Roger Dodger wrote:What r u kidding. I choose a set of words and u call me a vt? I already said I don't care for vigilantism. I already said that there is no room in this town for a careless vigilante. A townie is a townie plain and simple. Jonty states he is vigilante. U may all think that is fine and dandy but, I insist that this is not a friend. That role is dangerous and calculating. Relax already. JMAC and Xstorx, U are creating trouble where there is none. Maybe u are in cohorts with Jonty.
VT = Vanilla Townie, i.e. someone who has no powers. Is that what you are, or what are you? Just saying you are a town person isn't a claim... everyone says that obviously. If you can give your role, or at least something from the role so that we know it's a truthful claim (such as nark did), then some people will back off... otherwise you'll probably get lynched.
Roger Dodger wrote:What r u kidding. I choose a set of words and u call me a vt? I already said I don't care for vigilantism. I already said that there is no room in this town for a careless vigilante.
Roger Dodger, do you realize that vt stands for Vanilla Townie and not a vigilante? A Vanilla Townie has no powers and is certainly what I equated to your "plain town person" claim. Were you making a claim as a town person with no powers or just making a statement that sounded A LOT like a claim?
Go for the gold kids. Lynch me. I said town. I am sorry I did not just use that 1 simple word. I added the rest to be funny. U see I grew up around folks that did do the peek thru the shades and call the cops thing. Lynching me means 1 less person for town to win.
Roger Dodger wrote:Go for the gold kids. Lynch me. I said town. I am sorry I did not just use that 1 simple word. I added the rest to be funny. U see I grew up around folks that did do the peek thru the shades and call the cops thing. Lynching me means 1 less person for town to win.
Giving up helps no-one, unless you're actually scum of course. Again I ask... are you saying you are a Vanilla Townie with no powers? If so, is there anything from your role PM you can hint at without quoting so that we know it's a true claim?
New or not if she is mafia she is mafia. I simply pointed out her scum tell and she was given ample time to explain her reasoning, which she still has not.
When I have something to say i say it. I have not been shy about my points of view or where I stand. Speaking of which is there a particular reason you did not comment on Roger Dodgers claim? Did you believe her? I realize you are new as well. Does that make me scummy for pointing out that you deflect attention from Roger Dodgers claim to focus on me? You accuse me of "semi" scummarinning, whatever that is and yet from page 10 to now I have a post count of 7 to your 2. I could go back farther but you get the point. I find your timing extremely odd.
Yes, I believe that she's the harmless anti-vigilantarian, "plain town" lady she claims to be... and I believe she's being set up by opportunistic scum... and I suspect you're one of them.
kgb007 wrote:ah come on xstor, you've never been lacking for epic novels words so far this game...LOL
I'd much prefer his frequent long posts to what RD has been saying. I guess she is trying to claim town (Aren't we all?). But she isn't giving any role. She isn't helping the town with whatever she is doing, be it beating around the bush or being cryptic.
kgb007 wrote:ah come on xstor, you've never been lacking for epic novels words so far this game...LOL
I think everyone likes his longer posts and RD's confusing posts over your insufficient posts over the past few days.
If it wasn't for how scummy RD's claim sounds to me right now I'd be pushing for your head due to your inactivity in this game and lack of thoughtful posts.
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X-Stor-X wrote:Idk I think it might just be inexperienced with mafia talk. Still behavior is quite odd, elements of giving up for sure.
has anyone played with RD before?,
Never played with her but she appears to have had some decent activity in the CC mafia forum 5-6 years ago and has just recently returned. So, I think she should have knowledge of the basic terminology but perhaps its not quite like riding a bicycle.
Second post: March 23rd, adds a little to what was going on at the time. But no reads given really, just a bit of talk on what the opening scene could mean.
With the tally of six posts after he confirmed, I personally find only find posts 2 and 5 to be "real" posts. The rest is one sentences or fillers.
Add onto that the days between each post and the only reads and thoughts he's given are on Anark case, Jonty case and how many factions there MIGHT be against town. (The anark case was a very brief two question part directed at me in his second post and the Jonty's case was on his 5th post).
Out of posts 2 and 5, I personally find 5th to be the only useful post (useful is different from real).
Right now he is presenting the very definition of scummarining. Few posts (days apart), little to no insight on his/her thoughts and opinions on the game and current cases/new cases. (In fact 0 new cases are brought up by him/her).
So, if it wasn't for RD's odd claim that I think people want to see what it really flips (I think new player with a bad claim as mafia), I'd be voting you kgb. At least RD is trying to post as a new player, you're not. FOS kgb.
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kgb007 wrote:ah come on xstor, you've never been lacking for epic novels words so far this game...LOL
I think everyone likes his longer posts and RD's confusing posts over your insufficient posts over the past few days.
If it wasn't for how scummy RD's claim sounds to me right now I'd be pushing for your head due to your inactivity in this game and lack of thoughtful posts.
Took the words right out of my mouth.
Kgb is definitely a good target to look at tomorrow. Or hell, we could put some pressure on him today instead and Jonty could target RD tonight. Not that I'm desperate for a kill, but if the majority is in favor of lynching RD, we could no lynch/lynch whoever and still get RD tonight. Just my thoughts on it.
I'm saddened that only 2 of you jumped at the opportunity to flame me. These games are supposed to be fun, must you be so serious? There's only been so many regulars on these forums because of way more experienced players talk down to lesser players.
How many more cases would you like to have for D1? I must admit that my scum hunting abilities are rather weak since this is probably my 8th game ever (quick, go through my entire post history on the CC forums and check for yourself) but I'd rather let the people who feel strongly about certain players/post present their cases. To me, everything is suspicious and not suspicious at the same time since it's virtually a new experience every game so far.
Rather than carry on blindly with your gut (sometimes it's spot on btw) why not stop and consider the other player's perspective. People tend to be overconfident (not just in here but in real life) on their reads/predictions. The numbers actually side in RD's favor that she's telling the truth and simply frustrated that you don't get her sense of humor or sarcasm with the nitpicking in her responses. When I say numbers, I mean the odds that she's town vs. anything else (assuming of course you believe town outnumber non town). None of you can say for sure that she is or isn't town at this point unless you know something the majority of us don't (IE being part of a non town faction).
Also I'm a little confused jak..if my post from March 29 is real AND useful, which one was only real? What's the difference between real and useful?
FP'd Jmac (that's the first time I've typed the word FP'd).
Jmac1026 wrote:Kgb is definitely a good target to look at tomorrow. Or hell, we could put some pressure on him today instead and Jonty could target RD tonight. Not that I'm desperate for a kill, but if the majority is in favor of lynching RD, we could no lynch/lynch whoever and still get RD tonight. Just my thoughts on it.
Why am I good target to look at tomorrow? Because I've only post 8 times (including this post)? Why don't you spend the hour it would take to count up the number of posts by each player and report back. I bet you'd find it's mostly dominated by 5-6 players
Please link/recap all of my posts (for the third time mind you) and try to summarize in your own words what they meant as a basis of my towniness.
I forgot to insert the "by" between FP'd and jak...damn it!!!
Jmac1026 wrote:Took the words right out of my mouth.
Kgb is definitely a good target to look at tomorrow. Or hell, we could put some pressure on him today instead and Jonty could target RD tonight. Not that I'm desperate for a kill, but if the majority is in favor of lynching RD, we could no lynch/lynch whoever and still get RD tonight. Just my thoughts on it.
Actually, now that you mention that.. I just thought of a pretty good tactic.
There's two things about Jonty's claim.
1.) If it's real, it can be useful to us. 2.) If it's fake, we could use his claim against him and control who the mafia hit.
For example, let's say we're all in favour of lynching RD today, we make Jonty kill him in the night, if he's town, there should be another kill somewhere, if he's mafia then we control them from hitting someone else.
To explain it further, if Jonty doesn't kill someone the town wants dead, we lynch him the next day, but if he does, town will get its kill AND IF he's mafia, we stopped someone else from dying in the night.
I am just mentioning this because it could be a possible way to control mafia kills if people believe him to be mafia. What's there to lose if it's agreed by town that would've lynched somebody anyway if we test the vig role out some?
Onto kgb, we are not flaming you, personally I am pointing out your lack of activity. Also your second post was not very useful (in my opinion). "Everything is suspicious and not suspicious" Then explain what you find suspicious and why.
Really? We don't know if RD is town or mafia? Is that your best defense for not voting someone? In that case no one is EVER sure whether someone is town/mafia/3rd party. It's just an uncertainty. This game is won by taking those risks and chances for the reward of information to use.
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I have no powers. I can only vote. Yes it has been a real long time since I've played. And all the acronyms are not known to me. Yes. I am town. U don't know what the vanilla means. Ok. I think that's just plain weird.
Now it seems like all the people who's name starts with a " J" and the sausage are all voting to lynch me. I think the sausage is only doing it cause I voted to lynch him first. I don't know about the other person who voted maybe he's in cohorts with the others.
Okay, current thoughts on the Nark/RD situation. Narks early play was heavily erratic, however due to that we have three claims on the board. Nark-VT Jonty-1 shot Vig RD-VT It seems RD is quite a bit rusty and doesn't remember everything, which isn't a bad thing, however narks posts are a bit more cohesive and comprehensible. I don't have an extremely strong feeling of scum on either of them, but we need to test one of the claims. Also Jak what you say initially has face value, but I earlier posted on why mafia wouldn't claim a vig role this early in the game. Also I don't think Jonty is dumb enough to do that so town can "control" the kill. Lets just say he gets nothing but trouble out of doing that. Nark's play earlier today was a bit erratic though, and RD seems to be honestly confused on it, (not that looking terms up wouldn't solve anything). unvote Vote Nark. I am going to go at the end with the initial feeling i got from his first few posts. fp'd
aage wrote: Maybe you're right, but since we receive no handlebars from the mod I think we should get some ourselves.
Roger Dodger wrote:I have no powers. I can only vote. Yes it has been a real long time since I've played. And all the acronyms are not known to me. Yes. I am town. U don't know what the vanilla means. Ok. I think that's just plain weird.
Your play has been extremely frustrating. You could have simply said this several pages ago. Your a Vanilla Townie. You have no powers and all you can do is vote. Instead you draw out the play with nonsensical talk instead of getting to the point.
You may not like vigilantism in real life but in Mafia game roles have a purpose. All Town roles work independently. Its the player behind the role that counts. This is a logic based game.
Roger Dodger wrote:Now it seems like all the people who's name starts with a " J" and the sausage are all voting to lynch me. I think the sausage is only doing it cause I voted to lynch him first. I don't know about the other person who voted maybe he's in cohorts with the others.
You honestly think I am voting for you because you voted for me all the way back on page 6? Albiet that vote didn't make much of any sense considering you were voting me for "bandwagoning" when I was the first to vote someone and it was also a joke vote, so you must have been skimming then. But that doesn't mean my vote on you now is an OMGUS (revenge) vote. I voted for you based on your behavior on page 16, where you had little pressure on you and got really defensive and almost began to seem as though you were giving up.
I am going to keep my vote on you because, while your struggles since then have not been exactly scummy on their own, they also don't do anything to clear you. Your eventual VT claim doesn't do much for me. We are running low on time in this day, and I believe seeing a flip would help the town much more than waiting for the scum to pick off a townsmember tonight. I am inclined to be wary of your claim, because earlier on you were talking about how you would be a great loss for the town if lynched. That hints toward a power role of some sort, which it turns out that you aren't. So you must believe you are a great asset to us as just a potential vote.
However; since that time, all you have done to "help" the town is have a gut feeling and struggle to get your claim out. While your struggle isn't necessarily scummy in and of itself, but one has to think it wouldn't be as hard for you to understand what we were saying if you truly were a vanilla townie. And having feelings is definitely part of scum hunting, but when your feeling is against the currently most targeted player and you don't have any reasoning to try and get some more support than that is how you feel, it seems like you are just trying to get someone lynched while they are vulnerable.
So because of the little time left, my vote is that we lynch you before the day ends so that we can see how you flip (hopefully scum) and see what information is to be gained.
