[Official] Choose Your Own Mafia - TOWN WINS

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

okay so only ones left to actually give something anything at all would be i think virus hes said the least starting to get concerned with him

Is virus your scum read? What about the items brought forth this last page?

I'd strongly object to a Virus lynch. Nothing in his opening post suggests scum, and his inactivity isnt abnormal.

Activity isnt a clear indicator of alignment, it is a tool used by those who are active to deflect the focus onto others. Ptlowe and Tim are the major pushers of this logic.

Your analysis and interpretation is like that of a wandering goat. Since your reads and ideas arent sticking on me you start putting me in with Tim and dismissing actual analysis. The more I read of your words the more I think your scum. Trying every which way to find another target to harp on outside of yourself. Your slinging mud to get anything to stick. Your the user of the logic you are pushing saying I am using. Im actually trying to find scum thank you.

I believe that Tim doesnt know what he is doing, I dont actually have a particularly strong read on him. Like Dakky he appears to have the strong D1 play of lynch anyone but themselves. Its not helpful at all, but thats where we stand.

However, I am looking for 5 members of mafia/sk.

I would like to see evidence of me dismissing actual analysis.

[dakky21]

I believe that Tim doesnt know what he is doing, I dont actually have a particularly strong read on him. Like Dakky he appears to have the strong D1 play of lynch anyone but themselves. Its not helpful at all, but thats where we stand.

He knows what he is doing, otherwise he wouldn't win in your C9 game.
BTW, you say "strong D1 play of lynch anyone but themselves" ... hmmm... should we try to lynch ourselves? I don't get your logic.

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

I believe that Tim doesnt know what he is doing, I dont actually have a particularly strong read on him. Like Dakky he appears to have the strong D1 play of lynch anyone but themselves. Its not helpful at all, but thats where we stand.

He knows what he is doing, otherwise he wouldn't win in your C9 game.
BTW, you say "strong D1 play of lynch anyone but themselves" ... hmmm... should we try to lynch ourselves? I don't get your logic.

Who should we lynch Dakky?

[dakky21]

I don't know yet Wing.
No one is screaming either town or mafia, so I am undecided so far and the vote on Tim stays as his cryptic talk bothers me too much, just like in your game.

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

I don't know yet Wing.
No one is screaming either town or mafia, so I am undecided so far and the vote on Tim stays as his cryptic talk bothers me too much, just like in your game.

So you are refusing to scumhunt and should be lynched. .... Except that I know that in your case this doesnt actually mean anything. You want to lynch anyone but yourself.

Tims play is outright odd, but I am unsure how much to attribute to his alignment, and how much to attribute to his little experience playing mafia. Large games are different to C9 as scum play changes completely. In C9 scum have to convince one or two town that they are mafia and then just steamroll the others. In larger games scum have to pretend to be town to all until they decipher who the important players are in town.

To be honest the more people suggest that Tim is scum the more I believe it.

I find it amusing that Epi thinks I am hard pushing Tim, and Pt thinks I am defending him. My intentions are to push Tim off the fence and give opinions, though that may not come across very well.

I'm adding Streaker to my town list, (Alongside Dakky, Mitch, AoG, End & Mets) Though Mets has a tendency to fool me so I never 100% believe he is town, I am sure he understands.

[ptlowe]

My Ideas
Town
Mets/Epitaph/Endgame/whatsausage/streaker/dakky/madmitch/me

Leaning Scum
AOG/Wing/Dazza

Totally Scum
Tim

Unknown
Virus/hotshot/benga

[ptlowe]

okay so only ones left to actually give something anything at all would be i think virus hes said the least starting to get concerned with him

Is virus your scum read? What about the items brought forth this last page?

I'd strongly object to a Virus lynch. Nothing in his opening post suggests scum, and his inactivity isnt abnormal.

Activity isnt a clear indicator of alignment, it is a tool used by those who are active to deflect the focus onto others. Ptlowe and Tim are the major pushers of this logic.

Your analysis and interpretation is like that of a wandering goat. Since your reads and ideas arent sticking on me you start putting me in with Tim and dismissing actual analysis. The more I read of your words the more I think your scum. Trying every which way to find another target to harp on outside of yourself. Your slinging mud to get anything to stick. Your the user of the logic you are pushing saying I am using. Im actually trying to find scum thank you.

I believe that Tim doesnt know what he is doing, I dont actually have a particularly strong read on him. Like Dakky he appears to have the strong D1 play of lynch anyone but themselves. Its not helpful at all, but thats where we stand.

However, I am looking for 5 members of mafia/sk.

I would like to see evidence of me dismissing actual analysis.

Ill give you a full analysis tonight when Im home from work to exemplify this.

[virus90]

Do you mean that you'd strongly object to a Virus lynch in general, or strongly object based on the currently available evidence? What if we pushed him and some useful information came out of it?

what are you looking to find here mets? i guess no one would be stupid enough to hard defend there scumbuddy if he were as inactive like me, atleast i value wing higher then doing that.

also i think you know me long enough that you know that i am not much of a big poster, ever.
i think some people mentioned that (about the activity) and you immediatly look in to that as hard evidence of scum pairs etc? bit far fetched it my opinion.

fped

[Endgame422]

As to lynching virus/dazza im fine with that.
If they are town they are just dead weight.
Scum does not kill inactives because they make for easy mislynches later and also they allow scum to control the dayphase as well.
And the only way town benefits from tailor is in the event that the tailor just holds his NA and therefore is a vanilla.
Im definetly still going to push anyone claiming tailor very hard.
Thoughts on the recent cases,
HS says hes suspicious of whoever is pushing him(ie:myself)but holds his vote so it wont look like OMGUS.
As to tim everyone see foundation mafia in the archives,when town who is falsely accused tim got all flustered and ended up getting modkilled for posting a screenshot of his role.
So his play here is very reminiscent of that.
I still think he is town.
Benga. He keeps promising to post content and not delivering,plus the we will know more D2 comment just seems like hes trying to skate through until tomorrow.
AoG im having trouble reading. I would consider him for the lynch today but hes not my first choice.
Halfway through the day phase now and we need to start condensing votes,unless no lynch is where you guys want to go.
Id prefer a lynch though if we can narrow our focus.
FPd alot

[Endgame422]

VIRUS
Who is scum?

[Metsfanmax]

Do you mean that you'd strongly object to a Virus lynch in general, or strongly object based on the currently available evidence? What if we pushed him and some useful information came out of it?

what are you looking to find here mets? i guess no one would be stupid enough to hard defend there scumbuddy if he were as inactive like me, atleast i value wing higher then doing that.

also i think you know me long enough that you know that i am not much of a big poster, ever.
i think some people mentioned that (about the activity) and you immediatly look in to that as hard evidence of scum pairs etc? bit far fetched it my opinion.

fped

This wasn't at all suggesting that we would get anything interesting out of pushing you. I was asking a hypothetical -- suppose we did that, and we found evidence you were scum, then would he still defend you?

Interesting that you read it in such an accusatory fashion though -- maybe you do have something to hide.

[Epitaph1]

I don't know yet Wing.
No one is screaming either town or mafia, so I am undecided so far and the vote on Tim stays as his cryptic talk bothers me too much, just like in your game.

So you are refusing to scumhunt and should be lynched. .... Except that I know that in your case this doesnt actually mean anything. You want to lynch anyone but yourself.

Tims play is outright odd, but I am unsure how much to attribute to his alignment, and how much to attribute to his little experience playing mafia. Large games are different to C9 as scum play changes completely. In C9 scum have to convince one or two town that they are mafia and then just steamroll the others. In larger games scum have to pretend to be town to all until they decipher who the important players are in town.

To be honest the more people suggest that Tim is scum the more I believe it.

I find it amusing that Epi thinks I am hard pushing Tim, and Pt thinks I am defending him. My intentions are to push Tim off the fence and give opinions, though that may not come across very well.

I'm adding Streaker to my town list, (Alongside Dakky, Mitch, AoG, End & Mets) Though Mets has a tendency to fool me so I never 100% believe he is town, I am sure he understands.

Explain your town read on AoG.

He's hardly contributed anything to this game. Barely posts, states the obvious when he does post. His only read came when he accused End of trying to move past the jokevote stage. . . that's either a terrible read or it was tongue in cheek.

I'm leaning town on End btw.

[Army of GOD]

how is a terrible read?

[Army of GOD]

how is it*

[Epitaph1]

End wanted to move past the joking and get down to business. I don't see how that can be construed as scummy.

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

End wanted to move past the joking and get down to business. I don't see how that can be construed as scummy.

Its trihard, especially the way he did it. If you notice it was actually AoG who took us out of the jokephase, but he did so by building a case. It wasnt forced, it waas a natural progression.

@Mets - If we pressure Virus then I drop my reservations. All I'll say is that I believe Virus's first post to be as enlightening as always. (On all levels)

[Epitaph1]

End wanted to move past the joking and get down to business. I don't see how that can be construed as scummy.

Its trihard, especially the way he did it. If you notice it was actually AoG who took us out of the jokephase, but he did so by building a case. It wasnt forced, it waas a natural progression.

So, that's where you get your town read on AoG? His "case" was that Endgame wanted to get serious, which I find specious reasoning at best. Anyway, he wasn't the one who took us out of the joke vote phase, you said so yourself:

End let the joke vote stage continue for a bit.

The reason I wanted the joke phase to continue is see who votes someone high up in the draft list, however End and Streaker have ruined that. Unlike most games we have the knowledge that most likely the stronger roles are near the top of the list. Sausage is draft pick no.8 and the highest draft pick to receive votes.

[ptlowe]

End wanted to move past the joking and get down to business. I don't see how that can be construed as scummy.

Its trihard, especially the way he did it. If you notice it was actually AoG who took us out of the jokephase, but he did so by building a case. It wasnt forced, it waas a natural progression.

So, that's where you get your town read on AoG? His "case" was that Endgame wanted to get serious, which I find specious reasoning at best. Anyway, he wasn't the one who took us out of the joke vote phase, you said so yourself:

End let the joke vote stage continue for a bit.

The reason I wanted the joke phase to continue is see who votes someone high up in the draft list, however End and Streaker have ruined that. Unlike most games we have the knowledge that most likely the stronger roles are near the top of the list. Sausage is draft pick no.8 and the highest draft pick to receive votes.

+1+1+1

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

Fair enough. AoG what are your reads

fp'd by Ptlowe

[Marashu]

Dazza2008 has been prodded.

[Marashu]

Dazza says he is unable to continue - I have posted in the replacement thread.

[Army of GOD]

End wanted to move past the joking and get down to business. I don't see how that can be construed as scummy.

Its trihard, especially the way he did it. If you notice it was actually AoG who took us out of the jokephase, but he did so by building a case. It wasnt forced, it waas a natural progression.

So, that's where you get your town read on AoG? His "case" was that Endgame wanted to get serious, which I find specious reasoning at best. Anyway, he wasn't the one who took us out of the joke vote phase, you said so yourself:

End let the joke vote stage continue for a bit.

The reason I wanted the joke phase to continue is see who votes someone high up in the draft list, however End and Streaker have ruined that. Unlike most games we have the knowledge that most likely the stronger roles are near the top of the list. Sausage is draft pick no.8 and the highest draft pick to receive votes.

my case wasn't that Endgame wanted us to get serious. He was trying so hard to act town.

this was his first post, when we were still waiting on confirmations

We have 1/3 odds of hitting anti town player with lynch today.
Id like 2 claims from who we determine scummiest and we can probably get our chances close to a 50/50 shot.
We need an early scum/SK lynch because 3 anti town NKs will overwhelm us quickly if we make a couple mistakes.
Especially with up to 4/5 kills on N1 we need a good start here.

keep in mind we have TEN DAYS for D1. This to me is "hey look at me scumhunting I'm such a townie lol!!!" which usually is a scum tactic.


also, I like how your point on me is that I'm "stating the obvious". I'm curious, who isn't stating the obvious at this point?

My general rule for D1 is everyone has such shit reads that it always ends up being a random vote anyway. This is why I'm usually a proponent of a D1 no lynch (Mets and others can confirm that's how I usually role) but with 5 scum out of 15, that's a pretty solid shot at hitting scum day 1.

[Marashu]

*Pixar* will be replacing dazza2008.

[*Pixar*]

I am here and ready to play, thank god it's only day 1 or else I wouldn't have joined lol

[ptlowe]

I am here and ready to play, thank god it's only day 1 or else I wouldn't have joined lol

good to have you.