POTC Mafia Game Thread Day 7 Town Win! Premium goes to Sully

[TheSaxlad]

I suppose out of all the current cases fir's makes the most sense to me, I might be just a bit meta-biased because I can pretty much make the same case on him as I did in buffy mafia.
I dislike how essentially all his posts are about his activity, it seems oddly defensive. I like his second latest post, at least it offers some commentary, albeit it's still summing up the same "nothing to go on yet" we've been hearing from several other players and it ended in the same "why doesn't someone contribute" that he used against vic's inactivity and streaker in buffy, despite his own vote still being on his first joke vote of the day even though we have under a week's time to get something done, it seems like a fair enough possible scumariner "don't care who gets lynched or if we get a lynch done" tell.
I'll unvote vote fir

Can I vote / because he's been Mafia Godfather in the past two games ive been in or is that taking it too far?

[strike wolf]

@ TG:

Let me get this straight - I am not pro-town, because I pointed out what scummy things others have done and promoted discussion? No offence, but I never thought of you as a retard, but that post...

At least you've associated with your scum buddy, so when he falls, I hope you'll be next in line.

I'll assume this is a reference to me. Either way, your logic isn't completely off base but this is another example of you doing the very thing I mentioned earlier for voting you: trying to shoot down a theory against you by asserting the other player's "scumminess" and actually what TG says is something that smart aggressive scum tend to do, paint a non-faction member as a scum by using basic scum tells in order to misdirect town from their own faction.

@ Strike:

It seems you may be forgetting that I was the one who encouraged discussion and helped the game move out of the game stage. Furthermore, there really was no connection between me and Victor - please read my earlier posts and you'll notice that all I did was said that it doesn't make sense to do a BW on Victor, when we know that if he won't be active, he'll be replaced. All I see here is a disguised OMGUS vote, but it's fine.

Well I wouldn't have you take full credit for encouraging discussion but I will give you credit for at least being active in discussion.

I have read your earlier posts on Victor and what I'm seeing is a lot of you jumping to the defense very quickly. Again I'll give you credit for noting he hadn't been very active in the mafia forums in general which is a big part of the reason I backed off but the defense was very zealous in nature and that stood out to me. Since than your zealous attempts to shoot down mandy's theory as well as other theories pointing towards you as scum have been quite apparent. This to me also appears a lot like OMGUS which brings us to my next point:

My vote is OMGUS how? because I was voted for by victor than voted you while citing a connection to victor? A bit convoluted and I could actually see this happening with a smart scum however not the case. I found you and victor suspicious both through that early connection and subsequent posts. I pointed out how Victor's theory on me was based on false information. He accused me of defending everyone on his wagon while going after everyone that defended him which wasn't true. My posts early on to an extent actually provided some defense for you and vio while I subsequently FOSEd streaker who had been on your wagon. I felt this was either skimming on victor's part or intentional misuse of logic which is part of the reason I feel he has been scummy.

Lol, no silly, I am saying that calling others out for "classic" scumtells, when you know that person is town, would also be a scum maneuver. One of the best weapons for scum is to sow confusion and spread mistrust on others. That is very easy to do.

You were saying to go after an inactive is scummy (it can be--but it's very obvious). To go after Victor for inactivity is another story. To see person A going after Victor for inactivity is an opportunity.

-Tails

And Victor was an example. I saw some people taking an opportunity and jumping on inactivity on Day 1, when it was CLEARLY said that there are replacements for inactive ones.

In my defense here, in this case I wasn't just going after victor for inactivity in this thread. I pointed him out for inactivity in this thread when I know he had posted elsewhere including the mafia forum (I also stated that I did not believe he was in any real danger of being lynched). A large part of this was for the same reason Nag cited. I wanted to see some discussion based on both the defense and aggression towards victor on the wagon. I backed off when it was pointed out he hadn't been all that active in this forum but you know what he's done since then? He's continued to lurk and he's only posted one post with any insights into the game and it was inaccurate. So yes if my vote wasn't on you it would be on victor.

Comm's post was quite aggressive/defensive. I assume he is frustrated about something, either by being outed as scum so early on or that it is possible that he will be forced to claim and has a role that sucks to claim, i.e doc.

In I suspect the primary, Vote Commander

Of course I am frustrated - I've pointed out what people were doing and instead of getting a thanks, I get a pistol by my head supported by false arguments. Remember yourself in Nostalgia - and you were just as frustrated and defencive.

Ok even disregarding scum tells. The Nostalgia Mafia is still going and Edoc is still alive. Even if you don't consider metagaming bad metagaming via an active game with an unproven role has to be.

moving on to someone besides commander:

unvote vote thesaxlad So far a useless player

The timing and nature of this post struck me as interesting. There was a lot of discussion on this page (enough that it took me a few looks to really analyze everything being said) but instead of commenting on any of this he decides to vote for the one person who I had said was probably just inactive (though now that I actually look at all his posts it may not have been all that simple) without really providing much insight into why he should be voted other than stating him being a "useless player" which sax seems to have taken offense to and really I don't blame him. Beyond insults it garners I don't find it a productive way of calling out lynches. You feel a person is useless you may be right but it doesn't have anything to do with evidence of scumminess. It's a cheap lynch which unless you are lucky enough to be right doesn't help town at all.

I suppose out of all the current cases fir's makes the most sense to me, I might be just a bit meta-biased because I can pretty much make the same case on him as I did in buffy mafia.
I dislike how essentially all his posts are about his activity, it seems oddly defensive. I like his second latest post, at least it offers some commentary, albeit it's still summing up the same "nothing to go on yet" we've been hearing from several other players and it ended in the same "why doesn't someone contribute" that he used against vic's inactivity and streaker in buffy, despite his own vote still being on his first joke vote of the day even though we have under a week's time to get something done, it seems like a fair enough possible scumariner "don't care who gets lynched or if we get a lynch done" tell.
I'll unvote vote fir

I'm referencing this quote simply because I agree with a lot of what / says. I've already stated that I don't like how Fir has played this game. he's made very little effort to actually try to find any scum tells and spent most of his time defending his own behavior.

SO in conclusion. my vote is still on commander. FOS falko, victor and fircoal

[strike wolf]

On a side note: can we get a prod for Mandy?

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Can I vote / because he's been Mafia Godfather in the past two games ive been in or is that taking it too far?

Faulty logic, you were the mod and could have made me whatever you wanted, don't try to pin it on me!

[Anarkistsdream]

On a side note: can we get a prod for Mandy?

His last comment was on the 23rd... Odd for Mandy.

[Commander9]

I'll assume this is a reference to me. Either way, your logic isn't completely off base but this is another example of you doing the very thing I mentioned earlier for voting you: trying to shoot down a theory against you by asserting the other player's "scumminess" and actually what TG says is something that smart aggressive scum tend to do, paint a non-faction member as a scum by using basic scum tells in order to misdirect town from their own faction.

First of all, that was a reference to Mandy and not you, but you thinking it was a reference against you is something worth noting. Until now, I've not pointed out that much against you, but this does make me a little bit suspicious. And that's the same thing an aggressive townie would do - try notice scumtells and point them out. He'd also point out faulty logic and things that would be diverting attention from the valid discussions and would notice the people who make BW's /votes for all the wrong reasons.

Well I wouldn't have you take full credit for encouraging discussion but I will give you credit for at least being active in discussion.

I have read your earlier posts on Victor and what I'm seeing is a lot of you jumping to the defense very quickly. Again I'll give you credit for noting he hadn't been very active in the mafia forums in general which is a big part of the reason I backed off but the defense was very zealous in nature and that stood out to me. Since than your zealous attempts to shoot down mandy's theory as well as other theories pointing towards you as scum have been quite apparent. This to me also appears a lot like OMGUS which brings us to my next point:

My vote is OMGUS how? because I was voted for by victor than voted you while citing a connection to victor? A bit convoluted and I could actually see this happening with a smart scum however not the case. I found you and victor suspicious both through that early connection and subsequent posts. I pointed out how Victor's theory on me was based on false information. He accused me of defending everyone on his wagon while going after everyone that defended him which wasn't true. My posts early on to an extent actually provided some defense for you and vio while I subsequently FOSEd streaker who had been on your wagon. I felt this was either skimming on victor's part or intentional misuse of logic which is part of the reason I feel he has been scummy.

No one said that I was taking FULL credit, but my post and vote on streaker was one of the main catalysts that got us out of the joke vote stage and into normal discussions.


I've would have done same defence that I did for Victor for anyone else at that stage. Creating/participating in a BW on Day 1 based on inactivity when a person is inactive and the mod has clearly stated that inactives will be replaced is scummy. You can try to argue this (and I've seen people do that), but in my book this will be scummy and I don't see any reasons for townies to do that. At this point, however, a vote on victor would be much more justified and I wouldn't mind that (since he didn't get replaced and is pretty much lurking).

An OMGUS in a way that I point out that Victor's BW had no good reasons to be created and that everyone on it is scummy and soon afterwards I get a vote from you. While I have no good reasons to believe you to be non pro-town, this defensiveness and conviction does interest me. I've never defended Victor and I just point out that the BW was false and I'd like him replaced, yet you and a couple of others try to pin two of us together - a thing that would beneficial for scum.

In my defense here, in this case I wasn't just going after victor for inactivity in this thread. I pointed him out for inactivity in this thread when I know he had posted elsewhere including the mafia forum (I also stated that I did not believe he was in any real danger of being lynched). A large part of this was for the same reason Nag cited. I wanted to see some discussion based on both the defense and aggression towards victor on the wagon. I backed off when it was pointed out he hadn't been all that active in this forum but you know what he's done since then? He's continued to lurk and he's only posted one post with any insights into the game and it was inaccurate. So yes if my vote wasn't on you it would be on victor.

Again, read above. That wagon isn't really justifiable. I also really dislike how you imply that Victor deserves a vote now and that I would disagree with that. Just because I defended him back then doesn't mean that I would be against his pressure now, as he has not been replaced and is still not contributing one bit. You're basically trying to put words in my mouth and connect me to Victor which doesn't have any real basis.

Ok even disregarding scum tells. The Nostalgia Mafia is still going and Edoc is still alive. Even if you don't consider metagaming bad metagaming via an active game with an unproven role has to be.

I will concede this point, however. I should have used another example to provide the same point... The point is still valid, IMHO.

[safariguy5]

Vote Count

Mandy(2)- PCM, Fircoal
Fircoal(2)-Mr. Squirrel, /
got tonkaed(1)- Iliad
Nagerous(1)- got tonkaed
Commander9(5)- VioIet, mandy, tails, strike wolf, edocsil
Streaker(2)- Commander9, Haggis
VioIet(2)- Mass Miracle, nagerous
strike wolf(2)- Victor, freezie
TheSaxlad(2)- Falkomagno, Nark

With 21 alive, it takes 11 to lynch.

Deadline is in 4 days.

Prodded Mandy

[mandalorian2298]

M sleep deprived, will post tomorrow. Poker, chess and blogging about chess.

[pancakemix]

Why is everyone metagaming? Clearly it's not the only thing we have to go by and it's really not the best way to go about finding scum. People are even metagaming themselves in their own defense.

Just remember Briarsburg and Herk - if a person is attacking me in a rather bad way (In my opinion anyways), I will respond aggressively.

Having taken a second look at Commander's posts against the Victor wagon, they're clearly in favor of activity during Day 1. Not a very scummy thing to do. Strike backs off and gets voted by Victor, which ends up leading to this:

So not going after you and agreeing that one of the people who was voting you agrees with that theory how?

ebwop Not going after the people who defended you.

To be fair, if you had done, that would've been rather scummy and quite likely earnt a quick BW on you. You're a better player than that.

But strike didn't do that. Instead, he let it sit before digging in:

As for cases, commander and vio are definitely interesting for various reasonings. Your description of vio seems accurate enough I won't restate it. Commanders case, the defense of victor wasn't completely out of character for him but while he is usually aggressive to me it seems some of his actions are more just trying to shoot down anyone who disagrees with what he says (I would need to reread to remember specifics). So right now I consider him very interesting. fos commander

And soon, it really gets going

1. victor-has barely posted. One post apologizing, one post inaccurately analyzing what I had said and done at that point and one post where he pretty much just said he has nothing to say before commenting on some random remark that really didn't have anything to do with anyone. This was after his early game non-appearance that I drew attention to earlier huge fos victor.

10. commander-probably the most erratic and scummy behavior of anyone thus far. Associated himself with victor by defending him and attacking any comments that seem to be made in disagreement to him. Accused mandy based on an inaccuracy that had already been said to be false by mandy and explained why it was false by someone else when he made his comment which makes his post seem like a purposeful mistranslation that he tried to use to his advantage. His behavior to me appears aggressive yet misdirected behavior more intent on shooting down certain theories especially those against him than really positively contribute to the game.

With all this being said I think our best strategy still goes to exploring the commander/victor connection or the vio/falko connection. seeing as I believe Vio already has more votes on her than commander and I believe that combined commander and victor appear more scummy than vio I will vote commander

Things that are wrong with this:

1. There is no connection to draw between Vic and Commander. It just isn't there, at least not based on the evidence we have.

2. What Mandy said about commander didn't make sense (and was also a metagame. There I go again)

3. If attacks are coming from all sides, I'd think aggression would be a natural reaction.

4. To say the cases on commander were more compelling than the one, say, Falko for example (one liners, skimming, etc.) is ridiculous. Weak though that case might be, I can't see anything really worth saying about commander atm.

I'm going to unvote vote strike

[Anarkistsdream]

M sleep deprived, will post tomorrow. Poker, chess and blogging about chess.

This dork blogs... Just kidding, Mandalorian!

Anyway, @pancakemix, that is a fairly astute point. I also, have wondered why people continue to bring outside issues into this game. It doesn't make any sense at all. There have been numerous players who like those who metagame because all they have to do when they are scum is act JUST like they did in the last game where they were town. I remember people doing this when I first started playing Mafia.

If we are to vote for someone or make assumptions, at least let it be because of something in THIS thread, and not another one

[Commander9]

This dork blogs... Just kidding, Mandalorian!

Anyway, @pancakemix, that is a fairly astute point. I also, have wondered why people continue to bring outside issues into this game. It doesn't make any sense at all. There have been numerous players who like those who metagame because all they have to do when they are scum is act JUST like they did in the last game where they were town. I remember people doing this when I first started playing Mafia.

If we are to vote for someone or make assumptions, at least let it be because of something in THIS thread, and not another one

I don't mind some meta-gaming, but what Mandy and Strike have been doing is a bit ridiculous. I'd still suggest to pressure Streaker, but I'm totally fine with Strike/Mandy's pressure as of now, these 3 I'd consider the most likely scumsters. I would also be fine with pressuring Victor, because I do agree with Strike about him still lurking, although I think that was a try to divert attention rather than anything else.

[got tonkaed]

There's a lot to agree with from the pancake post it seems like. Considering there has been a lot of meta stuff going on, it is somewhat difficult to draw out a lot of really good leads. A few players have sort of taken it upon themselves to be more active with their discussion, and in commander's case it has put a somewhat unnecessary bullseye on their back. Having said that, I don't think strike is necessarily scummy either. I do feel like strike is a bit all over the place, which perhaps could be understood to be misdirecting. At the same time though, I sort of feel like at the moment it is just as much exuberance as it is anything else.

Early on there have been a few more players who haven't really made too much of an impact. Most players by now have made at least a post or two, but it doesn't seem like fircoal, saxlad, or falkomango have added a whole lot with their content.

At the same time haggis made a pretty nice quality post and disappeared after that, which did not seem to generate much discussion.

Getting closer to the deadline id be tempted to place my vote on any one of those three, Fircoal for not really addressing anything other than metagamming, saxlad for only stopping by to joke vote and falko for doing nothing but voting it would seem.

Either way unvote for now.

[Commander9]

There's a lot to agree with from the pancake post it seems like. Considering there has been a lot of meta stuff going on, it is somewhat difficult to draw out a lot of really good leads. A few players have sort of taken it upon themselves to be more active with their discussion, and in commander's case it has put a somewhat unnecessary bullseye on their back. Having said that, I don't think strike is necessarily scummy either. I do feel like strike is a bit all over the place, which perhaps could be understood to be misdirecting. At the same time though, I sort of feel like at the moment it is just as much exuberance as it is anything else.

Early on there have been a few more players who haven't really made too much of an impact. Most players by now have made at least a post or two, but it doesn't seem like fircoal, saxlad, or falkomango have added a whole lot with their content.

At the same time haggis made a pretty nice quality post and disappeared after that, which did not seem to generate much discussion.

Getting closer to the deadline id be tempted to place my vote on any one of those three, Fircoal for not really addressing anything other than metagamming, saxlad for only stopping by to joke vote and falko for doing nothing but voting it would seem.

Either way unvote for now.

The main reason I'm interested in Strike so much is that he usually plays completely different. He has already told us that he decided that before the game, but I'd be willing to make a deeper inquiry. I'm more suspicious of both streaker and mandy - they both were somewhat active before, yet both have barely posted recently, with the deadline looming. Mandy was prodded, so we may expect some more activity from him, but with his posts so far, I'd think some pressure would be a good idea.

As far as the ones you mentioned, I'd say Fir is probably the best option, followed by Falco. Deadline is looming, so we do need to make a decision and go for it, before it's too late.

[Falkomagno]

Voting is the power of the town. Is the way to see the reaction of players. It was not until I voted for anarkist that he show up with more or less meaningful post. The same case fircoal and thesaxlad. If I didn't vote for them they will be still lurking. Now it seems little weird that people go rather for the mos actives players, or for player who raised questions, rather than going for the inactives, which in day one is rather unfair. I will always go for an inactive player than for an active one, at least in day one. And that's my point when I said useless. Is not a insult, but to contribute nothing to the game.

But of course, in this kind of game there is full of players who plays naive inverse psychology, where someone says A, and the others said immediately B and lynch this guy for saying A.

unvote vote mandolorian

[nagerous]

Voting is the power of the town. Is the way to see the reaction of players. It was not until I voted for anarkist that he show up with more or less meaningful post. The same case fircoal and thesaxlad. If I didn't vote for them they will be still lurking. Now it seems little weird that people go rather for the mos actives players, or for player who raised questions, rather than going for the inactives, which in day one is rather unfair. I will always go for an inactive player than for an active one, at least in day one. And that's my point when I said useless. Is not a insult, but to contribute nothing to the game.

But of course, in this kind of game there is full of players who plays naive inverse psychology, where someone says A, and the others said immediately B and lynch this guy for saying A.

unvote vote mandolorian

Can you elaborate on your reasons for voting mandalorian please.

[nagerous]

Iliad has only made one post so far.. granted it was long and thought out post but he is too quiet, I think this level of activity is unacceptable.

Can he also be prodded? The town can't make much progress if the only time that people post is when they receive prods. Do we have a deadline? These are normally effective in pushing people to post more.

[Anarkistsdream]

Falko, you never voted me... Make sure you know what you are talking about before name dropping... It can lead to a big mess, and when that mess is me, I mind a lot.

[got tonkaed]

Voting is the power of the town. Is the way to see the reaction of players. It was not until I voted for anarkist that he show up with more or less meaningful post. The same case fircoal and thesaxlad. If I didn't vote for them they will be still lurking. Now it seems little weird that people go rather for the mos actives players, or for player who raised questions, rather than going for the inactives, which in day one is rather unfair. I will always go for an inactive player than for an active one, at least in day one. And that's my point when I said useless. Is not a insult, but to contribute nothing to the game.

But of course, in this kind of game there is full of players who plays naive inverse psychology, where someone says A, and the others said immediately B and lynch this guy for saying A.

unvote vote mandolorian

i guess i would have to go back and check when you are making the votes. Voting is a power of the town, but its also a power of anyone else who is anti-town. If the votes are being made in a period of inactivity to try and draw up interest in a player defending themselves then it is more understandable. It would seem the votes you have made have not really accomplished this that much.

Again, I could be wrong if we go back through, but I think you are giving yourself a little more credit than may be deserved since most of these players had been talked about in some way before your vote on them. especially in the case of mandy, where he was prodded and had responded, so the vote does not add a whole lot of value in terms of discussion there.

Doing things that can be described as town and then having them brought back against you because they are not only viewed as town isnt as strong of a defense as you are thinking it is.

[Anarkistsdream]

Doing things that can be described as town and then having them brought back against you because they are not only viewed as town isnt as strong of a defense as you are thinking it is.

And voting someone who says they have been away and will catch up the next day is pretty scummy in itself. A day isn't going to cross the deadline, and some of us do get busy with real life details. It's the people who say they will catch up and then don't that need to be voted or pressured, not the people who say they will read up and then DO.

Unvote or whatever
Vote: Falko

For not posting much yourself, not having anything of relevance to say, and voting without causation.

[Commander9]

Voting is the power of the town. Is the way to see the reaction of players. It was not until I voted for anarkist that he show up with more or less meaningful post. The same case fircoal and thesaxlad. If I didn't vote for them they will be still lurking. Now it seems little weird that people go rather for the mos actives players, or for player who raised questions, rather than going for the inactives, which in day one is rather unfair. I will always go for an inactive player than for an active one, at least in day one. And that's my point when I said useless. Is not a insult, but to contribute nothing to the game.

But of course, in this kind of game there is full of players who plays naive inverse psychology, where someone says A, and the others said immediately B and lynch this guy for saying A.

unvote vote mandolorian

The post makes sense, but would you mind connecting the dots and explaining how all that you've said is connected to Mandy? I do find him scummy, but this post is not taking any of those factors in mind.

[freezie]

Voting is the power of the town. Is the way to see the reaction of players. It was not until I voted for anarkist that he show up with more or less meaningful post. The same case fircoal and thesaxlad. If I didn't vote for them they will be still lurking. Now it seems little weird that people go rather for the mos actives players, or for player who raised questions, rather than going for the inactives, which in day one is rather unfair. I will always go for an inactive player than for an active one, at least in day one. And that's my point when I said useless. Is not a insult, but to contribute nothing to the game.

But of course, in this kind of game there is full of players who plays naive inverse psychology, where someone says A, and the others said immediately B and lynch this guy for saying A.

unvote vote mandolorian

The post makes sense, but would you mind connecting the dots and explaining how all that you've said is connected to Mandy? I do find him scummy, but this post is not taking any of those factors in mind.

Well, Mandy said last page that he has not been all that active and will post tomorow.

Falko's post is ALL about her voting inactive people ( Mandy ) and explaining how it is townie to vote inactives on day 1.

Correct me if I am wrong..But I see a huge load of WIFOM in that post..

[safariguy5]

Iliad has only made one post so far.. granted it was long and thought out post but he is too quiet, I think this level of activity is unacceptable.

Can he also be prodded? The town can't make much progress if the only time that people post is when they receive prods. Do we have a deadline? These are normally effective in pushing people to post more.

Announcement

Iliad has been prodded.

I remind everyone that the deadline is still the 31st of March (about 4 days away) and has been for about a week and half now.

[Falkomagno]

Can you elaborate on your reasons for voting mandalorian please.

He is not playing the game, and needed to be prodded. so far his activity here is to bring metagame which it has limited or nule real use. And after prodded, nothing really meaningful. Now, i want to have some pressure in his update post. Probably now that i vote for him, his post would be emotion flavored. but we we'll see. According to that post, I will keep the vote on him or putting in the second of my suspicious list, which is basically thesaxlad and fircoal.

@anarkist: Your contirbution to the game was limited and very very scummy until i made this statement :

So, I want to consult to the people in this game to luck the post of anarkist, since it seems to me really scummy, just showing up from time to time, throwing shallow judges without a real compromise.

After that your posts became more logical, even if a little defensive in my opinion. You seem afraid. But still active and contributing to discussion.


@tanked I dont know what do you mean with the mandy reference. My cases were so far against fircoal, thesaxlad, anarkist and now mandelorian.



by the way, what happened with Mr. squirrel, haggis and victor???

[Streaker]

I don't see how jumping votes from inactive to inactive is helping town right now. It might work when there isn't a deadline, but with a few days left it will do more harm then good.

I get a feeling you arent really interested in a lynch, as you say you only vote the inactives to get them to posting. With that logic, we will end up with a no-lynch Day 1, and that is higly suspicious.

That's the best I see up until here, so i'll

Vote falko

[VioIet]

My vote is OMGUS how? because I was voted for by victor than voted you while citing a connection to victor? A bit convoluted and I could actually see this happening with a smart scum however not the case. I found you and victor suspicious both through that early connection and subsequent posts. I pointed out how Victor's theory on me was based on false information. He accused me of defending everyone on his wagon while going after everyone that defended him which wasn't true. My posts early on to an extent actually provided some defense for you and vio while I subsequently FOSEd streaker who had been on your wagon. I felt this was either skimming on victor's part or intentional misuse of logic which is part of the reason I feel he has been scummy.

Hmm, something about this paragraph threw me off. Was just surprised to see my name in it. You said you provided defense for me having my vote on Victor. However my vote was never on Victor, it was on commander. I am wondering if you meant to type a different name there, or if you really meant me.