Memebase Mafia Game Over!

by **skillfusniper33** on Mon Aug 08, 2011 4:37 pm

BGtheBrain wrote:
safariguy5 wrote:Inherently, I don't see pedobear as malicious.

I think Pedobear would be terrifying to the inner child in all of us. Just seeing him makes me want to cut myself and cry. Why is life so hard?

Why he is just a cute and cuddly bear...

I also fixed the quote from safari you forgot the opening bracket

by **BGtheBrain** on Mon Aug 08, 2011 7:35 pm

by **Mr. Squirrel** on Mon Aug 08, 2011 11:31 pm

skillfusniper33 wrote:
BGtheBrain wrote:
safariguy5 wrote:Inherently, I don't see pedobear as malicious.

I think Pedobear would be terrifying to the inner child in all of us. Just seeing him makes me want to cut myself and cry. Why is life so hard?

Why he is just a cute and cuddly bear...

Yea, didn't everyone play with a pedobear as a child? I know I did 8-[

by **jonty125** on Tue Aug 09, 2011 4:02 am

Mr. Squirrel wrote:
skillfusniper33 wrote:
BGtheBrain wrote:
safariguy5 wrote:Inherently, I don't see pedobear as malicious.

I think Pedobear would be terrifying to the inner child in all of us. Just seeing him makes me want to cut myself and cry. Why is life so hard?

Why he is just a cute and cuddly bear...

Yea, didn't everyone play with a pedobear as a child? I know I did

I visted him OVER 9000 TIMES!

by **TA1LGUNN3R** on Tue Aug 09, 2011 4:35 am

safariguy5 wrote:Well since Rodion nameclaimed Pedobear, I think we have a convenient test case here. Now whether or not claiming your real name as mafia is what he's doing is WIFOM. That said, it could be considered a good way try and gauge what sort of memes would be mafia. Inherently, I don't see pedobear as malicious. Disturbing at times yes, but anyone who's browsed the 4chan boards has seen much worse. I don't think it warrants a vote at this point from me, but it does fall into the so called "mafia" aligned memes outlined in the list, though it's not as clear as say the troll memes.

The slaves whom you've whipped will no longer suffer under your boot. We will have freedom and equality, and I will not rest until you answer why you seem to be implying that the troll memes are scummier than the pedobear. We've already got two who fit the troll memes; are you defending your mate at the expense of some easier targets? Capitalist.

FOS Saf.

unvote btw

-Tails

by **MeDeFe** on Tue Aug 09, 2011 6:22 am

strike wolf wrote:
safariguy5 wrote:
kwanton wrote:UMAD?

I still think that speculating on roles and possible alignment won't hurt us as long as we're not dumb about it. This is a game of information-gathering so I don't understand why people are voting me for trying to gather information. I'm sticking by my guns on this one.

I agree. Just because a PR isn't gamebreaking in and of itself doesn't mean it isn't relevant. Tal basically hid in plain sight with a self imposed PR in Resort and Evil Chef's M.O. in South Park was imposing the soup PR. So I'm with kwan on this one, we can't discount PR's. No doubt some are town, some are mafia. Still relevant.

This is bullshit.

FTFY

I'm willing to bet a fingernail that every player (at least every player with powers) has a PR of some sort in this game. Rodion got it right before, he's a dawg with a good head on his shoulders, in a vampire-themed mafia you can't give the scum PRs about how much the love to drink blood. In a meme-themed mafia you can't give the scum "evil" memes and PRs that reveal what meme they are, that'd be game-breaking.

It's more probable that some memes are conspiring, or that one group of similar memes is working together, but the possibilities there are endless or even OVER 9000!!!!! So it's pretty much useless to speculate about details, even more so that trying to identify "evil" memes. Just saying, it's an easy way of balancing the game and allowing for widespread PRs.

You dawgs are of course free to put together your le list of what meme any given player might have been assigned, but don't even pretend to be hunting for scum in our base with that. I am somewhat disappoint that you would even consider it a realistic means of finding scum.

by **kwanton** on Tue Aug 09, 2011 7:49 am

strike wolf wrote:Ok at the risk of sounding like an idiot on a possibly minor detail, is there a meme that goes along the lines of combining other memes randomly?

As in medefe's?

by **strike wolf** on Tue Aug 09, 2011 8:21 am

kwanton wrote:
strike wolf wrote:Ok at the risk of sounding like an idiot on a possibly minor detail, is there a meme that goes along the lines of combining other memes randomly?

As in medefe's?

And Kwanton wins the grand prize. Either Medefe has a meme that incorporates more than one other memes or it would appear he is trying to confuse us as to his actual meme. I also am unnerved by this whole let's ignore flavor spec thing. I'm more willing to jump on medefe for this than rody (I've played with Rody when he has been scum and his actions as scum tend to be more well thought out. His rant seems to me to be a bit careless and more connected with becoming irritated rather than scum-intent) or sens who as I remember tends to draw suspicion onto himself when scum or town. I've said this before but once we have a better idea of what memes are in the game, we will have a better idea of what we are looking at that and I think medefe is a bit quick to undersell that.

*internal*: See how medefe is obvscum? He is so scummy it hurts. Gawd he's worse than troll dad...he probably hangs out with troll dad actually.

*external*: you know just a possibility.

by **jonty125** on Tue Aug 09, 2011 8:23 am

MeDeFe wrote:
strike wolf wrote:
safariguy5 wrote:
kwanton wrote:UMAD?

I still think that speculating on roles and possible alignment won't hurt us as long as we're not dumb about it. This is a game of information-gathering so I don't understand why people are voting me for trying to gather information. I'm sticking by my guns on this one.

I agree. Just because a PR isn't gamebreaking in and of itself doesn't mean it isn't relevant. Tal basically hid in plain sight with a self imposed PR in Resort and Evil Chef's M.O. in South Park was imposing the soup PR. So I'm with kwan on this one, we can't discount PR's. No doubt some are town, some are mafia. Still relevant.

This is bullshit.

FTFY

I'm willing to bet a fingernail that every player (at least every player with powers) has a PR of some sort in this game. Rodion got it right before, he's a dawg with a good head on his shoulders, in a vampire-themed mafia you can't give the scum PRs about how much the love to drink blood. In a meme-themed mafia you can't give the scum "evil" memes and PRs that reveal what meme they are, that'd be game-breaking.

It's more probable that some memes are conspiring, or that one group of similar memes is working together, but the possibilities there are endless or even OVER 9000!!!!! So it's pretty much useless to speculate about details, even more so that trying to identify "evil" memes. Just saying, it's an easy way of balancing the game and allowing for widespread PRs.

You dawgs are of course free to put together your le list of what meme any given player might have been assigned, but don't even pretend to be hunting for scum in our base with that. I am somewhat disappoint that you would even consider it a realistic means of finding scum.

I am the only OVER 9000! unvote vote Medefe for being an imposter my rage is greater than yours multiplied by OVER 9000!

by **Mr. Squirrel** on Tue Aug 09, 2011 9:31 am

jonty125 wrote:
MeDeFe wrote:
strike wolf wrote:
safariguy5 wrote:
kwanton wrote:UMAD?

I still think that speculating on roles and possible alignment won't hurt us as long as we're not dumb about it. This is a game of information-gathering so I don't understand why people are voting me for trying to gather information. I'm sticking by my guns on this one.

I agree. Just because a PR isn't gamebreaking in and of itself doesn't mean it isn't relevant. Tal basically hid in plain sight with a self imposed PR in Resort and Evil Chef's M.O. in South Park was imposing the soup PR. So I'm with kwan on this one, we can't discount PR's. No doubt some are town, some are mafia. Still relevant.

This is bullshit.

FTFY

I'm willing to bet a fingernail that every player (at least every player with powers) has a PR of some sort in this game. Rodion got it right before, he's a dawg with a good head on his shoulders, in a vampire-themed mafia you can't give the scum PRs about how much the love to drink blood. In a meme-themed mafia you can't give the scum "evil" memes and PRs that reveal what meme they are, that'd be game-breaking.

It's more probable that some memes are conspiring, or that one group of similar memes is working together, but the possibilities there are endless or even OVER 9000!!!!! So it's pretty much useless to speculate about details, even more so that trying to identify "evil" memes. Just saying, it's an easy way of balancing the game and allowing for widespread PRs.

You dawgs are of course free to put together your le list of what meme any given player might have been assigned, but don't even pretend to be hunting for scum in our base with that. I am somewhat disappoint that you would even consider it a realistic means of finding scum.

I am the only OVER 9000! unvote vote Medefe for being an imposter my rage is greater than yours multiplied by OVER 9000!

unvote vote jonty

Using your pr is necessary, but I'm getting the feeling that you've been hiding behind yours so far. Every single post you make has no content and just has an 'over 9000' joke. Besides, voting the one person who has made the most sense so far seems rather spammy if you ask me.

Not cool, brochacho

TA1LGUNN3R wrote:The slaves whom you've whipped will no longer suffer under your boot. We will have freedom and equality, and I will not rest until you answer why you seem to be implying that the troll memes are scummier than the pedobear. We've already got two who fit the troll memes; are you defending your mate at the expense of some easier targets? Capitalist.

Broseph Stalin? :-s

by **kwanton** on Tue Aug 09, 2011 10:05 am

um. guessing that guy from the movie who wears the mask.

Jim Carrey!!

Lol jk. the political/anarchy themed one. You guys know what I'm talking about but I can't remember the name. Guy something.

by **kwanton** on Tue Aug 09, 2011 10:07 am

Ergh.....I keep forgetting I have to troll. Sry.

Problem?
Umad?
Problem?
Umad?
Problem?
Problem?
Problem?
Problem?
Umad?

There that should make up for all the times I forgot.

by **jonty125** on Tue Aug 09, 2011 10:13 am

Mr. Squirrel wrote:Using your pr is necessary, but I'm getting the feeling that you've been hiding behind yours so far. Every single post you make has no content and just has an 'over 9000' joke. Besides, voting the one person who has made the most sense so far seems rather spammy if you ask me.

Not cool, brochacho

Sorry.

Got a bit over the top (joke voting over x 9000) ← well I couldn't fit it in anywhere else unvote.

by **strike wolf** on Tue Aug 09, 2011 10:24 am

kwanton wrote:um. guessing that guy from the movie who wears the mask.

Jim Carrey!!

Lol jk. the political/anarchy themed one. You guys know what I'm talking about but I can't remember the name. Guy something.

*internal: you're such a troll. You're thinking of V wearing the Guy Fawkes. You Anarchist! It was from the movie V For Vendetta. Can't you remember movies?*

It's V. Don't worry we all forget names.

@Mr. Squirrel: I'm confused weren't you participating in the flavor spec? Now you're saying that the guy who seems to be including elements of 3 or 4 memes and going against flavor spec is making the most sense?

by **strike wolf** on Tue Aug 09, 2011 10:40 am

strike wolf wrote:
kwanton wrote:um. guessing that guy from the movie who wears the mask.

Jim Carrey!!

Lol jk. the political/anarchy themed one. You guys know what I'm talking about but I can't remember the name. Guy something.

*internal: you're such a troll. You're thinking of V wearing the Guy Fawkes. You Anarchist! It was from the movie V For Vendetta. Can't you remember movies?*

It's V. Don't worry we all forget names.

@Mr. Squirrel: I'm confused weren't you participating in the flavor spec? Now you're saying that the guy who seems to be including elements of 3 or 4 memes and going against flavor spec is making the most sense?

Ebwop: to clarify I mean flavor spec on who is what role. Medefe said he didn't consider it scum hunting but Squirrel composed a list of "obvious" ones.

by **Rodion** on Tue Aug 09, 2011 11:12 am

Squirrel helped with the spec as far as diagnosing obvious memes. He never said anything about liking the "let's find out who the evil memes are" approach.

Medefe said he didn't mind the spec as long as people didn't try to buy town cred for what he considers "fake scumhunting" (and I agree with him on that - actually, given the order of posts, he agrees with me).

I don't see how Squirrel thinking Medefe's position has made the most sense so far is confusing/incompatible/incoherent.

As far as Medefe mixing memes, THAT is interesting. I see 3 options:
a) character is related to role - Medefe realizes his character is easily associated with a town power role and wants to preserve himself by consufing us with several PRs
b) character is related to alignment - Medefe realizes his character is easily associated with an anti-town alignment and wants to preserve himself by confusing us with several PRs
c) PCM/Commander gave him a hybrid meme or a "metameme" (a meme about other memes) of sorts

My knowledge about my role PM allows me to conclude it is not "b" as far as the" 'evil memes' are mafia" theory goes. I think I know how to better understand this, though. It's just a matter of time.

by **Talapus** on Tue Aug 09, 2011 11:13 am

strike wolf wrote:
strike wolf wrote:
kwanton wrote:um. guessing that guy from the movie who wears the mask.

Jim Carrey!!

Lol jk. the political/anarchy themed one. You guys know what I'm talking about but I can't remember the name. Guy something.

*internal: you're such a troll. You're thinking of V wearing the Guy Fawkes. You Anarchist! It was from the movie V For Vendetta. Can't you remember movies?*

It's V. Don't worry we all forget names.

@Mr. Squirrel: I'm confused weren't you participating in the flavor spec? Now you're saying that the guy who seems to be including elements of 3 or 4 memes and going against flavor spec is making the most sense?

Ebwop: to clarify I mean flavor spec on who is what role. Medefe said he didn't consider it scum hunting but Squirrel composed a list of "obvious" ones.

Can I get a HALLELUJAH! Our brother here speaks the truth. It was just a list of more obvious ones to give us of jump off point. Also, Kwan is being quite the troll, you realize you will BURN IN ENTERNAL FIRES OF HELL FOR YOUR DISGUSTING SINS! But, Jesus loves you. Come by service next week and we can get you saved! Bring a friend, and we'll save them too. PRAISE JESUS!

by **kwanton** on Tue Aug 09, 2011 11:19 am

Ok I've finally clicked around memebase (pretty funny stuff) and have a grasp of a bunch of the memes that could be around.

I've compiled a list of exactly what memes I think are scum, which are town, and which are third party. I believe I am 100% right on this and will be going on a scum-vendetta when I reread this thread a little bit more.

My compilation can be found here. Review at your convenience.

by **Talapus** on Tue Aug 09, 2011 11:28 am

kwanton wrote:Ok I've finally clicked around memebase (pretty funny stuff) and have a grasp of a bunch of the memes that could be around.

I've compiled a list of exactly what memes I think are scum, which are town, and which are third party. I believe I am 100% right on this and will be going on a scum-vendetta when I reread this thread a little bit more.

My compilation can be found here. Review at your convenience.

ARRRRRRGH! My ears, my precious ears. You are possessed or cursed, THE POWER OF CHRIST COMPELS YOU(Throws holy water on Kwanton). BE GONE DEMON, LEAVE THIS MORTALS BODY AND SOUL!

Let us pray.

by **safariguy5** on Tue Aug 09, 2011 12:59 pm

MeDeFe wrote:
strike wolf wrote:
safariguy5 wrote:
kwanton wrote:UMAD?

I still think that speculating on roles and possible alignment won't hurt us as long as we're not dumb about it. This is a game of information-gathering so I don't understand why people are voting me for trying to gather information. I'm sticking by my guns on this one.

I agree. Just because a PR isn't gamebreaking in and of itself doesn't mean it isn't relevant. Tal basically hid in plain sight with a self imposed PR in Resort and Evil Chef's M.O. in South Park was imposing the soup PR. So I'm with kwan on this one, we can't discount PR's. No doubt some are town, some are mafia. Still relevant.

This is bullshit.

FTFY

I'm willing to bet a fingernail that every player (at least every player with powers) has a PR of some sort in this game. Rodion got it right before, he's a dawg with a good head on his shoulders, in a vampire-themed mafia you can't give the scum PRs about how much the love to drink blood. In a meme-themed mafia you can't give the scum "evil" memes and PRs that reveal what meme they are, that'd be game-breaking.

It's more probable that some memes are conspiring, or that one group of similar memes is working together, but the possibilities there are endless or even OVER 9000!!!!! So it's pretty much useless to speculate about details, even more so that trying to identify "evil" memes. Just saying, it's an easy way of balancing the game and allowing for widespread PRs.

You dawgs are of course free to put together your le list of what meme any given player might have been assigned, but don't even pretend to be hunting for scum in our base with that. I am somewhat disappoint that you would even consider it a realistic means of finding scum.

What? Every player with a power has a PR? Doesn't this make it easy for mafia to pick off the town power roles then? A good mod (and I consider these two to be good mods) spreads out the PRs across both town and mafia, power roles and VT's (or lesser power roles if this is NV).

by **MeDeFe** on Tue Aug 09, 2011 3:22 pm

safariguy5 wrote:What? Every player with a power has a PR? Doesn't this make it easy for mafia to pick off the town power roles then? A good mod (and I consider these two to be good mods) spreads out the PRs across both town and mafia, power roles and VT's (or lesser power roles if this is NV).

Dawg, scum is a power role (at the very least they get to talk to each other by PM), too, and I just mentioned it as a possibility since PRs have been tied to powers in some way in every game I've played in (excluding this one, about which I will make no statements either way). What you say about non-vanilla is true, I consider that a possiblity to motivate people to try and observe their PRs, maybe a single VT for teh lulz.

by **safariguy5** on Tue Aug 09, 2011 3:27 pm

MeDeFe wrote:
safariguy5 wrote:What? Every player with a power has a PR? Doesn't this make it easy for mafia to pick off the town power roles then? A good mod (and I consider these two to be good mods) spreads out the PRs across both town and mafia, power roles and VT's (or lesser power roles if this is NV).

Dawg, scum is a power role (at the very least they get to talk to each other by PM), too, and I just mentioned it as a possibility since PRs have been tied to powers in some way in every game I've played in (excluding this one, about which I will make no statements either way). What you say about non-vanilla is true, I consider that a possiblity to motivate people to try and observe their PRs, maybe a single VT for teh lulz.

Well I'll throw out a very recent example then. TeamCC mafia, streaker was a VT with a PR. Insane, but doesn't change the fact that he was VT. I've seen town and mafia have PR's. I've seen VT's and power roles have PR's. The existence or lack of a PR is not something that we can use to guess alignment or powers. Certainly it can be used for ID'ing individual memes, but it should not reveal much more than that in a properly balanced theme game.

by **Victor Sullivan** on Tue Aug 09, 2011 3:35 pm

MeDeFe even has Haggis_McMutton's avatar... Following the trends like a newb. I make trends, then promptly dismiss them as disgustingly popular. You know Justin Beaver? Yeah, I was the one who found him. Now, ew.

-Sully

by **Commander9** on Tue Aug 09, 2011 4:41 pm

Victor Sullivan wrote:MeDeFe even has Haggis_McMutton's avatar... Following the trends like a newb. I make trends, then promptly dismiss them as disgustingly popular. You know Justin Beaver? Yeah, I was the one who found him. Now, ew.

-Sully