New Briarsburg Mafia. Town Wins! Ga7 wins the premium prize!

[VioIet]

I am planning to reread this whole thread again or at least skim through it, now that I know all the roles. Want to give it a read through before I nominate someone.

Though I do have some thoughts before my read-through. Things I remember:

I was wrong about some people, but happy to say i was right about most. Called out flores, aage, haggis, blakebowling, jace, sax..lad, Victor, and ace artemis/stefunny all on Day 1.

Was wrong about flores. Aage was for the lulz- i knew we were sisters. Glad no one remembered that on Day 2. I was wrong abut sax too, but the rest were all correct surprisingly. Just too bad I wasn't able to put up better arguments to help support all my hunches. I at least hope some of my arguments were able to help people catch scum later in the game. I can't help but wonder if it helped give commander suspects.


I also had a theory on day one that there were two different mafia factions, due to the sheer size of the game. Haggis questioned me pretty aggressively after I made that point and I backed down. Now I know why he did He already knew there was two and was wondering how I knew. Maybe suspected I was part of the other one.


You guys called Dazey a bad player, but I think she was better than she was given credit for. She was the first to call out Haggis, and it would have been interesting had she lived to Night 1, and then have been able to block Haggis. Interestingly, after she called out Haggis, her bandwagon picked up full swing again.

However examining all the roles in the game, and I hate to say this, but town roleblocker was one of the least valuable ones. Dazey's death didn't really prove detrimental to the game and at that point, we did have a townblocker role to give or lose. I'm glad we didn't lose some of the doctors or medical enables, or trackers, etc. All the other town roles were more important, imo.
(sorry dazey, love you)

I really would have liked for lalaland to have been active or at least replaced. I like that rope salesman role. Could have definitely changed the game dynamics, and I know she would have used it well.

Sax..lad, why didn't you try to stop a lynch? For example, it would have been very useful for you to stop Dazey and Aage's lynch.

Karel, i don;t get why in the world you killed me. Its true its somewhat random, and you have to take a guess- but a lot of wrong kills were made. In that role, I don't think I would kill- just for the sake of killing since you have an action. I would wait until I knew for sure about someone's role. But at the end of Day 2, my name and alignment was shown in the scene and you still killed me during the night I agree herk played well in one aspect, but i think he also had some influence on who karel decided to kill.

I do think commander played very well. He analyzes well and has a good hunch for whether someone is town or scum. However I do wish that he would have revealed to everyone that I was town on Day 2. I think it would have helped clear me and could have maybe stopped aage's lynch. I was a little sore he kept this info to himself. I can understand why he did- he didn't want to out his role before it was necessary and make himself a target for scum. However I can't help but wonder if he had spoke up about me sooner, if it would have saved me and even aage. I think it probably would have.

I also would have liked the game to continue until all the mafia were gone. We still had two mafia left when the game ended. Don't think it was fair for them to lose so fast. And at the rate that karel was killing townies, they might've had a chance. Karel's role made me sure there was some serial killer out there.

Also if the godfather and godmother knew that once they killed the other one- all the goons would join their mafia. That meant they probably tried to be careful about killing a suspected mafia member. They would want to only kill the other godfather, but not one of the goons.

I'm a little sad that they game is over It kept me glued to this forum for many hours. I will remember many morning/aftenoons/evenings, I sat here with my tea/coffee/soda spending hours reading through this game. I found Day One to be hilarious. I wonder if this game will be just as funny during a re-read, especially now that I know all the roles.

Thanks for the game Mr.Squirrel. I know it was a ton of work. I loved your roles and story-telling. Would happily join any game you mod again. I can give a nomination after I re-read.

[theherkman]

I don't think he had a choice in using his CPR kill. This was a fantastic game. All played it quite well. Sorry about the early death, Vi.

[theherkman]

Oh, and the reason you were targeted is because of the ying-yang usually being opposites. It was almost like a dead pointer that one of you were town and the other was mafia. That is why Karel chose you.

[VioIet]

I understand that, however in aage's death scene- it also gave my name and alignment. So had karel read the lynch scene, he would have seen that I was town despite the yin/yang.
And he had to read the lynch scene- I mean why wouldn't he? So should have been no reason to kill me. People even commented in the thread at that point that i was a confirmed townie.
So basically karel saw my name, my town alignment, others confirming i was town and still killed me anyway

[edocsil]

Ga7 for MVP, good god I wished I had gotten to play this one a bit more. Once I had my armor I would have gone for the ray of salvation. Two confirmed townies would have been able to wrap up in a hurry.

Mr. S if I had gone for the dooms day device would I have turned up as scum or innocent?

[TA1LGUNN3R]

Very good. I look forward to any more games you host, Mr. Squirrel, even if they're smaller. I didn't even want the premium, I just wanted to play in a large game.

Yeah I didn't kill anyone because I didn't know for sure. I actually sent a pm to Squirrel to kill jace on N3 I think, but then I deleted it before he received it. I figured him for scum, but when herk started questioning me, I thought someone might have been watching. Turns out he wasn't able to be targeted anyway.

Sax I knew you were scum, too. If I had just made it one more night, I was gonna kill you.

I'm still pissed I died the night before the last day.

-Tails

[TA1LGUNN3R]

I lol'ed at the rope salesman backstory, too...

"He just wants to sell his rope..."

-Tails

[Haggis_McMutton]

First of all, once more, great game Mr. S.

Second:

Well, in my balancing scenarios I found that the mafia was screwed unless one of the Godfathers got killed. Until the mafias could unite, they were at a great disadvantage. That is why I gave commander that ability. It actually benefited the scum rather than hurt them. It only sucks for the godfather that got caught.

Unfortunately I'm a scheming bastard and would rather take my whole mafia down than lose. Aka no one in my mafia knew about that condition. They thought that if i die they lose, hence the willing sacrifice of Jace.
Also, since Victor was my personal bodyguard basically, he had to know i was GF, but we initially told blake and Jace that it was the other way around, that Victor was GF.
Nothing personal blake and Jace, but, y'know, why take an unneeded risk. With the complexity of this game you can never be too sure about what alternate goals people in my group might have.

Also:

Abilities: At any time during the game, you can kill another player. You do this by sending me a pm with the player's name and either the name of their role (i.e. cop, doc, etc.) or a detailed description of their role (since some roles don't have traditional names). That player will immediately die. The player must have at least 5 votes on them for you to kill them

WHY OH WHY did my group not have this role ...
Oh, the possibilities ...
Curses ...


About nominations, I'm going to have to go with the pro-town guys that didn't buy my claim for a minute, I believe ga7 and Flow.
Btw, totally called it on Thez being scum. If I had survived I would have claimed I got him guilty the next day.

[nagerous]

Yeah if you have doubts about who is scum don't take the risk targetting them.

Particularly when I've cleared them like with tails..

[TA1LGUNN3R]

Yeah if you have doubts about who is scum don't take the risk targetting them.

Particularly when I've cleared them like with tails..

Hey thanks for trying.

Karel, you bastard Whatever happened to the Hippocratic oath?

-Tails

[karelpietertje]

Sarah Yin was sitting outside the office of her boss, performing her daily secretarial work. There had been some suspicion of her by the growing mob outside, but with her sister fighting for her innocence, she felt comfortable going to work instead of being there in person.

"Take me instead!" Tessa Yang shouted to the crowd of people. "My sister is innocent and I can prove it!" The crowd was unappeased though and instead marched toward the office building where Yin was working. Up until the moment the mob took her sister, Yang was fighting the crowd as much as she could but it was to no avail. The crowd took Sarah Yin and set her before a squad. Yang ran away, completely unable to watch as her sisters blood was spilled across the concrete.

Aage: Sarah Yin - Town Bulletproof Enabler has been lynched!

Night 2 begins!
It will last about 3 days from this post.

Violet, but all this scene says about Yang is that she can prove Yin is innocent, and that she's completely unable to watch as her sisters blood was spilled. Of course, I'm not happy with the result, but I don't think my reasoning was bad.

@Iliad, strike wolf, it is advantageous to use the CPR doc skill every night. Even though this feels weird when the odds of getting a mobsters are less than 50%. For one, you have the added chance of saving a townie when your target isn't scum.
The reason I got so many townies was bad luck, but unless there wasn't even the slightest bit of information, I would always use it.

Although of course for TA1LGUNN3R I have no good excuse. Looking back, I don't know how I missed the clear. We had intended to do it the night before already, when he had looked real scummy, and he kept feeling scummy.

[karelpietertje]

Yeah if you have doubts about who is scum don't take the risk targetting them.

Particularly when I've cleared them like with tails..

Hey thanks for trying.

Karel, you bastard Whatever happened to the Hippocratic oath?

-Tails

I thought you were choking and in need of a new air-route to your lungs

[TA1LGUNN3R]

Yeah if you have doubts about who is scum don't take the risk targetting them.

Particularly when I've cleared them like with tails..

Hey thanks for trying.

Karel, you bastard Whatever happened to the Hippocratic oath?

-Tails

I thought you were choking and in need of a new air-route to your lungs

Haha well ok, that explains everything.

-Tails

[spiesr]

Vote for Ga7.
Had you given him the kill power he would have won if Team Rocket didn't randomly kill him.

[VioIet]

Still can't nominate yet. Only on page 37. Reading back it doesn't seem as funny the second time around and some issues are annoying me all over again. I think if i recall correctly, the game started to get good around page 50- so I just need to keep going.

I will say that is amazing ga7 managed to stay alive after admitting that he was 3rd party. Usually third party is killed soon after they are outed or even suspected. The thing is at the time everyone was quite focused on Victor and getting scum. and all the hype about commander finding the gun. So I suppose that was the perfect time for ga7 to claim. This was probably because he didn't have a killing role, at least that anyone knew of, so know one worried about him.
Also then shouldn't ga7 be the winner and not the town? I thought usually if third party survives and town survives, then third party is the winner of the two. I thought town had to eliminate all anti-town factions to win.

However, ga7 pushed much too hard for aage's lynch for my liking, which also ended up resulting in my death. Because of that I don't think I will nominate him.

If I could nominate scum- I would definitely nominate Haggis, hands down. You played briliiantly, and you cleverly managed to to evade my suspsicions against you and offer good counter arguments. No one else even suspected you to my knowledge, until Commander found the gun on you Day 4.

I still think scum played the game better during the first half- but with all the investigations coming out in the second half- there was nothing they could do.
Victor played well until he was outed- actually the best performance I've ever seen by him. Some of perhaps could've been better, but killing fir was good for the scum- so he didn't do bad. Overall good performance by him. Thead was great too.

Okay Karel. I thought it was obvious I was town, but I guess I can understand. I thought that the CPR doctor knew I was town and unlychable so figured that scum would try to target me; thus by targeting me, he would save me.

I see a nomination for Flow. Flow didn't stand out to me the first time through- but through my re-reading I may catch some things. I'll try to pay more attention to Flow this time around.

I remember Illiad and spiesr impressing me a lot the first time around. My nom will probably end up going to one of those two.

I think the end of the game was a bit unbalanced for the mafia. Even with karel killing some townies, it still didn't hurt the town too much and mafia was more disadvantated each round/day. Also I think the game should have continued until the goons were caught.

[aage]

Yes, Haggis played very very well. Handled the claims against him pretty good and I also lol'd when I read that there actually was an FBI team

Since I can't I'll nominate Nag for good play and Strike for using his role the best way dramatic death much? lmao

[Mr. Squirrel]

Oh, another question Mr. Squirrel: you said there would be anti-claim mechanisms, so I have been careful even until the very end to leave any info on what kind of role I was.

Would you only have acted if there was a mass-claim?

No, I created thez to act as an anti-claim guy. Since he could kill people by knowing their role, I figured it would become a bloodbath once lots of claims started. Unfortunately he didn't use the ability quite like I thought he would.

Also karel: that is NOT how you play a town vig.

Yea, I have never seen such an active vig in my whole time of playing mafia.

Mr. S if I had gone for the dooms day device would I have turned up as scum or innocent?

You would have still been town. It would have been funny to make you scum, but I wasn't going to surprise you like that.

As for nominations, a lot of you are saying Commander and Ga7 should get it (nag too, but he wants ga7 to have his). I agree with both but I am unsure who the third should be yet.

[Commander9]

First of all, I'll repeat myself - great game all. I was extremely worried after Night 2, when we've been extremely unsuccessful and mafia was playing so well, but a couple of key things happened and we've pulled it through!

I'll leave a few thoughts how some of the players played:

Ga7 - great game as a survivor. Didn't attract too much attention to himself from neither mafia, nor town and used his abilities rather well (he could have used it more, but as a survivor, he was being cautious and rightly so). By no means a perfect display, but could be best showing of the whole class. I'd say that his grade is 9/10

Herkman - both efficient and inefficient at the same time. Should've controlled his team a bit better (Karel definitely needed some calming down ) and was playing too aggressively, especially while knowing that if he'd die, the whole hospital would go to abyss and town would be pretty much screwed. Then having said, while some of his lies definitely were a bit over board and could have had him lynched, some of the bluffs worked out great for the town. It's possible that if he hadn't bluffed about all those protections, a number of would have died rather fast (although this also says that mafia also didn't play this smart enough. In conclusion, I'd say a pretty good game overall, but there's still lots of room for improvement. Grade: 7.

Commander9 - as far as my first real test, it went pretty well. Day 3 outing of Victor and then helping the town on tracks was one of the key turns, but I've also made mistakes, with the biggest one doubting my results and almost letting Haggis slip. Overall, I've helped to oust a lot of mafia, but I've also could have played better. Fairly decent game with this role, so I'll give myself a 7.5

Karel - no offence, but I didn't thought he had a very good game. No complaints about his day time playing, but 1/6 record over the night is horrendous and mafia must have been really happy with this. Grade: 4.

Naxus - IMO, a rather good game and used her role really well. Supported town in some of key moments for lynches and had a good game overall. Grade: 7.5

Strike Wolf - Did extremely well with a rather limited role and was extremely useful to town. Some great analyses, lots of help with key lynches and had some great roles invented. Along with Ga7, probably the player who deserves MVP the most. Grade: 9.

Edocsil and vioiet - probably 2 players that have been a bit unde-appreciated and both died prematurely. I wanted to thank both of them for giving me some ideas and thoughts, which highly influenced the people I've investigated. Well played, both - town was lucky to have you. Grade: 7.

Nag - another player who did a lot for town and is probably a bit under-appreciated. Participated in most key lynches and used his role well. Grade: 7.5

Haggis - had a rather good strategy and his long post-analyses was a brilliant idea. Played really well, although should have been a bit less aggresive, because that's one of the main reasons I've investigated him. Well played, Sir. Grade: 8.5


In conclusion, I'd say if you'd take into account everyones roles and how well they did, I'd be suggesting Wolf or Ga7.

[Fircoal]

I personally believe it should go to ga7. Played a great game, and did so much more than just any lame survivor and managed to survive well, even if his recruits didn't. x3

[Fircoal]

Also, I get no votes D:

[strike wolf]

Admittedly I'm quite flattered that some people are nominating me along side ga7...I thought I played well but didn't expect to be considered among the top...however like nag...I already have premium so I'm also going to follow nag's lead as far as withdrawing myself. I stick with my initial votes of ga7 and commander and add a vote to fircoal. His actions were pretty good.

My problem with nominating herk is this. He probably wouldn't have had to bluff so much if he hadn't been overly aggressive day 1. Let's not forget the behavior that got him in A position he had to make some kind of claim to begin with.

[aage]

The biggest point I have against Herk is that despite the fact that he was town, it wasn't a "fun" game with him in there. He was playing the dominant, agressive jerk who was always right. That doesn't earn a prize in my book.

[theherkman]

Vote for Ga7.
Had you given him the kill power he would have won if Team Rocket didn't randomly kill him.

Ummmm, we never killed him...

[Victor Sullivan]

First of all, once more, great game Mr. S.

Second:

Well, in my balancing scenarios I found that the mafia was screwed unless one of the Godfathers got killed. Until the mafias could unite, they were at a great disadvantage. That is why I gave commander that ability. It actually benefited the scum rather than hurt them. It only sucks for the godfather that got caught.

Unfortunately I'm a scheming bastard and would rather take my whole mafia down than lose. Aka no one in my mafia knew about that condition. They thought that if i die they lose, hence the willing sacrifice of Jace.
Also, since Victor was my personal bodyguard basically, he had to know i was GF, but we initially told blake and Jace that it was the other way around, that Victor was GF.
Nothing personal blake and Jace, but, y'know, why take an unneeded risk. With the complexity of this game you can never be too sure about what alternate goals people in my group might have.

I felt like a true scum lying to my scummates and it felt awesome! That was bomb-diggity, Mr. Squirrel, though I feel the mafia were at a slight disadvantage, but I'm biased

I'm gonna nominate Flores for the prize (for now, at least).

[FloresDelMal]

I felt like a true scum lying to my scummates and it felt awesome! That was bomb-diggity, Mr. Squirrel, though I feel the mafia were at a slight disadvantage, but I'm biased

I'm gonna nominate Flores for the prize (for now, at least).

aaww i'm so touched *smooches victor* the truth is that I'm glad i played this, i expend a good part of the game feeling utterly annoyed by some players *cough herk cough daze* but then i kept going mostly for 2 reasons.

1: i wanted to win the premium for the frenchy (i thought if i wont it i could give it as a xmas gift to him).
2: i wanted to help to nurture new players

but with 1, there is not so much point, my babe did such an awesome job, that he don't really need my help for get the premium, he did a pretty good job by himself, i never saw anyone do so much with a survivor role.

and with 2, well i kinda screwed up that one too as hard as i tried to "nurture" new gamers (because i'm loving seeing the mafia community so active, and new members are necessary for keeping going) my knack for sarcasm and tough love might have distracted of the message, but well, i really did my best.

Now, i will bend a bit the rules and nominate 5 persons!!! yeah, you read well good ppl of cc mafia, not one but five; and in this order of priority:

1.- Ga7, he is a great player, and my true BFF (sorry aage, pls don't cry ) also i don't think too many ppl could profit or enjoy more of a premium, he will surely put it to good use.

2.- Chu-chu i always respected him as a friend, mod and pretty good player, but this was the first time i had the chance to see him trying so hard on anything, and writing in good english also, i must admit it felt surreal at some point, it was great.

3.- Commander, by far the best newbie player i have seen, it was amazing how quickly he learned, and how much good he did with his role, but i felt he got a bit too sidetracked for my taste, i mean, what with this whole "i found a gun on guy X so ill vote guy Y" kind of deal? still don't get it, and the bickering with herk, oh my, i might have gotten post traumatic stress disorder with that, but at least he saw he was getting nowhere and stopped and behaved civil, which is more that can be said of power trip herk.

4.- Strike you played very well, you used a flawless logic most of the times when constructing your cases, and were an asset to town, the only reason you don't rank highest is because you don't need a premium, so is more of an honor mention kind of thing.

5.- Nag you did pretty well, you investigated the right ppl, and contributed to the discussion, and you made obvious to most experienced / perspicacious players that you were indeed the cop, but when it was obvious that the herk kept being suspicious of you and tails you could have spelled it out, even if it was obvious, even if you had made no mistakes, you could have been the bigger man and explain it with apples, because in my opinion with the way that the herk was making his mind about who was scum and who wasn't, he was more dangerous than a hyperactive monkey with a knife, and well since you don't need the premium either this is also an honor mention

Bottom line, even thought at the beginning it was very hard for me to stay in this game, i am glad i did, the roles were innovative, the balance was well achieved, the storytelling was superb, and even when things got extremely annoying at least they stayed interesting, so i am very happy with my overall gamming experience, thanks Mr. Squirrel, and merry xmas all.