Zelda Mafia ~ Town Wins! Hyrule is Safe

by **rdsrds2120** on Mon Aug 08, 2011 5:35 pm

shieldgenerator7 wrote:I don't think I found many scum leads during my read through, but I have some thoughts about flavor and game setup.
I find it interesting that the other link in the didn't have a sword or shield to combat with, so it might mean there was a possibility of him getting one, but of course he can't now since he's dead. And So Maple being able to switch objects makes sense. It probably also indicates that each link has an object of his own that he can use (I know I do) and I wonder whether these objects are one-time use or whether you can keep using them (like mine). It seems that you can keep using them until someone switches your object. I wonder which ability you can use on the night of the switching?

ABout scum leads, I really didn't find any, but rds' roleblocking claim sounds fishy. Granted, he did claim n00b, but what use would blocking a bulletproof be? I'd say rds fakeclaimed and he is either (a) Maple or (b)Link with the sword. I think he's lying about his true identity to hide something. Vote rds explain your logic for trying to roleblock a bulletproof or tell us who you really are.

I did not. There were two advantages from my point of view for roleblocking Hensow

1) In case he was lying about his claim (which we now know he wasn't, but not during N1)
2) I didn't know who else to roleblock really. I thought that since he was suspicious D1 and had gotten some attention, then it'd be a good person to roleblock. TBH, if I was mafia, I would have kept him alive and would have tried to perpetuate him being Mafia or something.

-rd

by **Mr. Squirrel** on Mon Aug 08, 2011 11:28 pm

Vote Count

shield (2) - yoshi, drunk monkey
rds (2) - shield, BG

by **Djfireside** on Tue Aug 09, 2011 12:15 pm

I went reading through and I will follow based on a few things between rds and edoc. Since I know what edoc was and trying to fit all the pieces together Im in agreement I think rds is hiding something

Vote RdsRds2120

by **pancakemix** on Tue Aug 09, 2011 4:46 pm

FOS fireside and BG.

Both of you have stated that there's evidence that rds is hiding something. Neither of you presented it. Either tell us what you know or I'll have no choice but to believe you're the ones hiding something.

by **Victor Sullivan** on Tue Aug 09, 2011 5:05 pm

I honestly don't think either shield or rds is scum... I think we're just miscommunicating a bit, perhaps a bit confused...

Vote freezie. I really don't think his hostility toward Dibbun/drake should be overlooked.

-Sully

by **nagerous** on Tue Aug 09, 2011 6:45 pm

There is no case against rds.

Vote fireside

seems to me he is just repeating what bg said and bandwagoning

by **dazza2008** on Wed Aug 10, 2011 6:04 am

Listen! I also do not see what the case is on Rds. I thought he explained his actions quite well and believe what he said. It does seem Djfireside is bandwaggoning BGtheBrain and looking back at day 1 I am finding BG a bit suspicious too.

vote Djfireside

by **drake_259** on Wed Aug 10, 2011 6:18 am

well i highly doubt its both of them i'm more leaning towards BG being the scum rather than Djfire due to i'm sure djfire is not dumb enough to bandwagon on that basis.

so my vote goes on Vote: BG.

by **Djfireside** on Wed Aug 10, 2011 9:46 am

Ill explain myself based on my bandwagon charge. Since edoc held majoras mask and I read back through all the forums and was trying to see who he would have viewed. Based on the description that was given, I took it as though the mask could have bad ramifications that caused his demise.

I was going on a limb trying to follow what he was doing and while Rds did explain himself I wasnt convinced and went with it. I may be wrong but there was no bandwagoning just following my own little thought process. My idea may be way out of scope and that may come from inexperience but works for the time.

by **Djfireside** on Wed Aug 10, 2011 9:51 am

Based on how the voting for edoc since I was basing everything off what we know about him now, I followed his voting but based on my notes from it I am a bit stumped on one of his statements after he recinded his vote. He removed the vote on RD but it seemed as though he was still going to investigate on him which lead me to think thats who he hit and thus my vote. As stated before if I am out on a limb on if thats even plausible let me know

by **drunkmonkey** on Wed Aug 10, 2011 10:00 am

Djfireside wrote:Based on how the voting for edoc since I was basing everything off what we know about him now, I followed his voting but based on my notes from it I am a bit stumped on one of his statements after he recinded his vote. He removed the vote on RD but it seemed as though he was still going to investigate on him which lead me to think thats who he hit and thus my vote. As stated before if I am out on a limb on if thats even plausible let me know

The scene leads me to believe that edoc's investigation & death were unrelated incidents.

Mr. Squirrel wrote:Elsewhere, Link had just finished snooping around with his Lens of Truth when he happened upon a Wizzrobe in the forest. This monster was well-known to Link as being one of the minions of Ganondorf. Link valiantly charged the wizard, completely forgetting that he carried no sword or shield. The Wizzrobe laughed and set Link aflame with one of his fire spells.

by **Rodion** on Wed Aug 10, 2011 10:26 am

shieldgenerator7 wrote:I'd say rds fakeclaimed and he is either (a) Maple or (b)Link with the sword. I think he's lying about his true identity to hide something. Vote rds explain your logic for trying to roleblock a bulletproof or tell us who you really are.

Why would "Link with the sword" claim "Link with the boomerang"? Elaborate on your thoughts here.

And Rds' logic for roleblocking a bulletproof had already been explained by the time you asked your question. He thought Hensow was fakeclaiming bulletproof and thus wanted to roleblock someone he thought was mafia. It undeniably makes sense.

If I have anything against Rds it is the fact that claiming to have roleblocked the dead guy is extremely convenient for scum: he gets to make a report that is almost sure not to be counterclaimed (unless someone tracked Rds or watched Hensow) while not giving town any information that it didn't already have (the information we got from his block was that "Hensow is not Wizzrobe" and we already knew that after Hensow flipped Wind Waker Link). However, that can be attributed to yet another unfortunate coincidence (just like the Witch/Vig epic fail combo).

dazza2008 wrote:Listen! I also do not see what the case is on Rds. I thought he explained his actions quite well and believe what he said. It does seem Djfireside is bandwaggoning BGtheBrain and looking back at day 1 I am finding BG a bit suspicious too.

vote Djfireside

Listen! Carefully! This is the first time I see you but I'd like to establish some things before this game becomes a clusterfuck. I don't care that you have a credible softclaim in Navi, you're still accountable for your actions! Your one-line justification for an Rds vote yesterday rubbed me the wrong way. Now you are all over yourself saying that DJ is bandwagoning BG when he is actually bandwagoning Rds. You also mentioned you find BG suspicious without stating an actual reason. I want a reason on your next post.

I'll also say it again: the case on Freezie is weaksauce. He is not obliged to know Dibbun's reputation (I myself checked that Freezie doesn't go out of the mafia forums oftenly). If you want to vote Freezie, make sure you bring new evidence to the table.

by **BGtheBrain** on Wed Aug 10, 2011 12:01 pm

by **dazza2008** on Wed Aug 10, 2011 2:45 pm

Rodion wrote:
dazza2008 wrote:Listen! I also do not see what the case is on Rds. I thought he explained his actions quite well and believe what he said. It does seem Djfireside is bandwaggoning BGtheBrain and looking back at day 1 I am finding BG a bit suspicious too.

vote Djfireside

Listen! Carefully! This is the first time I see you but I'd like to establish some things before this game becomes a clusterfuck. I don't care that you have a credible softclaim in Navi, you're still accountable for your actions! Your one-line justification for an Rds vote yesterday rubbed me the wrong way. Now you are all over yourself saying that DJ is bandwagoning BG when he is actually bandwagoning Rds. You also mentioned you find BG suspicious without stating an actual reason. I want a reason on your next post.

Hey! Yes I perhaps phrased that wrongly. I meant bandwaggoning with BG on Rds. Sorry. After a few games I will hopefully get all the terms right but I hoped you would all get my point. Not sure exactly what else you want me to say Rodion? I had a point I wanted to say so I said it. If my point takes 1 line or 200 is it not the point i'm making that counts?

by **Rodion** on Wed Aug 10, 2011 3:18 pm

dazza2008 wrote:
Rodion wrote:
dazza2008 wrote:Listen! I also do not see what the case is on Rds. I thought he explained his actions quite well and believe what he said. It does seem Djfireside is bandwaggoning BGtheBrain and looking back at day 1 I am finding BG a bit suspicious too.

vote Djfireside

Listen! Carefully! This is the first time I see you but I'd like to establish some things before this game becomes a clusterfuck. I don't care that you have a credible softclaim in Navi, you're still accountable for your actions! Your one-line justification for an Rds vote yesterday rubbed me the wrong way. Now you are all over yourself saying that DJ is bandwagoning BG when he is actually bandwagoning Rds. You also mentioned you find BG suspicious without stating an actual reason. I want a reason on your next post.

Hey! Yes I perhaps phrased that wrongly. I meant bandwaggoning with BG on Rds. Sorry. After a few games I will hopefully get all the terms right but I hoped you would all get my point. Not sure exactly what else you want me to say Rodion? I had a point I wanted to say so I said it. If my point takes 1 line or 200 is it not the point i'm making that counts?

To clarify, I said "all over yourself" but I actually meant "all over the place".

Anyhow, it is pretty damn hard to explain your thoughts in 1 line. Short of a cop saying he got a guilty report or a counterclaim, one-liners are not enough to reveal your thought process behind it in a convincible manner. You said Rds was in a hurry to get the day to end. Why did you think that? Perhaps because he was the 5th (I think) jokevote on Yoshi? It takes 11 to lynch and it is not feasible to imagine that a jokevote bandwagon would actually get 11 votes without any of the jokevoters retracting his vote before it is too late. The "no lynch" suggestion, while poor, is not a proof of being scum, but rather someone having a different (possibly worse) strategical approach to the game. The suggestion happened in my first mafia game (Safari's Terminator Mafia) and AoG got to L-1 for suggesting it if I recall correctly. He was vanilla town.

I still want to know why you think BG is "a bit suspicious". You mentioned it without explaining.

by **drunkmonkey** on Wed Aug 10, 2011 3:33 pm

FOS Iliad & killboy. I just went over the thread again - Iliad has yet to post, and killboy only posted once (a joke vote). I'm still learning the ropes, so I'm not sure how to get them involved.

I'm fairly certain rds is telling the truth. I think fireside just over-thought the edoc thing, and there's not enough there for me to cast suspicion on him just yet. I'm a little wary of BG, because I don't follow his reasoning of voting rds.

Keeping my vote on shield, waiting for a better explanation of his rds vote.

by **dazza2008** on Wed Aug 10, 2011 3:42 pm

Listen! I am new to this game. I think Rds has more experince in this than me but understood where he was coming from with what he said. BG is also new to this(I know because we played our first game together and we are in the same clan) but BG seems to me to be trying to find guilt in Rds where I can see none. He voted Rds the first day and is voting that way again despite the explaination.

I understand more than 1 line was probably needed but I am learning the game and thought saying a little was better than silence.

by **BGtheBrain** on Wed Aug 10, 2011 3:54 pm

by **drunkmonkey** on Wed Aug 10, 2011 3:59 pm

BGtheBrain wrote:I still dont think roleblocking someone who claims bulletproof was justified. I think it a strange coincidence for the mafia/SK that the bulletproof guy just happened to be roleblocked and just happened to be targeted by one of them. If they didnt think he would be roleblocked, why in gods name would they even bother on N1? Well, obviously they mustve known he would be blocked.

The vig targeted Hensow, not mafia/SK. Mafia targeted edocsil. That's already been explained. He said he roleblocked Hensow in case he was lying (same as the vig, I assume). Also, roleblocking doesn't remove bulletproof, according to http://www.mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php ... oleblocker

Besides, if he was lying about being town, why would he tell the truth about blocking Hensow?

by **Rodion** on Wed Aug 10, 2011 4:05 pm

dazza2008 wrote:Listen! I am new to this game. I think Rds has more experince in this than me but understood where he was coming from with what he said. BG is also new to this(I know because we played our first game together and we are in the same clan) but BG seems to me to be trying to find guilt in Rds where I can see none. He voted Rds the first day and is voting that way again despite the explaination.

I understand more than 1 line was probably needed but I am learning the game and thought saying a little was better than silence.

Sounds fair. For further reference, next time you say you think someone is suspicious you should already explain why instead of waiting until you are called out on it.

by **dazza2008** on Wed Aug 10, 2011 4:22 pm

Rodion wrote:
dazza2008 wrote:Listen! I am new to this game. I think Rds has more experince in this than me but understood where he was coming from with what he said. BG is also new to this(I know because we played our first game together and we are in the same clan) but BG seems to me to be trying to find guilt in Rds where I can see none. He voted Rds the first day and is voting that way again despite the explaination.

I understand more than 1 line was probably needed but I am learning the game and thought saying a little was better than silence.

Sounds fair. For further reference, next time you say you think someone is suspicious you should already explain why instead of waiting until you are called out on it.

Hey! ok

by **Victor Sullivan** on Wed Aug 10, 2011 4:28 pm

I just noticed this...

Mr. Squirrel wrote:

Um... "Zedla"? That's a shame... The art teacher at 'my' school has dyslexia, too.

-Sully

by **Mr. Squirrel** on Wed Aug 10, 2011 4:51 pm

Victor Sullivan wrote:I just noticed this...
Mr. Squirrel wrote:

Um... "Zedla"? That's a shame... The art teacher at 'my' school has dyslexia, too.

-Sully

I didn't even notice that. I switched it.

by **BGtheBrain** on Wed Aug 10, 2011 5:00 pm

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