Too many Items Mafia (4/14) Endgame: I Confess

[spiesr]

BTW deadline is tomorrow, July 1st

Any particular time tomorrow? (I want to know how many hours we have left.)

By my count Iron Butterfly has the most votes and will be lynched. (Unless the votes change, and since he only has 4 that could surely happen.) So, anyway, Iron Butterfly, if you want to avoid that you might want to try something fairly dramatic, and soon.

[jonty125]

So, anyway, Iron Butterfly, if you want to avoid that you might want to try something fairly dramatic, and soon.

A claim would fit the bill.

[Iron Butterfly]

Everything you asked was clear from the beginning. And most of it is just you doing the same thing you tried to do when I voted for Vodean.

Then show it in a complete argument. Because you say somthing, because you claim somthing, because you beleive somthing, that does not make it true. THAT was what I was trying to instill in you on page 10. Your statements during this argument proves you have not learned a damned thing.

[Yomiel]

She ignored my posts, and then she ignored everyone else's. No claim either.

[zimmah]

She ignored my posts, and then she ignored everyone else's. No claim either.

yomiel, IB has a point, B is not any more scummy than you are, i just voted him because it's pointless to split the votes between too many persons, and i though a case on IB may result in some information. However, to be honest, i think IB is acting like usual, and you seem to be rather vague.

[Iron Butterfly]

Now since yesterday I have been going back and fourth with Yomiel proving that Yomiel has no argument. It seems the reason I have been voted/bandwagoned is because statements I made on page 10. The point i was trying to make on page 10 was that One can not make statements such as, "Joe Blow is Mafia because i beleive he Is." You must bring some sort of logic/proof to your argument.

Ive have been going back and fourth with Yomiel yet again asking him to prove his original statement, which he refuses to do.
This statement by Yomiel has been the cornerstone of why people have bandwagoned.

Lets look at who jumped on.

Yomial-Started it and refuses to offer an argument other then generalities.
Vodean- it seems to be a spite vote. I voted him and so he votes me. when asked to back up the logic in his vote he says it is because of page 10.
Zimmah- Yomiel says,"Anyone gonna vote Iron" Zimmah says he will with no logic other then, "Its day 1"

There has Been NO case and no one has brought anything one way or the other.
You have Zimmah and Vodean for the past severl posts arguing about letter colors.

[pershy]

I made a vote history reading through the thread again. I found it quite revealing as I did it, but will be more so on subsequent days I think.

Here it it https://docs.google.com/document/d/1-lQKumN31wyoExw8L5-xubh2_I35WYwnqHRy-KoOeu4/edit

Also my notes are below. I didn't want to share anything until I had time to look through properly and compile them. They're just personal rough notes though but may be of some interest to others, especially if I wind up dead.

Ok with a few hours to go we have to stop going around in circles and make a decision.
I will happily vote IB if we want to reach a consensus on that. I don't have strong feelings about him either way, but the case that was originally presented by / is not bad and even if he's innocent it will give town information.

Personally I think my case on Neb is better. Look at the vote history.

I wanna FOS Neb for laying into me so much. He was very insistent but could also be conscientious townie play.
/ also did - minor FOS
I now see the case on Vodean. His voting WAS all over the place, and his joking to be GF WAS scummy in my eyes. Shame we didn't get a claim.

Happyfeet does deserve a lot of attention. I would rather lynch him than IB personally.

Also I want to seriously FOS Daz and Epi. Talking about skating under the radar - Daz has hardly contributed at all (and that's not very like him in my experience) and hasn't added anything of value, and Epi has conributed but also nothing of value (also not like him). He's happy to hand out FOSes and votes though.

So my preferred action in the next few hours would be to lynch someone cause I think town will be in a better position on D2 - and we have some possible scum tells.

a. - lynch IB - easiest to achieve. Could be scum
b. - lynch Neb - everyone change their vote to match mine. I'd love that but it ain't gonna happen
c. - lynch happyfeet - could happen. I'm down with that
c. - lynch Vodean, Epi or Daz or someone else (probably not gonna happen either)

I will change my vote in order for it to be effective. We have little time and we need results.

Discuss
(fastposted by Zim and IB defense)

My notes - https://docs.google.com/document/d/13awYKApcGorKL0rFTv2Pc_9YLKhXuIyLJuPSCKhbxkQ/edit

[pershy]

I must say that I kinda agree with what IB says and would rather lynch Yomiel now....but I'll go with the consensus.

[pershy]

EBWOP - Sorry I meant to say I like my Neb case and then FOS Zim as well. As I say he could be an over eager townie but his style is quite aggressive which I like but also am suspicious of.


Personally I think my case on Neb is better. Look at the vote history.

I wanna FOS ZIM for laying into me so much. He was very insistent but could also be conscientious townie play.
/ also did - minor FOS
I now see the case on Vodean. His voting WAS all over the place, and his joking to be GF WAS scummy in my eyes. Shame we didn't get a claim.

[zimmah]

IB, i allready said i don't have any particular reason to vote you but since we hardly have any time left to vote, i thought this vote would be the one that leads to the most information. In fact, if i had to give a first impression on you, i'd say townish.

it may have made me appear look more scummy, but i don't worry too much about that. I'd rather take action and make a wrong turn by doing that, than take no action at all and let the game bleed to death. Therefore, taking no action is more scummy than any action at all.

that being said, and looking at above spreadsheet, neb seems to be hyperactive voting, while several people have not voted at all except for joke votes.

we hardly have any time today but considering the night does not give any more information, i'd like to hear about clever, spiesr, happyfeet, dazz and jonty and to a lesser extend sg7.

now there's no way they are all scum, but they are not contributing either, so they have some explaining to do.

i don't think we should lynch IB, but at this point, i don't think we'll get any real lynch and a NL may not be the best option either. Neb may be too active with his votes, but i rather have hyperactive voting than nearly no voting.


not sure if it will matter but unvote vote happyfeet

fastposted, i'll just ignore the OMGUS FOS because pershy seems to FOS/vote everyone who makes a case on him.

[pershy]

fastposted, i'll just ignore the OMGUS FOS because pershy seems to FOS/vote everyone who makes a case on him.

LOL - it's not an OMGUS FOS - just a minor FOS. Obviously I'm gonna be slightly suspicious at people that were gunning hard for me, but also just as suspicious (if not more) of people like Epi who had an easy bandwagon or didn't add anything except a vote. Epi's just an example. I'm sure there were others - and for voting other people, not just me.

[pershy]

I'm gonna agree with Zimmah for now, his points and his voting strategy

vote happyfeet

would rather vote Neb though

[Yomiel]

She doesn't have a point at all. I never said she was Mafia. I did nothing more than point out something she did that I find odd. She is the one who keeps doing strange stuff. She grabbed onto the excuse Epi made for her weird statement, keeps acting like I am leading bandwagons and cases, ignores people's posts, and she has not claimed or even addressed the request that she do so.

[crazymilkshake5]

BTW deadline is tomorrow, July 1st

Any particular time tomorrow? (I want to know how many hours we have left.)

By my count Iron Butterfly has the most votes and will be lynched. (Unless the votes change, and since he only has 4 that could surely happen.) So, anyway, Iron Butterfly, if you want to avoid that you might want to try something fairly dramatic, and soon.

Whenever i get around to it. And if someone is not lynched, there will be a no lynch.

[Yomiel]

That's really bad.@_@

[jonty125]

All happyfeet has done today is two jokevotes, vote happyfeetp

[zimmah]

That's really bad.@_@

yet you don´t vote or contribute anything

[Iron Butterfly]

vote happy feet

pershy was put through the ringer for supposed submarining. The attention was put to happyfeet to make a reply with no response.

[Yomiel]

Zim, you're really all over the place. I have contributed a fair amount, in spite of the major computer issues I mentioned earlier, and I also voted.

[thehippo8]

vote happy feet

pershy was put through the ringer for supposed submarining. The attention was put to happyfeet to make a reply with no response.

Well given a short deadline ... it's either sit back and wait ... or make an effort ... happy is exceedingly sad right now so ... vote happyfeet

[Yomiel]

I will not vote for the pen-gu-in.

[pershy]

I will not vote for the pen-gu-in.

why not? I know there's no case against him but we'd rather vote an inactive than have a no lynch. What's your reasoning?

[Yomiel]

I go with my gut, and my gut says "Iron". Why vote someone who may have a good reason for being inactive, when we can try for an actually suspicious player.

[crazymilkshake5]

Vote count!

With 14 alive it takes 8 to lynch.

Deadline is July 1st.

1.pershy-
2.Shieldgenerator7
3.jonty125
4.vodean-spiesr, SG7
5.thehippo8
6.zimmah-
7.dazza2008-
8.Iron Butterfly-/, yomiel
9./
10.happyfeet-epit1, neb zim, pershy, jonty, IB, thehippo8-L-2
11.Yomiel-
12.Epitaph1-dazza
13.spiesr-happy
14.Nebuchadnezer-

[Yomiel]

You got Vodean and hippo voting for two people.