Cyborgs Mafia - Endgame - Hail the Shiny Golden Overlord

[TA1LGUNN3R]

To explain tails thing on me it was a reaction test. I knew he was in the thread an if he was reading it all he would know there was not check on him. It took him too long to respond IMO probably cause he was looking for what I had said to be true or not and didn't know how to respond right away so had to think of something to say.

That's a poor strategy. He could've been doing any of a million things like checking games, other threads, etc. It's a bit null to assume he was actively reading your post immediately after you posted it.

That being said I believe your answer, so UNVOTE.

I seem to recall that in edoc games he does not notify you that you've been blocked. The only way you could tell is if you had an investigative action and got no result back.

-Tails

[jak111]

1) Jak-he is playing so outside his meta with being almost non existent that i am surprised no one has mentioned it.

I am confused IB, would you wish me to be the exact same every game that you act like you hate? This makes me think you miss it.

LOL at Mtam's "choice of lynch". That can be considered OMGUS because my vote is currently on him (for that matter so is Tails). Someone is afraid of being pressured into a claim-or-lynch situation.

Then further into his post, he wants to lynch Zivel as well. Yeah, Mtam, you might want to actually work on building a case instead of saying "we should lynch players X and Y because I said so".

The only thing about Spiesr keeping who he roleblocked to himself is if he roleblocks the doctor, the doctor cannot save people in the night and wont even know that their protection is not working. So he might want to switch targets every night to not unknowingly continue to roleblock a might be doctor every night.

With Mtam's blantant OMGUS "lynch choices", my vote stays. He's afraid of us finding something.

FP'd by Tails.

[jak111]

Oh, before I forget. The reason why PCM, is because it's Jonty who died. He's a quiet vet but he's still efficient. Unless a newbie team randomly picked him off, for strategy reasons I think a vet team would take him out before he can go past looking at Mtam, if it's not a vet team, Mtam would have reason to pick off a vet before he can dig his claws in.

So with that being said, right now my pressure is on Mtam with my eyes on other vets for a reason why they'd want Jonty dead from all that was said yesterday.

[mtamburini]

To explain tails thing on me it was a reaction test. I knew he was in the thread an if he was reading it all he would know there was not check on him. It took him too long to respond IMO probably cause he was looking for what I had said to be true or not and didn't know how to respond right away so had to think of something to say.

That's a poor strategy. He could've been doing any of a million things like checking games, other threads, etc. It's a bit null to assume he was actively reading your post immediately after you posted it.

That being said I believe your answer, so UNVOTE.

I seem to recall that in edoc games he does not notify you that you've been blocked. The only way you could tell is if you had an investigative action and got no result back.

-Tails

I did post about 5 min after he did which I think suffices to him still being around from my POV, but I can see what your saying.

[mtamburini]

1) Jak-he is playing so outside his meta with being almost non existent that i am surprised no one has mentioned it.

I am confused IB, would you wish me to be the exact same every game that you act like you hate? This makes me think you miss it.

LOL at Mtam's "choice of lynch". That can be considered OMGUS because my vote is currently on him (for that matter so is Tails). Someone is afraid of being pressured into a claim-or-lynch situation.

Then further into his post, he wants to lynch Zivel as well. Yeah, Mtam, you might want to actually work on building a case instead of saying "we should lynch players X and Y because I said so".

The only thing about Spiesr keeping who he roleblocked to himself is if he roleblocks the doctor, the doctor cannot save people in the night and wont even know that their protection is not working. So he might want to switch targets every night to not unknowingly continue to roleblock a might be doctor every night.

With Mtam's blantant OMGUS "lynch choices", my vote stays. He's afraid of us finding something.

FP'd by Tails.

The level of your play this game has been so bad its worthy of being lynched.

[mtamburini]

Oh, before I forget. The reason why PCM, is because it's Jonty who died. He's a quiet vet but he's still efficient. Unless a newbie team randomly picked him off, for strategy reasons I think a vet team would take him out before he can go past looking at Mtam, if it's not a vet team, Mtam would have reason to pick off a vet before he can dig his claws in.

So with that being said, right now my pressure is on Mtam with my eyes on other vets for a reason why they'd want Jonty dead from all that was said yesterday.

Worst line of reasoning I have ever heard.

Vote jak

I really wish I had a gun this game to pop a bullet in your head.

#yolo360noscope

[pancakemix]

Oh, before I forget. The reason why PCM, is because it's Jonty who died. He's a quiet vet but he's still efficient. Unless a newbie team randomly picked him off, for strategy reasons I think a vet team would take him out before he can go past looking at Mtam, if it's not a vet team, Mtam would have reason to pick off a vet before he can dig his claws in.

So with that being said, right now my pressure is on Mtam with my eyes on other vets for a reason why they'd want Jonty dead from all that was said yesterday.

Firstly, Unvote virus.

Second, that's a shitty reason. It may as well have been you by that logic.

[mtamburini]

Oh, before I forget. The reason why PCM, is because it's Jonty who died. He's a quiet vet but he's still efficient. Unless a newbie team randomly picked him off, for strategy reasons I think a vet team would take him out before he can go past looking at Mtam, if it's not a vet team, Mtam would have reason to pick off a vet before he can dig his claws in.

So with that being said, right now my pressure is on Mtam with my eyes on other vets for a reason why they'd want Jonty dead from all that was said yesterday.

Your claim to a newbie mafia making a random kill on someone who is quiet is actually pathetic. Quiet players are easier to pressure and get lynched. I was expecting one of the more active people to die in the night. Nothing fuels mafia better then no conversation happening during the day.

[jak111]

Second, that's a shitty reason. It may as well have been you by that logic.

I find it odd that you're making a big deal about a minor FOS. I am just stating that I find the likely hood of you or Neb being anti-town slightly higher than neutral. It does not need to have a great case or reason, if I had that my vote would be on one of you two. As I do not, I have simply put out there that I suspect you both a bit more than a no-read at the moment.

You being a vet, I'd think would know that. I am not leading a lynch against you yet, so to be so defensive about suspicion is mightily suspicious on its own.

PCM bumped up to FOS.

I am still on Mtam however for his obvious OMGUS'ing as that raises a few red flags, although it's not out of normal with his Meta. Two games I've seen him in make up his Meta for me at the moment and both of them I've seen him flip mafia. So following his meta.. do you see where I'm going with that?

[mtamburini]

vote charm for being a dirty pirate hooker. Go back to your home on whore island.

(Out of game note: Be careful of the use of words. I know we're a relaxed group, but no need for that word found in our part of the site, thanks.)

I think I am going to call it now. The cyborgs that are mafia are definitely related to a movie, not a game/book <.< >.> *WILD GUESS* XD

This is unfortunately a read that only applies to me personally, I originally like Jak for this but the letter starting to believe this was an early pocket to get me to like him based on OGI.

Day 1 he voted on both people to out their claims, Im sure other people did too but my gut tells me Jak is scum right now and I will evaluate the rest of the people later in the day.

FP by jak

It's not so much an inactive case anymore Tails, but it's how you replied to the case of not really giving a shit about Day 1 at all.

3/12 people in this game are mafia with 1-2 third parties. So with these numbers 4-5/12 people are anti-town. That's a 33-41% chance of getting a non-townie dead with a random lynch Day 1. With an 8.3% chance that each person is anti-town.

Right now we have Spiesr's claim on the table of Town Roleblocker (Could be telling the truth about role and be mafia aligned as well).

If we go under the assumption that Spiesr is indeed town and limit our lynch to 11 people. We now have a 36-45% chance of randomly lynching an anti-town person.

But, from everyone but Spiesr's perspective that are town, since you know you're town if we randomly lynched someone of your choice there'd be a 40-50% chance of hitting anti-town.

For me, minus the few town reads I have at the moment I am willing to bet 50-62% chance of Tails being mafia, which is just over half and I am willing to go for it unless something better turns up.

He also started talking about silly math stats and numbers which I did not find to give any real help to town as he did not mention any reads while he did that. Just made obvious assumptions from my POV that anyone could have made.

Noms on skittles* Skittles are statisically proven to be better than popcorn.

Anyway, my vote is staying, Many people are not contributing that much, but Tails, it's time to care about Day 1, else you wont make it to Day 2 with that attitude.

As someone who cared about day1 and then to try and throw a vote on me today without absolutely no backing is scummy as f*ck. Not to mention that 50-62% chance tails is mafia so you must believe that were both mafia bussing each other day1 to throw a vote on me today.

Jak needs to go now.

[mtamburini]

vote charm for being a dirty pirate hooker. Go back to your home on whore island.

(Out of game note: Be careful of the use of words. I know we're a relaxed group, but no need for that word found in our part of the site, thanks.)

I think I am going to call it now. The cyborgs that are mafia are definitely related to a movie, not a game/book <.< >.> *WILD GUESS* XD

This is unfortunately a read that only applies to me personally, I originally like Jak for this but the letter starting to believe this was an early pocket to get me to like him based on OGI.

Day 1 he voted on both people to out their claims, Im sure other people did too but my gut tells me Jak is scum right now and I will evaluate the rest of the people later in the day.

It's not so much an inactive case anymore Tails, but it's how you replied to the case of not really giving a shit about Day 1 at all.

3/12 people in this game are mafia with 1-2 third parties. So with these numbers 4-5/12 people are anti-town. That's a 33-41% chance of getting a non-townie dead with a random lynch Day 1. With an 8.3% chance that each person is anti-town.

Right now we have Spiesr's claim on the table of Town Roleblocker (Could be telling the truth about role and be mafia aligned as well).

If we go under the assumption that Spiesr is indeed town and limit our lynch to 11 people. We now have a 36-45% chance of randomly lynching an anti-town person.

But, from everyone but Spiesr's perspective that are town, since you know you're town if we randomly lynched someone of your choice there'd be a 40-50% chance of hitting anti-town.

For me, minus the few town reads I have at the moment I am willing to bet 50-62% chance of Tails being mafia, which is just over half and I am willing to go for it unless something better turns up.

He also started talking about silly math stats and numbers which I did not find to give any real help to town as he did not mention any reads while he did that. Just made obvious assumptions from my POV that anyone could have made.

Noms on skittles* Skittles are statisically proven to be better than popcorn.

Anyway, my vote is staying, Many people are not contributing that much, but Tails, it's time to care about Day 1, else you wont make it to Day 2 with that attitude.

As someone who cared about day1 and then to try and throw a vote on me today without absolutely no backing is scummy as f*ck. Not to mention that 50-62% chance tails is mafia so you must believe that were both mafia bussing each other day1 to throw a vote on me today.

Jak needs to go now.

FP by jak

EBWOP

[mtamburini]

Second, that's a shitty reason. It may as well have been you by that logic.

I find it odd that you're making a big deal about a minor FOS. I am just stating that I find the likely hood of you or Neb being anti-town slightly higher than neutral. It does not need to have a great case or reason, if I had that my vote would be on one of you two. As I do not, I have simply put out there that I suspect you both a bit more than a no-read at the moment.

You being a vet, I'd think would know that. I am not leading a lynch against you yet, so to be so defensive about suspicion is mightily suspicious on its own.

PCM bumped up to FOS.

I am still on Mtam however for his obvious OMGUS'ing as that raises a few red flags, although it's not out of normal with his Meta. Two games I've seen him in make up his Meta for me at the moment and both of them I've seen him flip mafia. So following his meta.. do you see where I'm going with that?

LOL you think you can meta read me thats adorable.

[pancakemix]

Second, that's a shitty reason. It may as well have been you by that logic.

I find it odd that you're making a big deal about a minor FOS. I am just stating that I find the likely hood of you or Neb being anti-town slightly higher than neutral. It does not need to have a great case or reason, if I had that my vote would be on one of you two. As I do not, I have simply put out there that I suspect you both a bit more than a no-read at the moment.

You being a vet, I'd think would know that. I am not leading a lynch against you yet, so to be so defensive about suspicion is mightily suspicious on its own.

PCM bumped up to FOS.

I am still on Mtam however for his obvious OMGUS'ing as that raises a few red flags, although it's not out of normal with his Meta. Two games I've seen him in make up his Meta for me at the moment and both of them I've seen him flip mafia. So following his meta.. do you see where I'm going with that?

Use of the word "shitty" does not mean I'm "making a big deal". I have a foul mouth. Sorry if me cussing offends your sensibilities.

You're making mountains out of molehills, methinks. But that's not surprising.

[HotShot53]

Well, this day has certainly been more active than day 1 so far

Mtam has been a big reason for keeping it going, and although he over-reacts often, I think he's sounding more towny at this point.

I agree with mtam and PCM that jak's logic is a bit strange... just about any mafia team will probably have at least 1 or 2 experienced people on it, we don't have many newbies in here. And since PCM had raised some suspicions on day 1, was this an attempt to get more suspicion on him to avoid attention on scum buddies?

At the moment, between mtam, jak & PCM, I find jak to be the scummiest right now, so I will vote jak

Nebuchadnezer has been flying under the radar a lot, and his only posts this day so far about the investigation were slightly suspect... so I will be keeping an eye on him. If jak clears himself then I will be looking at Neb next.

FP by about 5 posts

[mtamburini]

Jak might be at L2 or L1 so i will unvote just to be safe

[HotShot53]

Jak might be at L2 or L1 so i will unvote just to be safe

Lol, my vote was only the second on him... he might feel like he's getting steamrolled but no-one else has voted him yet, just you and I had so far. So he's still pretty far from L-1 or L-2

[jak111]

Use of the word "shitty" does not mean I'm "making a big deal". I have a foul mouth. Sorry if me cussing offends your sensibilities.

You're making mountains out of molehills, methinks. But that's not surprising.

It is not the use of your words that I care for, I mean look at me. I use words like that from time to time.

No, what is sending red flags up now is that you care for a minor FOS that meant basically nothing, just a thought train of a possibility to me and questioned why. But when I tell you why, you say it's a shitty case, but the thing is. I never said it was a case to begin with. There is nothing factual from posts that created my FOS on you. Just the probability of you or Neb killing Jonty N1. That's why my FOS was not accompanied by a page and a half of why.

I am amusing myself with reading some of Mtam's posts. Mtam, your META is whatever your reactions were in past games I've played with you in. Both times I've seen you flip mafia and you've acted exactly this way. No change has been made so I am under the assumption your faction alignment has not changed either.

Actually there was that one game I modded. That is the only town one I've seen you in and I was doing it from a mod perspective, so someone actually playing who didn't know you were town would have to say if it's any different.

FP'd 3 times.

LOL not even close to L2 let alone L1. With 11 alive it takes 6 (or majority at deadline which we are still far from) to lynch. With 2 votes that's L4 which is not that much pressure. Considering one of those two votes was a complete OMGUS, I can't really say I'm worried yet.

[mtamburini]

vote jak

[pancakemix]

Use of the word "shitty" does not mean I'm "making a big deal". I have a foul mouth. Sorry if me cussing offends your sensibilities.

You're making mountains out of molehills, methinks. But that's not surprising.

It is not the use of your words that I care for, I mean look at me. I use words like that from time to time.

No, what is sending red flags up now is that you care for a minor FOS that meant basically nothing, just a thought train of a possibility to me and questioned why. But when I tell you why, you say it's a shitty case, but the thing is. I never said it was a case to begin with. There is nothing factual from posts that created my FOS on you. Just the probability of you or Neb killing Jonty N1. That's why my FOS was not accompanied by a page and a half of why.

I am amusing myself with reading some of Mtam's posts. Mtam, your META is whatever your reactions were in past games I've played with you in. Both times I've seen you flip mafia and you've acted exactly this way. No change has been made so I am under the assumption your faction alignment has not changed either.

Actually there was that one game I modded. That is the only town one I've seen you in and I was doing it from a mod perspective, so someone actually playing who didn't know you were town would have to say if it's any different.

FP'd 3 times.

LOL not even close to L2 let alone L1. With 11 alive it takes 6 (or majority at deadline which we are still far from) to lynch. With 2 votes that's L4 which is not that much pressure. Considering one of those two votes was a complete OMGUS, I can't really say I'm worried yet.

You say that like there are other things to discuss. And I didn't call it a case, for the record. I said it was a shitty reason, and there is still by your logic equal probability that you killed jonty as opposed to me or Neb. Hell, even IB or spiesr could have done it. I'm not at a point where I'm taking anything as fact just yet.

[jak111]

Besides semantics PCM, in general it was what you were saying about why I suspect you. But I've noticed something else over these past few posts, not once have you said a word to Mtam or really spoke about what I was saying to him.

So I am curious, what are your reads on Mtam at this point PCM?

[pancakemix]

Besides semantics PCM, in general it was what you were saying about why I suspect you. But I've noticed something else over these past few posts, not once have you said a word to Mtam or really spoke about what I was saying to him.

So I am curious, what are your reads on Mtam at this point PCM?

Point being? I feel like you're trying really hard to deflect from a losing argument (which isn't like you at all ). A read's a read. Yours came really out of nowhere. I asked you why you read that way, I thought it was a shitty reason (and apparently I'm not alone). I don't see why you're making a big deal out of this.

But since you'll just be on my case about not answering your question despite calling out your deflection, here goes: I tend to agree with mtam on his current line of reasoning. You're getting scummier by the minute. I also don't think his push on Tails yesterday was unfounded, but I didn't think it was worth lynching Tails over either.

[spiesr]

The only thing about Spiesr keeping who he roleblocked to himself is if he roleblocks the doctor, the doctor cannot save people in the night and wont even know that their protection is not working. So he might want to switch targets every night to not unknowingly continue to roleblock a might be doctor every night.

This idea is irrelevant to me revealing or not, as even if I reveal who I blocked it would not make sense for that person to say that they are the doctor and ask me to stop blocking them.

Second, that's a shitty reason. It may as well have been you by that logic.

I find it odd that you're making a big deal about a minor FOS. I am just stating that I find the likely hood of you or Neb being anti-town slightly higher than neutral. It does not need to have a great case or reason, if I had that my vote would be on one of you two. As I do not, I have simply put out there that I suspect you both a bit more than a no-read at the moment.

If you make a comment saying that you suspect someone people are going to ask you why. if you provide reasoning people are going to question it. That is just how the game works.

Besides semantics PCM, in general it was what you were saying about why I suspect you. But I've noticed something else over these past few posts, not once have you said a word to Mtam or really spoke about what I was saying to him.

So I am curious, what are your reads on Mtam at this point PCM?

But since you'll just be on my case about not answering your question despite calling out your deflection, here goes: I tend to agree with mtam on his current line of reasoning. You're getting scummier by the minute. I also don't think his push on Tails yesterday was unfounded, but I didn't think it was worth lynching Tails over either.

The problem here is that Jak does that in every game it seems, so it is hard to tell when to pursue it.

[mtamburini]

The only thing about Spiesr keeping who he roleblocked to himself is if he roleblocks the doctor, the doctor cannot save people in the night and wont even know that their protection is not working. So he might want to switch targets every night to not unknowingly continue to roleblock a might be doctor every night.

This idea is irrelevant to me revealing or not, as even if I reveal who I blocked it would not make sense for that person to say that they are the doctor and ask me to stop blocking them.

Second, that's a shitty reason. It may as well have been you by that logic.

I find it odd that you're making a big deal about a minor FOS. I am just stating that I find the likely hood of you or Neb being anti-town slightly higher than neutral. It does not need to have a great case or reason, if I had that my vote would be on one of you two. As I do not, I have simply put out there that I suspect you both a bit more than a no-read at the moment.

If you make a comment saying that you suspect someone people are going to ask you why. if you provide reasoning people are going to question it. That is just how the game works.

Besides semantics PCM, in general it was what you were saying about why I suspect you. But I've noticed something else over these past few posts, not once have you said a word to Mtam or really spoke about what I was saying to him.

So I am curious, what are your reads on Mtam at this point PCM?

But since you'll just be on my case about not answering your question despite calling out your deflection, here goes: I tend to agree with mtam on his current line of reasoning. You're getting scummier by the minute. I also don't think his push on Tails yesterday was unfounded, but I didn't think it was worth lynching Tails over either.

The problem here is that Jak does that in every game it seems, so it is hard to tell when to pursue it.

The time is now!

Im pretty sure his role starts with M and ends in A

[jak111]

A losing argument? You're making my scum radar ping, that is not an argument, that is just stating fact. To continue on something I said in a brief sentence with no real indicator of me pursuing any case is odd. You're a vet, if you were Mtam, I'd think you were in a position feeling like you're a cornered lab rat lashing out. But since you're not Mtam I am puzzling over the significance to you whether I suspect you more or not. If you're town, there'd be nothing to fear, but if you aren't town, then my nose is sniffing a rat and that rat is drawing more attention to its self. (Yes, I just used rat as a scum metaphor)

You're agreeing with what Mtam's current line of reasoning? There's two things wrong with that alone.

• What reason?
• I am getting scummier by the minute? By putting some of my focus on you besides just on Mtam?

Seriously, "scummier by the minute". Pointing out Mtam's OMGUS vote and pointing out your lack of any REAL response to Mtam? Even in your reply here you don't really directly comment towards Mtam one bit. Just a small admittance to sheeping him a tad. If Mtam was creating cases instead of saying lynch players A or B today (he doesn't bother for a claim or anything, he he bluntly saying lynch A or B no exceptions), then I might agree that you have a point. But as Mtam is not creating a case, your point of "agreeing" with him is invalid unless you are saying we should pick two people randomly and say lynch him or him. Ignore any pressure on others in the game.

Because of Mtam's current push on lynch targets I can go under the assumption that Tails is not on his team if Mtam is mafia.

That is 4 people I now lean to be town with excluding myself from my own list (because I am looking for mafia, not playing the be generalizing for everyone else game). That leaves 6 people. 6. That is not a big number to look at.

4. pancakemix
5. HotShot53
6. virus90
7. Zivel
8. mtamburini
11. Nebuchadnezer

Tell me PCM, put yourself in my shoes here, with the current thought train of 3-4 of these being anti-town (right now I think 3 mafia + 1 third party to be likely). Do the process of elimination and tell me who you'd choose as the most likely to be scum in this list?

We have Mtam, who has been pushing a game like he was some sort of Lyncher role (which he does every game it seems). My META with him shows he does this when he is mafia. With no experience playing with him with him being town.

We have HotShot and Virus, both of whom are pretty quiet, HotShot stepped up and voted for me without really saying how I was being scummy.

We have you and Neb who I suspect slightly because of who died. With my FOS on you slightly increased due to our last few comments.

Then we have Zivel, (who has yet to post much today but yesterday was in favour of lynching D1 and last voted Virus).

So, 6 people I am looking at PCM. Put yourself into my shoes and try to eliminate two from this list please. With reasons why they are town. Once you are finished, if I agree with your reasons, at the bare minimum 3/4 of the remainder should be mafia if you pick out the right townies from the list.

[jak111]

In fact, I ask that Spiesr, Neb and IB also do what I asked PCM to do (but do not post your list of 4 until he has done his).

That way I hear from 2 vets I lean towards town's opinion and 2 vets I lean towards FOS opinions.