San Francisco Mafia- Aage, Safari and Kernov Win!!!

[VioIet]

DEADLINE

If no one has 9 votes by midnight of 12/19/10, the day will end with no lynch. That means you have today, Friday, and Saturday remaining to come to a consensus.

Vote Count

Flow (6)- Commander, LSU, Dazey, Judah, Kernov, Karel,
aage (1) - Victor
Judah (4)- Tails, aage, edocsil, flow
Victor (2)- Fircoal, Drabod
Tails (1)- Gabe
Jeraado (2)- victor, lildan


With 18 alive it takes 9 to lynch

[edocsil]

wow...once again aage, edocsil, and Flow are in lock-step with eachother...
I seriously hope all the rest of the people playing are paying attention to that fact. That's the number one give-away for mafia...they stick up for eachother.
Just a message to all other players...they are starting to gang up on me since they know Ive got them figured out.

Remind me what is our justification for our lynch? Cause it isn't bandwagoning like you would desire to imply. And by the way, mafia members don't openly work together, at least not on the surface. Most players are better then that.

[Fircoal]

wow...once again aage, edocsil, and Flow are in lock-step with eachother...
I seriously hope all the rest of the people playing are paying attention to that fact. That's the number one give-away for mafia...they stick up for eachother.
Just a message to all other players...they are starting to gang up on me since they know Ive got them figured out.

Remind me what is our justification for our lynch? Cause it isn't bandwagoning like you would desire to imply. And by the way, mafia members don't openly work together, at least not on the surface. Most players are better then that.

Especially ones that are more on the vet side (Well not Flow ). I don't think any of those 3 would align so closely as scum.

[FiestyLion]

wow...once again aage, edocsil, and Flow are in lock-step with eachother...
I seriously hope all the rest of the people playing are paying attention to that fact. That's the number one give-away for mafia...they stick up for eachother.
Just a message to all other players...they are starting to gang up on me since they know Ive got them figured out.

Remind me what is our justification for our lynch? Cause it isn't bandwagoning like you would desire to imply. And by the way, mafia members don't openly work together, at least not on the surface. Most players are better then that.

Obviously i dont have a rock solid case against Flow, and day 1 lynches are hard to justify. We can take this different ways...we can assume that the quiet people are the suspicious ones (sensfan and mass miracle)....we can assume that the people defending eachother are the suspicious ones (aage, edoc, and Flow)...or we can assume that the guy who is just trying to play the game is the suspicious one (me!).

Right now I believe Aage, Edoc, and Flow are in bed together. Thats just my opinion though. Im not the only one that voted for Flow, so I dont see why I deserve to be put under the microscope by the suspicious 3. The only reason for it is that I am on to you and you want me gone.

[jeraado]

I was getting ready to point the finger at judahs for being keen on the lynch, but aage and edocsil have been acting very suspiciously. The focus on flow wasn't so light that it wasn't worth investigating, yet each time it has been seriously raised, both aage and edocsil have been in quick as a flash to try and shift the focus back to the person asking the questions.

FOS aage
FOS edocsil

Although I'm less certain about Flow I still think that it is at least worth further investigation, so for now I remain

FOS Flow

I agree with this:

I don't think any of those 3 would align so closely as scum.

but there's no way 3 townies would act this way. I could understand one (as lovers) but not two.

So the only question in my mind is which of those three to vote for. I am going to vote edocsil for two reasons - 1) edocsil so far has always been the follow-up poster. Aage casts suspicion and edocsil adds the groupthink, and 2) edocsil was the one to ask for a time limit, which by itself isnt a bad idea, but for someone who is filibustering possibly a way to try and force a no-lynch? I'm pretty new to this, but it seems that no-lynch provides more benefit to the scum than it does to us

So to sum up - vote edocsil
although if we have a quorum on flow then I will change

Now lets see how long it takes the three musketeers to try and shift the focus again

[aage]

Obviously i dont have a rock solid case against Flow, and day 1 lynches are hard to justify. We can take this different ways...we can assume that the quiet people are the suspicious ones (sensfan and mass miracle)....we can assume that the people defending eachother are the suspicious ones (aage, edoc, and Flow)...or we can assume that the guy who is just trying to play the game is the suspicious one (me!).

Right now I believe Aage, Edoc, and Flow are in bed together. Thats just my opinion though. Im not the only one that voted for Flow, so I dont see why I deserve to be put under the microscope by the suspicious 3. The only reason for it is that I am on to you and you want me gone.[

Oh, sorry, I thout that the bold part said "or we can assume the guy who has been doing nothing but advocate a lynch based on some confusion around night 0 whilst following 5 others into this miracle plan of lynching someone who half-claims to be bulletproof is scummy". And imho, trying to lynch a suspected bulletproof guy is very scummy.

As for the underlined part, I'll just say some people just deliberately choose to ignore what's being written.

You are apparently eager to begin the lynching...yet you cast your vote for someone that no one else has voted for! Why wouldnt you just vote for Flow since he/she already has 6 votes so that we can, as you say, begin the lynching?!?

[quote]Flow (6)- Commander, LSU, Dazey, Judah, Kernov, Karel, [/b]
You're not half the bandwagoner Karel is but then again Karel isn't pursuing that we all should happily lynch Flow, and feel good about it, because OOEH that guy is scummy.
Seriously, sum up what he is scummy for. Let's see if you can get further than "he didn't get N0" and "after he got BW'd badly two guys stuck up for him".

[kernov]

I was getting ready to point the finger at judahs for being keen on the lynch, but aage and edocsil have been acting very suspiciously. The focus on flow wasn't so light that it wasn't worth investigating, yet each time it has been seriously raised, both aage and edocsil have been in quick as a flash to try and shift the focus back to the person asking the questions.

FOS aage
FOS edocsil

Although I'm less certain about Flow I still think that it is at least worth further investigation, so for now I remain

FOS Flow

I agree with this:

I don't think any of those 3 would align so closely as scum.

but there's no way 3 townies would act this way. I could understand one (as lovers) but not two.


I agree there has been some sort of odd OR scummy behaviour from the 3 of them, im not sure if this worthy of a lynch tho just to find out.

What i would suggest is more pressure on flow, 1. to get more info out of him 2. to see if more reaction from Aage and Edoc.

Lets try to use the last few days wisely i dont want a townie out ive seen how easy it is to make a bad lynch.

So the only question in my mind is which of those three to vote for. I am going to vote edocsil for two reasons - 1) edocsil so far has always been the follow-up poster. Aage casts suspicion and edocsil adds the groupthink, and 2) edocsil was the one to ask for a time limit, which by itself isnt a bad idea, but for someone who is filibustering possibly a way to try and force a no-lynch? I'm pretty new to this, but it seems that no-lynch provides more benefit to the scum than it does to us

So to sum up - vote edocsil
although if we have a quorum on flow then I will change

Now lets see how long it takes the three musketeers to try and shift the focus again

[kernov]

Sorry i messed my quoting up there ^ , heres my bit,



I agree there has been some sort of odd OR scummy behaviour from the 3 of them, im not sure if this worthy of a lynch tho just to find out.

What i would suggest is more pressure on flow, 1. to get more info out of him 2. to see if more reaction from Aage and Edoc.

Lets try to use the last few days wisely i dont want a townie out ive seen how easy it is to make a bad lynch.

[aage]

Sorry i messed my quoting up there ^ , heres my bit,



I agree there has been some sort of odd OR scummy behaviour from the 3 of them, im not sure if this worthy of a lynch tho just to find out.

What i would suggest is more pressure on flow, 1. to get more info out of him 2. to see if more reaction from Aage and Edoc.

Lets try to use the last few days wisely i dont want a townie out ive seen how easy it is to make a bad lynch.

L-2 isn't good enough for you? What the hell?

[kernov]

Sorry i messed my quoting up there ^ , heres my bit,



I agree there has been some sort of odd OR scummy behaviour from the 3 of them, im not sure if this worthy of a lynch tho just to find out.

What i would suggest is more pressure on flow, 1. to get more info out of him 2. to see if more reaction from Aage and Edoc.

Lets try to use the last few days wisely i dont want a townie out ive seen how easy it is to make a bad lynch.

L-2 isn't good enough for you? What the hell?

Seems we where right guys , keep the votes on flow! just because Aage is at it again im still not sure hes a bad boy.

Either that or Aage is on the stamppot again

[Flow520]

The whole idea of "the three musketeers" is just silly.
The post I made previously included quotes expressing great suspicion of Judah by Fircoal, aage, edocsil, and kernov. Add that the reasons Tails used to vote for Judah and you have a 6 person group.
What seems more scummy to me is the manner in which kernov flips and flops depending on whichever way the suspicion is blowing.

[kernov]

I really like how one of you 'Three' have a go at whos ever critising one of you. I quote from a earlier of mine, and just remeber im also just agreeing what other players have noticed!

'I agree there has been some sort of odd OR scummy behaviour from the 3 of them, im not sure if this worthy of a lynch tho just to find out'

Note everyone no behavioral difference so far.

[aage]

L-2 isn't good enough for you? What the hell?

Seems we where right guys , keep the votes on flow! just because Aage is at it again im still not sure hes a bad boy.

Either that or Aage is on the stamppot again

What you do not seem to understand is that there isn't much more pressure to add. Right now it's this or a lynch, and if we lynch flow, we'll know why he shouldn't have been lynched. I'd rather be safe than sorry. Especially since there are other suspicious people who need looking into, i.e. the people who blew up the whole "flow thing". Believe me, in any other game the remark would've flown (tee-hee) by as if nothing had happened, but in here some people don't seem to grasp that a person actually can be interested in something that doesn't have to do with him/her.

[edocsil]

... but in here some people don't seem to grasp that a person actually can be interested in something that doesn't have to do with him/her.

The last two lines are the most important. We have separately looked at flow's actions and Judas's actions and found one to slightly curious and the other to be scum.

I was getting ready to point the finger at judahs for being keen on the lynch, but aage and edocsil have been acting very suspiciously. The focus on flow wasn't so light that it wasn't worth investigating, yet each time it has been seriously raised, both aage and edocsil have been in quick as a flash to try and shift the focus back to the person asking the questions.

So the only question in my mind is which of those three to vote for. I am going to vote edocsil for two reasons - 1) edocsil so far has always been the follow-up poster. Aage casts suspicion and edocsil adds the groupthink, and 2) edocsil was the one to ask for a time limit, which by itself isnt a bad idea, but for someone who is filibustering possibly a way to try and force a no-lynch? I'm pretty new to this, but it seems that no-lynch provides more benefit to the scum than it does to us

As for the accusations of jeraado, well you really should have looked at the timeline before you voted for me, the logic would have fit aage's actions better then mine, as I was the firsts to vote for Judas way back on page 10, although my vote was never counted, even though I prodded the mod about it.

I think most of us would rather take our time so we have better chance of actually lynching scum.

...says the mafia

..Says the mafia

Vote JudahsLion

And then the followup post.

M8 the logic was so self evident I didn't think it needed an explanation beyond a repeat of the word of judas. Why on earth would we not want to take our time and proceed with a careful lynch? Rushing ends with a dead townie, no leads D2, and dead townies in the night. Understand now why I voted for him? If he wasn't joking he may as well of held up a sign. If he was joking, he is risking his life for a laugh.

I also am by no means "filibustering" I am try my damnedest to get Judas lynched for his repeated actions. The idea with a deadline is it forces action, we will should still have a lynch by the end of the day if the ones who are hiding come out of the woodwork. If they don't come out when there was a deadline they really should be replaced.

And by the way jeraado notice how I do not throw suspicion back at you? Just saying, its not questions I mind, but ill thought lynches.

[LSU Tiger Josh]

Unvote vote Judah pushing for a fast lynch is scummy in nature especially when it was really weak evidence against them to start.

[FiestyLion]

Unvote vote Judah pushing for a fast lynch is scummy in nature especially when it was really weak evidence against them to start.

Im not "Pushing for a fast lynch". Im simply "Pushing" to get the freaking game going. If people were posting adequately, it wouldnt be a fast lynch. Good God, its been how many days now? I hardly call it a fast lynch. The Mod had to step in and give us a deadline cuz you guys are dragging your feet. all I did was try to get everyone to realize that Flow was the most suspicious at that point in the game...and I ORIGINALLY voted for LSU JOSH!!! I changed my vote to Flow. If I was pushing for a quick lynch then I just wouldve tried to make a case against LSU.

[FiestyLion]

... but in here some people don't seem to grasp that a person actually can be interested in something that doesn't have to do with him/her.

The last two lines are the most important. We have separately looked at flow's actions and Judas's actions and found one to slightly curious and the other to be scum.

This is the curious thing about you, which obviously Kernov and I both see...is all this "We" talk. you are subtly acknolwedging that you two are collaborationg. You three are WAY more suspicious than any one else right now.

[Flow520]

This is the curious thing about you, which obviously Kernov and I both see...is all this "We" talk. you are subtly acknolwedging that you two are collaborationg. You three are WAY more suspicious than any one else right now.

By this logic if you lynch me you will find that I am town, and the "We" that you are refering to as collaborating would also likely be town. Conversely the "obvious" pair of you and Kernov will appear decidedly not town for pressing so hard for the lynch when more experienced players are screaming at you that I'm not scum. Go ahead, dig your own graves... Regardless of if you and Kernov are town or scum, your arguments are just going to get you lynched, and rather quickly...

[aage]

what Flow said.


Also, I find it rather amusing that "you and Kernov" agree so thorough on the subject.

[FiestyLion]

The reality is that we are all probably wrong and the mafia is sitting back laughing at all this right now. I am somewhat convinced that our non-participating participants are actually the mafia, but no one else seems to agree with that logic. So unfortunately that leaves the 3 amigos as the most suspicious.

Think what you will, but time is running out. Maybe thats a good thing at this point cuz it could possibly save the life of a townie.

[Gabriel13]

Okay, what's the tally of the votes Vio?

[VioIet]

Less than 24 Hours til Deadline

And I realize that we all live in different time zones. I live in San Francisco, and this game takes place in San Francisco, so for simplicity sakes, we will go with the time zone of San Francisco which is pst. It is now 9:15 am in San Francisco. At midnight in San Francisco, the game will go to Night, whether there has been a lynch or not.

Vote Count

Flow (5)- Commander, Dazey, Judah, Kernov, Karel,
aage (1) - Victor
Judah (5)- Tails, aage, edocsil, flow, LSU,
Victor (2)- Fircoal, Drabod
Tails (1)- Gabe
Jeraado (2)- Victor, lildan
Edocsil (1)- jeraado,

With 18 alive it takes 9 to lynch[/quote]

[kernov]

I suspose we could all vote for sensfan for lack of participation

oh boy! im in then!

last post on 24th Nov , in what exactly?

[Commander9]

Thanks Aage for your wishes for luck - now I'll always ask before my exams for your blessings

it looks like we are still waiting for 5 people to get off their lazy keister and cast a vote.

At this point no one is really talking except about things non-mafia related, and our only "suspicious" person is Flow. If youre sitting on the fence right now, let me say that Flow has to be the first lynch becuase quite frankly the first kill is always kinda random and its the only person worthy of death at this point. Once we get the 9 votes we need, we will be able to progress to the next day where we will actually find out some useful information for once. We will see 2 people die (probably), and we may get information from a cop.

Also, if you take the word "Flow" and flip it around, it spells "Wolf". What do wolves do? They kill people. Case closed.

Now, now, I completely disagree - first lynch doesn't have to be random at all... You just have to pay attention... And take a look at people who are wanting a random lynch without any good reasons.

@ Karel - aaawww

@ aage - agreed that we should definitely look at his BW - it started as a joke, but as seen, Flow got a lot of people jumping on on the bandwagon fast. However, that doesn't mean that we should now think of Flow as a townie...

@ Victor - seriously, stop playing as a jester (even though I'm 99% sure you are not it) and trying to convince people that by being an idiot you can avoid being lynched. FoS.

@ Daze - agreed. We have no proofs at all about Flow being innocent.

Fircoal, you of all should know. Dethy mafia also has a N0 and the mafia doesn't get a kill.

Also, let's look at this:

14 people have confirmed so far. Most in this thread; a few by pm. However even if you confirmed your role by pm, remember to post in here as well. With that said....

Night 0 Began!!!

If you have a night 0 action, submit it in to me. As soon as all actions are in or 24 hours have passed- whichever comes first- Day 1 will begin.

IF you have a night 0 action, it specifically says. idk but I think the mafia didn't have a pm that said "you have a n1 action. you have a n2 action. you have a n3 action." It probably said something like "you can kill at night". It might have mentioned N0; only the mafia would know.
And knowing the game, I don't think they'll tell us

This.

@ FoS Lilbad for being a bit too trigger happy. I'd rather stay a bit longer and look at the options we've got.

We want to get as much information as possible before actually making a lynch. The odds are that a day 1 lynch will turn up a townie, but the more information we have the more likely we are going to be able to pick up on who is actually scum. Even if we don't make a wrong lynch on day 1, if we've at least picked up some leads we can consider what happens on subsequent days, whereas if we jump into the first lynch that comes along, then the chances are on day 2 we'll still not have much to go on.

Agree. Even if we will lynch a townie, it's always a good idea to have some substance that we could look back afterwards and perhaps we might see something that while still at D1 didn't make much sense, could be a good argument for a later use.

@ Judah's - just as far as sensfan goes, he's always inactive and skimming, so while he may end up as D1 lynch, lets wait a bit. P.S. If you'll continue to be sooo trigger happy, I think we may have a new target really soon...

@ Kernov - yeah, I'm fairly happy with my results - thanks for asking.

The whole idea of "the three musketeers" is just silly.
The post I made previously included quotes expressing great suspicion of Judah by Fircoal, aage, edocsil, and kernov. Add that the reasons Tails used to vote for Judah and you have a 6 person group.
What seems more scummy to me is the manner in which kernov flips and flops depending on whichever way the suspicion is blowing.

Don't forget that we've got both mafia and prisoners, so this could be a combination of two factions....

@ LSU - big FoS for scummaring. You, Sir, seem highly suspicious, but I do not think we've got enough time for a quick lynch on you.

Unvote for now.

After reading the whole thing, that people that pop out as most suspicious would be LSU, Sensfan, Flow and lilbad.

DEADLINE is coming rather fast - I think we actually may have to do a quick lynch after all.

[Commander9]

Furthermore, Sensfan posted in other threads while not posting here. Scummy much?