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[strike wolf]

I really do feel we should look into at least a couple of the VT claims before going to night. I also want to look back on Dazza personally since I have been kind of mixed about him with an early scum read and then a town vibe. Aage and Hotshot are the VT claims that stand out to me.

[charm]

Woot woot 101 pages of how to play mafia!

Actually, I think it is because we all have so many medals.

On a serious note, who took my wand?
Can I have it back?

I'll take suggestions on what scum player should get my gift.

[mtamburini]

Im kinda curious of wanting to know Dazzas/Muds allignment

[mtamburini]

I think Dazza could be Voldemort considering the fact that voldemort can only die due to a lynch unless I am killed first, him claiming a role that would never die in the night is highly suspect considering we would never lynch him.

On the upside I think mud is scummy as well so if Im wrong on dazza I can have some consolation on probably getting mud right.

Who knows maybe they are both mafia

[got tonkaed]

Can you full claim Mtam?

[mtamburini]

Can you full claim Mtam?

And what more do you want to know

[mtamburini]

Mudpuppy were going to lynch dazza care to come on board?

[mtamburini]

VOTE DAZZA

[MudPuppy]

Mudpuppy were going to lynch dazza care to come on board?

Mtambo, we've been asking you to fully claim... care to do so?
There are some other Q's floating your way that I'd love to hear answers to.

HP disarming makes sense to me via expelliarmus. If mtam confirms he disarmed charm/MP on those nights id say it fairly clears them.

As far as Mudpuppy, I want to hear from Mtam on whether he is casting expelliarmus before I jump to vote him.

Yes ive been casting it every night I understand what you are saying

I understand what you are saying too... squat.

And how exactly does it work? Who did you cast it on last night?

And how does that kill me

Mtamburini full claim please.

Can you full claim Mtam?

And what more do you want to know

Seriously, you gonna start your games again??? Just claim and answer the questions. Spells, actions, targets, results, kill Storr how?.... etc.

[Endgame422]

Going out of country until sunday.
Kinda agree about dazzas neat reason to never get NKd.
I was going to leave my vote with MP but instead VOTE DAZZA
Ive been suspicious of him before for defending rage/pix but i think his flip will give us plenty of information at the very least.
See you all sunday.

[StorrZerg]

Can you full claim Mtam?

And what more do you want to know

Standard claim stuff.

What spell or spells you have
who you used it on each night and why

[Streaker]

I really do feel we should look into at least a couple of the VT claims before going to night. I also want to look back on Dazza personally since I have been kind of mixed about him with an early scum read and then a town vibe. Aage and Hotshot are the VT claims that stand out to me.

What do you think of my case on Mudpuppy? You gonna ignore that he claimed a counter to 2 specific spells, of which 1 is the town vig? After which he came back to his claim and is now saying he might be able to stop more powers?

Really really reallllly dislike Mtam. He had a very active D1, and I don't feel he has done anything after that. Once he claimed HP he just went out of the game it feels. I don't understand what is so difficult about fullclaiming at this point. Continuing his stalling game on D5 makes no sense for a town player.

[strike wolf]

Here's how I see it, we know there is another kill out there otherwise Mets wouldn't have died N2. We don't officially know that it is the Cruciatus curse and if it is why Marashu hasn't died. We know that Marashu claims that he has been hit by the Cruciatus curse twice now and hasn't died but Mets claimed to have been hit by it N1. We know that Mud claims that his wand is missing (with both charm and Mtam seeming to corroborate that there is a disarmer who takes away wands (MTam claiming to be said character) this seems pretty much confirmed). Both Charm and Mud seem to be under the impression that their wand was given to someone else. MTam also hints that Storr should have received some kind of gift N1 which would suggest that the wand is indeed given to someone else when it's taken away. What we don't know is whether Mudpuppy is telling the truth about his role or not (and it is very possible that the person who got his wand is quietly pushing the lynch or maybe another mafia keeping it quiet regardless if Mud is mafia or town). Mud claims that sectum Sempra (a known killing role) and Cruciatus (a suggested poisoning or role block type ability) are the abilities he can protect against. I am tempted to believe that Cruciatus is the poisoning ability with Mets' death and how it happened. Even if that is true though Mud could simply be going off the knowledge that Cruciatus kills to undermine Marashu and/or make his role more believable if/when another player dies from Cruciatus. So right now, I am suspect of Mudpuppy but he would not be my number one suspect right now and thus I want to look into other people.

The biggest question I have is why hasn't Marashu died? Assuming he isn't lying scum (Mudpuppy telling the truth would actually make him more likely to be town as there could be someone out there who has been targeting him and protecting him), he would have to have either been protected or the Cruciatus curse isn't a poison ability and if it isn't, what killed Mets N2?

We are probably not at Mylo/Lylo yet but we are close enough that we should want to make sure we get a good lynch in today so that we aren't forced into a situation where we have to lynch 4 or 5 straight mafia on consecutive days to win. I also believe who Mtam targeted for disarming N1 and N4 can be crucial in proving who might be lying about a VT and who might be telling the truth (Assuming that MTam gives the wand to a new player after disarming them, he would have either had to have been role blocked N1 or the player he targeted for disarment did not have a wand). MTam's testimony will not prove that the person is Vt (especially if mafia don't have set abilities and just trade around a few powers every night) but it gives some evidence in that direction.

[Streaker]

strike stop dodging and take a stand. You came out previous day saying you'd be making a huge case on Tonka, which never happened. You ended up wagoning if i'm not mistaken.

Now with the massclaim you refuse to look into the actual claims, while I have clearly showed that MP is very likely lying.
Instead you write a wall of text that is basicly just a recap of events and claims.

You can think about Mars not dying all you want, but I don't we can figure out an answer. Actually if you really are interested in Mars being saved from poison, you should be double interested in MP's claim.

The only thing that makes sense in your post is that Mtam needs to claim about the disarming and see if we can catch another liar like that.
But you seem to be waiting for this. In one of your previous posts you said you want to look into the VT claims, but you are just sitting back and waiting...

Not even an opinion on Mitch?
Heh actually I just noticed... Mtam is sheeping MadMitch

[strike wolf]

strike stop dodging and take a stand. You came out previous day saying you'd be making a huge case on Tonka, which never happened. You ended up wagoning if i'm not mistaken.

Now with the massclaim you refuse to look into the actual claims, while I have clearly showed that MP is very likely lying.
Instead you write a wall of text that is basicly just a recap of events and claims.

You can think about Mars not dying all you want, but I don't we can figure out an answer. Actually if you really are interested in Mars being saved from poison, you should be double interested in MP's claim.

The only thing that makes sense in your post is that Mtam needs to claim about the disarming and see if we can catch another liar like that.
But you seem to be waiting for this. In one of your previous posts you said you want to look into the VT claims, but you are just sitting back and waiting...

Not even an opinion on Mitch?
Heh actually I just noticed... Mtam is sheeping MadMitch

I didn't give you a recap. I gave you reasons why Mudpuppy could be telling the truth and ended with that I find there's enough reasonable doubt on that front to warrant looking at other people right now. I again pressured Mtam to step up to the plate (as i have been doing for longer than anyone else today) to say who he targeted as to give a clearer idea on who might be telling the truth about being a VT. I find little reason to join the let's lynch Mitch or Mudpuppy pushes when I believe that we should be looking at more than one or two cases, I want to get a look at several. I am tempted to say that Mitch is scum. Even ignoring his play which is annoying A**hole at best. Why was there the secret vote on him? If mafia wanted to lynch him, why not let the case build more and then sneak the secret vote in on the end? Placing it before the lynch strikes me as an intentional placement to dissuade the wagon.

[Streaker]

Perhaps the tone of my post gave the wrong impression. You didn't push your case yesterday, even though you said multiple times you would, and now today you want to look at other things then what is being discussed, yet you don't push anything.

@mitch your last post really is the final drop for me. In your next post you WILL claim every single fucking action your character possesses, as well as what you used, on whom, and on which night AND what result it gave. Anything less is unacceptable. You are confusing the f*ck out of us right now (actually all game long), and you have not done ANYTHING at all to help.

[aage]

Right now Mitch and Mudpuppy look like a very likely scum duo and I'll definitely want to lynch one of them today. Considering Mudpuppy lost his wand, it might make sense to lynch Mitch first. Strike's argument about the secret vote is kind of wifom, I think. Scum could have placed it to speed up the lynch, or they could have placed it to make it look like Mitch is actually town. I think it's the latter.
Dazza could be Voldemort I guess. We've had a town watcher and a town 'follower', Sybil isn't really a main character in the story so giving her a power role is odd, and the power itself is pretty weird. As I see it, it's basically a blackmail for anyone trying to kill him (like the vengeful townie role). Mtam's argument makes sense in that way. I still think either Mitch or Mud is the better lynch at the moment, though.

Tonka why do you want a full claim from Mtam? Do you think he's scum?

[aage]

Being able to stop a vigi shot but not the mafia night kill is very unlikely tbh.

So, your logic is that only town can use a killing spell? That's like saying only a vig can have a gun in a standard game.

You continue your sketchiness. I can't prove anything but you are scum in my book.

No, that's not what I said. Town using a killing power is fine, that's what vigs are for. Doctors are normally able to stop any kill power from killing their target, regardless of whether it's a vigilante shot or a mafia night kill.

My logic is that a protective role protects the town from mafia. You claimed a role that protects the target against a vig kill, but not against the mafia kill. First of all, what is the point of blocking a vig kill? Second of all, what would be the point of your role if you can't block the mafia kill? That is why it is unlikely and that is why it is suspect.

[MudPuppy]

What do you think of my case on Mudpuppy? You gonna ignore that he claimed a counter to 2 specific spells, of which 1 is the town vig? After which he came back to his claim and is now saying he might be able to stop more powers?

No, I am NOT saying I can stop more powers... you're either spinning lies or just need to greatly improve your reading comprehension skills. I'm saying I can stop multiple people with the same evil power... alas, the only one with Sectumsempra that we've confirmed is a Townie thx to some really bad lynches... but I'm nearly certain that Severus wasn't the only one at Hogwarts skilled in that particular dark art.

Why are you pushing yet another bad lynch with fallacies (Cruciatus doesn't kill - WRONG!) and misstatements (I've claimed I might be able to stop more powers - WRONG!)???

[MudPuppy]

Being able to stop a vigi shot but not the mafia night kill is very unlikely tbh.

So, your logic is that only town can use a killing spell? That's like saying only a vig can have a gun in a standard game.

You continue your sketchiness. I can't prove anything but you are scum in my book.

No, that's not what I said. Town using a killing power is fine, that's what vigs are for. Doctors are normally able to stop any kill power from killing their target, regardless of whether it's a vigilante shot or a mafia night kill.

My logic is that a protective role protects the town from mafia. You claimed a role that protects the target against a vig kill, but not against the mafia kill. First of all, what is the point of blocking a vig kill? Second of all, what would be the point of your role if you can't block the mafia kill? That is why it is unlikely and that is why it is suspect.

That is exactly what you said... and just reconfirmed. You are concluding that because town was caught with a gun (sectumsempra) and scum hasn't that no scum could have that particular model of gun.

I have not claimed a role that fails to protect against a mafia kill... you've failed to acknowledge (or more likely chosen to ignore) the likelihood that mafia could be skilled in the use of this particular killing spell.

I've suspected you since you lied about your reasons for voting Storr on D1 and your scummy play continues: Vote aage

[StorrZerg]

where did aage lie?

[MudPuppy]

where did aage lie?

My case wasn't strong enough to gain traction at the time but I continued to suspect him. Here's what I observed D1:

Right now my biggest scum read is aage. He has participated quite a bit and has some good posts along the way, aside from my dislike of him pushing deg so hard. But his early post explaining his vote on Storr really jumped out at me:

My reasoning behind voting Storr is more based on fast-paced mafia logic than forum mafia logic. I've played Town of Salem a lot lately, and day one survivor claims always end up being serial killers, arsonists, godfathers, witches or werewolves.

That sounded like a decent read at first glance... his prior experience with D1 survivor claims being scum fit Storr's scenario perfectly.... Except that's NOT his reason for voting Storr. His vote for Storr was clearly a joke vote. It happened long before Storr claimed. It happened before Storr got rolling on his Argus impersonation (aside from one comment: "i could care less for children, harsher punishments are what is needed.") It happened in the very same post aage used to confirm his role!!!:

Confirm that I read and understand my role

Vote Storr for no apparent reason.

I'm sure aage willl try to explain the timing away by saying something like he initially voted for Storr as a joke but left his vote on once it became clear how scummy he looked, etc. I'm not buying it. With 24 players, he had ~4% chance of his joke vote evolving into the guy he had the biggest scum read on. I believe he is Mafia and was just spouting whatever crap he could come up with to justify his vote at the time.

Vote aage

[virus90]

mudpuppy voting aage instead of for instance mitch is kind of a clear sign dont you guys think?

[Streaker]

What do you think of my case on Mudpuppy? You gonna ignore that he claimed a counter to 2 specific spells, of which 1 is the town vig? After which he came back to his claim and is now saying he might be able to stop more powers?

No, I am NOT saying I can stop more powers... you're either spinning lies or just need to greatly improve your reading comprehension skills. I'm saying I can stop multiple people with the same evil power... alas, the only one with Sectumsempra that we've confirmed is a Townie thx to some really bad lynches... but I'm nearly certain that Severus wasn't the only one at Hogwarts skilled in that particular dark art.

Why are you pushing yet another bad lynch with fallacies (Cruciatus doesn't kill - WRONG!) and misstatements (I've claimed I might be able to stop more powers - WRONG!)???

Reading comprehension skills? Ok.

-Fact: you pushed for mass claim starting D5.
-Fact: this is your claim:

Madam Pomfrey, school nurse, here. My alignment is Town. I can cast Episkey to cure certain ailments.
I've, however, misplaced my wand. If you have accidentally borrowed it, please return to me ASAP.

Someone pushing mass claim, but then only half-claims? It takes another day before you bring up your actions.
Oh yes, you also lost your wand... Not pushing this but rather convenient. This is actually why Mtam has to claim his disarm-spell if he even has it.

-Fact: I asked specifics about your power, and you replied very clearly:

Did Mudpuppy ever claim what exactly he can cure?

Episkey cures folks who have had the cruciatus curse or sectumsempra cast upon them.

Cruciatus and sectumsempra. Specifically those 2. Since you also confirm it's not just flavour, I must assume that it is in your role PM. This implies that it is in fact limited to these 2 spells. You keep dodging and saying that there are possible other 'bad' spells out there.

-Fact: You confirmed this yourself:

How do you know you can cure those spells.

Same way you know you're Filch... or whoever your role PM said you were.

How do you know you can cure those spells.

Same way you know you're Filch... or whoever your role PM said you were.

You are claiming to have known what bad spells are in the game from the start.

No... I'm claiming to have known from the start the two bad spells I can cure... I'd wager those aren't the only bad spells in the game.

-Fact: other spells in the game are irrelevant to your claim. Don't bring this up as a defense.
-Fact: Sectumsepra was the town vig power. There has been 0,0000000 evidence, or even a remote hint that there is another killing power in the game (confirmed night kill, and some kind of poison). If you truly believe this is possible, then it also becomes a possibility that several others can, for instance, cast Protego. But unlike Protego, which was a 'common' spell, Sectumsepra was only known by 2 characters.

It seems like a huge stretch now arguing there is possibly another character that can cast Sectumsepra.

-Not a fact but something to consider: how likely is it that a town power exists, that specifically counters the town vig? Even if it is not limited to this.

-Semi-fact: we know that mafia have a NK. In scene flavour it is described as bodies lying 'calm and motionless'. This is a pretty clear reference to the Avada Kedavra curse. If mafia had Sectumsepra at their disposal, we would have most likely seen it by now.

There are only 2 points that I can give you: pushing Mtam and saying that Crucio is still possibly the poison.

FP'd by MP and virus

[Streaker]

mudpuppy voting aage instead of for instance mitch is kind of a clear sign dont you guys think?

WIFOM, much like the vote of wolf that was placed on the early-mid part of the wagon on Mitch.
You truly believe that statement clears Mud of my charges against him?