Kindergarten Mafia - Game over - Town wins!

[MountainLion]

I should have been more clear in my original post, me thinks.

I only chose Clive as the one to make the investigation on Animo because of the latter's 'not as smart as your average rock' status. Clive's at least been around the block a few times, this is Animo's like third game so I tend to give Clive the benefit of the doubt here with Animo seeming more scummy to me then Clive, in this particular situation. Backtracking and not fully expanding on a thought are 2 different things...

I'm only suggesting that we don't lynch based SOLELY on a counterclaim. I don't know about you scummers but I'd hate to see a cop lynched on a fake counter... I don't care which 'cop' investigates who I just think we shouldn't lynch either until at least tomorrow so we can get a look at some investigation results first and not potentially waste our perhaps only cop.

So you chose Clive to make the investigation because he's more experienced? What does experience have to do with simply typing the words "I would like to investigate so-and-so"? Also if Clive is a better player than wouldn't he act less scummy than an inexperienced player such as animorph?

I keep my FOS on kalish because even though you say you're just suggesting to not lynch based on counterclaim (which I agree is a good thing), you did openly suggest what the cops and docs should do, which I see as scummy because we don't want the mafia to know what our town power roles are doing. It will only help them.

I'm still suspicious of both, but at this point I tend to think they are both cops...one sane and one naive. If one was insane, and we found out their sanities, that may be too one sided for the town in a game this size because an insane cop who knows they're insane is as useful as a real cop. Clive is a kid who "watched kindergarden cop" while animorph "has a badge." It's one thing to have a badge, and another to know what they're doing. Perhaps Clive is the real cop because he's a kid who knows how a cop acts, while animorph is a kid who thinks he knows what he's doing just because he has a badge.

On second thought as I'm typing this maybe if a kid has a badge, that is more official than a kid who thinks he can be a cop just because he saw a movie.

Either way, they're both off the hook for today unless something crazy happens in my book.

On to a new direction...

unvote I'll wait untill we get some answers (or a deadline is somehow set) to lynch Clive if he's still on the choping block.

This sounds like you are just going to vote for the person with the most votes if and when a deadline is set. Fos Animo

I agree with your suspicion militant, however animorph is noobish and will be given another day to make sense of things. I think you've been posting just enough to be in the game, but not saying much. Also you have done a lot more FOS'ing than voting. Why is that? Does militant FOS a lot in other games? I admit this is a bit of a hunch, but so be it.

Vote militant

[Sierra_Leon]

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Vote count

Clive - 4 (ga7, Skoffin, animorpherv1, sam_levi_11)
mr. incrediball - 1 (kalishnikov)
animorpherv1 - 1 (Clive)
militant - 1 (MountainLion)

Not voting: lord voldemort, nagerous, firth4eva, militant, mr. incrediball

With 12 alive, it takes 7 votes to lynch.

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[militant]

On to a new direction...

unvote I'll wait untill we get some answers (or a deadline is somehow set) to lynch Clive if he's still on the choping block.

This sounds like you are just going to vote for the person with the most votes if and when a deadline is set. Fos Animo

I agree with your suspicion militant, however animorph is noobish and will be given another day to make sense of things. I think you've been posting just enough to be in the game, but not saying much. Also you have done a lot more FOS'ing than voting. Why is that? Does militant FOS a lot in other games? I admit this is a bit of a hunch, but so be it.

Vote militant

I do tend to Fos more than I vote, but in this case, it is evident animo is a n00b, (no offence) and I think he made this mistake becasue of that, not intentionally, if you get what I am saying, So I dont think it merit's a vote. That is why I only Fos'ed him.

[firth4eva]

Also, Clive if you were the real cop and doubted animoprh's claim why the hell did you not check him out rather than suddenly assuming he must be mafia on day 2.

He claimed my role so I already know he's scum I don't need to check him.

Bingo. That's the statement that makes me think you are scum most now.

Unvote

Lovo and firth should get in on this.

Hey, I've been busy.

[firth4eva]

vote clive

[nagerous]

Vote lord voldemort.

I'd rather test clive's reliability/sanity by following this lynch.

[Clive]

Vote lord voldemort.

I'd rather test clive's reliability/sanity by following this lynch.

Wtf? Lynch my innocent result?

I agreed largely with what ML said.

Best lynch, if not animo, has to be someone on my wagon.

[nagerous]

Animo is either sane or naive as shown by his investigation. That means theres abig chance you might be an insane cop, my theory makes sense in my eyes and thats where my vote is staying regardless of what everyone else thinks. I remember last time we were in a similar situation, braveheart with talapus and lsu battling out over cop claims, no-one listened to me and I was right.

[Clive]

Yeh but animo has given his result differently to me, so you know one of us is scum.

[lord voldemort]

Vote lord voldemort.

I'd rather test clive's reliability/sanity by following this lynch.

id rather u didnt. i think its more likely one of them to be scum on a fake claim than the 2 different sanity's
it is a vanilla game after all.
ill eat my dinner and comment on who i think is more scum...

[ga7]

Hmm. Looking at the claims the possibility of Clive being insane if he's telling the truth kinda makes sense. Nag's way seems the most sensible, though if Lovo is scum I'll have a hard time believing Clive to be an insane cop instead of scum as he seems so adamant in defending his "innocent" result even though he pointed out he didn't know his sanity.
Unvote Vote Lovo

[militant]

Hmm. Looking at the claims the possibility of Clive being insane if he's telling the truth kinda makes sense. Nag's way seems the most sensible, though if Lovo is scum I'll have a hard time believing Clive to be an insane cop instead of scum as he seems so adamant in defending his "innocent" result even though he pointed out he didn't know his sanity.
Unvote Vote Lovo

That is good logic, If lovo is scum, I agree we should lynch Clive. Unvote? Vote LoVo

[Clive]

No, the reason this is stupid is because when I die, which will obviously be soon, it can confirm Lovo either way, it's a waste if he's innocent. If i'm naive well then it's meaningless, and says nothing.

[firth4eva]

unvote vote lovo
I still believe Clive is also scum.

[lord voldemort]

so firth because you beleive clive is scum you are gonna lynch me.
this makes no sense at all

[ga7]

The way Clive has acted about it, it makes sense to me. Of course this could be a huge WIFOM Clive is pulling but considering the benefit from the info gained, the fact you pretty much submarined/had little input till now... I don't see any drawbacks right now.

[MountainLion]

so firth because you beleive clive is scum you are gonna lynch me.
this makes no sense at all

That doesn't make sense...care to explain Firth?

[firth4eva]

It was Clive's attempt as scum to clear his scum buddy lovo.

[lord voldemort]

It was Clive's attempt as scum to clear his scum buddy lovo.

i dont think anyone is that stupid to be honest.
scum tying themselves together is more likely to be more subtle
not as forthright as clive is

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Vote count

lord voldemort - 4 (nagerous, ga7, militant, firth4eva)
Clive - 3 (Skoffin, animorpherv1, sam_levi_11)
mr. incrediball - 1 (kalishnikov)
animorpherv1 - 1 (Clive)
militant - 1 (MountainLion)

Not voting: mr. incrediball

With 12 alive, it takes 7 votes to lynch.

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[mr. incrediball]

i'm the only one not voting? lol!


anyhoo, Clive still seems uber-scummy to me, but then again, animo could be lying.

i'd rather test out his possible sanity/scumminess by lynching LoVo.


vote LoVo

HOS Clive

FOS animo.

[firth4eva]

unvote vote clive

[animorpherv1]

I'm not gonna do anything untill we get a claim by LoVo.

[Skoffin]

Take note that this silly jelly bean forgot what she was saying as she was about to write it, thus.. erm

Anyway. errh I believe both of 'em are town, though I'm not sure lynching lovo is the way to go about it. As both are claimed cops one is surely to die in the night, thus giving us a better idea of the other. Effectively determining both them and lovo. If we lynch lovo and Clive turns out to be sane then we've wasted both a night action of his and a lynch.
And if Clive were scum I highly doubt the first person he'd claim to investigate would be a fellow scum buddy.
Though, I am unsure as to where we should go from here
Though I would like to hear from Lovo.

[MountainLion]

I'm still suspicious of both, but at this point I tend to think they are both cops...one sane and one naive. If one was insane, and we found out their sanities, that may be too one sided for the town in a game this size because an insane cop who knows they're insane is as useful as a real cop.

Do the rest of you agree or disagree that we are much more likely (if there are 2 town cops) to have one be naive rather than insane?

Because if that's true, let's think this through...

If lovo comes up mafia, then Clive could be an insane town cop, but is that likely? He could be mafia, but would he link himself with fellow scum? Possibly. Either way we've lynched lovo who was mafia.

If lovo comes up town, then Clive could be a sane OR naive town cop, which doesn't tell us his true cop role unless his next investigation or animorph's helps us in some way which may be a slim chance, but either way it's a little more info to work with, but is it really enough? Clive could still be mafia saying that lovo is town because he is.

The thing is if we knew if there was a naive or insane cop, then that would narrow down the possibilities a bit and make for less confusion. So I ask again, do the rest of you agree or disagree that we are much more likely (if there are 2 town cops) to have one be naive rather than insane?

Even with this question answered, I don't know if this is the right decision (to lynch lovo).

nagerous, could you explain about the time you suggested this in another game and how it was a good idea?