Political Mafia -- Liberals Win

[Iron Butterfly]

Ok IB.
What do you think we should do instead?

I believe you are on the right track by thinking outside the box.

I am just trying to point out that there are some who seem to be trapped in old ways of thinking. Seriously...would Mets create a game with three separate factions so we can manipulate it and mold it into something it really may not be? A 16 player game with two sides and a center? Gimme a break.

[Army of GOD]

I don't get your points on the third party players. They can win with anyone so why will they be lynched late on and why does them being there make it harder for a party to win?

That's only if they're a survivor which is a pretty easy claim. From my experience, most third parties aren't survivors but have an individual wincon

[dakky21]

I don't get your points on the third party players. They can win with anyone so why will they be lynched late on and why does them being there make it harder for a party to win?

That's only if they're a survivor which is a pretty easy claim. From my experience, most third parties aren't survivors but have an individual wincon

Exactly what AoG wrote. If they have individual winning conditions, they can (only) win if they remain the last alive. And in order to do that they can use their abilities to kill party members one by one, while at a same time we're trying to do the same thing - lynch other party members. So a win-win situation for them if that is the case. That's why I thought lynching Epi or another 3rd Party might be a good idea.

[NoSurvivors]

Firstly, to all who are asking about me being inactive-- sorry, I should have notified you about being away. Forgot to do that.

To all people wondering about THIS quote:

I will probably try to be more active day 2, this is just boring as heck honestly as I cant see us getting anywhere until we lynch someone

Particularly the bold area: I am not trying to free ride or any such thing, just hate day 1's. I dont intend to just sit back, I have given my opinions (and now again I am about to after I explain here), I am just more active normally in later days than in day 1. I also didnt want to speculate because we could have ended up being completely wrong and we waste a day talking about nonsense.

However there has been quite a bit of chatter and some that I agree with, so you guys proved me wrong in my thought and my bad for jumping to conclusions like that.

I don't get your points on the third party players. They can win with anyone so why will they be lynched late on and why does them being there make it harder for a party to win?

That's only if they're a survivor which is a pretty easy claim. From my experience, most third parties aren't survivors but have an individual wincon

If we have 3 parties (in Canada, we have NDP Liberals and Conservatives-- which would make sense with a 6-6-4 setup as lib/conserve are slightly bigger than NDP), then epi's claim is BS. Why he would lie, I dont know. Maybe he doesnt want to expose himself (which I must give him credit for as I wouldnt want a target like that day 1). I am now fairly convinced that we have that sort of setup (I am one of conservative, liberal or NDP and this is the only 3 party system I know of that works with a 6-6-4 setup). It would make a lot of sense. I could end up being wrong but I dont think it's the american system because it didnt say for example "democrat" or "republican" or anything in my role, so I doubt we have a weird mix.

This leads me to conclude that Epi would be an interesting lynch target because if there is a 6-6-4 setup and there are three parties, his role would either confirm or deny three parties or 3rd party and 2 big parties. If he shoots me it's likely because I am right, but of course it's all speculation.

[NoSurvivors]

I still think guessing the setup and forming a plan based on a guess is crazy. We need a day or 2 to get a feel for what is happening really.

I agree with this, but only to an extent. It is good information we have to go on day 2. Good speculation, even though none of it is falsifiable right now. To get a real understanding of what game we are playing, I agree. We need a day 2.

[Army of GOD]

I highly doubt Mets fashioned this like the Canadian govt

[Endgame422]

No way of knowing if 3rd party has ulterior motives. I imagine 6 of each major party,4 individuals who win by surviving until 1 major party is eliminated.
At this point im not expecting cooperation but someone pushing epi lynch needs to claim alignment,
Dakky you have suggested that your a vanilla role,and that your major party,and that you think we need a claim.
Wanna volunteer?
Fpd by AoG
Rishaed fashioned this game

[dakky21]

Dakky you have suggested that your a vanilla role,and that your major party,and that you think we need a claim.
Wanna volunteer?

I can volunteer, but unfortunately all you can get from me is an alignment claim. That could/can put others from my faction/party at risk, so I'd rather skip it if it's not really necessary.

I'd rather go for Epi and his 3rd party claim or someone else.

[Metsfanmax]

UNOFFICIAL STRAW POLL:

Epitaph1 (6): Streaker, BGtheBrain, HotShot53, Army of GOD, NoSurvivors, /
Iron Butterfly (2): dazza2008, madmitch
JamesKer1 (1): Iron Butterfly
NoSurvivors (1): Epitaph1

Day 1 ends on August 1 at 14:00 CC Time, or 24 hours after the Speaker calls the vote. Requests for extensions will be considered on an as-needed basis.

Remember that you can place a vote for a new Speaker at any time.

[NoSurvivors]

I'll speak up about my alignment if we need volunteers, but also not my role.

[JamesKer1]

I see it safer to claim your role rather than your alignment.

Unless you're worried about a 3rd harming you.

[Endgame422]

Im not really too interested in role claims right now. Only alignment.
If dakky and Nos are from different parties we have my plan A set up essentially.
Epi can follow with 1 party and unless all of the other 3rd party join against him whatever party he follows will have a nice advantage.
Also if it comes to a tie epi can shoot someone opposing his lynch candidate and act as "tie-breaker"

[Ragian]

This leads me to conclude that Epi would be an interesting lynch target because if there is a 6-6-4 setup and there are three parties, his role would either confirm or deny three parties or 3rd party and 2 big parties. If he shoots me it's likely because I am right, but of course it's all speculation.

Is this because epi has voted for you? I don't get why you want to get rid of epi right off the bat now that we "know" that he has a killing ability. It may just be one-shot, but it's still worth something. Also, what threat does he pose at the moment? Moreover, it's a huge "if" to base a lynch on.

Why is it that epi still has loads of votes on him? I don't get why you want him lynched. Which I'm assuming that you want since your votes are on him after his claim.

Also, FYI: I'm away from Tuesday - Sunday on a festival in Germany.

[BGtheBrain]

*****

[Epitaph1]

I can volunteer, but unfortunately all you can get from me is an alignment claim. That could/can put others from my faction/party at risk, so I'd rather skip it if it's not really necessary.

Just curious: when you say that all we can get from you is an alignment claim, is that because you have a PR precluding you from role claiming or that you just don't intend on claiming your role?

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There has been an awful lot of speculation about the set up of this game.

Normal scumtells won't give us anything in this game if my guess about the setup is correct. Because there isn't any scum. There are two ewual parties and some third parties

You're already ruling out mafia? Is this based on anything other than assumptions? Let's face it, we have very little idea about the set up other than the roles are based on political affiliations. We won't know if there is a killing faction until after tonight and we aren't even close to figuring out the breakdown of parties. We're just assuming right and left are balanced.

There is really no point for you guys to kill me today. It's just kicking the can down the road. If you kill me, I'll take someone out with me, and you will be no closer to your wincon, which, from what I've heard, involves eliminating the opposing party/faction. Lynching me is basically a roll of the dice as to which party will go down a member at my hands. It doesn't have to be that way. I can win with you guys. Well, maybe half of you guys.

Plan A is my vote, but I might be the only one voting for that one.

I'll go along with Plan B. Plan C is a more standard approach, but if there really is an antipodean struggle going on here, it's a gamble for you guys unless we happen to hit scum.

fpd

[madmitch]

I highly doubt Mets fashioned this like the Canadian govt

I hope not our government is fucked

[Endgame422]

So rage will not be voting today.
So much for even amount of votes on each side.
I guess no lynch is fine with me. Both my plans have been shot in the foot.

[Army of GOD]

Lynching me is basically a roll of the dice as to which party will go down a member at my hands. It doesn't have to be that way. I can win with you guys. Well, maybe half of you guys.

lynching anyone else is also a roll of the dice.

at the end of the day, one of two outcomes will happen:
1. We lynch you, you shoot someone. We have a claimed third party dead (you claim survivor but I'm not buying it) and a rando that you choose
2. We lynch someone at random and keep a third partier alive who has a vig shot

I'm not taking the risk of keeping a third party alive, sorry.


Also, yes, I'm ruling out there being mafia this early in the game. I'm basing this on my wincon (which doesn't mention anything about mafia) and just from the flavor of the game...Mets is smart enough to know that making one group "mafia" would be way too harsh

[Epitaph1]

NoS, dakky, and End have offered to claim their alignment. Why don't we get 2 of the 3 to claim their alignment (if different) and go from there? More information is only going to help.

[dakky21]

NoS, dakky, and End have offered to claim their alignment. Why don't we get 2 of the 3 to claim their alignment (if different) and go from there? More information is only going to help.

Because we who have party alignment know how the party is called. If I claim my alignment (party name), everyone else will know the name of the party, so the right aligned ones could also claim being left ones.

I will say for now only that I am left oriented.

[dakky21]

I can volunteer, but unfortunately all you can get from me is an alignment claim. That could/can put others from my faction/party at risk, so I'd rather skip it if it's not really necessary.

Just curious: when you say that all we can get from you is an alignment claim, is that because you have a PR precluding you from role claiming or that you just don't intend on claiming your role?

As wrote above, can't tell you the party name, and the role is pretty much useless.

[Ragian]

So, is this an actual alignment claim or are you trying to bait someone here?

[Army of GOD]

I can volunteer, but unfortunately all you can get from me is an alignment claim. That could/can put others from my faction/party at risk, so I'd rather skip it if it's not really necessary.

Just curious: when you say that all we can get from you is an alignment claim, is that because you have a PR precluding you from role claiming or that you just don't intend on claiming your role?

As wrote above, can't tell you the party name, and the role is pretty much useless.

if your role is useless then why are you not telling it?

[Iron Butterfly]

I can volunteer, but unfortunately all you can get from me is an alignment claim. That could/can put others from my faction/party at risk, so I'd rather skip it if it's not really necessary.

Just curious: when you say that all we can get from you is an alignment claim, is that because you have a PR precluding you from role claiming or that you just don't intend on claiming your role?

As wrote above, can't tell you the party name, and the role is pretty much useless.

if your role is useless then why are you not telling it?

So fellow politicians such as yourself will respond?

[Army of GOD]

I can volunteer, but unfortunately all you can get from me is an alignment claim. That could/can put others from my faction/party at risk, so I'd rather skip it if it's not really necessary.

Just curious: when you say that all we can get from you is an alignment claim, is that because you have a PR precluding you from role claiming or that you just don't intend on claiming your role?

As wrote above, can't tell you the party name, and the role is pretty much useless.

if your role is useless then why are you not telling it?

So fellow politicians such as yourself will respond?

because I'm interested as to why he claims his role is useless but isn't saying what it is?