Ragian WINS The Mafiosi Vincent Vega Vengeful game

[jfm10]

unvote Traf

[SoN!c]

Official vote count

Traf (3) : Loose canon, Kongming, homer_jay,
Max (1) : Kingm


With 11 alive it takes 6 to lynch!

[Loose Canon]

So the way I read it is jfm;

Released pressure on Traf somewhat when Traf initially got to 3 votes by voting max.
Released pressure on max by unvoting and switching to Traf.
Released pressure on Traf to claim if forced to buy unvoting Traf, and now presumably switching his vote pressure to either max again or Charle.

It's got me suspicious of jfm.

[Charle]

Ok, I was staying quiet to see what else eveyone else were thinking.

But now there are 4 votes on me. I would not like to make a full claim yet if I can avoid it. but I will say I'm town.

As I said I understood why I got the votes as i clearly said some nonsense for not understanding the Arsonist role so it came as dumb. But I honestly was and still am trying to get real info so we can figure out scum and 3p. Homer J. but speciallly jm1 votes on me are super sus. like jm1 doesn't even say anything.

putting you at L2 makes you speak ..
[color=#FF0000]unvote traf[color=#FF0000]

Now i thought earlier that Max was waiting for that Sonic vigilante kit but somehow I have Charle to be getting it. Can you clear this up for me please Charle?

What I meant earlier was that there could be a possible 3 kills per night. One from scum, one from Arsonist (3P) and one from Vigilante (town), but there was only one kill, meaning either the doc could save the kill from scum, or Arsonist and the role blocker could have pressed the right buttons. Maybe Vigilante held back his power for now until he is sure he will hit scum. We also could have some info from the cop in a way if we are on the wrong route to lynch a known townie. (this also now answer Ragain's question as to why D2 is different, it is because we potentially should have more info than on D1).

[jfm10]

Ok, I was staying quiet to see what else eveyone else were thinking.

But now there are 4 votes on me. I would not like to make a full claim yet if I can avoid it. but I will say I'm town.

As I said I understood why I got the votes as i clearly said some nonsense for not understanding the Arsonist role so it came as dumb. But I honestly was and still am trying to get real info so we can figure out scum and 3p. Homer J. but speciallly jm1 votes on me are super sus. like jm1 doesn't even say anything.

putting you at L2 makes you speak ..
[color=#FF0000]unvote traf[color=#FF0000]

Now i thought earlier that Max was waiting for that Sonic vigilante kit but somehow I have Charle to be getting it. Can you clear this up for me please Charle?

What I meant earlier was that there could be a possible 3 kills per night. One from scum, one from Arsonist (3P) and one from Vigilante (town), but there was only one kill, meaning either the doc could save the kill from scum, or Arsonist and the role blocker could have pressed the right buttons. Maybe Vigilante held back his power for now until he is sure he will hit scum. We also could have some info from the cop in a way if we are on the wrong route to lynch a known townie. (this also now answer Ragain's question as to why D2 is different, it is because we potentially should have more info than on D1).

2 Mafia Goon with altered Role Modifications for balance (the intro could give away some hints or clues on the matter like the "You need to control. Because you know the game surprises you" quote)
1 possible Mafia Traitor
8 Town
1 3P

Please look again Charle
The Sonic kit went to the Mafia Traitor (which somehow I was positive it was Max)
The 3p is the arsonist.
If it is just , a possible , Mafia Traitor ,How did you know he would be a vigilante.

This Mafia Traitor is the cops buddy and no doubt win condition of living with either side at the end .
I am personally alright with that.

[jfm10]

So the way I read it is jfm;

Released pressure on Traf somewhat when Traf initially got to 3 votes by voting max.
Released pressure on max by unvoting and switching to Traf.
Released pressure on Traf to claim if forced to buy unvoting Traf, and now presumably switching his vote pressure to either max again or Charle.

It's got me suspicious of jfm.

I am alright with that. Since you chat

2 Mafia Goon with altered Role Modifications for balance (the intro could give away some hints or clues on the matter like the "You need to control. Because you know the game surprises you" quote)
1 possible Mafia Traitor
8 Town
1 3P

Seriously , do you see an arsonist and vigilante in this setup off the bat?

[Loose Canon]

JFM I wouldn't expect to have seen an arsonist or vigilante at this point in the game.

With no publicly available evidence I'm more interested in searching for Mafia than Arsonist.

Having said that Traf could be Mafia or Arsonist - I'm suspicious of Traf (my total suspicion quotient is highest on Traf )
The other player I'm now suspecting might be Arsonist is you.
I'm confused by Max (but I'm leaning towards waiting and seeing what might emerge before thinking of voting Max)
Charle has attracted a fair bit of suspicion but I'm neutral on Charle because I reckon he's maybe more reticent to make moves/take charge in this game following Rags game.
The player I have most pure mafia suspicion on is Strike right now.

I think Mafia if just 2 (particularly without a traitor) would have some compensating and confusing powers.
The box of tricks makes me think if they are given out (like now) could be compensation for a mafia recruit of a traitor.
But then they could be being given out by say Max or any player without any info so could have been given out to mafia.

Going back to Traf - I'm inclined to think a fake claim would be found out in what I'm understanding this set up to be.
So I think I want him to be called upon to claim. His I will claim if forced to line is indistinguishable from a bluff.

[strike wolf]

unvote Traf

What info did Traf give that's worth unvoting for though? Rag is right. If we're all going to be satisfied to unvote from L2 when a player declares themselves town without any other evidence then scum don't have a reason to feel pressure from a lynch bandwagon.

[strike wolf]

Vote Traf The rules of L2 claiming must be respected.

[jfm10]

unvote Traf

What info did Traf give that's worth unvoting for though? Rag is right. If we're all going to be satisfied to unvote from L2 when a player declares themselves town without any other evidence then scum don't have a reason to feel pressure from a lynch bandwagon.

I would only accept accept an answer now because technically he is at L! .( my vote not showing).

[Ragian]

@traf, L-2 is the players asking you to claim. All info given to Town will also go to scum. Heck, they already know who is town and who is not.

@jfm, what are you saying about your vote?

@charle, we simply just disagree. With no lynch D1, we have no more info D2 as a collective. Sure, an investigative role could have hit scum, but it's unlikely. Just like a D1 lynch.

I find traf, charle, and homer suspicious right now. I don't like (but there might be real life reasons for it) the lack of participation from a fair few players. Get in here, peeps. Participation is key.

I think Loose is town, and I think jfm is confusing.

[SoN!c]

Official vote count

Traf (4) : Loose canon, Kongming, homer_jay, strike wolf
Max (1) : Kingm



With 11 alive it takes 6 to lynch!

Traf is at L-2



PS: the auto-prime mechanic was paused due to easter holidays. It's turned back on (today at 00.00 hours).

[jfm10]

@traf, L-2 is the players asking you to claim. All info given to Town will also go to scum. Heck, they already know who is town and who is not.

@jfm, what are you saying about your vote?

@charle, we simply just disagree. With no lynch D1, we have no more info D2 as a collective. Sure, an investigative role could have hit scum, but it's unlikely. Just like a D1 lynch.

I find traf, charle, and homer suspicious right now. I don't like (but there might be real life reasons for it) the lack of participation from a fair few players. Get in here, peeps. Participation is key.

I think Loose is town, and I think jfm is confusing.

I am saying now is the time to spill it or my vote goes back on him if needed.

[SoN!c]

MOD ANNOUNCEMENT:

Due to the current severe unstable state of the website (super heavy lag on the server-side for more then 8 hours now apparently) the auto-prime mechanic is paused again, this time with full reset.

[Ragian]

[Ragian]

If I were Son!c in anyone else's game, I'd start guessing at why there's a reset of the priming thing. Is he forced to prime the scum team, important town roles, or, ironically, the arsonist?

*insert gif with tinfoil hat*

[Extreme Ways]

If I were Son!c in anyone else's game, I'd start guessing at why there's a reset of the priming thing. Is he forced to prime the scum team, important town roles, or, ironically, the arsonist?

*insert gif with tinfoil hat*

Inserting gif on Rag's request:

[SoN!c]

EXTRA CLARIFICATION: The "full reset": only applies to the hours of the countdown timer. Everybody who is already primed stays primed ofcourse.

[Devante]

Traf if you have info to share now is the time

[TrafalgarLaw01]

I'll comment later a bit more busy day. Do not lynch me yet. If people want me to claim I'll claim as my role is not really that good, but first I'll make one comment regarding the suspisious on me, but will do it in a couple of hours.

[TrafalgarLaw01]

Ok, so the votes on me are mainly for my first comment on D2

Hmmm interesting.

Well Firefighter that is not the worst role to lose as town as the arsonist can also burn mafia and mostlikely would have not got any info, so not bad night overall...spacially cause there was jsut 1 dead, that means that the arsonist did not get a kill so either he decided not to move, which does not make much sense as a 3P would like to get player count low asap or he was blocked (Maybe the Jailkeeper). Not sure if there are other roles that block actions in this setting.

And I have acknolodged that I get why got voted for this I though Arsonist killed in the same night so I was happy to find we only had 1 dead and not a super important role. But I was ofc wrong and people either took it as if i was trying to play fool with the arsonist role or completly trying to misguide town. Rag was trying to do some questions to see if he get any info so all good there. Charle seemed to atually agree with my early toughts. But then comes Loose and Kong

There's an element of Charle playing dumb here re the arsonist.

And there's an element of Traf playing dumb but also helpful here re the arsonist.

To me Trafs play is the more suspect.

I said I was probably going to vote Strike early on D2 as a potshot on a possible mafia.
I'm thinking re Strike would he really go tit for tat N1 kill on EW - or would other players be more likely to go for EW N1 - with the added bonus if fingers pointed at Strike re an EW kill.

I've gone a bit cooler on Strike and a bit warmer on Traf as a potshot possible mafia.

vote Traf

I find Traf's opening post D2 to be very strange. He clearly has some level of knowledge about arsonist as a role given his experience, the information given and discussed this game, and that he's familiar with Docs not saving Arsonist kills. Yet, he gets the first post of the day and immediately sets the narrative that because the arsonist didn't get a kill they therefore didn't move or must have been blocked? Ignoring or conveniently "forgetting" the fact that the entire mechanic of the arsonist is setting up delayed kills? It seems far more likely that the arsonist simply used the night to prime more people to setup for a future night mass killing. And your reasoning of arsonist wanting quick early kills doesn't hold water either. The 3P wants to kill everyone and be the last one standing as fast as possible yes, but priming four people and killing them all on the fifth night takes a lot fewer nights than priming one killing one priming one killing one and so on. Hiding among 10 people to avoid crossfire until you can kill a whole group is also a lot easier and safer than being one of 4 left and dying to mafia or town lynch while you still need two full nights to set back up a primed and ignitable target.

Vote Traf

Loose tends to funnel and I know there is little that I can say to change his mind. But I'll try anyway. he points I'm mafia.
Then kong makes a uch more elaborate comment and actually made me realized how the arsonist worked and realized my mistake so i totally got why I was voted and how it escalated from there.

I have said it was a honest mistake I did not read all the psot in D1, cause I usually do not find them very suefull but tend to go abck in reading what people said later on.

So now, for argument's sake let's sake I'm mafia. Why would I go and say something like what I said.
1). I am trying to misguide town and make up something to see if I can get some info maybe, but with such a silly comment that cannot be defended in any way and would just be handing myself.
2). Act stupid trying to just comemnt and see how the flow goes although again with sucha fool statement that would bring heat to me.

However I see it it makes no sense and if I were mafia I think i would not go and try to convice with such a silly statement.
That being said. I get Loose and Kong votes.

But Homer, jm1 and Strike are quite suspicious. Some might just want to get a claim some might be trying to get a lynch on me going.
As said before I'd prefer not to claim. But if I have to I will, I think it's giving scum info even if my role as stated before I consider is not that good.

[Ragian]

Thanks, EW <3

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You still need to claim, traf. You're at L-2. Even if you'd prefer not to. Unwritten rule is to claim at L-2. If not, someone might put you at L-1 and all sorts of trouble may arise.

That said, I feel you on homer.

[Charle]

I actually believe Traf, but in the same sentence I also agree with Ragian, Traf you should claim. You already said that your role is not so important, but at least it is not Vanilla, so scum now already know it is a PR of some sort. For this reason IMHO I think town can benefit more than scum at the moment with your claim?

[jfm10]

I want to say I accept his claim and if any one wants to contest it now would be the time.
On N1 the arsonist had a chance to oil and ignite for a possible 3rd kill. ( Max is/was oiled )
That's why I am dumb-founded on a vigilant as well.