[FINISHED] Board Game Mafia: Endgame - Piece of Peace

[BuJaber]

I was afraid that, during my absence, a new, saner, generation of players came along but I'm happy to report that this is not the case.

Perfect

Actually you won't find anything if they spare me. Just another townie will die and no new info. It's about the lynches, if they bandwagon on me, then you could find something new. But since I can help them, I don't expect that to happen.

I guess you're right. I started considering hypotheticals and I confused myself.

If it's properly balanced, in a game with 16 people, there should be at least 3 scum, few 3rd parties and at least 10 townies.

Thanks

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

As I said, we will see. If we get two scum lynched in two days, I'll probably switch to scum. If 4 townies are killed in 2 days (and 2 nights), I'll probably switch to town, especially if there was a good/fun role which got killed. The problem is I don't know what abilities roles have, as there is probably no "Town Cop" but instead he could be named "Town Dice Thrower", so choosing the abilities may be interesting. If a townie is close to a lynch, I suggest a full claim so when I hammer, I know what I will get if I choose that player.

Are you saying that you don't want to go with a winning team? Why?

This is a game, remember? I'll probably want to make it more interesting than pure winning.

He asked why you werent considering joining his team.... Basically he asked if he should nightkill you tonight and you said yes...

unvote HS

Interesting claim by Dakky. I can see how it could be a double edged sword but honestly seems to help Town more, at least in the early game. Survivor types have always worried me as they will in the end do what helps them to win, which is why more often I go for the lynch.

Dakky is different. He is a good insurance card for Town. I would however get nervous if he has not switched by mid game. the only scenario I can see him joining mafia is if it is a tight game where mafia needs to be lynched.

As far as Tim is concerned. My first inclination was to think he was Town. In fact he was my first Town read. He made several reads and was openly scum hunting. His posting frequency and length of posts do not suggest mafia to me. Now is that highlighted portion by Strike something that suggests that Tim is trying to hard? Maybe but with everything combined I am not buying it.

Vote LSU

Glad to see HS here.

No one attempts to remove momentum that easily. Tim is a legitimate lynch target, and you will not distract us by voting a easy absent player. IB, you always try to lynch 3rd party players early because of the threat they pose, and you rarely advocate pushing inactives.

Unvote Vote Tim.

Slash, we really need a votecount here.

[BuJaber]

UNVOTE Ragian I'm keeping my eyes open though

As of now I am pretty convinced Iron Butterfly is town. Mandalorian also suspects LSU. I'm gonna trust their read for this one.

Vote LSU Tiger Josh

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

Vote Mandy. Welcome back buddy

This is LSU's only post in the game. It is on page 4.

On what basis are you voting him BuJaber?

[Army of GOD]

My first reaction to dakky's claim is "what the hell is this" but now I'm leaning more and more towards "why should we trust him?"

he's not town, so it's not the same as randomly lynching someone and hoping they're not town.

I'll keep my vote on him for now

[BuJaber]

This is LSU's only post in the game. It is on page 4.

On what basis are you voting him BuJaber?

Honestly it's less to do with LSU and more to do with my reads on IB and Mandy. I believe scum win more often when town is divided. Sometimes agreement is a mistake, but you also need to take a leap of faith every so often, and trust another player.
Also I'm not that certain of anything at this point, but letting that stop me from posting or voting is definitely not the right move. Gotta gauge reactions.

Trust me though I'm a careful and skeptical player --- my feelings about anybody right now could change very quickly.


AoG -- You're right, we shouldn't trust him. But we don't have anything concrete right now, and he can be helpful. Since he claims he can help both teams, neither team really wants to get rid of him. If a scum gets lynched early on, then it might make sense to vote dakky out just in case, if nobody else stands out.

Oh and by my count dakky still has the most votes against him at 3 followed by Tim and LSU who have 2 each.

[BuJaber]

Sorry both dakky and Tim have 3.

[strike wolf]

Actually Wing has a point. I've gotten in at least one argument in the past with IB about voting third party with him (The last time we argued over it, IB was mafia and the third party in question turned out to be an SK. IB wanted to lynch the third party without much question). I will have to look back through to see games where a third party claimed early with IB playing as town and what the response from him was before I weigh in more. In general, LSU is a shitty lynch target. He's inactive yes but if you look he's not exactly keeping up with his own game that he's modding right now so that absence appears due to legitimate lack of time and therefore has little likelihood of having to do anything with alignment. Frankly the LSU case as a whole at the very least stinks of just laziness and possibly willfully ignoring facts regarding his absence and I wouldn't be at all surprised to find a couple of mafia nibbling at this case.

Dakky's claim. The timing seems about him though it rubs me the wrong way a bit as does the nonchalant attitude towards winning. Overall, I am tempted to leave it be for now.

Hotshot seemed to get active under pressure pretty quickly. Not enough to condemn even on day 1 but worth noting.

top three in order I would be comfortable lynching as of now:

1. Tim-Reasons mostly stated. Hyper defensive over a vote against him that was dropped. Attempting to point out own town tells. At one point he even seemed to suggest he would stop getting riled up about his case and then wrote two follow up posts that mostly talked more about it. He seems to be in his own head about accusations coming his way.

2. IB-For above reasons.

3. Whatsausage-I find him a better inactive target than LSU who I think has a good chance of coming back to the game. He also is somewhat likely to be a legitimate case but he has been around online at least a couple times though not posting on the forum as of yet since his first post.

[Iron Butterfly]

As I said, we will see. If we get two scum lynched in two days, I'll probably switch to scum. If 4 townies are killed in 2 days (and 2 nights), I'll probably switch to town, especially if there was a good/fun role which got killed. The problem is I don't know what abilities roles have, as there is probably no "Town Cop" but instead he could be named "Town Dice Thrower", so choosing the abilities may be interesting. If a townie is close to a lynch, I suggest a full claim so when I hammer, I know what I will get if I choose that player.

Are you saying that you don't want to go with a winning team? Why?

This is a game, remember? I'll probably want to make it more interesting than pure winning.

He asked why you werent considering joining his team.... Basically he asked if he should nightkill you tonight and you said yes...

unvote HS

Interesting claim by Dakky. I can see how it could be a double edged sword but honestly seems to help Town more, at least in the early game. Survivor types have always worried me as they will in the end do what helps them to win, which is why more often I go for the lynch.

Dakky is different. He is a good insurance card for Town. I would however get nervous if he has not switched by mid game. the only scenario I can see him joining mafia is if it is a tight game where mafia needs to be lynched.

As far as Tim is concerned. My first inclination was to think he was Town. In fact he was my first Town read. He made several reads and was openly scum hunting. His posting frequency and length of posts do not suggest mafia to me. Now is that highlighted portion by Strike something that suggests that Tim is trying to hard? Maybe but with everything combined I am not buying it.

Vote LSU

Glad to see HS here.

No one attempts to remove momentum that easily. Tim is a legitimate lynch target, and you will not distract us by voting a easy absent player. IB, you always try to lynch 3rd party players early because of the threat they pose, and you rarely advocate pushing inactives.

Unvote Vote Tim.

Slash, we really need a votecount here.

This is where you confuse me. You agreed about HS. LSU is no different. As a matter principle it would be hypocritical of me not to vote LSU for the same exact circumstance. As far as third party players more often then not I will vote ESPECIALLY survivors, whose loyalty is to no one regardless of what they say. I will now say his last comment about helping whomever is losing makes me reconsider completely.

Given a choice between Dakky and Tim I would certainly choose Dakky for a lynch. I also want LSU to get his ass in here. I explained my view on in actives. I am sick of games being ruined by them.

I have followed you on many cases you have made that sound like strong logical cases only to find you to be completely wrong. Day one cases tend to be crap and this one on Tim is no exception.

[BuJaber]

As far as third party players more often then not I will vote ESPECIALLY survivors, whose loyalty is to no one regardless of what they say. I will now say his last comment about helping whomever is losing makes me reconsider completely.

Given a choice between Dakky and Tim I would certainly choose Dakky for a lynch.

I have followed you on many cases you have made that sound like strong logical cases only to find you to be completely wrong. Day one cases tend to be crap and this one on Tim is no exception.

Seems like there's history that's influencing some of the attacks here. I don't agree with Wing that what you're doing is wrong concerning the less active players (After all, it's still early, and either of you could be right). I mean both of you raise good points but still seem a little hostile.. I feel like if you were both on the same team your discussions would involve less finger pointing.

I'm a little concerned about how comfortable you are with Tim's posts. He's been on almost everyone's radar. Maybe you see something none of us see. I understand the instinct to pick dakky because you don't trust him, but picking him over Tim at this early stage seems excessive. The probability of him being scum is higher than dakky. If he is scum he's a definite threat, compared to dakky who may or may not be a threat (to both teams, which means even scum can't trust him).

I will say this though, dakky's boredom or whatever his motivation is, is making it harder to focus on the other players, because most of us are ending up discussing his role and if he's a threat or not .

I guess in conclusion, I'm still very confused when it comes to dakky.. I want to hear more from those who haven't posted in a while; their perspective is likely to be more insightful. However I'm beginning to see why the others are voting for Tim, and so I need to think things over. UNVOTE

[Army of GOD]

LSU is smarter than to scumarine. Voting him to try to prod him is OK but I highly doubt his not posting is a scum tell at all


IB's post in reference to dakky throws off some read flags. Seems overly townie tryhard

[rizky_biznezz]

Dakky could have been really helpful to town if he hadn't claimed so early now I think he is prob dead either way so not worth lynching day 1.. definitely one to watch but I agree it shouldn't take over today

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Vote count

rizky_biznezz: (1 vote) strike wolf

madmitch: (1 vote) dakky21

the white rose: (1 vote) TimWoodbury

dakky21: (3 votes) Army of GOD, Metsfanmax, the white rose

strike wolf: (1 vote) Whatsausage

mandalorian2298: (1 vote) LSU Tiger Josh

TimWoodbury: (3 vote) HotShot53, mandalorian2298, WingCmdr Ginkapo

LSU Tiger Josh: (1 vote) Iron Butterfly

With 16 alive it take 9 to lynch, deadline is extended to April 7th do to an active day one and a lack of timely vote counts on my part! ^^;

[madmitch]

I don't understand the votes against Dakky, he said he could be useful to town ,we should wait and see who gets hanged first, if a bunch of mafia die right of Dakky said he would for the sake and fun of the game probably become mafia if so then we could get rid of him at that time, Why I.B. would take sides with Tim over Dakky is beyond me unless he is Tims scum buddy, also I would put Sausage on the scum list for not posting unless he has a good reason like post restrictions or something else. But for now I think because of Tims rants and posts have me wanting to hang him. so VOTE TIM

[Ragian]

As I said, we will see. If we get two scum lynched in two days, I'll probably switch to scum. If 4 townies are killed in 2 days (and 2 nights), I'll probably switch to town, especially if there was a good/fun role which got killed. The problem is I don't know what abilities roles have, as there is probably no "Town Cop" but instead he could be named "Town Dice Thrower", so choosing the abilities may be interesting. If a townie is close to a lynch, I suggest a full claim so when I hammer, I know what I will get if I choose that player.

Are you saying that you don't want to go with a winning team? Why?

This is a game, remember? I'll probably want to make it more interesting than pure winning.

You don't want to win games? Good you're not town, then. I want to win.

@Wing, you're saying that I'm scum and that IB is scummy. Why do you vote for Tim, then?

I don't think Tim is much different in this game than he has been in others. But this thought mainly stems from the fact that I haven't been able to read Tim. If it came down to him vs. Dakky, though, I'd vote Tim. I have faith in Dakky so far despite his lack of patience.

I don't think voting either LSU or Sausage does us any good. Being clanmate with LSU, I can say that he has had internet issues due to flooding. I sat for him a lot. Or was supposed to. He was gone a lot anyway.

This brings me to BuJaber. He rubs me the wrong way. He "missed" my innocent town/scum quesstion, which is what it is, but the way he voted LSU and then unvoted after it was pointed out that it is not good for town has my scumdar beeping. Any takers?

Unvote vote BuJaber

I also have my eye on AoG. I forget why right now, though...

[BuJaber]

Have you decided on my question?

Town or scum? kinda depends.. I think generally when I'm playing with people I know, I prefer scum.
Normally, I would say town is better.

Of course nobody likes getting the same role too many times in a row.

This brings me to BuJaber. He rubs me the wrong way. He "missed" my innocent town/scum quesstion, which is what it is, but the way he voted LSU and then unvoted after it was pointed out that it is not good for town has my scumdar beeping. Any takers?

I don't have a good defense for not answering you right away, I wanted to combine it with another post and then just forgot. I answered it later. *shrug*

My LSU vote/unvote would have raised my suspicions as well; so I get it. But like I told Wing, I didn't have a strong reason to vote for him in the first place and it was the vote that was done hastily. The unvote was an attempt at correcting the original mistake.

[Army of GOD]

I also have my eye on AoG. I forget why right now, though...

You didn't like my vote on dakky when I voted him because he voted Tim because Tim voted a nonplayer. I'm not really sure why you thought my play was suspicious

[strike wolf]

I have no strong feelings regarding Bujaber right now though if I was pressed I would have to say I am leaning slightly town. He has been actively talking and most of the things that could be scum y (fence sitting, indecisive etc) could also be explained by him being new to the forum.

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

@Wing, you're saying that I'm scum and that IB is scummy. Why do you vote for Tim, then?

Because scum is Tim, IB, Ragian and Mandy.

Tim is the easiest to prove at this point, hence the vote.

[Ragian]

[strike wolf]

I'm not sure what to think any more about Wing. I honestly had thought he was under a pr to call Rage scum before now (or something to the effect) and had mostly ignored it. I really doubt the mod would give him a role where he knows everyone who is mafia (and be able to openly say it and I would be very reluctant to believe information based on a dream he had.

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

I'm not sure what to think any more about Wing. I honestly had thought he was under a pr to call Rage scum before now (or something to the effect) and had mostly ignored it. I really doubt the mod would give him a role where he knows everyone who is mafia (and be able to openly say it and I would be very reluctant to believe information based on a dream he had.

The dream bit was a lie to show how pointless Tims defence was.

The rest is me being my usual self and picking up reads very fast. Mandy is the one I am least confident in. If it was Aage, making the same plays as Mandy has, he would be 100% scum, however this is Mandy and I have no source data.

Are you telling me that you need more that 8 pages to determine scum? Its just going to get more confusing as they twist everything.

[Ragian]

I don't know if this is your usual self. Not that I have played too many games with you, but I don't recall you that confident or whatever this is in Surprise Mafia or ... that other where you went for streaker. (And for the life of me I can't remember HP mafia, but I was scum in that game. I believe you made a big stink about how you knew that...)

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

Do not discuss an ongoing game here.

In HP mafia I was pretty much dead on with my reads the moment I was subbed in. Thats why YOU killed me immediately with your factional kill. I found it amusing reading your mafia chat after the game as I was a lowly third party survivor in reality.

[rizky_biznezz]

Its gonna take me more than 8 pages sorry wing...

I have a hard time reading Tim I always find him suspicious even when he has been town so I could probably get on board that vote.. Will see what he has to say then decide... But I haven't seen anything to convince me on anyone just yet