Asylum Mafia-Endgame-Cult Wins!

[evilchaos]

Be aware that bussing is possible. I don't believe anyone would start something against their cult leader, but it is very possible that they voted when it looked like he was inevitably going to be lynched in order to make themselves look like town.

Snow and yoshi never voted for MeDeFe. They should be at the top of our suspect list.

Myself and com9 were the last two to vote, after it seemed like there was definitely going to be a lynch. Com9 should definitely be on the suspect list as well. Based on my own logic, I should be as well, although I'm not a cult. The person I recruited today to talk to can confirm that I still have my mason recruiter powers, so I can't have been recruited by a cult.

Yes, he still has his mason powers.

Which means because you busdrove us saf that evil targeted me last night.

Yes, it does.

John Smith is the best person ever!

[DoomYoshi]

I'm BACK!!!! Come Together, Right now! (That reads a lot better if you assume it's a bad Japanese translation).

Point 1) I never voted for MeDeFe, but I was silenced and couldn't vote for anyone.
Point 2) I wouldn't have voted for MeDeFe, as he was lynched without even a chance to claim. I only do that stuff to Comm9
Point 3) I am, however, glad that we got him

I will wait for vote count, but I am agreeing with the possibility of snowvillage as a recruited cultist, if not an initial cultist (originally I predicted 1 town/1 3rd/1 mafia). However, as it seems like there is no mafia (unless they have like a 50/50 kill chance or something), it is possible that there was 1 town/1 3rd/ 1 cult. It is still not entirely clear from Night 1 Scene if there was actually a recruitment, or just an attempt at one.

Question to Masons: Is there confirmation that each other are town? If so, can saf let us know if he has always been town, so I can check the validity of my busdriver hypothesis?

[safariguy5]

I'm BACK!!!! Come Together, Right now! (That reads a lot better if you assume it's a bad Japanese translation).

Point 1) I never voted for MeDeFe, but I was silenced and couldn't vote for anyone.
Point 2) I wouldn't have voted for MeDeFe, as he was lynched without even a chance to claim. I only do that stuff to Comm9
Point 3) I am, however, glad that we got him

I will wait for vote count, but I am agreeing with the possibility of snowvillage as a recruited cultist, if not an initial cultist (originally I predicted 1 town/1 3rd/1 mafia). However, as it seems like there is no mafia (unless they have like a 50/50 kill chance or something), it is possible that there was 1 town/1 3rd/ 1 cult. It is still not entirely clear from Night 1 Scene if there was actually a recruitment, or just an attempt at one.

Question to Masons: Is there confirmation that each other are town? If so, can saf let us know if he has always been town, so I can check the validity of my busdriver hypothesis?

There's no confirmation of anything, so I can't prove that I'm town. Still, I do think at least we've confirmed I am a busdriver from the shield switch.

[snowvillage]

Ok, I missed that part of Com9's post somehow. It does seem likely that a recruited player would not have voted for the cult recruiter, but then again this logic fails in the case of yoshi because he was silenced and thus had no vote (unless he had a ??? vote). But yoshi's silence could be explained by being recruited, depending on how naxus set up this game.
i don't think snow even posted after my wrap-up case against MeDeFe and Com9, so he couldn't have voted. But maybe he was just submarining. I still think Com9 is fishy, but I'll let it slide for now. Maybe snowvillage is the recruited cultie, IDK. But it's a lead. Unvote Vote Snowvillage. Also, snow hasn't posted yet in D3, although it's not much of a scum tell seeing how it just started today (as in this 24 hours).
Com9 you are not cleared as town yet in my mind, but you seem to be playing pro-town as of lately.

shield, the illuminating aura that once emanated from within you is slowly dwindling in light of your misplaced anger. I saw the arguments being placed against MeDeFe and did not agree with them; it is a surprise to me that such a mellow soul turned out to be equally evil. But that should not have been obvious to anyone. One of his fellow denizens presumably bussed him, seeing as his quiet spirit was rather vulnerable. I am surprised to hear the suspicion is cast on those who didn't send off MeDeFe to the other world, rather than the ones who initiated against him with little to base on. Did he even have an opportunity to claim? I was expecting a much lengthier discussion process, and didn't realize evilchaos's vote sealed poor MeDeFe's fate. Now a fear of so many of my fellow brothers is growing.

evilchaos, am I to understand you are clear of darkness? If not, your seemingly premature actions cast a tinge of uncertainty around you.

safari, my doubts about you remain as strong as ever, especially given your insistence to vote me after I initially expressed my concern over you. But are you too clear of darkness due to the actions of evilchaos? If not, my strong suspicion remains, especially since you seem to believe a cultist would recruit a misunderstood beacon of love and passion such as myself.

shield, my absence has been due to external reasons, and not worthy of garnering concern or troubling the soul. Life is not a race, but a journey, and to expect me to post within a day's time is to expect me to sprint. Calm yourself, my friend; if you are as pure as I once believed you to be, then we seek the same goals out of life.

Despite my growing paranoia of the above, I would still like to vote between edoc and Yoshi; was it not determined yesterday one of them had to be tainted? I still cannot recall which one I marked as evil, but as instructed, I switched both of them last night. If the vote will not be between them, then allow us to delve into the minds of safari and Com9. I worry over both of them, though I am not sure if safari has been purified. However, this hatred towards me appears to be a product of both healthy fear and greedy manipulation.

[evilchaos]

My hammer basically means confirmed town, in my opinion anyway. We think there's no mafia, so why would I hammer the cult leader/recruiter when there isn't a strong case against him? That wouldn't make any sense to me, and I don't understand how that would seem scummy snow.

John Smith is better than all of you!

[shieldgenerator7]

Yeah! Yoshi's back! Yoshi, would you please tell us who you targeted N1 and N2? And do you know why you were silenced?

@snow: I honestly am not suspicious of you and have no idea why saf suspects you're the recruit. But saf is an experienced player so I just kind of followed in his lead, mindlessly bandwagoning whoever it is he decides to lynch. Within reason of course. And BTW saf I'm still waiting on your logic behind voting snow. I still think Com9 is more suspicious but I don't really have all that much evidence on him.

[DoomYoshi]

I didn't target anyone on either Night. I am not sure how to play a Jailkeeper, and I didn't want to muck things up. Now that my role has been ousted though, I can start to protect anyone who wants it. I think that is fair

[DoomYoshi]

I didn't target anyone on either Night. I am not sure how to play a Jailkeeper, and I didn't want to muck things up. Now that my role has been ousted though, I can start to protect anyone who wants it. I think that is fair

It's not only fair, It's Scarborough Fair! No, that's not right, it's Melody Fair. Hmmm, still doesn't quite fit... Ah-Ha!!! It's Pablo Fanque's Fair

[shieldgenerator7]

I didn't target anyone on either Night. I am not sure how to play a Jailkeeper, and I didn't want to muck things up. Now that my role has been ousted though, I can start to protect anyone who wants it. I think that is fair

It's not only fair, It's Scarborough Fair! No, that's not right, it's Melody Fair. Hmmm, still doesn't quite fit... Ah-Ha!!! It's Pablo Fanque's Fair

That really puts a damper in my day because I suspected you targeted me both nights, and otherwise I can't figure out why my night action keeps failing.

[evilchaos]

Yeah! Yoshi's back! Yoshi, would you please tell us who you targeted N1 and N2? And do you know why you were silenced?

@snow: I honestly am not suspicious of you and have no idea why saf suspects you're the recruit. But saf is an experienced player so I just kind of followed in his lead, mindlessly bandwagoning whoever it is he decides to lynch. Within reason of course. And BTW saf I'm still waiting on your logic behind voting snow. I still think Com9 is more suspicious but I don't really have all that much evidence on him.

This is crazy suspicious...a townie never follows someone mindlessly. The experienced players that you "followed" could have easily been scum. Can you explain this more? Because even a noobtown would have considered that, in my opinion.

Vote Shield

John Smith is great!

[DoomYoshi]

I didn't target anyone on either Night. I am not sure how to play a Jailkeeper, and I didn't want to muck things up. Now that my role has been ousted though, I can start to protect anyone who wants it. I think that is fair

It's not only fair, It's Scarborough Fair! No, that's not right, it's Melody Fair. Hmmm, still doesn't quite fit... Ah-Ha!!! It's Pablo Fanque's Fair

That really puts a damper in my day because I suspected you targeted me both nights, and otherwise I can't figure out why my night action keeps failing.

You could be insane, like me, I am the Eggman!

[shieldgenerator7]

Yeah maybe night action is conditional or I am a crazy townie.

@evil - yes I understand why you voted for me but I think saf has proved that he is the busdriver, so he's more than likely town, unless there was a town/3rd party/mafia busdriver set up

[safariguy5]

First of all, as I've said yesterday, I will not claim before Shield - whatever happens. I have an irrefutable claim, but it loses a lot of value if claimed, so I will not play with that.

Anyways, it's clear that there's no mafia (9 player game is not big enough), so there's a SK and a Cult leader. Cult leader got 1 recruit and died, so we have a cultie and a SK to deal with.

Cultie: Yoshi and Snow are the only votes who didn't vote for MeDeFe, so they are very likely to be culties. If it's not one of those 3, the last suspect would be evil, because against MeDeFe was really weak and I doubt a cultie would start that against their own leader like that (Safari, Edoc are good enough to do that, but I think it's unlikely).

SK: Shield is a very probable bet here, but my bet is Safari. Safari said he switched himself with MeDeFe and Edoc said he blocked Safari, but in the actuality he blocked the Cult Leader, but it looks like the recruitment worked, so that means that Safari probably lied. Edoc most likely did INDEED blocked Safari and the kill with him.

Here's the reasoning for voting Snow. Yoshi being muted makes it less likely for me to believe he's the recruit because that would establish a much easier pattern to detect cult recruits and underpower cult too much.

[Commander9]

@ Shield - I really don't care whether you think of me as pro-town or not: that's not why I am here. Hell, I don't even care too much of what everyone thinks as long as I can get the job done (I.E. finding scum).

Myself and com9 were the last two to vote, after it seemed like there was definitely going to be a lynch. Com9 should definitely be on the suspect list as well. Based on my own logic, I should be as well, although I'm not a cult. The person I recruited today to talk to can confirm that I still have my mason recruiter powers, so I can't have been recruited by a cult.

My hammer basically means confirmed town, in my opinion anyway. We think there's no mafia, so why would I hammer the cult leader/recruiter when there isn't a strong case against him? That wouldn't make any sense to me, and I don't understand how that would seem scummy snow.

John Smith is better than all of you!

Nice contradiction here

Yeah! Yoshi's back! Yoshi, would you please tell us who you targeted N1 and N2? And do you know why you were silenced?

@snow: I honestly am not suspicious of you and have no idea why saf suspects you're the recruit. But saf is an experienced player so I just kind of followed in his lead, mindlessly bandwagoning whoever it is he decides to lynch. Within reason of course. And BTW saf I'm still waiting on your logic behind voting snow. I still think Com9 is more suspicious but I don't really have all that much evidence on him.

OOooohhh - mindless bandwaggoning, yes now that's a GREAT sign of pro-town behaviour!

A couple of things:

First of all, SHIELD needs to claim. I will follow him. With recruiter gone, there really is no point of with-holding it anymore and I don't see any reason why it should be (especially for him). I still would prefer to not claim as that would take one advantage from town, but I understand the rules of equality and that simple trust may not be enough.

Secondly, FOS @ on all of you who are now so seriously looking for a cultie. I am almost 90% sure that the banana guy is a killer, because I don't see a cult being the only danger in a 9 player game, and if it is true, there is still a killer on the loose, while the last cultie can easily be dealt with afterwards.

[snowvillage]

My hammer basically means confirmed town, in my opinion anyway. We think there's no mafia, so why would I hammer the cult leader/recruiter when there isn't a strong case against him? That wouldn't make any sense to me, and I don't understand how that would seem scummy snow.

John Smith is better than all of you!

My mind cannot understand the meaning of your pronouncement. If you didn't hammer the cult leader, someone else could have come in and hammered him, cleansing them of any doubt from their brethren. And if you agree there wasn't a strong case against him, why lay down your hammer? It's not as if you had the power to decide the fate of two men, and made the correct decision. No, my brother, you had a choice between action and inaction, and you chose action at a time when patience seemed like the better choice.

But I am still gobbled up inside; are you and safari necessarily on the same team now?

[safariguy5]

My hammer basically means confirmed town, in my opinion anyway. We think there's no mafia, so why would I hammer the cult leader/recruiter when there isn't a strong case against him? That wouldn't make any sense to me, and I don't understand how that would seem scummy snow.

John Smith is better than all of you!

My mind cannot understand the meaning of your pronouncement. If you didn't hammer the cult leader, someone else could have come in and hammered him, cleansing them of any doubt from their brethren. And if you agree there wasn't a strong case against him, why lay down your hammer? It's not as if you had the power to decide the fate of two men, and made the correct decision. No, my brother, you had a choice between action and inaction, and you chose action at a time when patience seemed like the better choice.

But I am still gobbled up inside; are you and safari necessarily on the same team now?

Being the hammer vote isn't really that meaningful, scum will do it the cover their tracks. I will say however, that you still having your mason powers tells me you're not a cult recruit as cult recruits usually lose night powers.

[Commander9]

Being the hammer vote isn't really that meaningful, scum will do it the cover their tracks. I will say however, that you still having your mason powers tells me you're not a cult recruit as cult recruits usually lose night powers.

BUZZ on the hammer part. The key to this is that it does nothing and you defending yourself and using this as a confirm of townyness only worries me.

Safari, it depends on the mod - some mods let cults keep their powers, so I don't agree here either.

[evilchaos]

My hammer basically means confirmed town, in my opinion anyway. We think there's no mafia, so why would I hammer the cult leader/recruiter when there isn't a strong case against him? That wouldn't make any sense to me, and I don't understand how that would seem scummy snow.

John Smith is better than all of you!

My mind cannot understand the meaning of your pronouncement. If you didn't hammer the cult leader, someone else could have come in and hammered him, cleansing them of any doubt from their brethren. And if you agree there wasn't a strong case against him, why lay down your hammer? It's not as if you had the power to decide the fate of two men, and made the correct decision. No, my brother, you had a choice between action and inaction, and you chose action at a time when patience seemed like the better choice.

But I am still gobbled up inside; are you and safari necessarily on the same team now?

My logic is this...

If I were town, I would be hoping for a good lynch. Lynching a lurking player is a decent move, and it allows us to analyze the motivations behind voting for him/not voting for him the next day. A lynch gives us something to work off of. So I would hammer.

If I were scum, I would be protecting the recruiter at all costs. I would have defended MeDeFe from the start, even if it made me look a tad scummy. It's better for the cult faction to have a random cultie killed than the recruiter, of course. I might even have claimed as cult to swing the vote. It is impossible for the cult to benefit from the leader dieing. I would certainly never have hammered, especially when there is no case against MeDeFe other than lurking and therefore no major suspicion cast on those not voting for him even if he came up as scum. It's not like I would be ignoring a huge case and refusing to hammer.

Maybe others would have played it differently, but that's how I would consider the situation from both alignments. To me, it wouldn't make sense to hammer MeDeFe if I were a cult member.

John Smith: He's still awesome.

[shieldgenerator7]

Ok, it seems like Com9 really wants me to claim. Is it so you can better make a fake claim? IDK. But I'm not claiming under no pressure like that, unless the rest of the town also wants me to claim.

OK, I see. We're lynching snow because he wasn't on the MeDeFe wagon? Interesting.

Com9, don't worry about whether I think you're town or not because it looks like the rest think you're town.

And I do toss around scummy terms when I talk about my actions just for fun and because I know I am town and that it doesn't hurt me.

[DoomYoshi]

Evilchaos: Your defense is WIFOM: I will buy it for now however. I am still curious as to why you would just drop a bomb like our daytalking yesterday? It ended up working for the best, as due to my silence I was otherwise in a position to not contribute important things unless that information was revealed anyways.

Perhaps I am Jaded by my own theories but I am still trying to figure out what's going on with the voting of snow by Saf. If saf is town, perhaps he assumed at first that all 3 drivers were town, but then started to doubt that idea. Snow is doing a weird smear campaign it seems like, throwing foses to almost every other player. The only player not accused of something in snow's post was Commander. So if snow turns out mafia, I think it is obvious who the next target is.

Also, Commander. Why not try to figure out who the cultie is? While I am sure the discussion will eventually get around to the mafia, right now we are trying to focus on one train of thought at a time, which seems like it will benefit town as less is likely to be overlooked.

[evilchaos]

Evilchaos: Your defense is WIFOM: I will buy it for now however. I am still curious as to why you would just drop a bomb like our daytalking yesterday? It ended up working for the best, as due to my silence I was otherwise in a position to not contribute important things unless that information was revealed anyways.

Perhaps I am Jaded by my own theories but I am still trying to figure out what's going on with the voting of snow by Saf. If saf is town, perhaps he assumed at first that all 3 drivers were town, but then started to doubt that idea. Snow is doing a weird smear campaign it seems like, throwing foses to almost every other player. The only player not accused of something in snow's post was Commander. So if snow turns out mafia, I think it is obvious who the next target is.

Also, Commander. Why not try to figure out who the cultie is? While I am sure the discussion will eventually get around to the mafia, right now we are trying to focus on one train of thought at a time, which seems like it will benefit town as less is likely to be overlooked.

If there was a killer, it is more important to focus on him then a useless cultie that can't recruit. At the same time, we aren't sure there is a killer. Maybe what was in the night scene was flavor? We have a jailkeeper and a roleblocker, if both claims are true. What is the chance that you got the SK both times? Pretty low, in my opinion.

[evilchaos]

Evilchaos: Your defense is WIFOM: I will buy it for now however. I am still curious as to why you would just drop a bomb like our daytalking yesterday? It ended up working for the best, as due to my silence I was otherwise in a position to not contribute important things unless that information was revealed anyways.

Perhaps I am Jaded by my own theories but I am still trying to figure out what's going on with the voting of snow by Saf. If saf is town, perhaps he assumed at first that all 3 drivers were town, but then started to doubt that idea. Snow is doing a weird smear campaign it seems like, throwing foses to almost every other player. The only player not accused of something in snow's post was Commander. So if snow turns out mafia, I think it is obvious who the next target is.

Also, Commander. Why not try to figure out who the cultie is? While I am sure the discussion will eventually get around to the mafia, right now we are trying to focus on one train of thought at a time, which seems like it will benefit town as less is likely to be overlooked.

If there was a killer, it is more important to focus on him then a useless cultie that can't recruit. At the same time, we aren't sure there is a killer. Maybe what was in the night scene was flavor? We have a jailkeeper and a roleblocker, if both claims are true. What is the chance that you got the SK both times? Pretty low, in my opinion.

EBWOP: John Smith is still the best person ever.

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[safariguy5]

Evilchaos: Your defense is WIFOM: I will buy it for now however. I am still curious as to why you would just drop a bomb like our daytalking yesterday? It ended up working for the best, as due to my silence I was otherwise in a position to not contribute important things unless that information was revealed anyways.

Perhaps I am Jaded by my own theories but I am still trying to figure out what's going on with the voting of snow by Saf. If saf is town, perhaps he assumed at first that all 3 drivers were town, but then started to doubt that idea. Snow is doing a weird smear campaign it seems like, throwing foses to almost every other player. The only player not accused of something in snow's post was Commander. So if snow turns out mafia, I think it is obvious who the next target is.

Also, Commander. Why not try to figure out who the cultie is? While I am sure the discussion will eventually get around to the mafia, right now we are trying to focus on one train of thought at a time, which seems like it will benefit town as less is likely to be overlooked.

If there was a killer, it is more important to focus on him then a useless cultie that can't recruit. At the same time, we aren't sure there is a killer. Maybe what was in the night scene was flavor? We have a jailkeeper and a roleblocker, if both claims are true. What is the chance that you got the SK both times? Pretty low, in my opinion.

Absolutely, if there is a killer, we wanna focus on him. However, there haven't been any deaths so far, but we know for sure that there is a cult and probably some recruits left. I think we deal with the known now, and with fewer numbers and apparently two useful blocking/protecting roles, the odds of hitting an SKer if there is one goes up once we get rid of a cultie.

Per Com9's cult list, he thinks its either snow or yoshi. I argue that yoshi being muted would be too detrimental as a cult mechanism, therefore I think it's snow. Original role abilities have nothing to do with cult recruitment they're mutually exclusive as far as I'm concerned.

[evilchaos]

@Mod: Vote count please

John Smith is the best person in the universe! His work is amazing.

[snowvillage]

My hammer basically means confirmed town, in my opinion anyway. We think there's no mafia, so why would I hammer the cult leader/recruiter when there isn't a strong case against him? That wouldn't make any sense to me, and I don't understand how that would seem scummy snow.

John Smith is better than all of you!

My mind cannot understand the meaning of your pronouncement. If you didn't hammer the cult leader, someone else could have come in and hammered him, cleansing them of any doubt from their brethren. And if you agree there wasn't a strong case against him, why lay down your hammer? It's not as if you had the power to decide the fate of two men, and made the correct decision. No, my brother, you had a choice between action and inaction, and you chose action at a time when patience seemed like the better choice.

But I am still gobbled up inside; are you and safari necessarily on the same team now?

My logic is this...

If I were town, I would be hoping for a good lynch. Lynching a lurking player is a decent move, and it allows us to analyze the motivations behind voting for him/not voting for him the next day. A lynch gives us something to work off of. So I would hammer.

If I were scum, I would be protecting the recruiter at all costs. I would have defended MeDeFe from the start, even if it made me look a tad scummy. It's better for the cult faction to have a random cultie killed than the recruiter, of course. I might even have claimed as cult to swing the vote. It is impossible for the cult to benefit from the leader dieing. I would certainly never have hammered, especially when there is no case against MeDeFe other than lurking and therefore no major suspicion cast on those not voting for him even if he came up as scum. It's not like I would be ignoring a huge case and refusing to hammer.

Maybe others would have played it differently, but that's how I would consider the situation from both alignments. To me, it wouldn't make sense to hammer MeDeFe if I were a cult member.

John Smith: He's still awesome.

There is the soothing voice of reason that I have been seeking. evil, my man, I truly believe your soul is bright in this day and moment.

Perhaps I am Jaded by my own theories but I am still trying to figure out what's going on with the voting of snow by Saf. If saf is town, perhaps he assumed at first that all 3 drivers were town, but then started to doubt that idea. Snow is doing a weird smear campaign it seems like, throwing foses to almost every other player. The only player not accused of something in snow's post was Commander. So if snow turns out mafia, I think it is obvious who the next target is.

Widen your eyes and see my "smearing" for what it truly is. I have only pronounced my true concerns for a few players - one of edoc/Yoshi, and Commander9. I pointed out my suspicion of evilchaos and safari to remind them that I am ever vigilant of any lingering hate that may manifest itself within their spirits. As for shield, the burning passion of adoration I had for him slightly dwindled when I heard the harsh tone of his voice directed at me. Do not be quick to exaggerate the feelings that I express.

Now given my greater trust of evilchaos, does that mean I must in turn trust safari?