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by / on Sat Jan 01, 2011 5:31 am

safariguy5 wrote:By the way, is it going to be a no lynch deadline or highest vote count deadline?

same as last phase, 50/50 shot at one or the other

by **spiesr** on Sat Jan 01, 2011 10:37 am

Fircoal wrote:Hey aage, xue, spiesr, violet, safari and other person who seriously hasn't been posting enough, which of the two do you find scummier at the moment. If the deadline were to go right now, whom would you vote for?

Well, if I was forced to choose between the two people with votes now, Drewdue and flores, I would have to go with flores as I simply because I am fairly confident that there won't be a mafia aligned double voter. Not that I am at all confident about lynching flores at this point, but it seems to me that it would be better to take a shot in the dark than lynch someone whom I am fairly confident is town. The only way that I could see there being an anti-town aligned double voter in this game is if this is a cult game and the double voter gets recruited and retains his power. Now, with no death last night and all, it is possible that this game could be a cult game, we will have to take another look at this idea at some point further down the line. If that is the case though, I doubt that any recruiter would have chosen Drewdude last night after his comments on day 1.

safariguy5 wrote:By the way, is it going to be a no lynch deadline or highest vote count deadline?

I imagine that it will work like it did the last time around, where it is a secret which way it will go...

by **jeraado** on Sat Jan 01, 2011 11:13 am

Well, I don't really want to see drew or flores get lynched. Drew because for now he has made a part-claim which seems more likely to be town, and I don't really buy the case against flores. That being said, I don't think drew has been cleared from suspicion entirely. After all he has never actually fully claimed, nor did he respond to the request for backstory and has so far been more disruptive than helpful for town.

The case against flores seems a bit too much of a stretch for me - it seems to focus on taking herk to l-1, and the comments about actions over xmas. In fact if we take away drew's OMGUS then we might not even be talking about it - ga7 made a long but light case and mr squirrel has jumped on although I can't really see why.

Also, I'm still a little bit uneasy with fircoal. Even re-reading the previous posts the defense of drew was a little too vehement for my liking. We've already heard the reasons why, but I think it is something worth keeping in the back of our minds.

For some reason I'm also getting a funny feeling (not that type!) about Mr Squirrel. Maybe its because of herk that I'm reading more into his posts than others, but Mr Squirrel seems to be posting just enough content to avoid questions, yet is hopping on to each wagon like a ... squirrel.

I'm also interested in hearing more from victor and aage, and anything from violet. But for now, for going silent then voting for another silent person, I'll vote xuereb. However at the moment I'm teetering though so I may re-read and change again shortly if I pick up on something else

by **VioIet** on Sat Jan 01, 2011 12:37 pm

Mr. Squirrel wrote:
/ wrote:Mr.Squirrel, Mystery special #1: ???

Ok, Drew. On account that mafia double-voters are almost non-existent, you're practically guaranteed town to me.

I've been a mafia double voter twice. I've seen a town double voter 0 times.
Actually from my experience, double voters are more likely mafia than town.

by **VioIet** on Sat Jan 01, 2011 12:42 pm

Fircoal wrote:Hey aage, xue, speiser, violet, safari and other person who seriously hasn't been posting enough, which of the two do you find scummier at the moment. If the deadline were to go right now, whom would you vote for?

Neither, I would actually vote for Mr. Squirrel. Still irked with him from Day 1.

If herk truly knew Squirrel was scum he should have said that before he died. So ignoring herk, i've had my own suspicious against him. Scum normally have to setup/frame/trap another player right off, and that is indeed what squirrel did. First he tried with me, then he did it to herk with success. I think townies are more cautious and slow before picking an argument against someone.

Vote Squirrel

by **safariguy5** on Sat Jan 01, 2011 1:16 pm

Fircoal wrote:
Fircoal wrote:Hey aage, xue, speiser, violet, safari and other person who seriously hasn't been posting enough, which of the two do you find scummier at the moment. If the deadline were to go right now, whom would you vote for?

It's jeraddo.

I believe Drew when he claimed in a roundabout way to be a doublevoter, so I do think he probably is town. The main problem I have with the case on flores is as you yourself said, there were at least 3 people who were on both bandwagons. There are several people that that scum bw argument could apply to. On the other hand, we've had 3 people (xuereb, Vio, and jeraado) who haven't said much at all. As I have indicated, I have voted for Vio, but this is also an imperfect system because again there are multiple targets. At least xue had the guts to put out a vote. But really, if we can't even remember jeraado, that's probably the biggest submariner of all. So I'd probably vote for him just to see if we can't get some activity out of him.

by **Mr. Squirrel** on Sat Jan 01, 2011 4:13 pm

jeraado wrote:For some reason I'm also getting a funny feeling (not that type!) about Mr Squirrel. Maybe its because of herk that I'm reading more into his posts than others, but Mr Squirrel seems to be posting just enough content to avoid questions, yet is hopping on to each wagon like a ... squirrel.

Hopping on each wagon? I admit, I hopped on the wagon for ga7 but other than that I don't know what you mean. I started the herk wagon, which is very different from 'hopping' on it, and I never joined in the wagon on drew.

VioIet wrote:'ve been a mafia double voter twice. I've seen a town double voter 0 times.
Actually from my experience, double voters are more likely mafia than town.

Really? Mafia double-voters are rare because they mean that the mafia doesn't necessarily have to equal the town's numbers at the end. I've seen a couple but most of the time the double-voters are town.

VioIet wrote:Scum normally have to setup/frame/trap another player right off, and that is indeed what squirrel did. First he tried with me, then he did it to herk with success. I think townies are more cautious and slow before picking an argument against someone.

It depends I guess. I accused herk yes, but I didn't advocate his lynch until the very end. I would not have lynched him had he not flipped out the way he did.

by **aage** on Sat Jan 01, 2011 6:07 pm

Fircoal wrote:Hey aage, xue, speiser, violet, safari and other person who seriously hasn't been posting enough, which of the two do you find scummier at the moment. If the deadline were to go right now, whom would you vote for?

Check the previous page, I actually did post. And it is the 1st of january. I usually celebrate that without CC

If I were to vote for anyone I wanted to see lynched it'd be for VioIet because of what I mentioned in that last post, and the fact that she didn't repond to it.
I don't think Drewdude is scum because the only secret vote role I ever played was town.
I don't think Flores is scum because however much ga7 may not like her, I mostly agree with what she says. And

perhaps aage was following my lead because he is my bff, who knows

that too ofc

but it has nothing to do with the game. She pursued Herk during day 1, I did so too. I don't think it was scummy to put Herk at L-1 because someone has to but then Drew hammers him practically saying 'I dont agree with this lynch but I'm hammering because I wantz speed'. Reread here:

"Improve your defense right now", by possibly lynching a roe-blocker that is town aligned? Doesn't mix very well once you think about it. On the other hand, I'd rather not waste any more time than needed so I will go along with herk.

Vote theherkman

Yes, I added the colours, they're not really in the quote <_<

This is why I pursued Drewdude. Now that he very convincingly claims the secret vote I'm willing to believe him. So the two "bandwagons" out there are not interesting to me.

by / on Sun Jan 02, 2011 4:03 am

Vote count

DrewDude, 3 votes: FloresDelMal, Victor Sullivan, Haggis_McMutton

FloresDelMal, 4 votes: DrewDude, ga7, Mr. Squirrel, ???

VioIet, 2 votes: safariguy5, xuereb

Mr.Squirrel, 1 vote: VioIet

xuereb, 1 vote: jeraado

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch

Deadline friday

by **FloresDelMal** on Sun Jan 02, 2011 10:22 am

/ wrote:Vote count

DrewDude, 3 votes: FloresDelMal, Victor Sullivan, Haggis_McMutton

FloresDelMal, 4 votes: DrewDude, ga7, Mr. Squirrel, ???

VioIet, 2 votes: safariguy5, xuereb

Mr.Squirrel, 1 vote: VioIet

xuereb, 1 vote: jeraado

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch

Deadline friday

OK, i don't remember having encountering a double voter before, , i still find drewdude fishy as rollmops but i am not about to risk a likely town double voter, so unvote still i think it could be cool to get him investigated, because violet says that out of 2 times she encountered this role, the 2 times was aligned with scum, and even if he is town the possibility of a recruiter getting to him tonight can not be discredited so quickly.

Now, about the wild "offense is the best defense" stunt that ga7 pulled for protect Mr. Squirrel, makes me think about linked roles, or maybe some sort of enabler, again basing my judgment on the death scene of the herk, i am fairly confident that the "delusional" part of his role comes from the confidence he have on the greatness of his culinary skill, when in fact he is a horrible cook, in fact so horrible, that his dishes could have "roleblocked" out of indigestion his poor customers, the herk was after all the town roleblocker, and with a game this size, i don't think town could have more than one roleblocker, and maybe a joat, that's why i said we shouldn't be too quick in congratulate ourselves on the lack of NK because i don't think scum got roleblocked with herk being dead, so ill give a little credence to the herk and FOS Mr. Squirrel again, thought i am not really sure about where to place my vote for this day.

by **ga7** on Sun Jan 02, 2011 10:56 am

Sorry for the inactivity, ny eve took its toll

At least only 2 pages to reread.

aage wrote:You are ignoring the post I made on the previous page which practically destroys your argument about "delusional".
He. Was. Unaware. Of. It.
There is a reason all of this is not posted in blue, but rather in black in /'s end-of-day post.

There is absolutely no point in him being aware or unaware of it. It doesn't explain a thing, and it even makes more sense that on the low probability he had "squirrel is scum" in his PM he would shout it like that since he was not aware of his delusion. The fact he had this hidden role made him all the more dangerous too since he would unknowingly poison people. I fail to see how it destroys any argument, it in fact reinforces them.

aage wrote:As for flores' "attack back, answer questions later" tactics, you're doing the same to me.

Not really since you're failing to attack my arguments. I just pointed out that you were wagonning two townies which might be why you're defending Flores so hard since you'd be next in line (well, that or you're the scumbuddy of 2010 :lol:

).

aage wrote:I think that he would have roleblocked anyone who he targeted with his night action. On top of that the person would be poisoned. But he doesn't know, since he's unaware. So night 1 his target is roleblocked, night 2 the target dies.
I agree that it's a good thing that we lost him (or at least I gather from your post that it was a good thing to do) but I don't see how the people on that wagon were scummy. Looking at the evidence it was a good enough case to start off with, and I don't expect anyone to come knocking on our door on day 2 saying "hi guys, I'm mafia".

Well we're in agreement then except the last part since while it was undoubtedly a good day 1 lynch the fact remains he wasn't mafia therefore the voting record can be used to find scum on the wagons.

safariguy5 wrote:I personally think Mr. Squirrel was simply being OMGUSed by herk as herk was stepping up to the noose. In terms of scumminess on my list,

1. aage/flores/Victor for bandwagon voting patterns.

2. Vio/xuereb for not posting (although they have been prodded)

In regards to Drew, I second Mr. S when we ask for some clarity in posting. If you have to say something, make it explicit. I do find it a bit odd that Fir would spend so much time defending him. I'm sure you're a nice guy chu, but I don't often see you straight up defending someone to the hilt. It's definitely somewhat out of character for you if I may metagame a bit here. I wonder if you guys are lovers or something.

Agree on your list, you could even add Haggis as submarining scum, but I don't find out of character for Chu to defend noobs, but that doesn't give a clue about his alignment since I think he'd want to help noobs even as mafia

I don't really get why several of you had to have the claim spelt out when it was pretty clear, but well I guess these are not times for subtlety.

VioIet wrote:
Mr. Squirrel wrote:
/ wrote:Mr.Squirrel, Mystery special #1: ???

Ok, Drew. On account that mafia double-voters are almost non-existent, you're practically guaranteed town to me.

I've been a mafia double voter twice. I've seen a town double voter 0 times.
Actually from my experience, double voters are more likely mafia than town.

Then you have played too many unbalanced games by noob mods (no offense). / is better than that, mafia double voter is in theory possible in a balanced setup where town would need both a mayor and plenty of killing powers, and it would still be a huge edge at endgame for mafia. Maybe a doublevoting hated mafia could work but it's downright silly

Flores does it again btw, she so wants to avoid an investigation on her and her scumbuddies that again she calls for the cop to investigate this time DrewDude... And again people saying I had a light case are disregarding this argument. I hope she gets lynched at the deadline so I can say I told you so

Btw Flores again you ignore the poisoner part, that was a freaking different part of his role... Of course we're likely to have another roleblocker or role alike since that one was poisoner too, or as you said at least a joat.

by **FloresDelMal** on Sun Jan 02, 2011 11:04 am

the only reason i suggest where to direct investigations is because i believe that they serve the towns best interest, but if the cop out there believes that i am the fishiest scummiest person around by all means be my guest, and investigate me, is not like i have anything to hide.
about the delusional poisoner part of herk i really thought it was the flavor of his roleblocking, i thought the poisoning was food poisoning hence the roleblocking, now if those were really two separate roles and the second one could have been triggered somehow, that change everything.

by **ga7** on Sun Jan 02, 2011 11:05 am

But how on earth is it town's best interest to investigate a proven double voter on the off chance / used an unbalanced mafia role, when the guy already got a huge target painted on his back???

by **FloresDelMal** on Sun Jan 02, 2011 11:10 am

well, even though i dont doubt the balancing skills of the mod, im pretty sure, but i might be wrong, because i have not been blessed with good memory, that this is my first game with / as a mod and i dont have enough of a grasp for try to guess his setting, being double voter, a role that im not familiar with, i am forced to base my judgement on the dissimilar experience of the role that the other players voiced already, which it means that it can go both ways alignment wise, but seems to be most likely that could be town, which is why i unvoted, despite drew being fishy as a rollmops as i pointed already.

by **ga7** on Sun Jan 02, 2011 11:14 am

Dissimilar experience really? Mr S, Saf, Spiesr, Aage and me expressed that double voter was much more likely town. Violet expressed that she only knows that role as mafia in two games (I'd like to know which btw :lol:

). Obviously for you Violet's experience outweighted all us poor noobs' one. BS much?

by **FloresDelMal** on Sun Jan 02, 2011 11:17 am

well yeah, is exactly as you say it, you pickled fish flavored frenchman, is because i give you all no credence that i unvoted the rollmops drew, yep, because i give 100% credibility to Violet i unvoted the guy that i believe to be mafia certainly and who happens to have two votes on me, making my new year resolution of being a selfdestructive mafia player.

by **aage** on Sun Jan 02, 2011 1:47 pm

ga7 wrote:I fail to see how it destroys any argument, it in fact reinforces them.

This is quite possible since I misinterpreted your post. I was under the impression you were on the other side of the argument, and that obviously didn't make sense

by **Haggis_McMutton** on Mon Jan 03, 2011 6:53 am

Ok, looks like Drew isn't going to share his backstory ...

I don't have a lot of experience with double voters so initially I thought he may well be a scum double voter but the way you guys explained that it would screw up the endgame makes sense, I guess it's more likely he's town.
So I'll unvote as well.

Don't have anything else now, I'll try to re-read later.

by **Fircoal** on Mon Jan 03, 2011 8:08 pm

ga7 wrote:Dissimilar experience really? Mr S, Saf, Spiesr, Aage and me expressed that double voter was much more likely town.

I agree with the experience here.

Hey Flores, why don't we investigate someone that most of the town finds suspicious, like you? Your reasons for trying to get SquirrellyWirly Fuzzykins was weak and likewise Drew is pretty much seen on the town side nowzel. Frenchie-chan is outdoing you with timezel.

Also I don't get where this idea that Frenchie-chan is protecting SquirrellyWirly Fuzzykins is coming from. IT really sounds like a big reach to mezel.

by **Mr. Squirrel** on Mon Jan 03, 2011 9:51 pm

This deadline should have been made sooner. Personally, I don't want there to be a no lynch but I'm finding it difficult to say that flores is deserving of the lynch. She has been scummy, of course, and is probably our best bet right now, but I still wish we had a better target or a more firm case.

Fircoal wrote:SquirrellyWirly Fuzzykins

Everytime I read this, I smile childishly

by / on Tue Jan 04, 2011 12:53 am

Vote count

DrewDude, 1 vote: Victor Sullivan
FloresDelMal, 4 votes: DrewDude, ga7, Mr. Squirrel, ???
VioIet, 2 votes: safariguy5, xuereb
Mr.Squirrel, 1 vote: VioIet
xuereb, 1 vote: jeraado

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch

Deadline friday

Mr. Squirrel wrote:This deadline should have been made sooner.

OK then, Drewdude has been retroactively lynched 6 pages ago. Night 2 begins =P~

by **Mr. Squirrel** on Tue Jan 04, 2011 10:15 pm

So.... anyone got anything else to share or are we all just gonna wait until deadline?

by **Fircoal** on Tue Jan 04, 2011 10:50 pm

We have two choices I can see. Decide to lynch Flores or pick up a no lynch. No one else is scummy enough in my eyes and nor do I think a case could really be developed in time. Besides I think it's pretty clear, at least to me that Flores is scummeh!

Vote: Flores

by **DrewDude** on Wed Jan 05, 2011 5:28 pm

I have confirmed that he was joking and I'm not dead so continue on playing.

by **Victor Sullivan** on Thu Jan 06, 2011 5:52 pm

Fircoal wrote:We have two choices I can see. Decide to lynch Flores or pick up a no lynch. No one else is scummy enough in my eyes and nor do I think a case could really be developed in time. Besides I think it's pretty clear, at least to me that Flores is scummeh!

Vote: Flores

Sorry for the lull in my commenting, but Ive read up and agree with Fircoal: unvote, vote flores

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