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Poll ended at Tue Jun 27, 2017 2:48 am

skittles
0
No votes
pikanchion
3
21%
Masket
6
43%
Hotshot
0
No votes
Ragian
1
7%
Kwanton
3
21%
Dakky
1
7%
Samlen
0
No votes
Benga
0
No votes
Djfireside
0
No votes
Flores
0
No votes
Skoffin
0
No votes
Chu
0
No votes
Madmitch
0
No votes
Mandy
0
No votes
DDS
0
No votes
 
Total votes : 14

Re: [OFFICIAL] Lion King Mafia Day 1-Elephant's Graveyard Mu

Postby mandalorian2298 on Wed Apr 19, 2017 1:01 pm

Samlen wrote:
mandalorian2298 wrote:No! It's Day 1, you have 7-2 chance of hitting a Townie! :o That's a naughty, naughty Day Vig!

:lol:

So, now that Ragian's dealt with, who else is totaly fine with DDS' "No Lynch on Day 1" initiative? :-^

As interesting as Ragian's death is, i'm more curious as to why you've ignored the fact that I was for a day 1 no-lynch? If you're claiming to be the day vig then whatever but otherwise I'd like an answer cause hounding one player for wanting a day 1 no-lynch and ignoring another is weird at best.


Lol, yeah right. Unlike you kids I don't claim without a very good reason, and since so far it appears that that I can be obnoxious quit well without claiming.

As for the reasons of my not mentioning (I ignore nothing. UNAGI! ) your support of No Lynch - I move in mysterious ways. Maybe I just wanted to see what approach to damage control you are going to choose. ;)
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Re: [OFFICIAL] Lion King Mafia Day 1-Elephant's Graveyard Mu

Postby mandalorian2298 on Wed Apr 19, 2017 1:03 pm

mandalorian2298 wrote:
Lol, yeah right. Unlike you kids I don't claim without a very good reason, and since so far it appears that that I can be obnoxious quite well without claiming, there isn't one, yet.

As for the reasons of my not mentioning (I ignore nothing. UNAGI! ) your support of No Lynch - I move in mysterious ways. Maybe I just wanted to see what approach to damage control you are going to choose. ;)

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Re: [OFFICIAL] Lion King Mafia Day 1-Elephant's Graveyard Mu

Postby kwanton on Wed Apr 19, 2017 1:32 pm

I agree with Mandy.

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Re: [OFFICIAL] Lion King Mafia Day 1-Elephant's Graveyard Mu

Postby dakky21 on Wed Apr 19, 2017 2:52 pm

I also agree with Mandy, suggesting no lynch day 1 is scummy by itself, and I congratulate the naughty, naughty day Vig for the shot :)
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Re: [OFFICIAL] Lion King Mafia Day 1-Elephant's Graveyard Mu

Postby madmitch on Wed Apr 19, 2017 3:02 pm

nice shot =D> =D> , okay who's next in the scum line?
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Re: [OFFICIAL] Lion King Mafia Day 1-Elephant's Graveyard Mu

Postby Skittles! on Wed Apr 19, 2017 3:09 pm

I don't think the argument about DDS has much value, even more so with Ragian out of the picture. Ragian did try and differentiate himself from DDS in the scum/town alignments, which I think got him caught out. I understand both sides of the argument pertaining no lynch/lynch on day 1, so I'm not gonna weigh into the debate there.
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Re: [OFFICIAL] Lion King Mafia Day 1-Elephant's Graveyard Mu

Postby Ragian on Wed Apr 19, 2017 5:33 pm

I can't fucking believe this. I'll support what I've said as town too, FYI. Oh well, can't argue with ethics of consequence. They can be wrong all the way to the right outcome and claim victory.

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Re: [OFFICIAL] Lion King Mafia Day 1-Elephant's Graveyard Mu

Postby DirtyDishSoap on Wed Apr 19, 2017 8:33 pm

mandalorian2298 wrote:No! It's Day 1, you have 7-2 chance of hitting a Townie! :o That's a naughty, naughty Day Vig!

:lol:

So, now that Ragian's dealt with, who else is totaly fine with DDS' "No Lynch on Day 1" initiative? :-^

Sigh, guilty by association now.

I applaud the Vigilante though for a successful hit. The probability for him to be correct about Ragian being scum was still low.

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Re: [OFFICIAL] Lion King Mafia Day 1-Elephant's Graveyard Mu

Postby HotShot53 on Wed Apr 19, 2017 9:51 pm

When I first started playing mafia on here, I was also an advocate for a no-lynch day 1. I was quickly persuaded that for town a lynch is almost always better, and unless a deadline interferes I've never seen a voted on no-lynch get majority. However, I don't know that it is alignment indicative for DDS and sam, as they haven't learned better yet... for ragian, I would have expected him to have played enough on here to know better.

As for mandy, I don't know if his bragging about the day kill indicates he is the day vig, or if he's just trying to soft claim it to avoid people voting for him. Before that happened I was leaning towards voting him for going after the easy "vote the no-lynchers" vote without any indication that DDS is actually scum.

kwan jumping on the DDS bandwagon now that mandy seems more towny, raises a red flag for me. FOS Kwan

in any case I will unvote my joke vote for now
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Re: [OFFICIAL] Lion King Mafia Day 1-Elephant's Graveyard Mu

Postby mandalorian2298 on Thu Apr 20, 2017 2:25 am

HotShot53 wrote:...
As for mandy, I don't know if his bragging about the day kill indicates he is the day vig, or if he's just trying to soft claim it to avoid people voting for him. Before that happened I was leaning towards voting him for going after the easy "vote the no-lynchers" vote without any indication that DDS is actually scum.

kwan jumping on the DDS bandwagon now that mandy seems more towny, raises a red flag for me. FOS Kwan

in any case I will unvote my joke vote for now


I think that you are misusing "easy" when you mean to say "simple". Please note that until Kwanton voted, my vote was the only one on DDS. Instead of joining this "easy" vote, most players attacked me instead. As for the reason for my choice to go after the simple No Lynch Advocate target, there is a reason why that is a simple choice - it targets the behavior that is against Town's interests. On Day 1, an opportunity for a simple lynch choice is a boon for the Town since the alternative is usually at least semi-random lynch.

Also, while my vote does remain on DDS since a) lynch No Lynch advocates is good strategy and b) it might provide even further perspective on the people supporting/opposing his lynch; I am starting to think that an even juicier target might be available before Day 1 ends.
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Re: [OFFICIAL] Lion King Mafia Day 1-Elephant's Graveyard Mu

Postby Minister Masket on Thu Apr 20, 2017 8:03 am

That's an amazing shot by whoever the Vigilante is, but I can't help feeling majorly confused about how exactly Ragian was nailed on as a valid target.

Just had a quick read back and the only two major things Ragian really did so far was agree with my Day 1 Lynch post and be suspicious of mandy for his DDS targeting:

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Samlen wrote:DDS isn't the only one who likes no-lynching on the first day. By day 2, town power roles will be able to help steer the town in a better direction, even if they don't come out and say what information they gained during the night. A lynch at this point is completely random and will most likely hit town, not scum.


If you consider the bigger picture then it really shouldn't matter if you're for or against a No Lynch on Day 1, because there's enough pros and cons for either point for there to never be an ideal choice. I don't think I've ever voted someone specifically for their stance on this issue.
Statistically the argument probably falls for Pro No D1 Lynch, but personally I quite like the info you get from near-lynch debates, so I'm kinda constantly on the fence about it.

QFT

DDS has explained his position, which he also did in BNI. I disagree with the playstyle, but one must acknowledge other playstyles. I don't like how mandy is conducting himself at this point. I'll agree to having skimmed a lot of the lynch-no lynch argument because I've read it one million times and nothing new ever emerges (which is why I have my viewpoint).
1 Mandy tries to make something out of nothing in a DDS quote.
2 Mandy votes DDS for having a different style of play.

@Mandy, what gives? Why are you on DDS so much? In my view, your behaviour is the scummiest at this point (of the people who have actually contributed).


If the reasoning was the stance on mandy, then why was DDS (who pushed way harder) not the target? Or myself who held a similar view?
It makes me think it was either a completely random choice that seriously lucked out, or there's some more day action shenanigans going on behind the scenes.

Whatever the case, it makes me think that mandy is town. I can't see Ragian pushing a fellow scum partner quite that hard so early on.
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Re: Lion King Mafia Day 1

Postby mandalorian2298 on Thu Apr 20, 2017 8:33 am

Skoffin on Sun Apr 16, 2017 2:15 am wrote: I was already half way to a lynch, lul. Pretty irresponsible for town to get carried away like that, so probably a good place to start to look for scummies.


...and with those words, the good ship Skoffin submerged for four days and counting. It's almost like she only participated in Day 1 conversation when there was a bandwagon forming on her. Townie behavior? I think not! [-X

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Re: [OFFICIAL] Lion King Mafia Day 1-Elephant's Graveyard Mu

Postby dakky21 on Thu Apr 20, 2017 12:42 pm

Minister Masket wrote:That's an amazing shot by whoever the Vigilante is, but I can't help feeling majorly confused about how exactly Ragian was nailed on as a valid target.
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Ragian voted mitch, then mandy & chu in one post, then flores and then DJ. Too many vote changes with a double vote as a joke. I already stated I think voting NPC's or double voteing is scummy. It was a great hit and I can understand why he was chosen for a hit.
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Re: [OFFICIAL] Lion King Mafia Day 1-Elephant's Graveyard Mu

Postby Fircoal on Thu Apr 20, 2017 12:53 pm

dakky21 wrote:
Minister Masket wrote:That's an amazing shot by whoever the Vigilante is, but I can't help feeling majorly confused about how exactly Ragian was nailed on as a valid target.
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Ragian voted mitch, then mandy & chu in one post, then flores and then DJ. Too many vote changes with a double vote as a joke. I already stated I think voting NPC's or double voteing is scummy. It was a great hit and I can understand why he was chosen for a hit.


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Re: [OFFICIAL] Lion King Mafia Day 1-Elephant's Graveyard Mu

Postby Fircoal on Thu Apr 20, 2017 1:01 pm

I don't think DDS is mafia. Think about it this way. First off he's committed to this argument. I know Mandy may think that just because someone is wrong they are scum, but I feel like that's a blind way of looking at things. If we did that for every game certain players would die Day 1 all the time, and most of the time they won't be scum. Furthermore he's standing too strong on his position. Scum want to hide, they don't want to make themselves known with UNPOPULAR OPINIONS.

Look at Ragianscum in comparison. He wasn't nearly pushing it as hard and was more wish-washy in it. He didn't want to be nailed for it but he probably did want it to happen. DDS however seems to take no issue letting himself get nailed for it. Or rather he thinks it's a risk worth taking. To me that screams town.

And because Ragian is scum I also find it very unlikely that the two of them would jump onto the same argument. Scum want to seprate, not join together. Espeically one a day 1 unpopular argument that could get them killed.
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Re: [OFFICIAL] Lion King Mafia Day 1-Elephant's Graveyard Mu

Postby Samlen on Thu Apr 20, 2017 1:17 pm

Minister Masket wrote:That's an amazing shot by whoever the Vigilante is, but I can't help feeling majorly confused about how exactly Ragian was nailed on as a valid target.

Just had a quick read back and the only two major things Ragian really did so far was agree with my Day 1 Lynch post and be suspicious of mandy for his DDS targeting:

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If the reasoning was the stance on mandy, then why was DDS (who pushed way harder) not the target? Or myself who held a similar view?
It makes me think it was either a completely random choice that seriously lucked out, or there's some more day action shenanigans going on behind the scenes.

Whatever the case, it makes me think that mandy is town. I can't see Ragian pushing a fellow scum partner quite that hard so early on.

I think that whoever took the shot knew Ragian pretty well and was able to discern his behavior as scummy in some way. As for Mandy, while I'll agree it's not likely that Ragian would push a lynch on a scummate so early, I'm not discounting it since it's something I would've done myself.

I've played a lot of mafia and there are only a couple of reasons I could see a no-lynch not being good on day 1: The scum consistently give themselves away or scum do not know their partners on day 1 (It's happened to me before, but I don't know if that would happen here). Unless you can firmly convince me of either I'm going to
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Re: [OFFICIAL] Lion King Mafia Day 1-Elephant's Graveyard Mu

Postby Fircoal on Thu Apr 20, 2017 2:02 pm

Unvote. Vote: Samlen

It feels like you're parroting what others had said now that the coast is clear. I just find it funny that you weren't talking up a storm like DDS back when it seemed less popular but you're willing to stick your neck out NOW. Feels like weird timing to me.
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Re: [OFFICIAL] Lion King Mafia Day 1-Elephant's Graveyard Mu

Postby madmitch on Thu Apr 20, 2017 3:08 pm

why are we back to no vote again? we already killed 1 scum lets try to get another one, we might get lucky.
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Re: [OFFICIAL] Lion King Mafia Day 1-Elephant's Graveyard Mu

Postby Samlen on Thu Apr 20, 2017 4:12 pm

Because that's all it is on day 1 mitch, luck. And the odds are against us since noon has actual concrete information.

@fircoal I'm just putting in a little more effort into what I've already been saying. I was too lazy put much effort into what was obviously a discussion that was unlikely to change anyone's mind.
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Re: [OFFICIAL] Lion King Mafia Day 1-Elephant's Graveyard Mu

Postby TimWoodbury on Thu Apr 20, 2017 6:04 pm

[list=]unvote vote firacle[/list]whoever the day vig is has a very nice shot with raigan. I can't imagine that Salman would Go the same route as raigan and no vote if he was scum as well .
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Re: [OFFICIAL] Lion King Mafia Day 1-Elephant's Graveyard Mu

Postby Fircoal on Thu Apr 20, 2017 6:51 pm

TimWoodbury wrote:[list=]unvote vote firacle[/list]whoever the day vig is has a very nice shot with raigan. I can't imagine that Salman would Go the same route as raigan and no vote if he was scum as well .


Eh, it doesn't really hold up anymore.

Once I said this:

Fircoal wrote:And because Ragian is scum I also find it very unlikely that the two of them would jump onto the same argument. Scum want to seprate, not join together. Espeically one a day 1 unpopular argument that could get them killed.


the WIFOM changes. At least in my opinion.

Besides Sam's opinion is more aligning with DDS not Ragian. (It just so happen Ragian was aligning with DDS before as well.
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Re: [OFFICIAL] Lion King Mafia Day 1-Elephant's Graveyard Mu

Postby FloresDelMal on Thu Apr 20, 2017 9:47 pm

Hey there; wish i had posted sooner but i was too busy baking a cake for the day vig, woohoo way to go =D>

Fircoal wrote:
FloresDelMal wrote:i think Skoffin is scum, what with the skimreading already and whatnot, why does she always look scummy, anyway i always think Skoffin is scum therefore unvote vote Skoff


I can't tell if this is a joke vote or not but this is the 4th vote on Skoffin. Either way it feels a bit suspisious to me.
In summary I'm slightly suspicous of Mandy and Flores. Mandy seems to be interested in a Skoffin lynch without much ryhme or reason. He also happens to be Mandy. Flores jumped in for the 4th vote without a strong case to do so, nor a manner of jokingness that usually is joined with those type of votes.


chu my dear, for getting you mixed up with MM you have my apologies, the only thing i can say in my behalf is that ive been ridiculously spacey lately, like staring into the emptiness for 2 hous spacey heh, but what i said still holds true :P

Now about the lovely but scummy skoff, i didnt realize that my vote was the fourth, but is not like i putted her at lynch -1, -2, heck not even -3, that was hardly a BW, but as things are my vote stands for now, yeah i might be joking when i say that she is ever scummy, but putting a vote on day 1 on someone who not only scummarine a lot, but also admitted to be skimming seemed, and still seems a good and logic day 1 choice to me, oh and by the way the dead scum also admited to skim before his early dismiss heh (classic scum signs are classic for a reason, they work :D )

Ragian wrote:DDS has explained his position, which he also did in BNI.


Does anyone knows if DDS has been cleared as town in this BNI thingy; i, not really into meta but could be interesting to take into consideration, as things stand in the fishy relationship between the corpse and DDS, oh btw FOS DDS

mandalorian2298 wrote:Confrontation, by itself serves little purpose. Only when a lynch is done, and the role of the lynched is revealed, can the confrontation be put into context, the posts and votes interpreted and the deductions made.


QFT enough been said (anymore yapping and i could suggest to mandy and dds to get a room because this starts to look like tsundere flirting to me)

Samlen wrote:As interesting as Ragian's death is, i'm more curious as to why you've ignored the fact that I was for a day 1 no-lynch? If you're claiming to be the day vig then whatever but otherwise I'd like an answer cause hounding one player for wanting a day 1 no-lynch and ignoring another is weird at best.


Well i dont live in mandys head, but i suppose you werent granted as much attention as the corpse and DDS simply because after stating your case you werent annoyingly obsessed with repeating yourself over and over, in other words, you made your point heard but didnt preach about it, congratulations in not being a drag, and sorry if you wanted more attention :roll:

Minister Masket wrote:That's an amazing shot by whoever the Vigilante is, but I can't help feeling majorly confused about how exactly Ragian was nailed on as a valid target.
If the reasoning was the stance on mandy, then why was DDS (who pushed way harder) not the target? Or myself who held a similar view?
It makes me think it was either a completely random choice that seriously lucked out, or there's some more day action shenanigans going on behind the scenes.

Whatever the case, it makes me think that mandy is town. I can't see Ragian pushing a fellow scum partner quite that hard so early on.

ok i think he was the chosen target over you because even thought you made your case, you were very half assed about it, basically you said some diplomatic wishy washy story about being ok with no lynch, but also ok with ppl voting each other for get info out of it, is like you posted for the sake of post, but didnt want to get on anyones bad side, and seems it worked, kudos, you still smell slightly fishy to me so ill FOS MM

And i think DDS was not chosen as a target because as opposed to your strategy he was extremely loud and out there voicing his thoughts, normally experienced scum try to keep a low profile like skoff or kwan, or look helpful to town, like throwing diplomatic non committing posts every now and then like you, but they weirdly dress themselves on neon coloured suits and bath themselves in glitter like DDS, so yeah, i dont think our vig did a random guess and lucked out, i think he or she is a great judge of character and it paid off
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Re: [OFFICIAL] Lion King Mafia Day 1-Elephant's Graveyard Mu

Postby mandalorian2298 on Fri Apr 21, 2017 12:16 am

Just a quick not to DDS: No, I will not debate the logic behind voting for you in a separate thread while this game is still running and we are both alive in it. :roll:
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Re: [OFFICIAL] Lion King Mafia Day 1-Elephant's Graveyard Mu

Postby DirtyDishSoap on Fri Apr 21, 2017 1:25 am

mandalorian2298 wrote:Just a quick not to DDS: No, I will not debate the logic behind voting for you in a separate thread while this game is still running and we are both alive in it. :roll:

It's meant to avoid another repeat in another game. :roll:

You're more than welcome to stay on this crusade of yours though.
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Re: [OFFICIAL] Lion King Mafia Day 1-Elephant's Graveyard Mu

Postby Skittles! on Fri Apr 21, 2017 3:24 am

FloresDelMal wrote:Hey there; wish i had posted sooner but i was too busy baking a cake for the day vig, woohoo way to go =D>
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I agree with you on this, Flores, especially on Masket. To me, Masket seems to be in a genuine oh shit moment, basically like "I have to play REALLY well this game because if I don't then I'm going to be caught out, like my scum buddy Ragian."

I'm actually going to Vote Minister Masket. I'm also going to FOS Madmitch because the latter has been trying to seem interested in the discussion yet also just positing nonsense (again...).
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