the start

I'm standing by my benga vote, but for different reasons. I feel like you're trying to manipulate the cop into investigating a claimed 3p instead of looking for scum. You're saying you're looking into making cases on other people and need info, but pretty much every post you make is about either dakky or streaker (except for one post where you ask for mitch to explain his case). Also, "just jumping from one guy to another" is the most backhanded way of describing scumhunting I have ever heard. You even go out of your way to diffuse something Streaker says:

Just to be clear, I'm not particularly interested in lynching dakky at this point, more in other's opinions on wether or not to lynch dakky.

Interesting to note, it seems only wing is trying to stop this bleed of rolefishing.
Virus was only interested in the % that dakky used, nothing else.

he even admits he is gathering people for lynch

At this point, I looked at virus' posts (all 4 of them). But I do like virus' calling out of Tim, and I like how he called out dakky's bad math (though I don't like how he never went anywhere with it). So while I can see benga and virus being scumbuddies, I'm not getting a strong scumread from virus. So I'm a bit confused.

Not saying benga isn't town, but your thinking is not what I am thinking so you're currently No1 for the vig kill.

Dakky, what are you hoping to do with this? It sounds more like bullying and intimidation than scumhunting.

Blurg. Meant to be in bed like 2 hours ago. I'll try to post more when I get up.

fp'd like 6 times by ptlowe - way too much, I'll read that in the morning.

[strike wolf]

Can people please work on making sure quote and spoiler tags are done correctly? Some of these posts are practically unreadable.

[TimWoodbury]

Can people please work on making sure quote and spoiler tags are done correctly? Some of these posts are practically unreadable.

i concure i skipped over like 3 posts because it was hard to read now i get why people say y spelling sucks

[Iron Butterfly]

so how bout this
dakky claims his kills each time he kills then we can go from there if dakky dont claim them and somewhat able to explain his reasoning he gets lynched
Endgame we keep him as he is wanting to help town HOWEVER the 1st sign he is looking to harm town HE gets lynched

First I did not like Tim's vote on Dakky because he "thought" he was a Vig only to remove it when Dakky confirmed he was indeed a Vig. It just seemed too defensive for some reason. There were several little things along the way but this post screams scum to me. First IF Dakky is indeed Vig any number of scenarios can occur to insure failure or miss kill by manipulation. This idea also sets up Dakky to be lynched with failure. With Endgame it is more like the Captain Obvious commercial.

Unvote vote Tim

I still believe that the longer End stays alive the bigger a threat he becomes to Town... but you guys all know that as well.

[madmitch]

standing by my Mets vote, I do not like that he keeps disappearing , granted when he comes back he has a pretty good post but at the beginning of this game he was awol and then he made the statement that he was scummering, most people took that as a joke but was it? now he is gone again is he scummering again? the question goes out to you fine people of this town,help me with the answer.

[Streaker]

first you wanting to gather up the lynch squad
2nd you really haven't produced anything useful other then just jumping from one guy to another
3rd and yes you are right, I shouldn't just try to lynch random guy, I should pursue someone who has been scummy to me from the start

How about you stop twisting what I said?

Please show me where I was 'gathering the lynch squad'. All of it, not just the little part that suits your case.
Nothing usefull? I'm calling out several and generating discussion with each of them. It's called pushing a case, instead of waiting for something to develop.
If you want to lynch me, that's fine, but this is just a big OMGUS.

Mitch i understand your slip up on dakky,but why was wing your second choice?
Benga looks like town to me here.
Scum have little need to present new cases here as they have several easy paths to take right now so his small case on streaker reads town to me even though it is OMGUS.
On the case of streaker he is playing very agressive,which im not really used to from him so im not real sure what to make of it here.
He suggested how dangerous i was but then said he isnt really interested in lynching me, he was pushing dakky hard but then suggests we ignore him.
If you arent very convinced in your reads streaker why are pushing them so hard?

I don't agree with you on benga. First he twisted my words, then he OMGUS votes me. That's not presenting a new case. You say you read benga town, but also state that he is very inconsistent.

Best way to confirm anything is getting into a discussion, wouldn't you agree? Also, I'm not pushing anyone 'hard' just yet.

Mitch, maybe consider focusing on 1 case at a time, instead of changing your target and vote every post.

I need to reread into Tim before commenting.

[benga]

can we have vote recap?

I didn't twist your words, will post later, on work now.

[Marashu]

can we have vote recap?

Here's an unofficial one.
Marashu – Strike Wolf (1)
Dakky – pancakemix (1)
TimWoodbury – virus90, Endgame422, dakky21, IB (4)
Benga – Marashu (1)
Ptlowe – streaker (1)
Iron Butterfly - WingCmdr Ginkapo, HotShot (2)
Streaker - benga(1)
Mets - madmitch(1)
strike - ptlowe(1)

Just read over Tim's posts. Tim's usually the kind of player who gets defensive at L-7, and that's not really happening here. He backs off dakky because of some weak excuse about how vig is a town role, when he was recently in a game where he was the vig, but the vig could have been any alignment. Also, with him backing off of dakky, he seems to not have any opinions on who is scum. He's also trying to push how pro-town end is, when a claimed 3P would need to say that for survival anyway. So I could get behind a tim lynch.

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

So PT is voting Strike for accusing people of not scumhunting whilst Strike is not scumhunting, whilst PT isnt scumhunting....

Scumception.

Its wierd, the enemy of my enemy is my friend. Congrats Strike you must be town.

I have an almost opposite list of reads to PT.

[Endgame422]

Streaker,benga IS inconsistent but that doesnt mean he is scum.
I imagine if he was scum he would have argued why he isnt scum,instead of why the player voting him is scum.
Everyone knows OMGUS always draws peoples attention and i think scum are typically smart enough not to do it on D1.
Of course you can make WIFOM arguements all day about this but im looking for who is trying to blend in,if thats bengas goal that vote/case against streaker does not serve him very well.
Fpd by wing.

[TimWoodbury]

can we have vote recap?

Here's an unofficial one.
Marashu – Strike Wolf (1)
Dakky – pancakemix (1)
TimWoodbury – virus90, Endgame422, dakky21, IB (4)
Benga – Marashu (1)
Ptlowe – streaker (1)
Iron Butterfly - WingCmdr Ginkapo, HotShot (2)
Streaker - benga(1)
Mets - madmitch(1)
strike - ptlowe(1)

Just read over Tim's posts. Tim's usually the kind of player who gets defensive at L-7, and that's not really happening here. He backs off dakky because of some weak excuse about how vig is a town role, when he was recently in a game where he was the vig, but the vig could have been any alignment. Also, with him backing off of dakky, he seems to not have any opinions on who is scum. He's also trying to push how pro-town end is, when a claimed 3P would need to say that for survival anyway. So I could get behind a tim lynch.

so im skum because im saying that fo the momemt keeping end alive s good for town??? and the vig thing i assumed that vig is a town only role as thats the only time ive seen a vig, if vig can be skum also then i hadnt realized it. and honestly i didnt even realize how many votes on me because im in 4 games right now

[Streaker]

Streaker,benga IS inconsistent but that doesnt mean he is scum.
I imagine if he was scum he would have argued why he isnt scum,instead of why the player voting him is scum.
Everyone knows OMGUS always draws peoples attention and i think scum are typically smart enough not to do it on D1.
Of course you can make WIFOM arguements all day about this but im looking for who is trying to blend in,if thats bengas goal that vote/case against streaker does not serve him very well.
Fpd by wing.

I have pushed people on D1 for less then being inconsistent, and going OMGUS, and twisting statements to his own benefit all in one. But no, it doesn't mean he is scum.

Endgame, you value the push on Tim over what I said? Because all I'm reading on Tim is that he moved away from dakky after his claim, and his unwillingless to lynch a claimed 3rd party. Am I missing something?

[madmitch]

So it looks like you want to get rid of TIM ? i still think Mets is a better choice because of his lack of posts,I WILL WAIT FOR A WHILE to see if he shows up then decide if I should join you or not?

[TheForgivenOne]

Vote Count:

Marashu – Strike Wolf (1)
Dakky – pancakemix (1)
TimWoodbury – virus90, Endgame422, dakky21, Iron Butterfly (4)
Benga – Marashu (1)
Ptlowe – streaker (1)
Metsfanmax - madmitch (1)
Iron Butterfly - WingCmdr Ginkapo, HotShot53 (2)
Streaker - Benga (1)
Strike Wolf - ptlowe (1)

With 15 alive, it takes 8 to lynch. Deadline is set for November 15th at 17:00 CCT.

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

its dffinatly interesting you wanna kill someone who in the long run COULD be the choosing factor in weather or not town or skum win this thing

It's definitely interesting you don't want to see him dead.

so not wanting to kill someone whom we know right now will help town at the momemt is funny??? maybe down the road we kill him yah but not right now

In your own words, you describe Dakky as "wanna kill", what did this mean if you didnt understand that Dakky was claiming Vig?

[benga]

JOKE STAGE

havent been in most of the games lately, just a few. so why is dakky scum "again" according to you? (end wing?) i dont see it from the post your referring to.

because dakkys ass was skum in the last game so i also agreevote dakky because he must be skum due to ebing skum in last active game

Are you serious, or do you consider this a joke vote/post?

dakky is lawys such an easy target, he seems to being able to provoke much interest about his alignment/sex preferences

Do you want to lynch him?

DEFENDING HIMSELF

Just to be clear, I'm not particularly interested in lynching dakky at this point, more in other's opinions on wether or not to lynch dakky.

DEFENDING MARS

Vote virus90

EBWOP: wanted to add a question to wing: why Mars?

Vote Marashu

No-one should enjoy playing mafia, thats not the point. The sooner he is out of the game, the sooner the misery can envelope us all.

He's also gone AWOL since this, despite being perma online over the last few days.

Marashu made this post, just yesterday:

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On the other hand, metsfanmax and pcm have posted a combined total of 0 times since opening post. You fail to mention them.

MARS LIKES HIM AND VOTES ME

Right now, I'm liking IB, I'm liking strike, and I'm liking Streaker.

Vote Benga

Unvote, vote ptlowe

So in the end I am inconsistent cause for now I have voted him and inquired about Mets,
yet he has been trying to look for people that are prepared to lynch, voting pt and virus, defending mars and etc.

Can't seem to find his other post, but seems to me at this point mars and streaker work together, just filling after each other.

Yes, stench is strong here.

[Endgame422]

Benga makes a good point that streaker and mars have linked themselves. First with streaker defending mars as benga quoted and furthermore with mars backing up/contributing to streakers case against benga.
Buddying like this isnt what i would expect out of these 2 or really from any set of 2 players that are both town,especially on D1.
Are you guys reading each other town here? Id like both your opinions on each other.
I already had a point against streaker of trying to paint me a villian by suggesting i was dangerous but not following through with a vote(same reason i pushed dakky),add buddying with mars and i will
Unvote Tim
Vote Streaker
Ftr im guessing mars is more likely town actually,his thoughts on benga trying to manipulate the cop seem legit,even though i read bengas intentions differently.
Wing,do you think tim is scum?

[Metsfanmax]

Can people please work on making sure quote and spoiler tags are done correctly? Some of these posts are practically unreadable.

Forgive me if I am wrong but I thought characters were not alignment indicative?

Good to see that strike has been posting substantive comments since I made my accusation. Oh, wait, here's one:

Madmitch stands out for being mimicry as pCM says but I always find him difficult to read because he can be erratic. The fact that IB is not suggesting any type of scum hilunting stands out to me more than trying to lynch third party. He's better than that and right now he would be my choice for lymch.

So basically, since then, strike has only pushed on madmitch (who has voted for about half the players so far on D1) and IB for not "scum hunting" (which is hilarious in the context of what strike himself has contributed so far).

Now, to be fair, I am not particularly impressed with IB's single-minded obsession with Endgame either. But the difference is that I'm honest enough to admit that this is exactly how IB plays every game, and strike wolf has been part of this community way too long to not know how stubborn IB can be. That doesn't clear IB -- far from it -- but if the best case on IB you've got is that he wanted to kill someone whose role could potentially be disastrous for town (pun intended, I suppose), you've just got to do better. Marashu has got it exactly right:

I don't agree that IB wanting to lynch End is scummy. I don't think it's the right play, but I don't think it's scummy. I can understand him wanting to eliminate a non-town aligned player (who may or may not be anti-town - the "disaster" might be his way of explaining an SK kill), but early game it is normally in a 3P's best interest to work with town, so I don't want to lynch End today. If IB were scum, I don't think he would be raising such a stink about this.

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I'm a little intrigued that PCM got into that little tiff with madmitch. Not sure what to make of it yet, but it's worth keeping in mind. It is not something I expected to happen.

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I'm town-reading Streaker based on the last few pages. I think he's been doing a good job pushing discussion to be active, and even though it's his meta to act towny all the time, we saw in the CYOM mafia how we can tell when he's not playing for town. (Or at least I did.) His case on benga has merit, but tensions are kind of high right now so it's hard to suss out what his motives are. Streaker, I'd suggest that you tone it down a little when it comes to him, because it's hard to get anything useful out of him like this.

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ptlowe is worth taking a closer look at. Most of his post content is either mechanics or past game speculation, or agreeing with what other people have said (like the case on strike). Could just be newer player behavior, but could also be intentional scum non-committal behavior. Essentially I have the same feeling as WCG.

[Metsfanmax]

Buddying like this isnt what i would expect out of these 2 or really from any set of 2 players that are both town,especially on D1.
Are you guys reading each other town here? Id like both your opinions on each other.

Now I've said positive things about Mars and Streaker too, does that make me scum with them?

[strike wolf]

Dakky is town. It's not as simple as him stating he is Vig (especially in this game) but as bad as some of his play has been, it still rings like town. This isn't a guarantee but I definitely lean towards him being town right now.

Streaker, I want to reread him. My gut says scum but it did in the last game as well. As someone else mentioned, pushing the End case from the side lines was a bit of a tell I thought.

@Mets: I feel like my cases get simplified often. Probably my fault for not being clear. I mean more than that IB wasn't scum hunting. I mean that he was pushing a case that would not involve scum hunting. He has since shifted his focus a little bit so I will look back into him. IB hasn't been nearly as stubborn the last couple times I played with him. He was fairly flexible in the PYOM game and the C9 game I played against him (He was town and I was mafia). Either way this isn't much of a point to me when I was making my accusations. He IMO was pushing an easy case that would involve little need for scum hunting and would result in few actual tells if it went through. I read it as a bad case and I went after one of the ones pushing it. I don't really Meta much unless it seems clear to me that's what is going on and not a scummy move.

As for my own play. I admit I have been a bit underactive so far. I am a bit frustrated with this game as much of the activity seems like people throwing mud at the wall and seeing what sticks (moreso than most D1s). The assumption that Dakky, End and Wing are all third party aligned in particular seems like it's made of contradicting facts to get to an unsubstantiated conclusion. This is complicated with a bad case against a third party and a seeming town vig that has played horribly thus far. This shouldn't be an excuse for my play and I apologize for that.

PCM: Too early to tell on him. He's been gone a while so that's going to mess with my read anyways but right now, I would lean slightly town.

Tim also bugs me a bit. Could just be new. He's felt a bit here to be here at times if that makes sense. I understand that a similar case could possibly be applied to my own play so I will try to provide examples when I can.