[INTERMEDIATE]Enemy of My Enemy - Archive please

[TimWoodbury]

It's alright, dakky. They got this. We're dead in the water and there is no way around it. There's no point in fighting it so you might as well lie down your sword and join me in the grave. We'll see if the werewolves can pull this off. They'll have three nights of killing before the town will get around to hunting the last one down.

I'm just going to say that I'm rooting for the werewolves since the mafia are done for.

i really hope LSU and EPI didnt just try pulling the same stunt i seriously hope town aint stupid enough to think that skum would out there own partners because 1 peron on the team was set to die

[TimWoodbury]

dont worry akky your not the only one so that basically confirms you as town in my book.

[LSU Tiger Josh]

It's so stupid that it's brillant partner. no one would ever suspect it getting done this early you'll be considered town for the rest of the time. P.S. Mitch is epitaph's partner. BTW town if you'll do my lynch tomorrow, tonight I will investigate either Mitch or streaker depending on who yall want.

Epitaph's potential partners on my list from most likely to least likely:
Mitch
Streaker
mtam
ragian
dakky
belly
hot shot
tim

[TimWoodbury]

It's so stupid that it's brillant partner. no one would ever suspect it getting done this early you'll be considered town for the rest of the time. P.S. Mitch is epitaph's partner. BTW town if you'll do my lynch tomorrow, tonight I will investigate either Mitch or streaker depending on who yall want.

Epitaph's potential partners on my list from most likely to least likely:
Mitch
Streaker
mtam
ragian
dakky
belly
hot shot
tim

i figured this would happen when i gave my dream people but wasnt expecting for both people i recived info on to try to bus someone. though what makes you think Mitch is epis partner? so since both LSU and epi have more or less confirmed they are anti town can yall please explain why yall both choose me to recive the info??

[Ragian]

I don't know if we can really believe anything either of them is saying.

It ends in OMGUS, doesn't it? Obviously, neither dakky nor tim are epi's and LSU's partners given what just went down. The problem is only that it is so blatantly obvious that it might work out as reverse psychology. I don't think so, though.

@LSU, why should we believe that you're the seer/oracle?

[MrBellyBangBang]

Tim kill Epi tonight if I'm lynched or kill dakky if epi is lynched. Either way I'm dead by tomorrow. Good game all.

dude dont you dare try to pull this last second BS you know as well as i know that im not your partner... if i was your partner then why d h3ll would i have outed you???? like really i out you you rat on me i get killed seriouly i hope town dont really bealive this

If it is true they're truly retarded for saying it, I think we have to assume that the scum didn't mess up and that this is part of their plan now that they've been outed.

I don't know if we can really believe anything either of them is saying.

It ends in OMGUS, doesn't it? Obviously, neither dakky nor tim are epi's and LSU's partners given what just went down. The problem is only that it is so blatantly obvious that it might work out as reverse psychology. I don't think so, though.

@LSU, why should we believe that you're the seer/oracle?

Not listening to them would be a misstake, and believing them would also be a misstake. I think we keep in mind what they say is likely bullshit and try to figure out why they're saying what they're saying and who on the unconfirmed town side agrees with them, and most importantly why that person does so.
They just tried to throw dakky under the bus, likely because they saw him struggling to make sense with his poor FOS'es and overanalyzing of posts, but it could also be that they figured he had messed up so bad that the only way they saw him not getting lynched was using reverse psychology. I'm leaning towards the former as it seems more likely, and the more rational thing to do. However, Dakky still needs to start making sense and justify his FOS'es better.
Throwing Tim under the bus makes a lot of sense, he's given valuable information and the only way to undue that is to discredit him, this could all be a eloquent trap set up by them but if it is, honestly they're too good for us, lol. I think operating under the assumption that TIm is town is the safe thing to do, as we will always know what to do the next day if it turns out to be wrong.

[madmitch]

[quote="LSU Tiger Josh"]It's so stupid that it's brillant partner. no one would ever suspect it getting done this early you'll be considered town for the rest of the time. P.S. Mitch is epitaph's partner. BTW town if you'll do my lynch tomorrow, tonight I will investigate either Mitch or streaker depending on who yall want. WOW talking about trying to save your ass! I am nobody's partner, nice try LSU , I knew my gut feeling was right about you .

[LSU Tiger Josh]

@LSU, why should we believe that you're the seer/oracle?

Only way Tim and I have a chance to win is to kill the Epitaph and his partner. By staying around one more night you are still getting a good lynch on epitaph while either getting who I believe is his partner in crime lynched or at worse another townie cleared. I already acknowledge that I will be going down one way or the other, but I still don't want the other side to win.

[LSU Tiger Josh]

It's so stupid that it's brillant partner. no one would ever suspect it getting done this early you'll be considered town for the rest of the time. P.S. Mitch is epitaph's partner. BTW town if you'll do my lynch tomorrow, tonight I will investigate either Mitch or streaker depending on who yall want. WOW talking about trying to save your ass! I am nobody's partner, nice try LSU , I knew my gut feeling was right about you .

Well then you should welcome the investigation result on you if you really have nothing to hide because you still act scummy as hell and throwing shit that doesn't stick.

[MrBellyBangBang]

It's so stupid that it's brillant partner. no one would ever suspect it getting done this early you'll be considered town for the rest of the time. P.S. Mitch is epitaph's partner. BTW town if you'll do my lynch tomorrow, tonight I will investigate either Mitch or streaker depending on who yall want. WOW talking about trying to save your ass! I am nobody's partner, nice try LSU , I knew my gut feeling was right about you .

Well then you should welcome the investigation result on you if you really have nothing to hide because you still act scummy as hell and throwing shit that doesn't stick.

It's not in a townie's best interest to investigate other townies, so if you're a townie you don't want to be investiagted yourself for that very simple reason, it's not ought of fear of the result that a townie doesn't want to be investigated, it's because you don't want an investiagtion to be wasted. That should be pretty obvious, but of course you're grasping for straws at this point.

[Ragian]

Look. Today ends with lynching LSU or epi. No dice there. Either side can offer to investigate whoever, but it's the same offer they can give.

I'm currently debating if I would lynch an oracle/seer over a werewolf/goon. Getting rid of a werewolf/goon rather than an oracle/seer still enables us one more shot at investigating (an investgation, of course, we can't control).

@Tim, did you learn what kind of non-town people these two are? I.e. their roles?

[Marashu]

DAILY VOTE COUNT:
LSU: TimWoodbury, Streaker, madmitch (L-3)
Epitaph1: LSU, dakky (L-4)
Not Voting: Epitaph1, MrBelly, Ragian, HotShot, mtam

Deadline is Tuesday, December 29, 1600CCT. With 10 alive, it takes 6 votes to lynch.

[TimWoodbury]

Look. Today ends with lynching LSU or epi. No dice there. Either side can offer to investigate whoever, but it's the same offer they can give.

I'm currently debating if I would lynch an oracle/seer over a werewolf/goon. Getting rid of a werewolf/goon rather than an oracle/seer still enables us one more shot at investigating (an investgation, of course, we can't control).

@Tim, did you learn what kind of non-town people these two are? I.e. their roles?

i deffinatly dont think were learning anything new on thi just LSU trying to frame me.
@Ragian no i didnt get told what type they was just what they was.

[dakky21]

What I don't understand is why LSU or Epi didn't take a stance and try to defend themselves.
I was thinking of the possibility that say Tim is Goon/Werewolf.
If both Oracle and Seer inspected town, and gave the information to Werewolf and Goon, it would be possible that Tim as a goon/ww made up a list of two townies which suits both factions, but then Epi & LSU would try to defend themselves.

So he is obviously telling the truth.

Now the course of actions is as follow:
D2: today lynch LSU/epi
N2: night 2 town die
D3: tomorrow lynch survivor of LSU/epi
N3: night 2 town die
D4: 2 town left and two mafia, good game for either faction of the mafia, town can't win anymore.

[HotShot53]

What I don't understand is why LSU or Epi didn't take a stance and try to defend themselves.
I was thinking of the possibility that say Tim is Goon/Werewolf.
If both Oracle and Seer inspected town, and gave the information to Werewolf and Goon, it would be possible that Tim as a goon/ww made up a list of two townies which suits both factions, but then Epi & LSU would try to defend themselves.

So he is obviously telling the truth.

Now the course of actions is as follow:
D2: today lynch LSU/epi
N2: night 2 town die
D3: tomorrow lynch survivor of LSU/epi
N3: night 2 town die
D4: 2 town left and two mafia, good game for either faction of the mafia, town can't win anymore.

LSU & Epi knew they were caught, it was kind of pointless arguing anything else, there was 0% chance we weren't going to lynch one or the other. The only thing they can do is try to survive one more night by getting lynched second, and try to throw confusion around to help out their remaining partners.

Your scenario assumes that they only kill town... it's possible for them to kill each other also. If they do so, it gives town a decent chance to win still.

[LSU Tiger Josh]

It's so stupid that it's brillant partner. no one would ever suspect it getting done this early you'll be considered town for the rest of the time. P.S. Mitch is epitaph's partner. BTW town if you'll do my lynch tomorrow, tonight I will investigate either Mitch or streaker depending on who yall want. WOW talking about trying to save your ass! I am nobody's partner, nice try LSU , I knew my gut feeling was right about you .

Well then you should welcome the investigation result on you if you really have nothing to hide because you still act scummy as hell and throwing shit that doesn't stick.

It's not in a townie's best interest to investigate other townies, so if you're a townie you don't want to be investiagted yourself for that very simple reason, it's not ought of fear of the result that a townie doesn't want to be investigated, it's because you don't want an investiagtion to be wasted. That should be pretty obvious, but of course you're grasping for straws at this point.

There is no guaranttee that Mitch is scum. The only thing that I know about Mitch is that he is definitely not my partner(Tim is) so even though we were argueing over something stupid on day 1, it in no way "makes him more clear" only that he isn't on my side. Of the 10 that are alive, 2 are are known scum(epi and me) while that leaves 2 more scum out of the remaining 8. There is a 25% chance that the investigation of Mitch could in fact give us a second scum. If it doesn't then it would increase the chance of a possible random lynch hitting a scum if it actually cleared Mitch. It's a no lose proposition for town since best case it gives another scum worse case you get a confirmed townie. While a townie would prefer to hit scum knowing a surefire townie isn't a bad thing. Any reasonable person could see that it only helps with process of elimination.

[LSU Tiger Josh]

EBWOP

It's so stupid that it's brillant partner. no one would ever suspect it getting done this early you'll be considered town for the rest of the time. P.S. Mitch is epitaph's partner. BTW town if you'll do my lynch tomorrow, tonight I will investigate either Mitch or streaker depending on who yall want. WOW talking about trying to save your ass! I am nobody's partner, nice try LSU , I knew my gut feeling was right about you .

Well then you should welcome the investigation result on you if you really have nothing to hide because you still act scummy as hell and throwing shit that doesn't stick.

It's not in a townie's best interest to investigate other townies, so if you're a townie you don't want to be investiagted yourself for that very simple reason, it's not ought of fear of the result that a townie doesn't want to be investigated, it's because you don't want an investiagtion to be wasted. That should be pretty obvious, but of course you're grasping for straws at this point.

There is no guaranttee that Mitch is not scum. The only thing that I know about Mitch is that he is definitely not my partner(Tim is) so even though we were argueing over something stupid on day 1, it in no way "makes him more clear" only that he isn't on my side. Of the 10 that are alive, 2 are are known scum(epi and me) while that leaves 2 more scum out of the remaining 8. There is a 25% chance that the investigation of Mitch could in fact give us a second scum. If it doesn't then it would increase the chance of a possible random lynch hitting a scum if it actually cleared Mitch. It's a no lose proposition for town since best case it gives another scum worse case you get a confirmed townie. While a townie would prefer to hit scum knowing a surefire townie isn't a bad thing. Any reasonable person could see that it only helps with process of elimination.

[LSU Tiger Josh]

Also as many have remarked on day 1 and in other games, Mitch has a bad habit of always acting scummy so the investigation would clarify that one way or another.

[Epitaph1]

It's alright, dakky. They got this. We're dead in the water and there is no way around it. There's no point in fighting it so you might as well lie down your sword and join me in the grave. We'll see if the werewolves can pull this off. They'll have three nights of killing before the town will get around to hunting the last one down.

I'm just going to say that I'm rooting for the werewolves since the mafia are done for.

Am I the only one who thinks this is a phishing attempt? I am not Epi's mate, and I am certainly not his mafia partner. Really Epi, why me? Why blackmail me?

vote epi

Go blackmail someone else mate... "mate".

Sorry, dude. I just saw that a lot of people were onto you so I figured there was no reason for us to drag it out. Poor form on my part, I'm sorry. I should have let you play it out and not ruin it for you.

LSU, did you know I was scum or did you just want to investigate me for busting your chops so much on D1? I have no idea who your partner is btw.

[LSU Tiger Josh]

LSU, did you know I was scum or did you just want to investigate me for busting your chops so much on D1? I have no idea who your partner is btw.

I actually wanted to off you last night, but thought it would draw too much heat being that you were only one voting for me. I had a feeling you were scum, but figured best compromise to offing you was to get you researched. Told Tim that if you were found scummy then to announce that, but if not he could at some point in the future throw me out under the bus. Being that we are right here, you can see how he took that

[TimWoodbury]

i can see it now we kill LSU epi will keep dakky alive we kill Epi LSU keeps me alive....either way i see me and dakky surviving the night. hopefully the investigations will reveal who the other 2 are.

[MrBellyBangBang]

It's so stupid that it's brillant partner. no one would ever suspect it getting done this early you'll be considered town for the rest of the time. P.S. Mitch is epitaph's partner. BTW town if you'll do my lynch tomorrow, tonight I will investigate either Mitch or streaker depending on who yall want. WOW talking about trying to save your ass! I am nobody's partner, nice try LSU , I knew my gut feeling was right about you .

Well then you should welcome the investigation result on you if you really have nothing to hide because you still act scummy as hell and throwing shit that doesn't stick.

It's not in a townie's best interest to investigate other townies, so if you're a townie you don't want to be investiagted yourself for that very simple reason, it's not ought of fear of the result that a townie doesn't want to be investigated, it's because you don't want an investiagtion to be wasted. That should be pretty obvious, but of course you're grasping for straws at this point.

There is no guaranttee that Mitch is scum. The only thing that I know about Mitch is that he is definitely not my partner(Tim is) so even though we were argueing over something stupid on day 1, it in no way "makes him more clear" only that he isn't on my side. Of the 10 that are alive, 2 are are known scum(epi and me) while that leaves 2 more scum out of the remaining 8. There is a 25% chance that the investigation of Mitch could in fact give us a second scum. If it doesn't then it would increase the chance of a possible random lynch hitting a scum if it actually cleared Mitch. It's a no lose proposition for town since best case it gives another scum worse case you get a confirmed townie. While a townie would prefer to hit scum knowing a surefire townie isn't a bad thing. Any reasonable person could see that it only helps with process of elimination.

I never "cleared" mitch, as I said before I didn't like his early play but him being right about a FOS does look better on his resume than if he was suspicious of a confirmed townie like you were, you asked him why he didn't want to be investigated if he had nothing to hide, the obvious answer to that is if he indeed is town then he wouldn't want to be investigated because he knows that instead of possibly finding a scum, all that investigation would show is that he's not scum. It's much better for town to find scum than it is to find townies. Ask yourself what would have been best for town last nights, getting results that show two scum or results that show two townies, the answer is of course that it's better for town to find scum.

[TimWoodbury]

jut head up folks my posting times are gonna be changing slightly as work moved me from days(yeterday) to nights today. jut wanted to put it here so peeps know why im poting at what would be a odd hour for me

[dakky21]

Sorry, dude. I just saw that a lot of people were onto you so I figured there was no reason for us to drag it out. Poor form on my part, I'm sorry. I should have let you play it out and not ruin it for you.

LSU, did you know I was scum or did you just want to investigate me for busting your chops so much on D1? I have no idea who your partner is btw.

LOL Epi, why would anyone trust you that I am your partner while you are a confirmed scum? I just don't see the connection. If I was your partner, I'd be seriously angry right now, which I think you're trying to provoke by using reverse psychology (you want me to try so hard to defend myself from your accusations so I get lynched because I tried so hard...... not going to work my friend, nice try though...)

[Streaker]

I've got a strong read on epi partner now, will post it extensively tomorrow