[Exp] CYOC! #4 Endgame! Town wins, you filthy animals

[dakky21]

Forgive me if I am wrong but I thought characters were not alignment indicative?

They're not, but in this game it happened to be. Believe it or not.

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

i saw where people was speculating you claimed vig didnt ever see you say till now that you WAS vig so with that im going to unvote

So you were just outright rolefishing then Tim? And how does that help town? This just looks to me like you wanted clarification on who to nightkill.

[Streaker]

Forgive me if I am wrong but I thought characters were not alignment indicative?

They're not, but in this game it happened to be. Believe it or not.

You are saying that if you claim your character, you are proven town. First, that's not true. As wolf said, characters are not allignment indicative. It could be coincidence that you have a 'good' character and are town, but that's completely random. For instance, if someone claimed 'time', or 'space', how will you determine allignment?
Second, by making these kind of statements on top of your completely useless claim, you are attracting all the discussion that's needed to hunt scum. This is bad play if you are town, but it's also bad play if you are scum so you can't read dakky from this. Just stop already with the claims and do an effort to push a case if you are town.

We should ignore dakky for now.

The claimed 3rd party is, however you turn and twist it, NOT town alligned. It's great that he declared to help town, and we should not lynch him. As soon as we see something funny happening, we should not hesitate to lynch him. The closer we get to the end of the game, the more liabel he will get. Just because he will play pro-town does not mean he will not insta switch allignment when he can win with another faction.

This is also not the path to persue today. Both dakky and endgame are clouding the actual scumhunting today, though that discussion might be usefull in later days.

Benga drew most attention, imo.

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All of these one-liners are made in the joke-vote/dakky claim stage of the game. It's interesting he is not getting into the discussion, and refrains from making comments on the actual statements. But it's early, so ok.

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This is his first serious post (in which he wrongly reads I am gathering people for a lynch), but it's the semi-push on me that got my attention, because there is absolutely no follow-up to this post at all.

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Instead of following up, he decides it's time to start questioning mitch, of all players. It all feels very much like stalling while keeping middle ground not bumping on anyone's toe's.

Virus also completely afk, so nothing to go on except that last game he pulled this, he was scum.

fp'd by wing

[virus90]

im still under the impression tim a viable target for this day, he just does not seem to know where to go. voting and unvoting. not desicive, nothing new. just back and forth a bit. saw that someone came to a similar conclusion and voted him aswell.
on endgame i have not much to add, viable target in case there is no better target really.
and dakky... bit the same, isnt helping but according to the rest thats not much new. since i havent played that much with him

[Streaker]

im still under the impression tim a viable target for this day, he just does not seem to know where to go. voting and unvoting. not desicive, nothing new. just back and forth a bit. saw that someone came to a similar conclusion and voted him aswell.
on endgame i have not much to add, viable target in case there is no better target really.
and dakky... bit the same, isnt helping but according to the rest thats not much new. since i havent played that much with him

This post gives me a double feeling... I like how you are now pushing your case on Tim, but at the same time you are also saying you are fine with lynching either of the players that got discussion going, but you don't really seem to care which one.

There has been quite a bit of discussion between Tim and endgame, you don't jump in on any of this yet it relates directly to what you are trying to push.

[benga]

im still under the impression tim a viable target for this day, he just does not seem to know where to go. voting and unvoting. not desicive, nothing new. just back and forth a bit. saw that someone came to a similar conclusion and voted him aswell.
on endgame i have not much to add, viable target in case there is no better target really.
and dakky... bit the same, isnt helping but according to the rest thats not much new. since i havent played that much with him

This post gives me a double feeling... I like how you are now pushing your case on Tim, but at the same time you are also saying you are fine with lynching either of the players that got discussion going, but you don't really seem to care which one.

There has been quite a bit of discussion between Tim and endgame, you don't jump in on any of this yet it relates directly to what you are trying to push.

Instead of following up, he decides it's time to start questioning mitch, of all players. It all feels very much like stalling while keeping middle ground not bumping on anyone's toe's.

Well isn't this a bit hypocritical, since you call me out for the same thing you are doing here??

Yes, I wanted to hear mitchs thoughts on mets, as I already heard from END and dakky about their claims.

I am not prepared to make case on them or lynch them so I need more info about others.

Especially with ends unpredicatable disasterness, would rather wait for cops investigations.

[Streaker]

im still under the impression tim a viable target for this day, he just does not seem to know where to go. voting and unvoting. not desicive, nothing new. just back and forth a bit. saw that someone came to a similar conclusion and voted him aswell.
on endgame i have not much to add, viable target in case there is no better target really.
and dakky... bit the same, isnt helping but according to the rest thats not much new. since i havent played that much with him

This post gives me a double feeling... I like how you are now pushing your case on Tim, but at the same time you are also saying you are fine with lynching either of the players that got discussion going, but you don't really seem to care which one.

There has been quite a bit of discussion between Tim and endgame, you don't jump in on any of this yet it relates directly to what you are trying to push.

Instead of following up, he decides it's time to start questioning mitch, of all players. It all feels very much like stalling while keeping middle ground not bumping on anyone's toe's.

Well isn't this a bit hypocritical, since you call me out for the same thing you are doing here??

Yes, I wanted to hear mitchs thoughts on mets, as I already heard from END and dakky about their claims.

I am not prepared to make case on them or lynch them so I need more info about others.

Especially with ends unpredicatable disasterness, would rather wait for cops investigations.

And what have you done to gather more info? You really want to lynch random (or no lynch) just to play follow-the-cop on D2? What if there is no cop in this game?

[madmitch]

@ Mars , I may have went to far on the claim against wcg ,but with the other two no,they both claim they want to be town aligned and can help town but with a cost , be careful of these guys

Looking back at the game again there was two killers(masons?) and the trio of Dakky,WCG and Endgame were in the mix of things( like now) End calling Dakky scum and Wing agreeing, so what are we looking at three 3rd parties accusing each other to throw us off, or a couple of masons but who Dakky and End or Dakky and Wing or End and wing ??? Endgames claim seems real, so that would leave Dakky and Wing, but Dakkys soft claim vig seems real also and VIG is usually a town role so I think the best thing to do is put so pressure on WCG UNVOTE VOTE WCG

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

Mitch, I'm confused.

[TimWoodbury]

i saw where people was speculating you claimed vig didnt ever see you say till now that you WAS vig so with that im going to unvote

So you were just outright rolefishing then Tim? And how does that help town? This just looks to me like you wanted clarification on who to nightkill.

no i assumed wwher ehe said he could be lyeing ment he was, he shoulda jsut outright said im town vig instead of the back and forth game of i am im not i am im not oh yah i am

[TimWoodbury]

im still under the impression tim a viable target for this day, he just does not seem to know where to go. voting and unvoting. not desicive, nothing new. just back and forth a bit. saw that someone came to a similar conclusion and voted him aswell.
on endgame i have not much to add, viable target in case there is no better target really.
and dakky... bit the same, isnt helping but according to the rest thats not much new. since i havent played that much with him

funny you give your 2 cents of input right afterr you called out for being inactive

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

Tim, there is zero excuse for the typing errors in that. Some players arent native english speakers and wont have a chance of understanding that post. Please take the time to check your typing. If this means waiting till you get to a computer and writing one long post rather than multiple on your phone this would be a massive improvement. I also think this would benefit your play as well.

[TimWoodbury]

nope im at my laptop m just typiing typing typing away and hitting submit at the end without looking for the red underlings sorry will work to remember to look for red underlines

[madmitch]

@ WCG it just seems during this game you three are repeatedly accusing each other to the point that it might be a wifom situtation, of course I good be wrong ,so ease my mind because I rather go after Mets again for his lack of posts, no posts since Thursday . I find that scummy also.

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

@ WCG it just seems during this game you three are repeatedly accusing each other to the point that it might be a wifom situtation, of course I good be wrong ,so ease my mind because I rather go after Mets again for his lack of posts, no posts since Thursday . I find that scummy also.

My position is this:

We should not kill a claimed Town Vig, or a 3rd Party Survivor on the basis of their claims alone D1. I would like to know where you got the idea that I was attacking either of them from? A couple of people , mainly Mars and IB, have called me out for defending them, which I wont deny.

This was your response to my last post about Endgame, [url]https://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=213&t=214776&start=200#p4746186

=D> well said

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I think you can see why I might be a tad confused.

[TimWoodbury]

so how bout this
dakky claims his kills each time he kills then we can go from there if dakky dont claim them and somewhat able to explain his reasoning he gets lynched
Endgame we keep him as he is wanting to help town HOWEVER the 1st sign he is looking to harm town HE gets lynched

[madmitch]

Sorry WING , you are right you were defending them but does that make the situation better for you no ! not yet

[TheForgivenOne]

Vote Count:

Marashu – Strike Wolf (1)
Dakky – pancakemix (1)
TimWoodbury – virus90, Endgame422, dakky21 (3)
Benga – Marashu (1)
Metsfanmax – hotshot53 (1)
Ptlowe – streaker (1)
Endgame422 – Iron Butterfly, WingCmdr Ginkapo (2)
WingCmdr Ginkapo - madmitch (1)

With 15 alive, it takes 8 to lynch. Deadline is set for November 15th. If you want/need an extension, please let me know.

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

Not sure what is going on. Appears I didnt unvote before Voting IB. But I never voted Endgame.

[TheForgivenOne]

Vote Count:

Marashu – Strike Wolf (1)
Dakky – pancakemix (1)
TimWoodbury – virus90, Endgame422, dakky21 (3)
Benga – Marashu (1)
Metsfanmax – hotshot53 (1)
Ptlowe – streaker (1)
Endgame422 – Iron Butterfly (1)
WingCmdr Ginkapo - madmitch (1)
Iron Butterfly - WingCmdr Ginkapo (1)

With 15 alive, it takes 8 to lynch. Deadline is set for November 15th. If you want/need an extension, please let me know.

Sorry Wing, that's my error. (Trying to do a vote count when you're tired is a dumb idea. don't try it)

[benga]

im still under the impression tim a viable target for this day, he just does not seem to know where to go. voting and unvoting. not desicive, nothing new. just back and forth a bit. saw that someone came to a similar conclusion and voted him aswell.
on endgame i have not much to add, viable target in case there is no better target really.
and dakky... bit the same, isnt helping but according to the rest thats not much new. since i havent played that much with him

This post gives me a double feeling... I like how you are now pushing your case on Tim, but at the same time you are also saying you are fine with lynching either of the players that got discussion going, but you don't really seem to care which one.

There has been quite a bit of discussion between Tim and endgame, you don't jump in on any of this yet it relates directly to what you are trying to push.

Instead of following up, he decides it's time to start questioning mitch, of all players. It all feels very much like stalling while keeping middle ground not bumping on anyone's toe's.

Well isn't this a bit hypocritical, since you call me out for the same thing you are doing here??

Yes, I wanted to hear mitchs thoughts on mets, as I already heard from END and dakky about their claims.

I am not prepared to make case on them or lynch them so I need more info about others.

Especially with ends unpredicatable disasterness, would rather wait for cops investigations.

And what have you done to gather more info? You really want to lynch random (or no lynch) just to play follow-the-cop on D2? What if there is no cop in this game?

well you gave me enough to vote streaker

first you wanting to gather up the lynch squad
2nd you really haven't produced anything useful other then just jumping from one guy to another
3rd and yes you are right, I shouldn't just try to lynch random guy, I should pursue someone who has been scummy to me from the start

[HotShot53]

Hotshot,i would like more from him for sure especially regarding wings case on IB.

I expected people at some point to make the argument to lynch end that IB did... I didn't expect it in the post right after mine though lol.

Lynching a 3rd party is like a tie in sports... not as good as a win, better than a loss. When it comes down to the end game, if we had lynched a 3rd party rather than mislynching a town, it could mean the difference of an extra day survival or not. Of course lynching a scum instead of a 3rd party could make the game end a day earlier in our favor.

If end doesn't get lynched today, he has a good chance of not getting lynched at all, as once we start getting better reads on people by day 3/4 etc, there will be less demand to lynch a third party since we'll think we can more likely lynch scum. So if we don't have a good read on a scum today, I wouldn't be opposed to an end lynch, but I'd wait until the situation is to either lynch end, no-one, or someone I think is town.

As for IB, the issue I have with his post is that he went right into voting end rather than leaving it as a last resort. With still 9 days left in the "day", it was a bit early to shut down scum hunting, which does seem a bit scummy. Haven't seen anything else really scummy yet today, so I will unvote, vote IB (Although mets has still only made 1 real post....)

[Endgame422]

Mitch i understand your slip up on dakky,but why was wing your second choice?
Benga looks like town to me here.
Scum have little need to present new cases here as they have several easy paths to take right now so his small case on streaker reads town to me even though it is OMGUS.
On the case of streaker he is playing very agressive,which im not really used to from him so im not real sure what to make of it here.
He suggested how dangerous i was but then said he isnt really interested in lynching me, he was pushing dakky hard but then suggests we ignore him.
If you arent very convinced in your reads streaker why are pushing them so hard?

[dakky21]

Mitch i understand your slip up on dakky,but why was wing your second choice?
Benga looks like town to me here.

Me and Mitch played few mafia's together.... and he knows what I think... (though I can't read him yet)...
You played some games with me as well... and your thinking of Benga being town is what bothers me.
Not saying benga isn't town, but your thinking is not what I am thinking so you're currently No1 for the vig kill.

[ptlowe]

Vote Marashu

No-one should enjoy playing mafia, thats not the point. The sooner he is out of the game, the sooner the misery can envelope us all.

He's also gone AWOL since this, despite being perma online over the last few days.

Marashu made this post, just yesterday:

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Dakky was scum in 2/3 of the last games that i was involved with but thats not really the point.
Of course its the jokevote stage so im far from certain he is scum but that comment was strange,he seemed to be trying to downplay the scene "subtly" and it seemed like enough reason to give him a push and see how he reacts.
His reaction doesnt really do much for me and id consider him for a claim later but theres lots of time here. Also, I really am beginning to think Streakers IMOs is to point fingers at as many people as possible to get a reaction then yell scum. Wing I feel makes good claims but sticks with Streak sometimes I think because he likes what Streak says.

Sorry was sick over the weekend. Also, I enjoy being challenged to add to the discussion. Funny, how all of the game start at the same time. Alas, I am fairly certain on two separate instances that both Wing and Streak have called people scum for using the previous manouvers.
Streak has called me scum in a game for posting about peoples activity, saying it was just me trying to get focus off myself. Wing has done the same. We aren’t that far into Day 1 were people cannot still come back and be good contributors. I also like how Wing and Streak seem to play right off each other in either game, confuses my reads on them.

I just read Dakky's post as "what?" It is completely nonsensical.

If were talking about Strike- In an hour he went from the above to the below without any intervention from End or I.

havent been in most of the games lately, just a few. so why is dakky scum "again" according to you? (end wing?) i dont see it from the post your referring to.

Perhaps I shouldn't answer for end and wing but suggesting a ludicrous theory about an NYC killer which again would be ludicrous, seems like a distraction. It's an impossible theory (as an NPC killer serves no function so even the suggestion of it as unlikely has no real relevance to anything going on in the game. Stating that NPCS were killed by NPcs is also irrelevant and distracting.

Fper by tim. This post also has no real logic behind it.

Thats an extremely quick change of opinion for the fourth/fifth page of a game for someone with no knowledge apart from their own alignment....

ps - Clearly Mets wasnt scummarizing, he was gathering info!

Excellent followup on strike. I didn’t initially get this read but after rereading I thought it is a good read and I liked the logic. Strike has moved up the rankings in my book as potential scum.