Matrix6 Mafia Game [Game Over - TOWN Wins!]

[Streaker]

Role does not prove alignment in a closed game

Role proves alignment in an open game.

This is an open game.

I feel like this is aimed at me.
Did I say that it proves alignment? He wanted to know what claiming means. Usually you claim role and allignment... That's all.

Thoughs on my last remarkt to storr? It doesn't get your bells ringing?

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

That was backup to your last remark to Storr.

There has been ongoing commentaries in games recently about why Town would want to know role information as it just gives mafia more information about who to target. That is possibly true for closed games.

In open games a powerrole claim can be counterclaimed and narrow the search for mafia down to two people very quickly, and thus it is very important to have Blackmetals claim. Storr should want his claim.

The other point that is interesting in Storr's is that when Black was at L-1 only End, Mtam or myself could hammer. If any of us did prior to a claim we would be lynched D2 without much defence as there is no need to do so. Why take away the opportunity? Town dying is not something to hide away from, town dying without providing information is. A quick hammer lynch on a town is not a wasted death. Or Black is scum and then it really doesnt matter whether he is quickhammered or not.

Anyway, claim Blackmetal.

[HotShot53]

unvote
Generally people want a claim when at L-2

I see no reason for an early hammer I still suspect you black. I'm not wanting your claim either, so this is the point of the game where you try to convince us you are town

Early hammer would be hilarious. It either proves him scum, or he flips town and we have a noob mafia like the other game. It's not like there is a secret vote in here somewhere. Just explaining the reason why I didn't bother unvoting.

Storr, why would you not want a claim? Either you want to lynch him (in which case you should not unvote), or you want information (which you clearly don't). That only leaves that you don't think he is scum, so why vote in the first place? Protecting scum buddy here?

This is a very good point... if you don't want him to be lynched or claim, what exactly did you hope to accomplish by voting him in the first place?

Re-reading storr's posts, I'm not getting my normal towny vibe from him... he tried to link black to a few other people also, maybe setting it up in case black is lynched and flips scum? I will FOS black and storr, will wait for black's claim and defense before making it a vote or not.

[StorrZerg]

Role does not prove alignment in a closed game

Role proves alignment in an open game.

This is an open game.

Semi open. Doesn't prove it as well considering there is some counter play avaliable.

[StorrZerg]

unvote
Generally people want a claim when at L-2

I see no reason for an early hammer I still suspect you black. I'm not wanting your claim either, so this is the point of the game where you try to convince us you are town

Early hammer would be hilarious. It either proves him scum, or he flips town and we have a noob mafia like the other game. It's not like there is a secret vote in here somewhere. Just explaining the reason why I didn't bother unvoting.

Storr, why would you not want a claim? Either you want to lynch him (in which case you should not unvote), or you want information (which you clearly don't). That only leaves that you don't think he is scum, so why vote in the first place? Protecting scum buddy here?

Because I'm not ready for the day to end. Because I want more discussion. I want to allow black the opportunity to defend himself before I make a more serious demand for his role.

Thinking I don't want information, what brings you to that conclusion? Because I place less value on a claim than you?

[StorrZerg]

unvote
Generally people want a claim when at L-2

I see no reason for an early hammer I still suspect you black. I'm not wanting your claim either, so this is the point of the game where you try to convince us you are town

Early hammer would be hilarious. It either proves him scum, or he flips town and we have a noob mafia like the other game. It's not like there is a secret vote in here somewhere. Just explaining the reason why I didn't bother unvoting.

Storr, why would you not want a claim? Either you want to lynch him (in which case you should not unvote), or you want information (which you clearly don't). That only leaves that you don't think he is scum, so why vote in the first place? Protecting scum buddy here?

This is a very good point... if you don't want him to be lynched or claim, what exactly did you hope to accomplish by voting him in the first place?

Re-reading storr's posts, I'm not getting my normal towny vibe from him... he tried to link black to a few other people also, maybe setting it up in case black is lynched and flips scum? I will FOS black and storr, will wait for black's claim and defense before making it a vote or not.

I'm sorry, I didn't know voting was only used to get people to claim, or kill them.

I guess how I play the game has been wrong all along

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

Role does not prove alignment in a closed game

Role proves alignment in an open game.

This is an open game.

Semi open. Doesn't prove it as well considering there is some counter play avaliable.

It appears in both mafia nets open and semi-open categories. I dont see the counter plays you speak of, can you explain that comment after the game has finished please? Not yet as its of no benefit to town to have these written for mafia to see.

[mtamburini]

Explain any of your town reads especially streaker

Its D1, its basically gut feeling, as I said there is very little to go on at the moment from Streaker. He does need to set out his own reads to give us something more to interpret.

Do you have reads that you are willing to share?

So you literally flipped a coin for that read, thanks for being useful

And can you identify a single useful thing you have done in this game? You zoned in on me ever since I suggested that you had a low win percentage with town and havent let go yet. You put up silly arguments against me because of my use of the number 7 instead of 6. You refuse to have a conversation about anything.

None of this makes you scum. It makes you an outright pain to play with, and that is lynchable.

My strongest read is a scum pairing of End and Yourself. This is because End asked for pressure to be added to one of Storr/Wing/Black because they were at 2 votes apiece. He then goes on to highlight me as the sole party to blame for my arguments with Mtam as if nothing Mtam has done is in the slightest bit needlessly disruptive. Then he goes on to suggest that he would be happy to lynch Madmitch, and that possibly Streaker is scummy too.

There are only two players not in his suspicion, Hotshot and Mtam. However, he defends Mtam twice. This is in the same post where he clarifies that there are seven town players. So its very odd to then accuse six players of being scum.

VOTE WING
His whole 7 town thing and explanation about not being willing to count mtam sounded pretty bunk to me.
That puts wing/storr/blackmetal @ L-3
We ought to pressure one of these 3 to claim.
My vote is wing but ill discuss the folks with votes here.
Wing saying he wont discuss with mtam is either scummy and scared of the pressure or just being fearful town.
Storr is playing less aggressive than im used to which is enough for me to wonder D1.
Blackmetal is in the same catergory as mitch for me. Both of their posts dont really say anything that leads anywhere,not giving much for reads, just sorta rambling on about random shit and not really understanding the setup.Either I could go for either BM/MM as a backup lynch just because im unsure about both and not getting much from them.
Streaker has just been throwing out little tidbits. Ill wait and see if his upcoming post translates to much for me.
Leaning town on mtam just cuz hes asking lots of questions,feels like hes at leadt trying to get a grip here.

So there you have it Mtam, I am being useful, but I suspect you didnt want that really. The scum partnership is Mtam and End. Vote Mtam

Blackmetal is not a worthy vote in my view as I cant see who his partner would be. In this game, losing your partner on the first day would be disastrous, and yet no one has bothered to defend him or even distract. This is why I waited 24 hours after the votes on Blackmetal appeared to see if anyone did before posting this.

fp'd by End - I'm not sure but I suspect it the highest number of votes is lynched otherwise there would be no need to vote no lynch.

Stopped reading after I read the 2 bolded parts LOL this is too easy

[mtamburini]

Wing, only 2 people voted him. You can chin in as well about how bad his post is, but until 3 or more people are vocal against him I wouldn't expect much.

also mafia might have a very good clue if cop or watcher are in the game. If they think not bussing is fine.

Personally I wouldn't defend a scum mate with 2 votes. I'd call the case reasonable, and provoke my scum mate to talking and push someone else. Hell even vote him, then defend him later with the logic, no one defending him, he probably not scum.

I'd rather focus today on actions that can be deemed scummy and finding a good lead than figuring out the pair With 0 information on a connection.

Storr is town

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

So you did read this bit then:

Can you identify a single useful thing you have done in this game?

[mtamburini]

So you did read this bit then:

Can you identify a single useful thing you have done in this game?

Catch you contradicting yourself within 1 sentence of posting another one.

Brownie points for me.

[StorrZerg]

Can agree with tamb, lynching someone because they are "annoying, a pain to play with" are not real reasons to lynch someone because it's not alignment indicative

[StorrZerg]

Black, really need to hear from you soon

[mtamburini]

Can agree with tamb, lynching someone because they are "annoying, a pain to play with" are not real reasons to lynch someone because it's not alignment indicative

He made it allignment indicative

[NoSurvivors]

You guys confuse the hell out of me (wing/mtamb/storr) lol

I feel like hotshot and streaker make a good point. Storr, you shouldn't vote someone you don't want lynched.

Another interesting point is that blackmetal hasn't said anything even though he's been to L-1 and back can't think of a fake claim?

I don't know if it's noobie or if it's noobie scum. Either he's just new and doesn't have the time to check often enough (noobie) or he can't think of a claim because his role says mafia (noobie scum). I don't know what to go with but I think storr made a slip there. Between the tamb and wing bickering I don't know what to think. I like a blackmetal lynch as it will be indicative IMO of storr's alignment.

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

Curious - So I state that you being annoying is not a reason to vote for you. I then lay out my case as to why Mtam and End are the mafia pair, and vote on this basis. Now I could vote for either Mtam or End on the basis of my case, and yes I have chosen Mtam over End, because if my case is wrong I would much rather play out the rest of the game with End than Mtam.

Now this is not the first time you have tried to catch me using incorrect grammar as a scum case. It wasnt true the first time, and was not this time.

Even if we assume that I am scum, (An assumption you seem convinced of, but isnt true) there is still a second mafia to find, and you have yet to give any indication that you even care who the second person would be.

@NoS - there is a potential that Storr underhandedly suggested to his partner to avoid claiming.

[mtamburini]

You guys confuse the hell out of me (wing/mtamb/storr) lol

I feel like hotshot and streaker make a good point. Storr, you shouldn't vote someone you don't want lynched.

Another interesting point is that blackmetal hasn't said anything even though he's been to L-1 and back can't think of a fake claim?

I don't know if it's noobie or if it's noobie scum. Either he's just new and doesn't have the time to check often enough (noobie) or he can't think of a claim because his role says mafia (noobie scum). I don't know what to go with but I think storr made a slip there. Between the tamb and wing bickering I don't know what to think. I like a blackmetal lynch as it will be indicative IMO of storr's alignment.

I am having a hard time believing that even you believe what you just wrote.

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

@ End - Is it beneficial to town for me to continue to converse with Mtam?

[Endgame422]

I think so.
No matter what each of your alignments are the more you talk the more info town has.
I know you think hes a dick or whatever but you probably should drop the whole cold shoulder bit. I think its scummy(hence your @L-2) and if not a scum tactic your just being less then helpful to town.
Question for you wing
If your convinced black is innocent and mtam and I are the scum team,why ask me about mtam?
Why not someone you know is town?
And black needs to post something today or we lynch him just for laying super low at L-2 anyways.

[StorrZerg]

You guys confuse the hell out of me (wing/mtamb/storr) lol

I feel like hotshot and streaker make a good point. Storr, you shouldn't vote someone you don't want lynched.

Another interesting point is that blackmetal hasn't said anything even though he's been to L-1 and back can't think of a fake claim?

I don't know if it's noobie or if it's noobie scum. Either he's just new and doesn't have the time to check often enough (noobie) or he can't think of a claim because his role says mafia (noobie scum). I don't know what to go with but I think storr made a slip there. Between the tamb and wing bickering I don't know what to think. I like a blackmetal lynch as it will be indicative IMO of storr's alignment.

Do you Think there is no other reason to vote someone other than to lynch or force a claim?

[HotShot53]

You guys confuse the hell out of me (wing/mtamb/storr) lol

I feel like hotshot and streaker make a good point. Storr, you shouldn't vote someone you don't want lynched.

Another interesting point is that blackmetal hasn't said anything even though he's been to L-1 and back can't think of a fake claim?

I don't know if it's noobie or if it's noobie scum. Either he's just new and doesn't have the time to check often enough (noobie) or he can't think of a claim because his role says mafia (noobie scum). I don't know what to go with but I think storr made a slip there. Between the tamb and wing bickering I don't know what to think. I like a blackmetal lynch as it will be indicative IMO of storr's alignment.

Do you Think there is no other reason to vote someone other than to lynch or force a claim?

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Yeah, there are other reasons, like being on your scum buddy's bandwagon to get town points but not actually wanting to lynch him. The point is, is there another town reason for it? Which is what we asked you...

[StorrZerg]

Or to pressure
force reactions

I don't generally push someone with a vote for their claim. Or lynch. I push for information, I push for discussion.

Because I try to figure out someone's alignment before the claim. I don't like to relying on claim for the be all end all reason for a lynch. Specially in this kind of game, we will have lots of vt claims.

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

I think so.
No matter what each of your alignments are the more you talk the more info town has.
I know you think hes a dick or whatever but you probably should drop the whole cold shoulder bit. I think its scummy(hence your @L-2) and if not a scum tactic your just being less then helpful to town.
Question for you wing
If your convinced black is innocent and mtam and I are the scum team,why ask me about mtam?
Why not someone you know is town?
And black needs to post something today or we lynch him just for laying super low at L-2 anyways.

Your argument for me being scum was on the basis of me saying that I did not think it was helpful to continue discussion with Mtam, so I wanted your opinion now that it has continued and still gone nowhere.

I never said that I thought Black was innocent, I said that I cant work out who his scum partner is.

[NoSurvivors]

Or to pressure
force reactions

I don't generally push someone with a vote for their claim. Or lynch. I push for information, I push for discussion.

Because I try to figure out someone's alignment before the claim. I don't like to relying on claim for the be all end all reason for a lynch. Specially in this kind of game, we will have lots of vt claims.

This is true. I have used my vote to try to get reactions out of people before (in a c-9 I was in). I hadn't thought of it that way. However I do think your unvote is perculiar. You think black is town, then? Doesn't matter right now id just like to know.

Mtamb I did believe what I wrote, but I didn't think of pressure/getting reactions. However the lack of a response from black would indicate one of the two options I stated in my post, wouldn't it?

[Endgame422]

What you said was mtam and I are the scum team.
Pretty definetively.
Now your saying black/??? are the scum team.
Total 180 there.