The Big Lebowski Mafia - Mafia and Lyncher win!

[pancakemix]

I don't believe in truth being black and white. There is a spectrum of belief. I did believe it, but not 100%. I still had doubts, as you can tell by reading my posts from that time. I am not stupid enough to unvote, hope that someone else votes and then hammer. I am new, but I have only ever won as mafia. I would not be silly enough to fall into a basic trap if I was mafia.

Maybe you didn't completely buy Streaker's claim. Fair enough, as that was pretty much the majority opinion. But to go from unvoting him to dropping the hammer in such a short timeframe is still quite a jump in opinion, one that's pretty suspicious.

You also seem to be implying that you both set and fell for a trap. Which is it?

[DoomYoshi]

I am not implying that I set a trap. It does look that way, but that was not my intention. Perhaps I fell for a trap.

[nagerous]

Well, since I see that nothing will happen with PCM (even though I still consider him to be not pro-town), I'm cool with putting more pressure Yoshi (he was 3rd on my list).

Unvote. Vote Yoshi.

I have a feeling you didn't name your other suspicions earlier just so you could pop up with something like that "Oh yeah he was definitely there on my scummy list all along so my wagon vote is warranted!"

As far as defending yoshi...the only thing I ever supported him on was that he is fairly new to cc mafia (true) and that I didn't find the merit in lynching him over the quick hammer as I thought it was more ambiguous than a lot of people are making it out. Some of what has happened since involving yoshi I haven't liked and for the most part I have weighed in on these.

While this thing might have indeed been blown out of proportion it is more odd to me that both you and Yoshi did so much afterwards to distance yourselves.

Naggy, how much time do we have?

No deadline for now, I may impose one though if things seem to further stagnate.

[spiesr]

Well, the way things stand now, it looks to me as if DoomYoshi is the scummiest person right now. So I will now vote DoomYoshi with the intent of moving the case, which I find the be the best current one, along. My main point against him at the moment is the post where he tried to deny that Strikewolf was defending him...

[strike wolf]

Other than doomyoshi and a few other less note worthy cases, mandy seems to have decided on radio silence since early today.

[Anarkistsdream]

Other than doomyoshi and a few other less note worthy cases, mandy seems to have decided on radio silence since early today.

In his defense, he hasn't been online much.

[strike wolf]

Other than doomyoshi and a few other less note worthy cases, mandy seems to have decided on radio silence since early today.

In his defense, he hasn't been online much.

True but he has been managing to post at least once a day in the POTC game and a couple of times in the Firefly mafia.

[Commander9]

True but he has been managing to post at least once a day in the POTC game and a couple of times in the Firefly mafia.

<<<<----- this.

[Anarkistsdream]

True but he has been managing to post at least once a day in the POTC game and a couple of times in the Firefly mafia.

<<<<----- this.

Huh?

[Commander9]

Huh?

I agree with Strike - Mandy has had more than enough chances to post here, but he chose not to. He needs to be prodded.

[Anarkistsdream]

Huh?

I agree with Strike - Mandy has had more than enough chances to post here, but he chose not to. He needs to be prodded.

Oh! Haha.,.. Yeah, I agree too.

[DoomYoshi]

Well, the way things stand now, it looks to me as if DoomYoshi is the scummiest person right now. So I will now vote DoomYoshi with the intent of moving the case, which I find the be the best current one, along. My main point against him at the moment is the post where he tried to deny that Strikewolf was defending him...

I said he is not defending me any more. What else can I say? Yes, spiesr we are scumbuddies and I am the ubermafia and strike has been playing stupidly because if I die the whole mafia dies. Or are you looking for a lover or mason claim? Either way, you are not going any sort of relationship between us because there isn't one unless he investigated me last night. The fact that two people denying that they are related does not prove that they are. If you want to continue the WIFOM, you might as well lynch Strike since he was defending a townie, he must be a mafia trying to get you to think he is town.

How is that a point against me? So I am in trouble because someone else actually understood what I was saying and stood up for me? If having friends in this game gets you lynched I would hate to see what having enemies does.

[strike wolf]

Actually at this point I think you have contradicted yourself yoshi. You said immediately after streaker's claim that you didn't believe that his role would be in the game and you've said today you had initially believed his claim. Definitely sounds like two different views. vote yoshi.

Also if I am posting less sorry but I'm trying to take a more outside approach and do a better job analyzing within this game...no repeats of today at least I hope.

[DoomYoshi]

I never said that I didn't believe his role wasn't in the game. Other people said that (including you strike). I specifically said:

For the record, I am not basing my decision on the role itself. I am basing it on the fact that he lied about his role during his roleclaim.

[pancakemix]

I never said that I didn't believe his role wasn't in the game. Other people said that (including you strike). I specifically said:

For the record, I am not basing my decision on the role itself. I am basing it on the fact that he lied about his role during his roleclaim.

You mean lying about being both a thief and investigative? Because that's what a thief is.

[strike wolf]

I am happy to get some semblance of a lynch. If that makes me seem 'happy' fair enough. I am not sure I believe that claim. Who is Larry Sellers again? Is he the landlord?

You're right doomyoshi. I didn't believe the claim but I'm not the one claiming I did. If I was you all should probably lynch me on the spot.

[DoomYoshi]

Not being sure is different from disbelieving.

[mandalorian2298]

Other than doomyoshi and a few other less note worthy cases, mandy seems to have decided on radio silence since early today.

In his defense, he hasn't been online much.

True but he has been managing to post at least once a day in the POTC game and a couple of times in the Firefly mafia.

I think I posted only once in FIrefly. Sigh Rereading time.

But, if zombies overrun the world because I have not been there to stop them, it's on your guys head!

[DoomYoshi]

I never said that I didn't believe his role wasn't in the game. Other people said that (including you strike). I specifically said:

For the record, I am not basing my decision on the role itself. I am basing it on the fact that he lied about his role during his roleclaim.

You mean lying about being both a thief and investigative? Because that's what a thief is.

Are you skimming or are you intentionally ignoring the times I have defended myself on this point? For the last time, I didn't think a thief was a flavor cop. I played in a game which had a thief role and a flavor cop role. The thief was the mafia godfather and the flavor cop was the inventor. I didn't realize they are normally the same thing.

unvote vote pcm. If you are trying to flame me and get me worked up so that I drop scumtells it's not going to work. I am not scum. I made one mistake. Lynching me is a waste of everyone's time. We need to start looking at other people. I suggest continuing with the investigation of some less active players. Although pcm gives the definite impression of a scum trying to lead the town to the 'obvious' lynch.

I am not basing this off the back-and-forth you had with commander either, although that is a brilliant source.

Just so I can have a perfect vocabulary, as it seems there is a lot of distrust right now based on the language I use:

When Streaker claimed, even though I didn't buy it completely I gave him the benefit of the doubt and unvoted to give myself time to think about it. After I found his "lie", and saw that many others didn't believe the claim, I became convinced that he was scum. A few others were pretty sure that he was scum as well at the time. Obviously if I thought he would flip town I would've held off on the hammer. If I was scum, I would know that he would flip town, and I wouldn't want the negative attention on myself, so I would've held off on the hammer.

A lot of time has been wasted on my arguing of these same 2 points all day.

[Haggis_McMutton]

If I was scum, I would know that he would flip town, and I wouldn't want the negative attention on myself, so I would've held off on the hammer.

That's WIFOM and you know it.
"I wouldn't have done that thing if I were scum because it would have made me look guilty, so now I'm using the fact that I did that thing to make me look innocent".

As for the whole lying thing. yes you might have made a genuine mistake, or you might have figured that you could pretend to have made a genuine mistake.
I dunno, you seem like a pretty meticulous guy to me, I find it kind of hard to believe you would base a hammer of the fact that this claimed thief role didn't fit with another thief role you saw in some game. You didn't check mafiascum or something like that?
If, for instance, shield was claiming this, I'd buy it(no offense shield ), but you? dunno, maybe it's true, maybe it isn't, but that argument doesn't really convince me.

[pancakemix]

Are you skimming or are you intentionally ignoring the times I have defended myself on this point? For the last time, I didn't think a thief was a flavor cop. I played in a game which had a thief role and a flavor cop role. The thief was the mafia godfather and the flavor cop was the inventor. I didn't realize they are normally the same thing.

unvote vote pcm. If you are trying to flame me and get me worked up so that I drop scumtells it's not going to work. I am not scum. I made one mistake. Lynching me is a waste of everyone's time. We need to start looking at other people. I suggest continuing with the investigation of some less active players. Although pcm gives the definite impression of a scum trying to lead the town to the 'obvious' lynch.

I am not basing this off the back-and-forth you had with commander either, although that is a brilliant source.

Just so I can have a perfect vocabulary, as it seems there is a lot of distrust right now based on the language I use:

When Streaker claimed, even though I didn't buy it completely I gave him the benefit of the doubt and unvoted to give myself time to think about it. After I found his "lie", and saw that many others didn't believe the claim, I became convinced that he was scum. A few others were pretty sure that he was scum as well at the time. Obviously if I thought he would flip town I would've held off on the hammer. If I was scum, I would know that he would flip town, and I wouldn't want the negative attention on myself, so I would've held off on the hammer.

A lot of time has been wasted on my arguing of these same 2 points all day

The don't call him a liar, because he didn't lie. Unless I'm missing an actual lie, which in that case is stupid on Streaker's part.

Flaming? Wut? I know I can get on people's nerves, but it's never been called flaming before. But you go back and forth between me and inactives as alternate targets, which just sounds like you're trying to get attention away from you in any way possible.

So you have said. And I find it very hard to believe that you went from "not completely" to "convinced" so quickly. And you keep WIFOMing yourself. This is never going to go anywhere like this. Unvote vote Yoshi. I suggest you claim.

[FloresDelMal]

my lovely niece just went out with her grandma and i got the time to get my ass here and read, and the only thing i got was yoshi repeating him/her self over and over again with the same flawed logic and baseless accusations (he lied, i swear!!! that's why i hammered, don't take it on me, i'm just a noob with a theater background), then accusing pcm of flaming (btw what i just did in the previous parenthesis it can be consider flaming, not what pcm said) so i see no reason for unvote yoshi, that being said, i wont be able to participate on real daily basis because i'm too busy taking care of my niece while she is in holidays with us.

[FloresDelMal]

oh and also i have to take on keeping the zombies at bay while mandy reads the thread, don't worry babe, i got your back

[DoomYoshi]

Alright, I will claim. I am Jesus Quintana. I am the SK. Normally I would suggest you kill me (if I were town). However, there is clearly no vig, as evidenced by the fact that I am still alive. So I am offering my kill to the town, in exchange for my life. Figure out who the scum are, and I will get them tonight.

Also, I knew SK was a tough role, so I was being careful. I was legitimately sure that Streaker was lying. In one post he claimed flavor cop, in next role he 'slipped up' with a thief claim.

The don't call him a liar, because he didn't lie. Unless I'm missing an actual lie, which in that case is stupid on Streaker's part.

That is evidence of a flaming. Deliberately missing and rephrasing the argument repeatedly. I know he didn't lie now, but I didn't know that then. What part of that don't you understand? That's a rhetorical question. Either way if I am still alive tonight, pcm is not making it through the night.

[strike wolf]

hahaha. Never trust an SK. Lynch him where he stands.