Game of Thrones Night 3: The King's Hand, Justice and Guard

[strike wolf]

Yeah sorry I was referencing /'s case. Bad habit I have of not directly displaying the case.

And yes it had to do with that comment about bleed but as I said I'm willing to let that go as being a newbie comment.

[Bleed_Green]

Sorry I was away this weekend for a bachelor party so was pretty tied up.

I do not like the Saf claim one bit. I think if we potentially lose 1 or 2 power roles we have to eliminate Saf immediately just on the basis it could be his information that has caused the kills.

Could also start pressuring Lalaland. They participated in the Joke stage but has not spoken a word since Saf. claim. or have them prod.

[nagerous]

Sorry I was away this weekend for a bachelor party so was pretty tied up.

I do not like the Saf claim one bit. I think if we potentially lose 1 or 2 power roles we have to eliminate Saf immediately just on the basis it could be his information that has caused the kills.

Could also start pressuring Lalaland. They participated in the Joke stage but has not spoken a word since Saf. claim. or have them prod.

Personally, I'd like to pressure bleed_green.

I think we should know a little more about what happened with this tying up

[safariguy5]

Sorry I was away this weekend for a bachelor party so was pretty tied up.

I do not like the Saf claim one bit. I think if we potentially lose 1 or 2 power roles we have to eliminate Saf immediately just on the basis it could be his information that has caused the kills.

Could also start pressuring Lalaland. They participated in the Joke stage but has not spoken a word since Saf. claim. or have them prod.

This is exactly what I'm afraid of. Let's say you do lose one or two power roles, maybe even the HoTK. So now as town, you're behind in the game. Do you wanna waste a lynch on me and give mafia an extra NK to possibly kill another town PR? Or do you want to use the lynch on someone else and maybe get mafia and even up the game a bit. Remember, I don't have to send all the information I get, I can hold 1 piece of information every night. So if I do get threatened later on, I can still release information that may hurt the losing side even more before I get killed. So I don't see how it would make sense to kill me when your side is already losing.

[Iliad]

ShieldGenerator7 has replaced lalaland, who requested it.

[nagerous]

Way too many people scumarining here.

[safariguy5]

Way too many people scumarining here.

I thought something like this was going to happen, and I had hoped by initiating a serious discussion, we'd have everyone's input. Apparently that hasn't happened.

[strike wolf]

There are plenty of inactives in this game. Unfortunately the only legitimate case I see right now is the one on edoc and my problem with following that one further than I already have is that if the reason he has given is the truth than I don't see him being able to argue the issue much better than he already has and that could lead to unfairly lynching him.

[pancakemix]

Way too many people scumarining here.

I thought something like this was going to happen, and I had hoped by initiating a serious discussion, we'd have everyone's input. Apparently that hasn't happened.

Well, that was something good to know, but it wasn't a lead and there's nothing you can really build from it.

[strike wolf]

It is true that it is not a lead but it did generate discussion which can be used to find odd opinions and such on the matter.

[safariguy5]

Way too many people scumarining here.

I thought something like this was going to happen, and I had hoped by initiating a serious discussion, we'd have everyone's input. Apparently that hasn't happened.

Well, that was something good to know, but it wasn't a lead and there's nothing you can really build from it.

Yes, but you can try to gauge people's reaction, and it definitely removes the "I'm just reading along, nothing to say line". So anyone who uses that excuse is definitely scummy in my book.

[edocsil]

Way too many people scumarining here.

I thought something like this was going to happen, and I had hoped by initiating a serious discussion, we'd have everyone's input. Apparently that hasn't happened.

Well, that was something good to know, but it wasn't a lead and there's nothing you can really build from it.

Yeah well, sorry. I can't do much about that. I am reading everything on HBO right now, but I am having a hard time getting all the characters sorted out without seeing the show. I cant believe it cannot be streamed from anywhere.

[chapcrap]

Like edoc, I'm still reading and watching and researching the show more. I've been reading what people have said, but there is no reason for me to post when I don't have anything good to add. There are quite a few inactives though. But on day one, you can't expect much activity can you? I mean everyone knows we're probably gonna have a lynch for no reason or a no lynch.

I'd be happy to put some pressure on someone, but who should we pick?

[naxus]

Like edoc, I'm still reading and watching and researching the show more. I've been reading what people have said, but there is no reason for me to post when I don't have anything good to add. There are quite a few inactives though. But on day one, you can't expect much activity can you? I mean everyone knows we're probably gonna have a lynch for no reason or a no lynch.

I'd be happy to put some pressure on someone, but who should we pick?

On what Chapcrap said, D1 kinda stalls but especially in a flavor heavy game like this. I'd only ever read a little bit of the first book and have scrambled to even stay in the loop so far.

[strike wolf]

Like edoc, I'm still reading and watching and researching the show more. I've been reading what people have said, but there is no reason for me to post when I don't have anything good to add. There are quite a few inactives though. But on day one, you can't expect much activity can you? I mean everyone knows we're probably gonna have a lynch for no reason or a no lynch.

I'd be happy to put some pressure on someone, but who should we pick?

On what Chapcrap said, D1 kinda stalls but especially in a flavor heavy game like this. I'd only ever read a little bit of the first book and have scrambled to even stay in the loop so far.

In any game that has flavor there is the problem of flavor however most innate scum tells are still there and flavor mostly comes in or at least should only factor into claims.

[naxus]

I read back through from where Safari claimed and I have to agree that edocsil and bleed right now are the best targets. Edocsil for comments so shallow you couldn't drown an ant in it and bleed for slightly deeper but still shallow comments regarding safari. I'm willing to chalk down bleed's comments to still being new so I have to agree with the pressure against edoc and will wait for his response before I decide to vote or not.

Care to build this up a bit more?

the case on edoc I posted on p9

Awesome, so let's get scum hunting.

I'm going to vote Edoc, his last two posts seem a bit phoned in.

Under no circumstances will we hang you today. To valuable.

No comment on plausibility, planning, thoughts, points, or anything, just "You seem important, let me point this out to look like I'm town's buddy." Also the wrong "To".
And his latest post is mostly meta-speculation worry. "Oh no, if there are a lot of scum, then I am worried there are a lot of scum."

Sorry, not trying to sound like a picky jerk, but it is day one.

I don't know about the bleed case, I assume it has something to do with this post (since it's the only one related to the game without being a joke)

Saf, I think everyone can see how beneficial you possibly could be to the town however there is a lot that can happen that you could be the main cause for the town demise, with the ability to pick and choose who gets what information. Do you also have the ability to be recruited?

Not trying to defend edoc here but its a valid statement. He won't be lynched today because of the consequences. Free mafia NK which this early could have lasting effects. That and If we get a scum lynch then tommorow Saf is more inclined to help Us townies than mafia.

@strike It does seem to factor here but leads on D1 are slim at the best of times

[dazerazer]

Im just trying to understand it all. These complex games are over my head a bit.

[nagerous]

Im just trying to understand it all. These complex games are over my head a bit.

What parts are you struggling with? If you have questions you should ask them. I think it is very easy to play dumb and thus use it as an excuse for inactivity.

I cant believe it cannot be streamed from anywhere.

I posted links for where it can be streamed in the sign ups! There are plenty of places.

[Rodion]

Sorry I was away this weekend for a bachelor party so was pretty tied up.

I do not like the Saf claim one bit. I think if we potentially lose 1 or 2 power roles we have to eliminate Saf immediately just on the basis it could be his information that has caused the kills.

Could also start pressuring Lalaland. They participated in the Joke stage but has not spoken a word since Saf. claim. or have them prod.

This is exactly what I'm afraid of. Let's say you do lose one or two power roles, maybe even the HoTK. So now as town, you're behind in the game. Do you wanna waste a lynch on me and give mafia an extra NK to possibly kill another town PR? Or do you want to use the lynch on someone else and maybe get mafia and even up the game a bit.

I can't speak for the others, but if your existence in a town-losing scenario means you will sell our PRs to the mafia, I'll advocate that you are lynched. "Wasting" a lynch on a survivor is sound strategy if that survivor has the kind of power that you do and decides to use it in mafia's favour. An exception to what I just said is perhaps a townie (probably a cop or a watcher) declaring a guilty report on D2. I'd then think we could lynch that person, tip the balance in town's favour and get you to cooperate with us. I'd only postpone your lynch if we got a surefire D2 target, which probably means a cop/watcher needs to come up with a smoking gun of sorts.

Earlier today I've suggested a protocol that would keep you under town's leash, but being a survivor you'd probably have to hope that the possibility of a doctor/watcher targeting you will keep you alive. You said you couldn't do it and I understood where you came from, but you also have to understand that getting you lynched if town starts to fall behind is something that I will consider a priority, no hard feelings.

[Bleed_Green]

Im just trying to understand it all. These complex games are over my head a bit.

What parts are you struggling with? If you have questions you should ask them. I think it is very easy to play dumb and thus use it as an excuse for inactivity.

I cant believe it cannot be streamed from anywhere.

I posted links for where it can be streamed in the sign ups! There are plenty of places.

I also posted a link were you can download.. each episode is only 550 mb and there is 10

[chapcrap]

Sorry I was away this weekend for a bachelor party so was pretty tied up.

I do not like the Saf claim one bit. I think if we potentially lose 1 or 2 power roles we have to eliminate Saf immediately just on the basis it could be his information that has caused the kills.

Could also start pressuring Lalaland. They participated in the Joke stage but has not spoken a word since Saf. claim. or have them prod.

This is exactly what I'm afraid of. Let's say you do lose one or two power roles, maybe even the HoTK. So now as town, you're behind in the game. Do you wanna waste a lynch on me and give mafia an extra NK to possibly kill another town PR? Or do you want to use the lynch on someone else and maybe get mafia and even up the game a bit.

I can't speak for the others, but if your existence in a town-losing scenario means you will sell our PRs to the mafia, I'll advocate that you are lynched. "Wasting" a lynch on a survivor is sound strategy if that survivor has the kind of power that you do and decides to use it in mafia's favour. An exception to what I just said is perhaps a townie (probably a cop or a watcher) declaring a guilty report on D2. I'd then think we could lynch that person, tip the balance in town's favour and get you to cooperate with us. I'd only postpone your lynch if we got a surefire D2 target, which probably means a cop/watcher needs to come up with a smoking gun of sorts.

Earlier today I've suggested a protocol that would keep you under town's leash, but being a survivor you'd probably have to hope that the possibility of a doctor/watcher targeting you will keep you alive. You said you couldn't do it and I understood where you came from, but you also have to understand that getting you lynched if town starts to fall behind is something that I will consider a priority, no hard feelings.

I have to agree with Rodion. Why let saf even get the opportunity to tell scum our power roles? I feel like the threat is much larger than the upside that he might provide. He should have a very short leash, IMO.

[safariguy5]

Sorry I was away this weekend for a bachelor party so was pretty tied up.

I do not like the Saf claim one bit. I think if we potentially lose 1 or 2 power roles we have to eliminate Saf immediately just on the basis it could be his information that has caused the kills.

Could also start pressuring Lalaland. They participated in the Joke stage but has not spoken a word since Saf. claim. or have them prod.

This is exactly what I'm afraid of. Let's say you do lose one or two power roles, maybe even the HoTK. So now as town, you're behind in the game. Do you wanna waste a lynch on me and give mafia an extra NK to possibly kill another town PR? Or do you want to use the lynch on someone else and maybe get mafia and even up the game a bit.

I can't speak for the others, but if your existence in a town-losing scenario means you will sell our PRs to the mafia, I'll advocate that you are lynched. "Wasting" a lynch on a survivor is sound strategy if that survivor has the kind of power that you do and decides to use it in mafia's favour. An exception to what I just said is perhaps a townie (probably a cop or a watcher) declaring a guilty report on D2. I'd then think we could lynch that person, tip the balance in town's favour and get you to cooperate with us. I'd only postpone your lynch if we got a surefire D2 target, which probably means a cop/watcher needs to come up with a smoking gun of sorts.

Earlier today I've suggested a protocol that would keep you under town's leash, but being a survivor you'd probably have to hope that the possibility of a doctor/watcher targeting you will keep you alive. You said you couldn't do it and I understood where you came from, but you also have to understand that getting you lynched if town starts to fall behind is something that I will consider a priority, no hard feelings.

I have to agree with Rodion. Why let saf even get the opportunity to tell scum our power roles? I feel like the threat is much larger than the upside that he might provide. He should have a very short leash, IMO.

Well, this is really on town if they end up falling behind. Remenber, I have no stake in steering a town victory. I will say that if town is falling behind, then I will consider not revealing power roles to mafia, as they're probably not real concerned with which townie they kill as long as townies are dying. But like I said, if town does decide to try and lynch me later on, I will still have information I've stockpiled to release and potentially hurt town even more. Is it blackmail? Probably. But as Rodion so eloquently put it in Clue...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMk5sMHj58I

[Mr. Squirrel]

Sorry I was away this weekend for a bachelor party so was pretty tied up.

I do not like the Saf claim one bit. I think if we potentially lose 1 or 2 power roles we have to eliminate Saf immediately just on the basis it could be his information that has caused the kills.

Could also start pressuring Lalaland. They participated in the Joke stage but has not spoken a word since Saf. claim. or have them prod.

This is exactly what I'm afraid of. Let's say you do lose one or two power roles, maybe even the HoTK. So now as town, you're behind in the game. Do you wanna waste a lynch on me and give mafia an extra NK to possibly kill another town PR? Or do you want to use the lynch on someone else and maybe get mafia and even up the game a bit.

I can't speak for the others, but if your existence in a town-losing scenario means you will sell our PRs to the mafia, I'll advocate that you are lynched. "Wasting" a lynch on a survivor is sound strategy if that survivor has the kind of power that you do and decides to use it in mafia's favour. An exception to what I just said is perhaps a townie (probably a cop or a watcher) declaring a guilty report on D2. I'd then think we could lynch that person, tip the balance in town's favour and get you to cooperate with us. I'd only postpone your lynch if we got a surefire D2 target, which probably means a cop/watcher needs to come up with a smoking gun of sorts.

Earlier today I've suggested a protocol that would keep you under town's leash, but being a survivor you'd probably have to hope that the possibility of a doctor/watcher targeting you will keep you alive. You said you couldn't do it and I understood where you came from, but you also have to understand that getting you lynched if town starts to fall behind is something that I will consider a priority, no hard feelings.

I have to agree with Rodion. Why let saf even get the opportunity to tell scum our power roles? I feel like the threat is much larger than the upside that he might provide. He should have a very short leash, IMO.

Well, this is really on town if they end up falling behind. Remenber, I have no stake in steering a town victory. I will say that if town is falling behind, then I will consider not revealing power roles to mafia, as they're probably not real concerned with which townie they kill as long as townies are dying. But like I said, if town does decide to try and lynch me later on, I will still have information I've stockpiled to release and potentially hurt town even more. Is it blackmail? Probably. But as Rodion so eloquently put it in Clue...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMk5sMHj58I

Well, by this logic, we should lynch you right now then and not worry about you backstabbing us later.

You can play to win, but the only way you are winning this game is if you play with town. From the sound of it, you aren't.

Also, wouldn't you reveal MORE power roles once town fall behind? If one team is closer to winning, then won't you try to help that team as much as possible so they can get the decisive win that you need for your win condition? You're try to console the town with words that you can't back up

[safariguy5]

This is exactly what I'm afraid of. Let's say you do lose one or two power roles, maybe even the HoTK. So now as town, you're behind in the game. Do you wanna waste a lynch on me and give mafia an extra NK to possibly kill another town PR? Or do you want to use the lynch on someone else and maybe get mafia and even up the game a bit.

I can't speak for the others, but if your existence in a town-losing scenario means you will sell our PRs to the mafia, I'll advocate that you are lynched. "Wasting" a lynch on a survivor is sound strategy if that survivor has the kind of power that you do and decides to use it in mafia's favour. An exception to what I just said is perhaps a townie (probably a cop or a watcher) declaring a guilty report on D2. I'd then think we could lynch that person, tip the balance in town's favour and get you to cooperate with us. I'd only postpone your lynch if we got a surefire D2 target, which probably means a cop/watcher needs to come up with a smoking gun of sorts.

Earlier today I've suggested a protocol that would keep you under town's leash, but being a survivor you'd probably have to hope that the possibility of a doctor/watcher targeting you will keep you alive. You said you couldn't do it and I understood where you came from, but you also have to understand that getting you lynched if town starts to fall behind is something that I will consider a priority, no hard feelings.

I have to agree with Rodion. Why let saf even get the opportunity to tell scum our power roles? I feel like the threat is much larger than the upside that he might provide. He should have a very short leash, IMO.

Well, this is really on town if they end up falling behind. Remenber, I have no stake in steering a town victory. I will say that if town is falling behind, then I will consider not revealing power roles to mafia, as they're probably not real concerned with which townie they kill as long as townies are dying. But like I said, if town does decide to try and lynch me later on, I will still have information I've stockpiled to release and potentially hurt town even more. Is it blackmail? Probably. But as Rodion so eloquently put it in Clue...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMk5sMHj58I

Well, by this logic, we should lynch you right now then and not worry about you backstabbing us later.

You can play to win, but the only way you are winning this game is if you play with town. From the sound of it, you aren't.

Also, wouldn't you reveal MORE power roles once town fall behind? If one team is closer to winning, then won't you try to help that team as much as possible so they can get the decisive win that you need for your win condition? You're try to console the town with words that you can't back up

Yeah I said that earlier. Either kill me now, or take the chance and hope town plays well. You're putting a certain amount of risk on the table, but that also means there's a fair amount of reward possible if town makes good lynches.

Here's my stance. I'm like a porcupine, leave me alone and we'll get along fine. Try to kill me and you'll end up with a face full of spikes. And I at least know that I will probably keep 1 piece of information to myself (probably the most useful piece each night) as leverage to keep town from trying to lynch me later if everything starts going south for them. Mafia probably won't NK me if they're losing because they have fewer numbers to start out with and giving town extra lynches probably isn't too good for them. So yeah, I think town has a greater chance of screwing me if they're losing, hence keeping some information for myself will hopefully guarantee my safety from any town lynches directed at me.

I never said I was cutting any deals or that you could trust me. Take it or leave it.

[Talapus]

Yeah I said that earlier. Either kill me now, or take the chance and hope town plays well. You're putting a certain amount of risk on the table, but that also means there's a fair amount of reward possible if town makes good lynches.

Here's my stance. I'm like a porcupine, leave me alone and we'll get along fine. Try to kill me and you'll end up with a face full of spikes. And I at least know that I will probably keep 1 piece of information to myself (probably the most useful piece each night) as leverage to keep town from trying to lynch me later if everything starts going south for them. Mafia probably won't NK me if they're losing because they have fewer numbers to start out with and giving town extra lynches probably isn't too good for them. So yeah, I think town has a greater chance of screwing me if they're losing, hence keeping some information for myself will hopefully guarantee my safety from any town lynches directed at me.

I never said I was cutting any deals or that you could trust me. Take it or leave it.

Oh, you sweet talker you . The more and more you say the less and less I like it. At first I thought it was a smart play on your part. Now more and more though I see it as a lose/lose for us. Unfortunately with a game this size odds are really good the most info you'll get tonight will be all about town players, so I reallly don't see this as a great idea anymore.And it is unfortumate becauseif we wait around two or three days to decide what way the wind is blowing in this game you will already have enough info to screw the rest of us. So, I have changed my mind on the matter enouh to swing a vote your way.

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Vote: Saf