Sweeney Todd Mafia ~ Town Wins. Ready to be Archived

[Commander9]

Biggest irony? Two characters that are Safari and Edoc have the most likely the role that theoretically should be framers

[TheSaxlad]

If im right and Edoc does come up as mafia, then you are next in line for lovett, which would be a nice way to distance yourself from edoc, so I dont think doc protection will be necessary.

I said that Todd and Lovett are the mafia, and I got a guilty investigation on edocsil. Why should I be lynched if edoc comes up mafia? If anything, if he comes up mafia, I should be protected as I would be confirmed as a sane cop.

Well the role of Yoshi was never revealed during the day, I don't know if we can assume they even know who Yoshi is, let alone what the pie would do. Though you're right, it is potentially an oddity.

In hind-sight, eating the pie was a mistake, I believed Yoshi was Lucy, and said multiple times the possibility of him being insane. Damn my hunger and love for pie!

I don't know about this Shaggy. I mean, it makes sense in a way. However- if Yoshi was the person making pies, then once he died- there would be no one to make pies. Since we all got a pie last night- I think Lucy is still out there. Also, if we assume there is a janitor- and the janitor role is usually mafia. I just can't see how a janitor would be pro-town, because we would need to know everyone's role. Only mafia would have something to conceal. And, if Yoshi was mafia, the role would have been revealed to us.

Mrs. Lovett is the one who makes pies Vio, not Lucy. She's probably still out there.

can someone explain janitor to me plz?

Janitors target a player and that player's role or name or both are concealed from the town until the end of the game. With Lovett alive, I think that is probably what is happening.

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Because its just as likely your trying to throw your scummate under a bus and gain the towns protection.

[jonty125]

[quote="edocsil"] Framers are poth common and simple, and I already implied that the person who would have bussed me was scum.

Sorry lack of expirenece so I'm still getting the grips of whether a role is common or not and I always thought busdrivers were pro town?

[ShaggyDan]

Framers are poth common and simple, and I already implied that the person who would have bussed me was scum.

Sorry lack of expirenece so I'm still getting the grips of whether a role is common or not and I always thought busdrivers were pro town?

Busdrivers could be anti-town, but it sounds a tad over-powered within an 11 person game with supposdly one malicious faction.

As far as a framer, I don't discount the idea of one being in this game. But my logic in discounting this as a possibility is as follows:

1. The possibility of a framer being in this game. If so, what character would fit it? (Most likely a character not featured in the films, I can't see Lovett or Todd being a framer, perhaps Toby? But that is a bery big stretch).

2. The possibility that the framer and cop overlapped with their targets. There was very little indication that Saf would investigate Edoc.

For now, I'm willing to go with the cop's guilty. If he flips innocent I will most likely re-evaluate my position, but for the time-being I believe the claim. If he's guilty there is a chance that he's just bussing his partner, but that can be something we deal with tomorrow after the flip. Of course, if he flips innocent I'd be willing to discount Saf's claim, though because edoc claimed Beadle, if Beadle flips town then I imagine Turpin is town... which means he would have been given a fake-claim of Turpin for maf.

If it is a Turpin + Beadle mafia I really can't see Saf bussing Beadle, that would be incredibly stupid because as soon as Beadle flipped mafia then our next target would automatically be Turpin (as is is pretty strongly suggested that they are on the same side).

So that leaves us with the following possibilities:

1. Saf is Turpin, Edoc is Beadle and was framed or swapped.

2. Saf is Turpin, Edoc is lieing and scum.

3. Saf is lieing, Edoc is town.

Personally I believe #2. Though #1 is a possibility, I'm more inclined to believe that there is no framer (due to flavour spec mostly), and that any bus-driver would be town alligned, and probably would have come forward by now (to give a reason why we have a guilty on Beadle).

Sorry, that was more a verbal vomit of opinions, but I always think more talk helps town than hurts it. And tbh I'm paying more attention to this game than others because Sweeney Todd is amazing.

[safariguy5]

Framers are poth common and simple, and I already implied that the person who would have bussed me was scum.

Sorry lack of expirenece so I'm still getting the grips of whether a role is common or not and I always thought busdrivers were pro town?

I've had mafia busdrivers, third party busdriver survivors, and town busdrivers in my modded games . But you are correct, the most common alignment of busdriver is town, although that is not a hard and fast rule. However, a mafia busdriver is essentially a framer with the added ability of messing up protections for cops, allowing the mafia the ability to kill a claimed cop even with doctor protection. A very powerful role if you know how to use it.

I'm agreeing with ShaggyDan on this one, let's look at the known and assumptions about mafia.

1. (Assumption)- Mafia is 2 members, Todd and Lovett.

2. Mafia have a NK, highly hinted to be the work of Todd and Lovett, and the NK'ed role is automatically Janitored of both name and ability.

I'm pretty sure that both of those things are true and if we don't have a third person, it's already pretty strong for mafia. We have a killer and a person who janitors the roles, depriving town of information from the NK deaths. If you add a framer ability in there, then mafia would be OP in my opinion. I have to follow my investigation results and stick with an edoc lynch.

[VioIet]

Framers are poth common and simple, and I already implied that the person who would have bussed me was scum.

Sorry lack of expirenece so I'm still getting the grips of whether a role is common or not and I always thought busdrivers were pro town?

Jonty, just because the bus-driver has yet to claim, doesn't mean that there isn't one in the game.

Because its just as likely your trying to throw your scummate under a bus and gain the towns protection.

He that is indeed what he is doing, then he is playing quite well. That is nothing but speculation though, at this point.

Biggest irony? Two characters that are Safari and Edoc have the most likely the role that theoretically should be framers

This might be a shot in the dark- but i wonder if Turpin and Lucy have alternate win conditions. Lucy with the pie, and then Turpin winning the game if he kills Sweeney. And then Sweeney on the other hand, wins the game if he kills Turpin.
That would explain things quite a bit if Commander was Sweeney.

[edocsil]

Framers are poth common and simple, and I already implied that the person who would have bussed me was scum.

Sorry lack of expirenece so I'm still getting the grips of whether a role is common or not and I always thought busdrivers were pro town?

The 4 most common scum roles are Goon, Godfather, Roleblocker, and Busdriver.

[naxus]

I do love the fact that with a cop claim and investigation, the arguments are still are argued of whether edoc should be hung.

[Mr. Squirrel]

Vote Count
edoc (3) - safariguy, shaggy, jonty
C9 (1) - vio
jonty (1) - edoc

deadline sunday (tomorrow)
5 to lynch

[safariguy5]

Framers are poth common and simple, and I already implied that the person who would have bussed me was scum.

Sorry lack of expirenece so I'm still getting the grips of whether a role is common or not and I always thought busdrivers were pro town?

The 4 most common scum roles are Goon, Godfather, Roleblocker, and Busdriver.

Not busdriver, framer.

[jonty125]

Will be gone for 48 hours.

[safariguy5]

Vote Count
edoc (3) - safariguy, shaggy, jonty
C9 (1) - vio
jonty (1) - edoc

deadline sunday (tomorrow)
5 to lynch

Is it still greatest number of votes lynched or no lynch?

[edocsil]

Vote Count
edoc (3) - safariguy, shaggy, jonty
C9 (1) - vio
jonty (1) - edoc

deadline sunday (tomorrow)
5 to lynch

Is it still greatest number of votes lynched or no lynch?

Humh. Not good for me if it is.

[Mr. Squirrel]

Vote Count
edoc (3) - safariguy, shaggy, jonty
C9 (1) - vio
jonty (1) - edoc

deadline sunday (tomorrow)
5 to lynch

Is it still greatest number of votes lynched or no lynch?

Yep. Unless you guys want otherwise.

[edocsil]

Well I do, but I don't know how valid my opinion is!

[TheSaxlad]

Surely if we can't get a majority lynch then it should be a no lynch because lynching is a majority?

[Haggis_McMutton]

Surely if we can't get a majority lynch then it should be a no lynch because lynching is a majority?

Interesting.

Not the statement itself. This is a very clear case of mod's call, and I agree with Mr. S' decision, what's interesting is why you'd say this.

All day you've been proposing that we lynch edoc and NK safari for absolutely ridiculous reasons.

You've been saying something like "If edoc is innocent, then clearly safari lied and he should be NK'd, if edoc is guilty, then safari likely threw him under the bus to save himself and we should NK safari". Yeah ...

However, despite saying we should lynch edoc, you've never put your vote on him and are now actually trying to save him ...
Care to explain?

Anyway, you just re-convinced me: vote edoc

[TheSaxlad]

you want me to vote edoc. vote edoc

I was only questioning the rules as I know different Mods do different things, and all are open to suggestions. If it makes me look scummy, what can I do.

[edocsil]

I am Sweeny Todd. As the mafia GF I had thought I was investigation immune and that if I was investigated Safari would lose his power. Seemed like a good plan, but as you can see it had a rather fatal flaw.

Good Game.

[Mr. Squirrel]

Yep. Thats a lynch. Scene coming shortly

[Mr. Squirrel]

After inciting the Judge's wrath the day before, Todd knew it would be difficult to get near the Judge again. He decided to aggravate the Judge to the point that the Judge would come to his humble shop once again, in order to summon him to court. Sure enough, the Judge came by a few days later and investigated his shop. What Mr. Todd did not bet on was the Judge recognizing him from those many years ago. The next day, the Judge was inciting the town to storm Todd's shop. He was arrested and executed. The demon barber was no more.

Edocsil - Sweeney Todd (Mafia GF) has been killed

While the town was killing the barber, Mrs. Lovett sat in her shop watching the mob outside form. There was a slight drizzle outside and before long tears began running down her face as well. She had wronged Mr. Todd so many times out of love for him. When she had found Lucy's body in the basement, she had baked it quickly so that Todd could not get a look at the wife he had just killed. Now Mrs. Lovett felt lost as the man she had loved was now gone.

That night, as she sat in her parlor, Toby came to her and saw the tears on her face. The boy held her, comforted her, and most of all, called her 'mum'.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_BQ4_xlj9o&feature=related

Mrs. Lovett knew that she had to keep the shop in business. This poor boy needed her as much as she needed him. If Mr. Todd was no longer around to give her meat for her pies, then she would just have to go out and get it herself, she resolved. She would do anything, so long as she could provide for this boy.

Night 2 begins!

[Mr. Squirrel]

The citizens of London woke up the next morning satisfied with themselves. The killer barber had been dealt with and no one had died in the night. Although they were all very surprised that Mrs. Lovett's pie shoppe seemed to be low on inventory.

Morning 2 has been skipped.

Day 3 begins!
8 alive, 5 to lynch

Also, that is probably the fastest night phase I have ever seen.

[Commander9]

Your investigations, Safari?

[safariguy5]

Your investigations, Safari?

Investigation failed. I had a suspicion that Fogg might be in the game as a jailkeeper, might have been the one to protect me. Or a roleblocker targeted me, but that would imply a mafia one and I tend to believe that I was jailkept.

But seeing as how I was probably the highest priority target, I wanna conclude we have a jailkeeper. Going by how the edocsil wagon went yesterday, my suspicions on behavior centers on Sax for his waffling on a vote, for his rather convoluted suggestion that I be lynched, and his overall reluctance to follow the cop.

vote TheSaxlad

[safariguy5]

Oh and one more thing. We definitely know there are some townspeople (could be unnamed) probably as VT's. So mafia definitely have fakeclaims.