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[FloresDelMal]

"Improve your defense right now", by possibly lynching a roe-blocker that is town aligned? Doesn't mix very well once you think about it. On the other hand, I'd rather not waste any more time than needed so I will go along with herk.


Vote theherkman

here is drew being fairly convinced that there was a strong possibility that herk was town aligned and then going and hammering anyway despite the fact that he did have a whole day for try to improve his defense.

Well then. How about that?

i think even thought we had no deaths, we cant start to congratulate each other, it might have been due to Xmas, you know, ppl being too busy for sending their night actions, anyway ill start the day by pointing to the unnecessary hammering of herk, when we still had one more day to go, seriously the guy basically critics me for putting herk at L-1, and then goes and hammers him, talk about being inconsequential vote DrewDude

and here is me making a case on him, it might not be the best case ever, but i have seen no one putting a better one together this day.

I don't want to throw my vote on a bandwagon that I feel is a little too fast this early in the day just yet, but I do have some questions for DrewDude here:

"Improve your defense right now", by possibly lynching a roe-blocker that is town aligned? Doesn't mix very well once you think about it. On the other hand, I'd rather not waste any more time than needed so I will go along with herk.

Are you aware that most of the people were asking for theherkman to improve his defenses, not you. I am fairly certain that no-one told to you to defended yourself by voting for theherkman, or as you put it "possibly lynching a roe-blocker that is town aligned." Why did you then decide to pursue this course of action? Surely no one was forcing you to do it, so you can't lay the blame there....

Here spiers made him a completely valid question, which was followed by this post of drew

Being inconsistent even when I said I loved being scummy? Sounds like a waste of oxygen to have such a conversation. (...) Now did I throw Herk under the bus? Yes. Would my vote have changed much if I didn't vote for him? Probably not.
For my vote I'll go for the person that voted me first for this day.

Vote FloresDelMal

here he highlight the obvious, is quite obvious that in mostly any lynch you will find both townies and scum among the votes.

then how does he answers to the perfectly valid question of spiers? "sure i voted the guy, but is not like it made a difference" seriously? you rush to hammer a guy who you said that it was likely townie and that's it? that's your whole reasoning behind it? god i hope you are not our vig because if that's all it takes for you to put the rope on someones neck, then we could be quite screwed.

and how he finishes his post? by an OMGUS, just precious, why dont you stop to beat around the bushes and give a decent answer to spiers, as well as a role claim, being at L-2 is more than justified.

btw i dont think that the chu is being scummy, if anything i think he is being naive, and overly kind to a "noob", prolly i could be more of a softy with him if i actually believed him to be a noob, but the guy might be new to CC mafia, but not to mafia in general, and he admited it openly very early on the game, which i admit, triggered immediately my scum radar, and here is that post that aage was helpful enough to quote

I can't say I've played any games with other people on here but what I like to do is a thing called act scummy. It without a doubt gets me lynched a lot but over time people accept my ways or they can vote me constantly and suffer if I'm on there side as a power role. As for our current circumstances I say it's best if we all just random lynch or do a no lynch.

The guy actually suggests a random lynch and a no lynch in the same post. If TheHerkMan hadn't played in this game he probably would already have been lynched on day 1. Why are you so reluctant on this day?

i have nothing else to add, at the moment i dont see a single reason for unvote him, but if he makes a good defense ill be the first to unvote, i am not about to lose a power role out of stubbornness.

[ga7]

Alright, first I want to say that Drew's behaviour has brought nothing on his favour but just seeing how he got wagoned in less than a day it's pretty damn obvious there's scum on it and I doubt he's the most likely scum, so I'd like to leave it aside for now because I noticed several very odd things rereading.

Final Vote Count

Mr. Squirrel: 2 votes ( Vioiet, theherkman)

Victor Sullivan: 1 vote (???)

Fircoal: 1 vote (Haggis_McMutton)

ga7: 1 vote (xuereb)

theherkman: 8 votes (Victor Sullivan, Fircoal, ga7, aage, Mr. Squirrel, spiesr, FloresDelMal, DrewDude)

Vote count

DrewDude 5 Votes: FloresDelMal, Victor Sullivan, Haggis_McMutton, jeraado, aage

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch

Flores, Victor, Aage were on both. Notice how Flores was the one to put at l-1 Herk :

and about the deadline, i really believe that no lynch hurts town more than a mislynch, so i could go for the person with most votes.

The deadline is due tomorrow so be quick about it...

well, he was really active before, and since the BW started he vanished, and the deadline is getting near so vote the herk, if you are townie improve your defense right now, you are a L-1

Basically the deadline was in less than a day, Herk had been not posting, and we know full well someone would have hammered regardless to avoid a no lynch. Flores even advocates it there, then at day break:

anyway ill start the day by pointing to the unnecessary hammering of herk, when we still had one more day to go, seriously the guy basically critics me for putting herk at L-1, and then goes and hammers him, talk about being inconsequential vote DrewDude

But the first part of her post is actually the more interesting:

i think even thought we had no deaths, we cant start to congratulate each other, it might have been due to Xmas, you know, ppl being too busy for sending their night actions,

This is very scummy to me, as it provides as only reason as to why there was no kill something that was not related to actions (either a doc protecting the right person or more importantly a roleblocker targeting mafia) but some lousy RL activity BS! This translates to me as "Hey, whoever failed our kill, don't do it again I assure you we just didn't send an action".

This impression is even reinforced by her next post:

i do see from where you are going, and i think you are most likely right, but in the very marginal case that the herk wasn't OMGUSing could be cool if an investigative role target Mr. Squirrel tonight, better safe than sorry.

theherkman; Aspiring cook (Town Roleblocker/Unaware delusional poisoner) has been lynched

delusional

Classic scum move trying to direct the cop's action where it's harmless. Suggesting such action and giving any credence to Herk's claim when such was his role is beyond far fetched, it's anti-town.

The addendum Flores just made to her case doesn't inspire me any confidence as it's basically asking for a claim.

Vote Flores

[aage]

So now there's Fircoal and Frenchie claiming that Drewdude is scummy because he's a noob?

Woah this wagon was so scummy it even looks like a mafia ploy. Gonna read up now...

Reading problems?

Fircoal says Drew acts like that because he's a noob. You seem to agree with him. Where's the reading problem? Unless of course you're not agreeing with him and you're referring to DrewDude with "this wagon". In that case there is an interpretation problem

As for your case, it is solid. Once DrewDude comes back and gives a good reason not to lynch him it defenitely deserves some attention.

[DrewDude]

Unvote me and take a look at Flore's votes the next time / reveals them and it will explain all that you need to know about me.

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Vote count

DrewDude 5 Votes: FloresDelMal, Victor Sullivan, Haggis_McMutton, jeraado, aage
FloresDelMal 3 votes : DrewDude, ga7, ???



With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch

[FloresDelMal]

i can accept that the first part of the frenchy's post might hold some water, even thought is pretty much grasping at straws therefor the only thing i can say is, that i am only responsible for my own actions, that means that i cant not offer any explanation to the incrimination he did of aage and victor, thought none of them has strike me as particularly scummy, perhaps aage was following my lead because he is my bff, who knows

i think even thought we had no deaths, we cant start to congratulate each other, it might have been due to Xmas, you know, ppl being too busy for sending their night actions,

This is very scummy to me, as it provides as only reason as to why there was no kill something that was not related to actions (either a doc protecting the right person or more importantly a roleblocker targeting mafia) but some lousy RL activity BS! This translates to me as "Hey, whoever failed our kill, don't do it again I assure you we just didn't send an action".

seriously how is this scummy ? and from where did you got that WFT extrapolation, usually even when you use flawed logic i can see from where you are coming from, but here? i really don't get it, please explain; is it really that far fetched to think that night actions might have been skipped during Xmas when most games hit their lowest activity point and most ppl is happily enjoying of family time? not everyone is careless as you, getting my Xmas present only at the very last moment by mail when you were fully aware that the mail was delayed due the snow in France, some ppl actually got out of their asses and made REAL Xmas preparations, and therefor they were busy, you Grinch, you even let our cocktail food burn for being hooked on cc, for the good of humankind i expect not everyone be as hooked as you are.

This impression is even reinforced by her next post:

i do see from where you are going, and i think you are most likely right, but in the very marginal case that the herk wasn't OMGUSing could be cool if an investigative role target Mr. Squirrel tonight, better safe than sorry.

theherkman; Aspiring cook (Town Roleblocker/Unaware delusional poisoner) has been lynched

delusional

Classic scum move trying to direct the cop's action where it's harmless. Suggesting such action and giving any credence to Herk's claim when such was his role is beyond far fetched, it's anti-town.

The addendum Flores just made to her case doesn't inspire me any confidence as it's basically asking for a claim.

Vote Flores

classic scum move? that's just classic me, i am arrogant and i always had strong opinions, and i say out loud what i think is the right thing to do and then i cross my fingers and i hope it might get taken into consideration for the right person, like this is the very first time i pop like something like this, seriously *sighs* when we learned that he was a delusional roleblocker poisoner, and the scene explained how bad his cooking was, and how proud he was of it, i thought it was OBVIOUS that the delusional part made reference to that, to him believing that his cooking rocked, while it was spoiled, and his roleblocking was working by giving food poisoning to ppl; who then obviously couldn't leave the toilette's, now you, being the talented and smart player that you are, purposefully twisting and extrapolating the interpretation of "Delusional", for detract attention of Mr. Squirrel, makes me think that this whole charade is your way of protect him, to avoid an investigation on him, because somehow could hurt you, maybe you are town and he is your lover/sibling, maybe you both are scum or third party, if you were masons you could have nothing to fear, whatever it is, i don't believe that you could be a misguided townie.

FOS ga7
FOS Mr. Squirrel

Unvote me and take a look at Flore's votes the next time / reveals them and it will explain all that you need to know about me.

and this is another of the brilliant and substantial defenses of the guy who is at L-2, sure lets unvote him because he said so *cringes* this is seriously ticking me off.

[Mr. Squirrel]

Well, drew's defense has been next to nothing and I am dissatisfied with that. Drew, rather than telling us to look at her votes. Just spell out whatever you are trying to say. No one wants to decipher your little hints.


As to the marital tiff going on between flores and ga7, this is a little more interesting. Ga7 makes plenty of valid arguments toward flores. Heck, I'll even vote flores. The second half of ga7's argument is less convincing, more hope than fact, but the first half does show some hypocrisy in flores' argument. Worthy of the vote in my opinion.

now you, being the talented and smart player that you are, purposefully twisting and extrapolating the interpretation of "Delusional", for detract attention of Mr. Squirrel, makes me think that this whole charade is your way of protect him, to avoid an investigation on him, because somehow could hurt you, maybe you are town and he is your lover/sibling, maybe you both are scum or third party, if you were masons you could have nothing to fear, whatever it is, i don't believe that you could be a misguided townie.

FOS ga7
FOS Mr. Squirrel

I figure since this mentions me I should at least give my opinion on it. I have no linked role with ga7. I don't that he was at all trying to defend me whatsoever. If he was, then I do not know why... buddying maybe. However to me it seems like his comment is more to try to set up his case against you than anything. He made a valid point at the beginning of his post, about you being hypocritical, and it seems to me like he is just trying to add fuel to the fire against you. His second point is hardly convincing and really can only be taken seriously after reading the first, valid point. It doesn't add much, but it makes his argument seem a little more valid.

Classic scum move trying to direct the cop's action where it's harmless.

This insinuates that I am town, which brings to question why he would know this. Maybe ga7 is scum trying to start a second, less scummy wagon. However that is just speculation. I will stick with his argument against flores until that seems to be through.

Until then FOS the both of you. Flores more than ga7 though

[spiesr]

Well, drew's defense has been next to nothing and I am dissatisfied with that. Drew, rather than telling us to look at her votes. Just spell out whatever you are trying to say. No one wants to decipher your little hints.

His defense was to claim the extra ??? vote as his own. This implies that his role is Double Voter, or maybe Politician. Obviously if someone else actually placed that vote they should counter this claim so that we know that he is lying, but since he told us where to look before that vote count was posted then I am pretty confidant that it is his vote. As for alignment, it is at least theoretically possible for one of those roles to be scum aligned, but it seems unlikely as such a role could be overpowering for the scum to have. So at this point we may just have to assume that he is most likely town, although rather unhelpful...
As for where to go now, Drewdude is OMGUSing flores, but now ga7 is trying to make a real case against her. Is it worth following up? Maybe, it is not like we have a lot else to work with right now...

[Fircoal]

So now there's Fircoal and Frenchie claiming that Drewdude is scummy because he's a noob?

Woah this wagon was so scummy it even looks like a mafia ploy. Gonna read up now...

Reading problems?

True, Fir was the only one claiming he wasn't scummy or at least not warranting a bandwagon. The fact remains though that Drew can't expect to post once every 2 or so pages and expect to get by.

Um Drew has basically posted once a day besides a couple of days. I don’t think that really is scumarining especially in this climate. And his posts are not sensfan length posts but actually decent posts. On the other hand where are xuereb and Voilet. Calling Drew a scumariner with these two around really doesn’t make much sense. Sounds like you’re trying to pick an easy target (without actually doing anything.) Fos: Safari

btw i dont think that the chu is being scummy, if anything i think he is being naive, and overly kind to a "noob", prolly i could be more of a softy with him if i actually believed him to be a noob, but the guy might be new to CC mafia, but not to mafia in general, and he admited it openly very early on the game, which i admit, triggered immediately my scum radar, and here is that post that aage was helpful enough to quote

It triggered your radar yet you said nothing about it at the time? That doesn’t really sound very town like to me. I think you’re trying to boost up that you were always thinking of him as scum to bring more credit to your weak wagon.

But the first part of her post is actually the more interesting:

i think even thought we had no deaths, we cant start to congratulate each other, it might have been due to Xmas, you know, ppl being too busy for sending their night actions,

This is very scummy to me, as it provides as only reason as to why there was no kill something that was not related to actions (either a doc protecting the right person or more importantly a roleblocker targeting mafia) but some lousy RL activity BS! This translates to me as "Hey, whoever failed our kill, don't do it again I assure you we just didn't send an action".

I personally think that it is scummy for a different reason. What if the mafia did send in a kill but they did get blocked or their target protected. I think she may be trying to shift the blame onto people who weren’t ON MSN FOR A GOOD 4 HOURS DURING THE NIGHT. It’s safe to say if the action were in the hands of Flores, it would have happened. (You could say the same for me but I’m a lazy git.)

This impression is even reinforced by her next post:

i do see from where you are going, and i think you are most likely right, but in the very marginal case that the herk wasn't OMGUSing could be cool if an investigative role target Mr. Squirrel tonight, better safe than sorry.

theherkman; Aspiring cook (Town Roleblocker/Unaware delusional poisoner) has been lynched

delusional

Classic scum move trying to direct the cop's action where it's harmless. Suggesting such action and giving any credence to Herk's claim when such was his role is beyond far fetched, it's anti-town.

The addendum Flores just made to her case doesn't inspire me any confidence as it's basically asking for a claim.

Vote Flores

I can just imagine the scene at Frenchie-chan’s house. Flores holding a can of straws over Frenchie’s head and him desperately trying to grab one. X3 However I am surprised that Flores thinks that anything Herk says is worth a grain of salt. Shall we look at the thread full of Herk jokes?

So now there's Fircoal and Frenchie claiming that Drewdude is scummy because he's a noob?

Woah this wagon was so scummy it even looks like a mafia ploy. Gonna read up now...

Reading problems?

Fircoal says Drew acts like that because he's a noob. You seem to agree with him. Where's the reading problem? Unless of course you're not agreeing with him and you're referring to DrewDude with "this wagon". In that case there is an interpretation problem

As for your case, it is solid. Once DrewDude comes back and gives a good reason not to lynch him it defenitely deserves some attention.

The wagon could be scummy without him thinking that Drew is scummy because he’s a noob. Ever hear of the scummier of the two scummies? (Mandy is the scummier for all those interested ;3)

Also I like how you say that his argue is valid but you say to deal with it later. I have a feeling this is like I’m asked to do something and I’m like “Yea, yea, I’ll do it later.” But later comes and it doesn’t happen. Sadly the things aren’t always forgotten D:

i can accept that the first part of the frenchy's post might hold some water, even thought is pretty much grasping at straws therefor the only thing i can say is, that i am only responsible for my own actions, that means that i cant not offer any explanation to the incrimination he did of aage and victor, thought none of them has strike me as particularly scummy, perhaps aage was following my lead because he is my bff, who knows

I like how you don’t defend yourself against it or explain the reason behind your actions. It kinda lets the stronger part of the argument die and let you focus on the weaker parts. Also of course you don’t find Aage or Victor scummy. They’re doing the same things as you are!

is it really that far fetched to think that night actions might have been skipped during Xmas when most games hit their lowest activity point and most ppl is happily enjoying of family time? not everyone is careless as you, getting my Xmas present only at the very last moment by mail when you were fully aware that the mail was delayed due the snow in France, some ppl actually got out of their asses and made REAL Xmas preparations, and therefor they were busy, you Grinch, you even let our cocktail food burn for being hooked on cc, for the good of humankind i expect not everyone be as hooked as you are.

I love you Flores. <3

This impression is even reinforced by her next post:

i do see from where you are going, and i think you are most likely right, but in the very marginal case that the herk wasn't OMGUSing could be cool if an investigative role target Mr. Squirrel tonight, better safe than sorry.

theherkman; Aspiring cook (Town Roleblocker/Unaware delusional poisoner) has been lynched

delusional

Classic scum move trying to direct the cop's action where it's harmless. Suggesting such action and giving any credence to Herk's claim when such was his role is beyond far fetched, it's anti-town.

The addendum Flores just made to her case doesn't inspire me any confidence as it's basically asking for a claim.

Vote Flores

classic scum move? that's just classic me, i am arrogant and i always had strong opinions, and i say out loud what i think is the right thing to do and then i cross my fingers and i hope it might get taken into consideration for the right person, like this is the very first time i pop like something like this, seriously *sighs* when we learned that he was a delusional roleblocker poisoner, and the scene explained how bad his cooking was, and how proud he was of it, i thought it was OBVIOUS that the delusional part made reference to that, to him believing that his cooking rocked, while it was spoiled, and his roleblocking was working by giving food poisoning to ppl; who then obviously couldn't leave the toilette's, now you, being the talented and smart player that you are, purposefully twisting and extrapolating the interpretation of "Delusional", for detract attention of Mr. Squirrel, makes me think that this whole charade is your way of protect him, to avoid an investigation on him, because somehow could hurt you, maybe you are town and he is your lover/sibling, maybe you both are scum or third party, if you were masons you could have nothing to fear, whatever it is, i don't believe that you could be a misguided townie.

FOS ga7
FOS Mr. Squirrel

It is true that Frenchie-chan was very twisty with his words in scummy ways but it does not explain why you’d listen to HERKYDERKY. Am I gonna have to point out the thread of Herk jokes again?

Unvote me and take a look at Flore's votes the next time / reveals them and it will explain all that you need to know about me.

and this is another of the brilliant and substantial defenses of the guy who is at L-2, sure lets unvote him because he said so *cringes* this is seriously ticking me off.

I agree. He’s distracting us from hunting scum! D:<

Classic scum move trying to direct the cop's action where it's harmless.

This insinuates that I am town, which brings to question why he would know this. Maybe ga7 is scum trying to start a second, less scummy wagon. However that is just speculation. I will stick with his argument against flores until that seems to be through.

Until then FOS the both of you. Flores more than ga7 though

Or it could be that listening to Herkyderky like this makes no sense at all? I mean, the cop has better more scummy people to investigate than the #1 man on Herkyderky's enemy of the week list. Also, Why are you pointing suspicious that he thinks you're odd. That is odd to say the least.

I hope you’re all happy, you just gave me a long distraction from the hw I should be doing. >:C

[safariguy5]

Wow, the things you learn on mafia...I had no idea about Flores and ga7. Has there been a game where they've been given lover roles randomly? Anyways, I have a problem with that rather lengthy post fir. On the one hand, you're basically giving Drew a pass for admittedly playing rather scummily as he has said himself and which has been quoted a couple times. However, you then turn around and say that any judgments based on herk's rather scummy play should immediately be discounted. Isn't that a bit of a double standard? How are we supposed to separate the "harmless" scummy behavior from the "serious" scummy behavior?

[jeraado]

Sorry fircoal but your post is too long to get through at the moment - I'll have to come back to it when I'm a little more alert.

So Drewdude has made a (half-assed) claim. Unless someone counterclaims that suggests he's town so for now unvote

I really hope this isn't how you plan to play the whole game though, drew. If you actually are town you're just making it harder for us to actually root out the scum. At this risk of someone taking this the wrong way, if you're only power is double-voting then at this stage I wouldn't be entirely unhappy if you were incorrectly lynched.

I'm gonna come back to this in a bit to think through next best suspects. Time for a bit of a re-read and review of the voters methinks.

[aage]

unvote
Naturally there's also scum politicians but since we already killed the roleblocker who was not scum it's probably best to believe him.

I have to ask though, ga7, why are you quoting "delusional" in such big bold letters? You say:

Classic scum move trying to direct the cop's action where it's harmless. Suggesting such action and giving any credence to Herk's claim when such was his role is beyond far fetched, it's anti-town.

I think you would have done a better job if you'd quoted:

unaware

Really, do explain.

[FloresDelMal]

btw i dont think that the chu is being scummy, if anything i think he is being naive, and overly kind to a "noob", prolly i could be more of a softy with him if i actually believed him to be a noob, but the guy might be new to CC mafia, but not to mafia in general, and he admited it openly very early on the game, which i admit, triggered immediately my scum radar, and here is that post that aage was helpful enough to quote

It triggered your radar yet you said nothing about it at the time? That doesn’t really sound very town like to me. I think you’re trying to boost up that you were always thinking of him as scum to bring more credit to your weak wagon.

I can't say I've played any games with other people on here but what I like to do is a thing called act scummy. It without a doubt gets me lynched a lot but over time people accept my ways or they can vote me constantly and suffer if I'm on there side as a power role. As for our current circumstances I say it's best if we all just random lynch or do a no lynch.

no lynch only helps scum,the town need lynches in order to get information and advance, since most of us cant rely on night actions for shade light into the matters, and also a player who says "oh i always act scummy whether i'm scum or not, so ppl must get used to ignore my scummy behavior or suffer the consequences because i might be a power role" is just showing how selfish and mediocre it is, a player like that is never an asset to town because not only mislead town, but hurt it from the inside, we already have to take care of scum, we don't need to deal with this kind of BS, without mention that putting this little comment out there could work as a preventive move for claim innocence when you do start to even scummier, i don't like it at all FOS drewdude

this is me calling this on page 9 when most ppl was distracted by the herk's over reaction on squirrel, in which i took squirrel's side, so you really cant say i didn't pointed it out at that time chu, i don't appreciate your baseless accusation, but i know you are too lazy for re-read, and memory is not bulletproof so i suppose i can chalk it up to that.

I love you Flores. <3

love you too baby if at least made you laugh i suppose is not so bad, anyway sorry for the outburst about Xmas on french men land, the moment i hit enter i felt quite silly, but i am still a bit scorned by how our Xmas eve ended up, i didn't felt very supported on our first dinner hosted for the family, anyway the moment i hit enter i felt tempted of edit, no one was around at that hour, but is not like i could break the rules after being preachy just to safe face, so my excuses to all on this point, please feel free to ignore that part of my post.

It is true that Frenchie-chan was very twisty with his words in scummy ways but it does not explain why you’d listen to HERKYDERKY. Am I gonna have to point out the thread of Herk jokes again?

i'd hear him because even a broken clock get the hour right twice a day, and he spout so much bs, that is quite easy to discredit him because who he is, that is a fallacy ad hominem, a flaw on logic, and as i said, as much as i dislike the herk's flaming paranoid side, i prefer be safe than sorry.

I like how you don’t defend yourself against it or explain the reason behind your actions. It kinda lets the stronger part of the argument die and let you focus on the weaker parts. Also of course you don’t find Aage or Victor scummy. They’re doing the same things as you are!

oh and btw i don't address it particularly because i think i have justified every single one of my votes on this game, and the circumstantial case he put against me is based on my votes, since my arguments are already out there for anyone who wants to see them, and i have already made like 500 quotes, ill let someone else do the quoting this time.

[Fircoal]

btw i dont think that the chu is being scummy, if anything i think he is being naive, and overly kind to a "noob", prolly i could be more of a softy with him if i actually believed him to be a noob, but the guy might be new to CC mafia, but not to mafia in general, and he admited it openly very early on the game, which i admit, triggered immediately my scum radar, and here is that post that aage was helpful enough to quote

It triggered your radar yet you said nothing about it at the time? That doesn’t really sound very town like to me. I think you’re trying to boost up that you were always thinking of him as scum to bring more credit to your weak wagon.

I can't say I've played any games with other people on here but what I like to do is a thing called act scummy. It without a doubt gets me lynched a lot but over time people accept my ways or they can vote me constantly and suffer if I'm on there side as a power role. As for our current circumstances I say it's best if we all just random lynch or do a no lynch.

no lynch only helps scum,the town need lynches in order to get information and advance, since most of us cant rely on night actions for shade light into the matters, and also a player who says "oh i always act scummy whether i'm scum or not, so ppl must get used to ignore my scummy behavior or suffer the consequences because i might be a power role" is just showing how selfish and mediocre it is, a player like that is never an asset to town because not only mislead town, but hurt it from the inside, we already have to take care of scum, we don't need to deal with this kind of BS, without mention that putting this little comment out there could work as a preventive move for claim innocence when you do start to even scummier, i don't like it at all FOS drewdude

this is me calling this on page 9 when most ppl was distracted by the herk's over reaction on squirrel, in which i took squirrel's side, so you really cant say i didn't pointed it out at that time chu, i don't appreciate your baseless accusation, but i know you are too lazy for re-read, and memory is not bulletproof so i suppose i can chalk it up to that.

Sorry ^^;;; I thought you hadn't. I retract my statement. (so much to look up you know xwx;;;; )

I love you Flores. <3

love you too baby if at least made you laugh i suppose is not so bad, anyway sorry for the outburst about Xmas on french men land, the moment i hit enter i felt quite silly, but i am still a bit scorned by how our Xmas eve ended up, i didn't felt very supported on our first dinner hosted for the family, anyway the moment i hit enter i felt tempted of edit, no one was around at that hour, but is not like i could break the rules after being preachy just to safe face, so my excuses to all on this point, please feel free to ignore that part of my post.

It still was funny x3

It is true that Frenchie-chan was very twisty with his words in scummy ways but it does not explain why you’d listen to HERKYDERKY. Am I gonna have to point out the thread of Herk jokes again?

i'd hear him because even a broken clock get the hour right twice a day, and he spout so much bs, that is quite easy to discredit him because who he is, that is a fallacy ad hominem, a flaw on logic, and as i said, as much as i dislike the herk's flaming paranoid side, i prefer be safe than sorry.

Honestly I think that knowing Herk it's likely that he's just doing it because he's enraged. It's good to be better safe than sorry but we have limited investigations, and more people look scummy than Squirrelly Whirly Fuzzykins. I think the investigation should be based off the scummy and not the Herky.[/quote]

[Fircoal]

Wow, the things you learn on mafia...I had no idea about Flores and ga7. Has there been a game where they've been given lover roles randomly? Anyways, I have a problem with that rather lengthy post fir. On the one hand, you're basically giving Drew a pass for admittedly playing rather scummily as he has said himself and which has been quoted a couple times. However, you then turn around and say that any judgments based on herk's rather scummy play should immediately be discounted. Isn't that a bit of a double standard? How are we supposed to separate the "harmless" scummy behavior from the "serious" scummy behavior?

I'm confused at what you mean....

[Haggis_McMutton]

Does no one else want more info about Drew's double voter thing?

Namely, I'd like some backstory. Who are you, why do you have a double vote that kind of stuff.
I find that backstory is harder to fabricate and I'm guessing can't really help scum even if it is revealed.

[ga7]

Fircoal says Drew acts like that because he's a noob. You seem to agree with him. Where's the reading problem? Unless of course you're not agreeing with him and you're referring to DrewDude with "this wagon". In that case there is an interpretation problem

I mention the wagon being scummy, I didn't refer not anything about Drew's noobness. The guy is obviously new at mafia but that's irrelevant to the way this wagon happened since it was spawned only by his hammer.

Unvote me and take a look at Flore's votes the next time / reveals them and it will explain all that you need to know about me.

It's fairly obvious Drew would be town based on this, so as I thought it was just a clumsy hammering post. Still not finding the quick wagon on town scummy? Or the 3 people on both wagons, which include you?

As for Flores' answer, lol for shame... The only thing I get from it is that I did strike a nerve because resorting to RL rambling to make a point is quite poor. I'll just state to clear my good name that I wasn't on CC during xmas preparations and that your present was ordered well in advance Don't worry though I won't let you burn, but I'll certainly grill you till you're a tender and juicy scummy fish
Fact remains that if there's a "true" roleblocker, he should keep doing what he has done which is precisely why your insight about RL activity is scummy, since it downtones the no kill to something that likely isn't related to night actions.

I dunno why people take the second part of my post as grasping at straws when it's precisely an irrevocable point. It's one thing to give credence to Herk, and another to ignore his role. I won't bother answering to Flores' extrapolation because she's just using an attack-back tactic instead of actually answering it. I don't know Squirrel's alignment, what I do know is that Herk threw a tantrum at him and that Herk's role was delusional poisoner. So even if you don't believe in the 95% chance Herk just made it up because he was "upset" at Squirrel's accusation since he never mentioned it or voted Squirrel before being accused and then only claimed that when he had been hammered, in the 5% chance that such a thing like "Squirrel is scum" was actually included in his role (and feel free to give me examples as to how it ever happened that some random town role got a free scum like this) the fact he was "delusional" as per his role makes it irrelevant. / puts some care in his roles and fitting his theme, so you can come up with an actual reason why the aspiring cook could have such info if it wasn't related to him being delusional. The only mechanism I think could work is if Herk had a secondary objective of lyncher if Squirrel is the main cook or something akin to that. One thing you seem to have misinterpreted is the poisoner part, / can correct me if it worked different here but a poisoner's targets die the next night. So he was roleblocking then killing, his hidden role could have hurt the town a whole lot.

Yet Flores specifically asks for the cop to investigate Squirrel "to be safe", on day 2. Smart scum do this all the time, but in this present case I find there is a lot going to actually blame the scum who does it. Now that Drew basically claimed (for the subtlety-impaired players, spiesr said it all) I find my case even more warranted, although other wagonners deserve a look too.


Btw yes Saf some silly chu gave lovers to us once I'm pretty sure, although it might have been in a rt.

[DrewDude]

In my eyes I've helped you pick out the sheeps and bandwagoners that need to be interrogated instead of myself. I can be a little useful in my own ways.


Also thanks for understanding my soft-claim.

[safariguy5]

Wow, the things you learn on mafia...I had no idea about Flores and ga7. Has there been a game where they've been given lover roles randomly? Anyways, I have a problem with that rather lengthy post fir. On the one hand, you're basically giving Drew a pass for admittedly playing rather scummily as he has said himself and which has been quoted a couple times. However, you then turn around and say that any judgments based on herk's rather scummy play should immediately be discounted. Isn't that a bit of a double standard? How are we supposed to separate the "harmless" scummy behavior from the "serious" scummy behavior?

I'm confused at what you mean....

What I was saying was that generally, scummy behavior warrants suspicion. This was demonstrated by the herk acting all OMGUS and getting lynched as a result. On the other hand, we have drew who said that he acts scummy in his games and we are giving him a free pass. Granted today, we have more information as well as a couple people who haven't come back and post yet, but I believe any scummy behavior shouldn't go unnoticed. In my conclusion, the bandwagon was not unjustified on Drew. It was simply several people noticing that Drew had some scummy posts and deserved some pressure.

vote VioIet for not posting. Also, FOS xuereb for the same. Prod or replace IMHO.

[aage]

*post*

You are ignoring the post I made on the previous page which practically destroys your argument about "delusional".
He. Was. Unaware. Of. It.
There is a reason all of this is not posted in blue, but rather in black in /'s end-of-day post.

As for flores' "attack back, answer questions later" tactics, you're doing the same to me.
Read this:
viewtopic.php?f=213&t=132432&start=225#p2935489
I'll even add some explanation.

I think that he would have roleblocked anyone who he targeted with his night action. On top of that the person would be poisoned. But he doesn't know, since he's unaware. So night 1 his target is roleblocked, night 2 the target dies.
I agree that it's a good thing that we lost him (or at least I gather from your post that it was a good thing to do) but I don't see how the people on that wagon were scummy. Looking at the evidence it was a good enough case to start off with, and I don't expect anyone to come knocking on our door on day 2 saying "hi guys, I'm mafia".

So even if you don't believe in the 95% chance Herk just made it up because he was "upset" at Squirrel's accusation since he never mentioned it or voted Squirrel before being accused and then only claimed that when he had been hammered, in the 5% chance that such a thing like "Squirrel is scum" was actually included in his role (and feel free to give me examples as to how it ever happened that some random town role got a free scum like this)

Which I already pointed out...

[aage]

what I do know is that Herk threw a tantrum at him and that Herk's role was delusional poisoner.

This was wat I was talking about in the other post. This is not a reason. If Herk had been aware of his role it would have been a reason, but since he was not, this is a flawed argument.

[Fircoal]

Wow, the things you learn on mafia...I had no idea about Flores and ga7. Has there been a game where they've been given lover roles randomly? Anyways, I have a problem with that rather lengthy post fir. On the one hand, you're basically giving Drew a pass for admittedly playing rather scummily as he has said himself and which has been quoted a couple times. However, you then turn around and say that any judgments based on herk's rather scummy play should immediately be discounted. Isn't that a bit of a double standard? How are we supposed to separate the "harmless" scummy behavior from the "serious" scummy behavior?

I'm confused at what you mean....

What I was saying was that generally, scummy behavior warrants suspicion. This was demonstrated by the herk acting all OMGUS and getting lynched as a result. On the other hand, we have drew who said that he acts scummy in his games and we are giving him a free pass. Granted today, we have more information as well as a couple people who haven't come back and post yet, but I believe any scummy behavior shouldn't go unnoticed. In my conclusion, the bandwagon was not unjustified on Drew. It was simply several people noticing that Drew had some scummy posts and deserved some pressure.

vote VioIet for not posting. Also, FOS xuereb for the same. Prod or replace IMHO.

But the bandwagon that was made is way more pressure than what Drew warranted. I've already admitted that 2 votes would have made sense, but 5 votes in a row is just too quick and too scummy. And shouldn't we focus on the scummiest first and not the weaker cases? The bandwagonning of Drew is much scummier than what he did himself. Thusly I am focusing on it.

[Fircoal]

*post*

You are ignoring the post I made on the previous page which practically destroys your argument about "delusional".
He. Was. Unaware. Of. It.
There is a reason all of this is not posted in blue, but rather in black in /'s end-of-day post.

As for flores' "attack back, answer questions later" tactics, you're doing the same to me.
Read this:
viewtopic.php?f=213&t=132432&start=225#p2935489
I'll even add some explanation.

I think that he would have roleblocked anyone who he targeted with his night action. On top of that the person would be poisoned. But he doesn't know, since he's unaware. So night 1 his target is roleblocked, night 2 the target dies.
I agree that it's a good thing that we lost him (or at least I gather from your post that it was a good thing to do) but I don't see how the people on that wagon were scummy. Looking at the evidence it was a good enough case to start off with, and I don't expect anyone to come knocking on our door on day 2 saying "hi guys, I'm mafia".

So even if you don't believe in the 95% chance Herk just made it up because he was "upset" at Squirrel's accusation since he never mentioned it or voted Squirrel before being accused and then only claimed that when he had been hammered, in the 5% chance that such a thing like "Squirrel is scum" was actually included in his role (and feel free to give me examples as to how it ever happened that some random town role got a free scum like this)

Which I already pointed out...

I'm confused as to why it matters that Herk didn't know he was desulional. Besides isn't that what we all assumed. (before he was even in this game too)

[aage]

I'm confused as to why it matters that Herk didn't know he was desulional. Besides isn't that what we all assumed. (before he was even in this game too)

Yes we already assumed it but even then, he is unaware

AS to why it matters, the paragraph still isn't making all that much sense to me but it's making more sense every time I reread it. Looks like most of the previous post has been pretty much nonsense. Never mind it.

Still I disagree why the wagon was scummier than the guy who has been a hypocrit all day 1.

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reservation list

DrewDude, Party of 3: FloresDelMal, Victor Sullivan, Haggis_McMutton

FloresDelMal, Party of 4: DrewDude, ga7, ???, Mr. Squirrel

VioIet, Party of 1: safariguy5


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