INTO THE DEEP (COMPLETE - Mafia Win !!)

[Skoffin]

So apparently the mod doesn't actually consider the act of poisoning a kill action. I disagree but that's besides the point. It basically means I couldn't heal Blacky twice in one night so if he visited Rage Night 2, he should have been poisoned again (It still doesn't answer why I was told my extra bonus condition which was supposed to be only told to me after I had succeeded in my first but at this point I'm leaning mod mistake until I've been informed otherwise). So either Blacky is telling the truth about N2 and we still have the poison-> role block contradiction with Blacky and Buj or Blacky is lying about what happened N2.

How does it not being a kill asction or not change anything though? I'm also amazed you got a straight answer out of the mod as everything I've asked so far has more or less been left still vaguely understood. I'd trust Buj over blackys claims though.

[TX AG 90]

So apparently the mod doesn't actually consider the act of poisoning a kill action. I disagree but that's besides the point. It basically means I couldn't heal Blacky twice in one night so if he visited Rage Night 2, he should have been poisoned again (It still doesn't answer why I was told my extra bonus condition which was supposed to be only told to me after I had succeeded in my first but at this point I'm leaning mod mistake until I've been informed otherwise). So either Blacky is telling the truth about N2 and we still have the poison-> role block contradiction with Blacky and Buj or Blacky is lying about what happened N2.

Apologies for being thick... can you explain why my N2 action is causing a problem? I dont see where Buj claimed differently.

Yeah, I'm confused too.

Blacky said that he wasn't able to perform an action the night after being poisoned. Buj stated that this wasn't the case for him. It's a contradiction on the effects of poisoning. Blacky said that he had tried to visit Rage N2, I had used this as a possible reason he didn't receive an action result N2 "due to having been poisoned" since Rages ability would have prevented it and I visited him and possibly healed him again. The mod clarified that this wouldn't be the case so that explanation doesn't fit.

Ok i get where you are coming from.
It could simply be the case that my poisoning was slightly different to BUJ
Perhaps i was hit twice (by JFM & Rage) so needed longer to recover?
Truth is I dont know why I would be different, and I guess we wont know until the game is over and we can study the mechanics of each night,

I was hit by jfm N1

[Skoffin]

^So blacky was hit by rage twice, or rage and scum? Would there be different effects from poisons though

Anyway guys are we really going to no lynch today?

[TX AG 90]

^So blacky was hit by rage twice, or rage and scum? Would there be different effects from poisons though

Anyway guys are we really going to no lynch today?

Can we request an extension?

This is the one day I think we need a lynch. I never bandwagonned the other days because I thought we were rushing. But, we are close enough to LyLo that I don't think we can stand pat. Better to make a mistake than to end the game passively.

[TX AG 90]

Vote blacky

[TX AG 90]

Vote blacky

Vote blacky

[TX AG 90]

Vote blacky

Vote blacky

No big reason, but many little ones:

1. I've never been scum before instead of I've never been scum
2. The whole bumped into, got bumped into word play - I don't by that he thinks they are the same thing. I think he got caught in a lie and tried to retcon after the fact
3. Poisoning discrepancies
4. He was in chap's Group B and Ragian's 50/50

It concerns me that chap is not defending himself, but I don't see how scum would fail to even show up and let themselves be autolynched. I have to believe something else is going on.

It doesn't clear him of being scum, but I don't think we should lynch just because of his non-response.

[Sirius Kase]

This game sure has died. When the other game started up, I didn't join because I didn't think I could handle the distraction of participating in two games. now it appears Razor can't handle it either. He's been uncooperative in that game ever since he became a lynch target. Maybe they will hurry up and we can get our moderator back.

[Ragian]

Could we have an extension, please, to sort out if Chap will return?

[Razorvich]

Day 5 EXTENDED TO: CC Time: 2019-05-17 05:59:59

[Sirius Kase]

UNVOTE NO LYNCH

[Sirius Kase]

Vote blacky

No big reason, but many little ones:

1. I've never been scum before instead of I've never been scum
2. The whole bumped into, got bumped into word play - I don't by that he thinks they are the same thing. I think he got caught in a lie and tried to retcon after the fact
3. Poisoning discrepancies
4. He was in chap's Group B and Ragian's 50/50

That's a good list. All details, picky details, but that's probably where the scum tells hide. I'd like to focus on #1 for a moment. Blacky was answering a question you posed about how scum communicate. Everyone noticed the part in the parenthesis and mostly ignored his answer to your question. Only an idiot would have openly confessed to being scum. Unless we want to debate whether he's an idiot, we need to focus on his primary statement about how scum communicates.

1. Why would Blacky answer about something he has no first hand experience with. Are independent scum message groups the norm or was Blacky just speculating?
2. Are there clues in gameplay, ie, would gameplay be noticeably different if an ISMG was in use?
3. Any other questions that might be easier to deal with if we ignore the phrase in parenthesis.

By all, means, we are allowed to lynch Blacky for being an idiot, if that's a sufficient fault, but we must consider his entire answer, and how he has handled TX AG 90's points 2, 3, and 4.

For Reference:

Question for the group.

Are scum allowed to communicate with each other outside of voting on a night target? Or do they have to communicate openly on this board?

In other words, if Scum A used an ability to find out what Townie B's abilities are, could they message the rest of their scum buddy's?

I believe they can. I'm relatively new (and I have never been scum before) but I believe they have a messaging group independent of this thread where they communicate.

Of course there is still the chapcrap question. Real life might be keeping him away. Or, maybe not.

[ZaBeast]

For someone who says he's reading past games you don't seem to know how they work Sirius
At the end of the game the mod almost invariably posts a link to the scum chat

[Sirius Kase]

Thanks, hadn't noticed. Didn't think to look. At end of thread?

[Sirius Kase]

For someone who says he's reading past games you don't seem to know how they work Sirius
At the end of the game the mod almost invariably posts a link to the scum chat

What I read depends on what I'm researching. It's not like picking up a book and reading every word, including the footnotes. I search for a topic of interest. I don't think all the mods post a link at the end, or maybe they use terminology that I don't think to use in a search. A more reliable way to find the link to scum chat or day talk or whatever is to pop open the roles on the first post. If a link to chat exists, that's where it is, but only for scum and masons, and possibly other factions. Please don't think I've read them all. Search won't search a hidden role, so it's brute force, but it's reliable. It's like easter eggs, if you don't know they exist, you don't go looking for them, and after pondering Blacky's entire post, ignoring the parenthetical part, I realized maybe he wasn't just talking crazy, maybe such a chat did exist.

What I've found this evening looks promising. It should keep me entertained awhile.

[Sirius Kase]

Forget it, that's not reliable either. Different mods do different things, you just have to know to look for it, then look for it.

[TX AG 90]

I find it interesting that early on BJ kept saying we should analyze voting patterns to scum hunt, yet he never did.

[BuJaber]

Because things happened and now I don't need to. Work smart not hard.

Like we just know it's either blacky or chap. Or I guess ragian if he's lying.

[Skoffin]

Well chap's lynch tells us about ragoo and then in turn about blacky.
But we still have the pickle that we have to decide on what to do about chap if he does not return soon. Do we not lynch him? What if he doesn't come back tomorrow and we have the same problem? He's either scum and we are letting scum live at end-game due to being MIA, or we're down a town vote.
If we replace him whomever does so will have a lot to read; do we even have someone that can replace at this stage?
And if someone does replace they will not be able to explain some of the scummy actions that I suspect chap for. So realistically either chap returns, we lynch chap or the game is somewhat dead. Even best case scenario of chap being town we can't have a non-voting town role tomorrow at probable lylo.

[BuJaber]

Blacky the night you got poisoned .. (night 1 I believe right?) Were you told you got bitten also? And who did you target?

[ZaBeast]

blacky, on N1, what made you think your target was responsible for you being poisoned?

[blacky365]

Blacky the night you got poisoned .. (night 1 I believe right?) Were you told you got bitten also? And who did you target?

blacky, on N1, what made you think your target was responsible for you being poisoned?

Ok, I’m sure I’ve done this before, but the following is the exact wording from the mod after N1...
[color=#0000FF]“It is dark.. you see your target but he shows no interest in you. Closer you think... then you feel it.

A sharp burning pain down the side of your body... seems you messed with the wrong target tonight

Q1. I was not told I was bitten. My target was strike.
Q2. The way this was worded made me think that my target had poisoned me, however after reading this multiple times it has become more apparent that it was someone else and not my initial target.

I have answered both of these earlier, and I’m not sure if these have been asked to try and catch me out or because neither could be bothered reading back!

As for TX and his vote... I’m fine with being voted if that how you feel but why put points 1&2 down when they are so obviously bullshit and have been addressed much previously multiple times.[/color]

[blacky365]

Aww crap, my colour scheme thing didn’t work there
I was trying to make the quote stand out!

[ZaBeast]

From what I remembered mets said he was told he messed with the wrong target, you said you were bumped into and felt pain, which is why I was asking why you thought you were poisoned by your target. Being bumped into doesn't look like a passive ability but someone targeting you. I'm unsure as to whether the bumped part refers to Ragian or my ability (as I said I targeted skoff the night you were poisoned and didn't get any result)

[BuJaber]

unvote vote chapcrap

You know what the bonus ability of chap is too similar to the bonus ability of ragian.

I think we lynch chap and if he's town we lynch ragian.

We'll worry about blacky later. This makes more sense.

If I die.. please go chap then ragian if chap is town then blacky if both are town.

Because the more I think about it the less I trust ragian. But chap has been on my radar far longer while ragian has seemed mostly townie until recent events.

So chap first.

Sorry I'm not more confident or accurate this game is really weird, and it's not just the roles. Some people acted really strangely.