Civilization Mafia - Town Victory!

[TimWoodbury]

Okay chap. My role PM did not say there were uncivilised nations, any ideas of uncivilised nations can be inferred but it's not outright stated. So what does YOURS say eh?

that is true it dont directly say but it very much can be infered, it mine says you win when all threats to the civilised nations are eliminated.

[Minister Masket]

@aage You can absolutely lynch someone in this first week. It just means you didn't need the countdown to reach the limit.

Not according to what you said.

1. The Countdown Lynch Method.
This was born from my last mafia game and was chosen to be used by a majority of players in that game, so it's carrying over here.
Let's say on Day 2 there are 14 out of 16 players still alive. The number needed to lynch a player will therefore start at 14 and decrease by one every real life day.
Naturally, assuming one player dies during Night 2, that - and the lynch for Day 2 - will mean 12 players are alive for Day 3, so the number to lynch will start at 12, as will the number of real days for that game day. Etc etc.
The only exception to this rule will be Day 1, to allow for a settling in period. You will have a one week window before the countdown starts.
Sounds scary? Excellent. That's the idea, and it's brilliant for wiping out long game day slogs that last for weeks. Plus it means every vote has that much more impact, so choose wisely.

Ahhhh, I see what the issue is now. That 14 there should be a 13. Mod typo! The countdown starts at -1 total alive players.
Granted it's unlikely for a player to be voted by literally everyone else but it could happen.

I would say that Masket would play it as close to the game as possible so if there are no uncivilised nations in the game then we can say it more likely that it is barbarian hoards that the enemy . It is early doors right now but speculation is good - I still find it suspicious that some of the theories out there include people like aage saying Gandhi could be a villain - even if it is joking apparently?

I think it's pretty clear that it's a joke. That said. We have no idea what type of mod MAsket is. Or well we might but I forget. IT's very possible he's the type who would stuff an unexpected role as mafia. While it is a nice joke it is also possible that MM might have done it for the lolz. Never underestimate the lolz.

What do you mean? I've never ever done this...
*hopes no-one goes back to look up Trivial Twist Mafia...*

8. You are not allowed to quote any PM's given by the mod, until the game has ended. Loose paraphrasing is acceptable. Again, nasty things will happen if you do not comply.

I'd rather be as vague as possible but suffice it to say, this rule has been broken by a certain player, and nasty things will be happening to them effective immediately. Any further interpretations of the rules as "alternative facts" will be resulting in a modkill (a first for me).

[Skittles!]

"HURRRBURBLUR I AM JAPAAAAAAN!" is what I take from your comment. What has Japan done for me lately? Stolen my boyfriend and turned him into a weebo. You are no ally of mine, Sir.

Definitely a Japan claim there. I don't understand why people are already soft claiming their roles (i.e. benga with Germany), it is bizarre and not helpful imo.

First of all I accept dof from WCG who I think is Iran because of his priest that coverts, Aage might be India ? Ghandi reference GA7 Korean ? (kwanfirm),Strike with his Princess Bride reference,Floria against Guilden might be Florence Italy or guilden dutch money so Holland,then Sam with his unify comment could be communist ? so he could be Russia, China ,Cuba, Lao's, N Korea or Vietnam ? but with his confirmerino he might be Spain or Australian , Tims Yugioh is Japanese (Japan) Benga conger (Germany) and he wants to visit his WW2friend Japan. Allies of WW2 Japan were Germany and Italy, which leaves us with Dakky pokemon(Japan) or maybe Great Briton? and Skoffin with that hurrburblur remarkthat seems German and theRamcey Butler confirmation played by a Welsh actor (Wales) so I think Skoffins DOW on Dakky was to protect him.Fither Skoffin Germany and Dakky Japan or SKOFFIN Wales and Dakky Great Briton and I think Tims DOW is just scummy.

Again, I think this is super suss. Just as suss as what Dakky was doing pre-Day and during it. I don't think it matters what nations people, because throughout the series there has been a huge amount of nations to choose from, leaving a lot of characters/nations to pick from. Until we understand how the actual mechanics of the game works (like the negatives of war and the extra benefits of friendship apart from +1(?) vote to lynch).

In saying this, I do believe mitch is town and the flavour speculating is part of the game. I just don't agree with it at this point in time.

Secret negative effect on war declarations ?

No thank you, seems a bit rash to use that power so early and so freely.

Declaration of friendships on the other hand seem like they are more useful for anyone who is afraid of getting lynched and feel they need a buffer for protection. Personally I think it is pretty scummy to go out hunting alliances straight away in a mafia game - it is a useful tool for any uncivilised nations to use at any rate as subterfuge before launching a sneak attack.

I agree, like the soft-claiming and flavour speculating, I think it's very odd that people are already trying to declare friendships and war so early in the game.

Well, I don't know about the Ghandi bit. I read that as a joke fra Aage that dakky just played along with. He did, however, say that his nation is threatened by other nations. Is your nation threatened by other nations, benga?

only if we played hot seat civ
as I understood there are nations and there are barbarians
that's why I rather hear dakky expand more before we acting upon it

I am assuming you are gathering this hypothesis from the Civ game itself?

@Dakky, how do you know that the threats to your nation come from other nations?

In a game of nations, what else can be a threat to a nation except another nation? Actually, my role says so, so that's how I know. I also know there are civilized and uncivilized nations, the later one being a threat.

Also, benga trying to DoF with me is too rushed. Feels like he could be one of those uncivilized nations, especially after he said

as I understood there are nations and there are barbarians

...and we never mentioned exactly barbarians. Paraphrasing the role is possible here, but I'll still wait for a turn or two before accepting the friendship agreement.

This is sooooooooo weird. "My role says so" is what? Several people have already stated their PM did not mention uncivilised nations. However, you could have gotten that by the mentioning of civilised roles but nothing explicitly stated that.

It's entirely possible. I've been trying to figure who the 'uncivilized' people are and this is the answer that clicks the most for me. The most likely choices for 'uncivilized' are:
1.Barbarians
2.A few random civs were chosen to be the 'mafia'
3. We are all 'uncivilized' compared to each other so we are all trying to compete for solo victory.

If it's the first option the barbarians probably just kill someone each night instead of building stuff.

If it's the second option it's a group of civs that act like us but essentially have a secret alliance.

If it's the third option then what we build at night directly correlates on how we can protect ourselves/further ourselves towards (likely) solo victory and what we do during the day is probably figure out the strongest person and lynch them.

If this is how the game is, I think option 1 would be the most likely. I don't know if long term friendships can turn into factions or something (that would be cool but also ultimately scary for the town not in the 'coalition'), so at the moment all I think that it's civilised nations vs mafia with maybe a city state/survivor/sk thrown in there to keep it fresh. I don't know if it's possible in this game setting but would the role of Jester be able to exist? Dakky could possibly just be trying to get himself lynched with his aggressive points on several people.

Yeah, and I know the line, Skittles does not.

@Skoffin. Nag isnt civilised, he owes me an apology.

LOL @ Samlen, way to go and scumslip. This does quite a bit of diservice to Strike who is doing some sterling work in the trenches there.

Girl, please.

I am just interested how many of you have actually played civ, cause from what I read here most of you just don't understand references to the game.

There are no uncivilized nations in game, there are nations and there are barbarians.

@stike wolf, so you are saying all of us got the same pm with same roles?

Well also the main point of Civ is to take out all of the other civs or win by being more scientific/cultural/religious. It could be that some of our civs view some of the other civs as 'uncivilized.' Like the romans could view norway as uncivilized for basically being a bunch of vikings.

Came up this almost immediately after I posted that last bit, but since civ is usually a free for all maybe that's what this game is? The whole civilized vs uncivilized is just a flavor way of saying 'beat all of the other civs'.

I have an issue with this post. Do others feel the same way?

Yes and no. He could just be speculating on how Civ series games and if Masket has followed the series that thoroughly. Everything is FFA until declarations of alliances happen.

Just fixed up a quote

[Minister Masket]

A proposed DoF will be a dashed line as shown above, with dakky with the arrowhead being the receiver of the proposal. I know you basically declined it dakky but I'll keep the line there until if/when benga proposes another.

Skoffin and wing did receive more DoF's but as they're already locked into one, it's best not to show 'invalid' proposals so as to not clutter the image up.

[strike wolf]

So with 2 wars declared on him, dakky now needs 22 votes to be lynched right now with only 16 votes available... I'd say he's safe from being lynched for a while lol.

I don't think it works like that. Yeah, both Tim and Skoffin declared war and that should be +6 on me, but majority lynch is in place. That means first week we have 16 players and 9 is required for a lynch, so with two wars ongoing it would be 9 (+6 from wars) = 15 votes needed for my lynch, not 22. Only if I (or someone) start a third war I'd be lynch proof with 9 + 9 = 18 which would exceed the number of possible votes. Seems like a cool strategy to avoid sure lynch.

Also, are you going to answer my question Dakky? All the civilisations in the game are considered civilised. The clue is in the phrasing. We have no idea what criteria MM used to determine who is the scum. For all we know, Gandhi is a serial killer. As you said, think outside the box (am I doing this right?)

I'm going to answer your question with another question: How do you know all the civilisations in the game are civilised and how do you know Gandhi is a serial killer? I don't know anything about that, I know only that there are threats to my nation from other nations. Phrase it like you wish.

RequoTed with added emphasis on key word since some don't seem to be getting it. My issue was never with Dakky suggesting there are uncivilized people. That can actually be inferred from my role pm yes. It was never even the suggestion of uncivilized nations. It was that Dakky said he knows There are nations that pose a threat to him. He even confirmed it said so in his role pm. No one else is claiming this knowledge. In fact, the two most notably defending Dakky on that point are now claiming they don't have this knowledge.

[TimWoodbury]

Strike if the threat to dakky and us town is not other nations then what are the threats?

[strike wolf]

Strike if the threat to dakky and us town is not other nations then what are the threats?

I'm done explaining this. If you can't get the point I'm making by now than you're not going to get it.

[Ragian]

The silent majority hears you, strike. I'm more interested in Samlen, though, who seems to be suggesting that there are no factions.

[dakky21]

Re-reading last few pages I noticed I did bring up the possibility of uncivilized nations and even said my PM said so, but actually I was very wrong. There was no mention of uncivilized, that's just what I assumed as the opposite to civilized is ... uncivilized. So barbarians and similar bad guys should be possible as well.

[benga]

Re-reading last few pages I noticed I did bring up the possibility of uncivilized nations and even said my PM said so, but actually I was very wrong. There was no mention of uncivilized, that's just what I assumed as the opposite to civilized is ... uncivilized. So barbarians and similar bad guys should be possible as well.

touche!
the classic dakky, just rambling whatever drops on his mind

[madmitch]

Thanks Mandy, but I am not sure if I want to continual in a game with a cry baby that complained to MM that I broke the rules,and I did but by mistake,So hears to the Rat that went squealing to MM , I tell you guys be careful he is a mad man and loves to hand out punishment,So I am the great nation of Canada but under the dictatorship of the useless Trudeau who has taken away my god given right of freedom of speech and I will say no more on that matter, GO TRUMP

[nagerous]

Guess we all have different objectives then, maybe that's all the part of FFA.

Care to expand on this?

Are you going to answer this or conveniently ignore it? I will happily ask multiple times like a Paxman interview (British reference that I couldn't resist and NO not a soft claim of British empire) until you give me a satisfactory response.


I find your exchange with samlen at the bottom of page six HIGHLY questionable

[Skoffin]

I must have missed when Benga claimed Germany, as a few people mentioned it.

To a comment made by Nag before but which ceebs about quoting - why is the joke theory about Gandhi suspicious? If anything, I'd say it's a real possibility as it WOULD be staying true to the actual civ games. Gandhi/India was an incredibly war like nation in the games - in one of the early games there was a coding error that turned it from peaceful to the meme-machine nuke collecting nation. From there, the series decided to keep it that way for future games. So real-world Gandhi might be peaceful, but Civilisation Gandhi is a menace. So I'd say if we had a SK for example, I'd probably pick Gandhi for it.

Thanks Mandy, but I am not sure if I want to continual in a game with a cry baby that complained to MM that I broke the rules,and I did but by mistake,So hears to the Rat that went squealing to MM , I tell you guys be careful he is a mad man and loves to hand out punishment,So I am the great nation of Canada but under the dictatorship of the useless Trudeau who has taken away my god given right of freedom of speech and I will say no more on that matter, GO TRUMP

Really? You are just going to take your ball and go home? Myself and two other people actually got penalised in the pokemon game and you didn't see any of us bitch in the game and try to ruin in for everyone in protest. If this is how you will behave in games perhaps you shouldn't be allowed to join anymore. Calm down, yo.

[nagerous]

Skoffin you are entitled to your opinion and I am entitled to mine. Either way the scum probably have fake claims of civilisations either if they are in my view possibly barbarians so we can't rely on people's soft claims in any case as gospel.

How many civilisations are there in the most recent game? I have only played CIV 3 and CIV 1 (I am ooold) where I think there were 8 including Shaka of the Zulus and Stalin

[nagerous]

Just googled it anyway there were 15 in the original game so likely even more now so there are definitely plenty of fake claims to pick from - I remember now America and China were both light blue and couldn't be in the same game - weird MS DOS shit

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

Skoffin you are entitled to your opinion and I am entitled to mine.

Well no, you are not entitled to an opinion. Especially with that opinion.

[benga]

Guess we all have different objectives then, maybe that's all the part of FFA.

Care to expand on this?

Are you going to answer this or conveniently ignore it? I will happily ask multiple times like a Paxman interview (British reference that I couldn't resist and NO not a soft claim of British empire) until you give me a satisfactory response.


I find your exchange with samlen at the bottom of page six HIGHLY questionable

I have already answered, maybe you skipped it.

[nagerous]

Guess we all have different objectives then, maybe that's all the part of FFA.

Care to expand on this?

Are you going to answer this or conveniently ignore it? I will happily ask multiple times like a Paxman interview (British reference that I couldn't resist and NO not a soft claim of British empire) until you give me a satisfactory response.


I find your exchange with samlen at the bottom of page six HIGHLY questionable

I have already answered, maybe you skipped it.

No you haven't you have posted twice since I asked my question to you and neither answer why you think we all have different objectives? If your answer is because the game is a FFA then that is not good enough. My objective in this game is very clear and if you are not aligned with the town objective then you are th enemy vote benga

[dakky21]

I didn't accepted benga's DoF because it felt rushed, then he mentioned Barbarians, and then he guesses we have all different objectives, those three not in an order, but three things which bother me. The only thing why I won't vote him yet is the confirm stage, where I believe he confirmed Germany with "congerm" which should be a civilized nation. Or am I wrong?

[Samlen]

I didn't accepted benga's DoF because it felt rushed, then he mentioned Barbarians, and then he guesses we have all different objectives, those three not in an order, but three things which bother me. The only thing why I won't vote him yet is the confirm stage, where I believe he confirmed Germany with "congerm" which should be a civilized nation. Or am I wrong?

Pretty sure you're reading too much into 'congerm'. Besides the fact that it's a stretch, why would people want to reveal/drop hints as to who they are so early?

[dakky21]

I didn't accepted benga's DoF because it felt rushed, then he mentioned Barbarians, and then he guesses we have all different objectives, those three not in an order, but three things which bother me. The only thing why I won't vote him yet is the confirm stage, where I believe he confirmed Germany with "congerm" which should be a civilized nation. Or am I wrong?

Pretty sure you're reading too much into 'congerm'. Besides the fact that it's a stretch, why would people want to reveal/drop hints as to who they are so early?

Why did I reveal it so early? I guess the ultimate goal in every mafia game is to lynch scum if you're town, so "revealing" what nation you are or dropping hints in a game like this could be a good tactic. Not sure, I'm still a noob

[strike wolf]

I don't have anything about uncivilized in pm, I draw my conclusion from my experience with civ games and about dakky from my past experience with him.

I'm guessing this is what benga meant to be his response to your question, nag?

I don't specifically recall mine mentioning uncivilized either beyond what can be inferred from the use of civilized. However the pm I got definitely did not make this game seem like it would be a free for all. What made you feel it might be a free for all?

Benga confirmed Germany. So there's no reason to doubt that as his claim at the moment. It could also be a fake claim (there appears to be 20 civs in the game so more than enough to make fake claims for scum in this game) or even if true that he's necessarily civilized as I think it's a risky rush to judgment to assume that we can rely on claimed nation as reliable for their civility with so much still unknown.

Slight update to list:

Scum:

1. Dakky
2. Benga
3. Samlen-he backtracked with little pressure which appeared a natural back track but the initial suggestion still appears scummy.

I don't feel a particular need to out everyone I think is town at the moment.

[madmitch]

@ Skoffin , I was going to take my ball and go home but MM took it from me and put me in the corner wearing a dunce hat, to all players ,sorry about my outburst I am on pain medication and it can cause some mood changes, allis well in the great white north. Benga is Germany with his conger remark and then his statement about visiting his ww2 buddy Japan.

[benga]

Guess we all have different objectives then, maybe that's all the part of FFA.

Care to expand on this?

Are you going to answer this or conveniently ignore it? I will happily ask multiple times like a Paxman interview (British reference that I couldn't resist and NO not a soft claim of British empire) until you give me a satisfactory response.


I find your exchange with samlen at the bottom of page six HIGHLY questionable

I have already answered, maybe you skipped it.

No you haven't you have posted twice since I asked my question to you and neither answer why you think we all have different objectives? If your answer is because the game is a FFA then that is not good enough. My objective in this game is very clear and if you are not aligned with the town objective then you are th enemy vote benga

LOL not sure what you mean here
were did I say that my goal isn't clear?
you having clear goal doesn't make you town
where did I state I am not aligned with town
I am just stating these:

I don't have anything about uncivilized in pm, I draw my conclusion from my experience with civ games and about dakky from my past experience with him.

Re-reading last few pages I noticed I did bring up the possibility of uncivilized nations and even said my PM said so, but actually I was very wrong. There was no mention of uncivilized, that's just what I assumed as the opposite to civilized is ... uncivilized. So barbarians and similar bad guys should be possible as well.

touche!
the classic dakky, just rambling whatever drops on his mind

Like always, I don't draw conclusions out of thin air.
So far I have been right.

samlen apprently has his objective set to play as solo or third party, until I am sure no point in acting upon it
And we clearly have all different objectives either pro town, pro scum, pro 3rd party
I just didn't want dakky lynched fast like he always gets, w/o any valid reason.

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

I must have missed when Benga claimed Germany, as a few people mentioned it.

Yeah guys, whats going on.

I realise I am barely paying attention, but when did Benga claim?