The Never Ending Story! Fantasia Wins!!!!

[Thezzaruz]

Also, when did we start assuming a cult leader? The quiet night suggests it, but where did it come from before that?

I'm sure I read something posted by suspect that pointed at that but I couldn't find it from a quick check. However I do know from my role that the nothingness can be expected to grow to include more people as we progress. Not sure on exactly how though.

Guys was simon a day kill vig then? If so i think i could have some good info.

His role info didn't say Vig so I guess not. Feel free to share anyway.

It says Scientists Wife next to his name. I'm not sure if that is his role or character

Urgl is a character in the book/film (as the scientists wife). Though it would seem strange to have two 3rd party without any specific role.

[sam_levi_11]

ok well if the vig killed during day, which it did with flores, then this isnt a cult mafia. Why would a protector (me) be in a cult game. To add to this i protected pmc last night so maybe i protected the right guy...

[pmchugh]

ok well if the vig killed during day, which it did with flores, then this isnt a cult mafia. Why would a protector (me) be in a cult game. To add to this i protected pmc last night so maybe i protected the right guy...

Always a smart one, I am killed night 1 or 2 in 9/10 games. However I am not sure if I agree with you.

There appears to be the nothing and someone mentioned a bad guy killer. I wouldn't be surprsied if there was an SK as well as a cult. Either that or you can protect from being recruited, or I suppose it could just be a killing game but who knows.

Does it specifically say that you protect from kills?

[sam_levi_11]

nah it says i protect them from the g'mork. So maybe not. But it would be an odd role in a cult as there is no way to gauge if you did well or not. Hmmmm maybe thats the point. Either way i aimed to protect you as almost every game you are killed early lol.

[Falkomagno]

It's weard that you just have you role claim, with nobody asking you to do that....why you put at risk so vainly ??

[Nzen]

Sam, stop telling the scum your role. Or falseclaiming; whatever. I must admit, though, it is nice for someone to confirm my suspicion that gmork is the cult’s killer. Despite the fact that Suspect wrote over the initial advertisement for a Neverending cult game, he reiterated it at the top of page two.

I can’t pretend that I am surprised that pmchugh is leading town in a lynch again. However, it galls me that his reasoning is sound. This demands a proper answer to the original question: what were the bandwagon’s reasons.

Well I think this pretty much seals the lynch, you claim a survivor and we need a lynch to gain info. If we are wrong hell we will only lose a 3rd party member who can win with mafia if we are right then we caught scum. Its win/draw and a much safer bet than anyone else IMO. I support a hammer vote.

I completely agree. Unvote, Vote: Simon Viavant You are the weakest link, goodbye.

Vote Simon as others have stated he did have a scummy statement following Sam's and on top of that has gone lurking.

does that mean the deadline is closed or close?
if it isn't too late i'll switch my vote unvot vote simon just to get a succesful lynch and draw day 1 shenanigins to a close

Two possible deadline lynches
I'm going to go with the Simon bandwagon on this one. vote Simon

So you want to get rid of townies huh? unvote vote Simon
((Later)) As I said previously, I was disturbed by Simon's mere suggestion that lynching the vig might not be such a bad idea. I have seen no defense from him that changes my mind on this matter so my vote remains with Simon.

Better to off someone who is a town vig, not only are you trying to work out exactly who it is you are considering killing a town member who could become useful? I say tommorow that the vig should wait and when we decide on a lynch we get him to do it, giving us two lynches.
But in the mean time this is an incredibly scummy statement, you should never lynch a townie power role espicially when you may be able to influence their descisions.
unvote vote simon

this is the most logical vote ive seen so far Vote Simon

This creates a strong temptation to quote all I wrote last game day. Every single player used pmchugh’s duplicitous reconstruction of Simon’s conduct. First, he exaggerated Simon’s commitment to lynching the vigilante. I contested him and the objection became Simon’s ‘subtle tactics.’ Unfortunately, this coincided with Simon’s disappearance. When Simon finally claimed, Pmchugh branded him expendably anti-town in comparison to the “information” it would bring. Odd to rely on his claim as reasoning to test his claim via lynch.

So, to those who agreed that a third party is less important than ‘information’ from a lynch, what did you learn? That the people who voted for Simon stole a potential game day from town? Believing Simon could have told you that. Again, I must admit that Pmchugh has found bandwagon hoppers. I would vote for them myself if Pmchugh hadn’t been behind yesterday’s charade at every junction.

I urge all good men to vote Pmchugh.

[Thezzaruz]

Despite the fact that Suspect wrote over the initial advertisement for a Neverending cult game, he reiterated it at the top of page two.

Knew I had read it somewhere...

nah it says i protect them from the g'mork.

Gmork is the main villain in the movie IIRC, serving the Nothing with a main mission of killing Atreyu.

If the Nothing is somewhat of a cult then Gmork would likely be one (or even the only) part of it from the start. Your protection could very well be against recruitment instead of death, especially if your role doesn't state it to be against death/NK as most doc roles do say that.

I must admit, though, it is nice for someone to confirm my suspicion that gmork is the cult’s killer.

As above I'm not sure he's the killer, definitely a part of it though.

I can’t pretend that I am surprised that pmchugh is leading town in a lynch again.

I agree, no surprises there.

[Suspect101]

Vote Count

AceArtemis (1) - Falkomagno
Stroop (1) - pmchugh
pmchugh (1) - Nzen


With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Not Voting:

Sam_levi_11, thischarmingman, MrDizzle, Stroop, gimpyThewonder, LSU, AceArtemis, Hologram, Thessaruz, /

[pmchugh]

I can’t pretend that I am surprised that pmchugh is leading town in a lynch again.

It's my style in every game I have ever played, whether scum or town. Your entire argument against me is based on this statement which is irrelevant as I will alwys try to be the one starting bandwagons not joining them.

However, it galls me that his reasoning is sound. This demands a proper answer to the original question: what were the bandwagon’s reasons.

Better than those on sam or anyone else at the time.

So, to those who agreed that a third party is less important than ‘information’ from a lynch, what did you learn?

What did we lose from lynching simon? Nothing, and we did gain information. Had we lynched someone else we would have got similar info but with higher risk.

I must admit that Pmchugh has found bandwagon hoppers.

Evidentally otherwise we would not have got a lynch, and tell me this aren't you now hoping for bandwaggon hopers on me?

I would vote for them myself if Pmchugh hadn’t been behind yesterday’s charade at every junction.

I always am and always will be.

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We cannot say for sure that Simon's role was not crucial, even if he admitted to having no abilities, the role name seems to hint at an enabler or backup type role.
It seems that a majority of "town" are in fact survivors, scum couldn't know this, therefor I believe we should look into players who have mentioned third party as being unimportant, since they are most likely not third party themselves. (and most likely scum if most other players are third party)

[gimpyThewonder]

We cannot say for sure that Simon's role was not crucial, even if he admitted to having no abilities, the role name seems to hint at an enabler or backup type role.
It seems that a majority of "town" are in fact survivors, scum couldn't know this, therefor I believe we should look into players who have mentioned third party as being unimportant, since they are most likely not third party themselves. (and most likely scum if most other players are third party)

I was wondering if someone would voice this theory. I was wondering that from the Flores kill, Simon confirmed it.

[AceArtemis]

So, to those who agreed that a third party is less important than ‘information’ from a lynch, what did you learn?

The information gained through the lynch is who voted for who, what their reasons were, and how people reacted to various scenarios. We needed a lynch so we could have the information to start building a voting record. Today and future days will build on the voting record created on Day 1, and eventually, we'll have plenty of information buried in the thread to look through and see who's likely to be scum.

[pmchugh]

We cannot say for sure that Simon's role was not crucial, even if he admitted to having no abilities, the role name seems to hint at an enabler or backup type role.
It seems that a majority of "town" are in fact survivors, scum couldn't know this, therefor I believe we should look into players who have mentioned third party as being unimportant, since they are most likely not third party themselves. (and most likely scum if most other players are third party)

I was wondering if someone would voice this theory. I was wondering that from the Flores kill, Simon confirmed it.

Hmm intresting, it makes sense to me although this makes it a rather odd game. I have a feeling now that those survivors are able to be recruited but actual townies are not. Either way I will now be more careful around people who claim 3rd party.

[Thezzaruz]

We cannot say for sure that Simon's role was not crucial, even if he admitted to having no abilities, the role name seems to hint at an enabler or backup type role.

Urgl literally is the scientists wife in the book/movie so I wouldn't read much into the name tbh.

It seems that a majority of "town" are in fact survivors, scum couldn't know this, therefor I believe we should look into players who have mentioned third party as being unimportant, since they are most likely not third party themselves. (and most likely scum if most other players are third party)

Where did you get that from? I've seen no evidence to back that claim tbh.

[pmchugh]

We cannot say for sure that Simon's role was not crucial, even if he admitted to having no abilities, the role name seems to hint at an enabler or backup type role.

Urgl literally is the scientists wife in the book/movie so I wouldn't read much into the name tbh.

It seems that a majority of "town" are in fact survivors, scum couldn't know this, therefor I believe we should look into players who have mentioned third party as being unimportant, since they are most likely not third party themselves. (and most likely scum if most other players are third party)

Where did you get that from? I've seen no evidence to back that claim tbh.

I am guessing he is third party as well, and probably kal as well.

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We cannot say for sure that Simon's role was not crucial, even if he admitted to having no abilities, the role name seems to hint at an enabler or backup type role.

Urgl literally is the scientists wife in the book/movie so I wouldn't read much into the name tbh.

Usually vanilla roles are addressed as such, it's not uncommon to give someone a flavor in their role they aren't aware of, but on the other hand I suppose you can't say "townie" either in this case, well it's not worth worrying about now.

It seems that a majority of "town" are in fact survivors, scum couldn't know this, therefor I believe we should look into players who have mentioned third party as being unimportant, since they are most likely not third party themselves. (and most likely scum if most other players are third party)

Where did you get that from? I've seen no evidence to back that claim tbh.

Well, I have seen no evidence there is a "town" either, I suppose the two roles dead so far are not exactly the most heroic of the story, but I thought the theory was better put out early before scum catches on and the knowledge becomes useless.

[Falkomagno]

I'm almost sure that simon role would be activated once his husband, the scientist, were dead. I think that this makes sense. Now, I completely ignore what the scientist does.

And of course, if there was scientist's wife, there is a scientist....

[Thezzaruz]

I am guessing he is third party as well, and probably kal as well.

"he" as in me??? Nope nothing in my role that indicates 3rd party.

[pmchugh]

I am guessing he is third party as well, and probably kal as well.

"he" as in me??? Nope nothing in my role that indicates 3rd party.

No I mean /

[LSU Tiger Josh]

just for the record I'm back, but can't reread this until tomorrow night.

[Thezzaruz]

No I mean /

Ah, well that makes sense.

[Suspect101]

Hologram and thischarmingman have been prodded with threat of replacement.

I also prodded MrDizzle, he has been more active than the other two hbut have not posted since June 1. If he does nto respond, I will give him the same ultimatium.

[Suspect101]

Vote Count

AceArtemis (1) - Falkomagno
Stroop (1) - pmchugh
pmchugh (1) - Nzen


With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Not Voting:

Sam_levi_11, thischarmingman, MrDizzle, Stroop, gimpyThewonder, LSU, AceArtemis, Hologram, Thessaruz, /


................... still

[thischarmingman]

i do apologise hectic week of exams and parties i have read everything put out so far and can't see any real tells, im gonna trust sam because roleclaiming falsely with no provocation just seems to be rather stupid and so with no other reasoning than that sam and simon were voted for by him
vote stroop

[MrDizzle]

I also apologize for my absence. I don't have time right now to go through all the posts, but I will be active beginning tomorrow.