Commander9 wrote:First of all... Fir's behaviour indicates a very likely jester... And lynching him won't help us. NK him and the problem is solved. FoS everyone on the Fir's BW.
It's one thing being aggressive, and a different one asking to NK someone without a claim for usual day 1 antics and attacking an entire joke wagon. That will obviously attract attention and perhaps Comm wants it.
Commander9 wrote:strike wolf wrote:That seems a bit quick to jump to that conclusion IMO. fircoal is a jokster and his wagon was pretty much a joke wagon especially his own votes and I don't see him being immediately lynched over that.
You should remember the naxus bandwagon very well from Firefly... Joke wagon can quickly turn into not-so joke wagon. He had quite a lot of votes on him already and I think it's time to stop such "jokes."
This, I didn't give too much attention the first read, but it's actually quite significant. Commander was clearly thinking about the precedent in Firefly, where naxus condemned a jokewagon. What happened there? Quickly pressure built on naxus, and this quote demonstrates that commander remembered that event and was quite likely trying to re-create it.
Commander9 wrote:After re-reading again, I may have FoS'd more than I wanted - for some reason I thought there were 6 votes, not 4. However, my FoS is still valid on Nag.
Here Commander isn't trying to hint that he's skimming, he's outright stating it.
Commander9 wrote:Not quite sure what you expect to hear from me. I have already said that it was an overreaction due to me miscalculating my votes - there's nothing more. I will also fully say that I do intend to claiming that I will not die from a lynch.
Took this for simple grammar mistake at first. However, in the light of Commander's attention seeking posts, this appears fairly different. Especially after this post
Commander9 wrote:*Sigh* I really hoped this could have been avoided... Okay, can I get a volunteer? (Don't ask why)
This shows to me a thought out and planned manoeuvrer.
Commander posts inflammatory posts that attracts town's attention. Having got some votes on him, Commander indignantly claims that he has nothing to apologise for and lets it slip out that he does not insist on being lynched and that he wouldn't be either. That obviously attracts questions about whether that was a claim of unlynchable and Commander, appearing reluctant as always , seems is trying to demonstrate his powers.
Fairly interesting, but why?
One reason is that Commander is simply a jester and is trying to help build a case against himself. Jesters haven't been placed in games for a while, not in serious ones, but it's kinda hard to metagame a Mod who's last game was quite a time ago.
Other reason is that Commander is for some reason anxious to show his powers and claim. Maybe some testable powers however he is third party and trying to assert himself as town as early as possible, by defending himself against a wagon.
Or maybe he needs someone to volunteer, and he is able to use or abuse the volunteer somehow. I wouldn't jump in line to volunteer at this point.
If Commander's trick doesn't work and the volunteer doesn't confirm what Commander wanted him to say, then perhaps Commander is a jester. If commander does have a testable role at that point I'll assume he is at best third party. The scumtells were too obvious and crude to be placed by accident, too clear of a progression from small wagon to "accidentally" claiming unlynchable to reluctantly showing off powers.
Another thing I found interesting
edocsil wrote:He is doing no such thing. His grammar is a bit off, but it wasn't that hard to follow.
edocsil wrote:got tonkaed wrote:To be honest, I see no reason to drop the commander line just because he is saying he does not die from a lynch. Given that this is a game with a high number of non vanilla roles, there is no reason to simply push him to the background because he claims a power that could appear in the game.
While I do not think we need to advocate testing this power claim as option a, it should seriously be considered as a backup plan if we are not near a consensus before the deadline.
To me it seems that you think he has claimed unlynchable. This is not true, and it would earn an FOS from me if that is what you are suggesting.
Edoc seems far too sure that commander is not an unlynchable, where commander's line was more than ambiguous. And he's threatening to FOS, if that is thought.
edocsil wrote:Perhaps I m reading it wrong, but to me that is a statement of fact from him, not a soft claim. I can say right now that I will not die due lynching today. Doesn't mean I am unlynchable, it means that it thinks I can work my way out of any problem that may occur in the next 24 hrs. I took it as a statement of solid town power, a role that would be assumed to be in the game if forced to claim ie, cop/doc. I feel like others should have noticed the soft suggestion of Com's, and I feel that GT is digging into town power in an effort to expose our valuable roles.
In that vein I will UNVOTE VOTE GT, we have 24 hrs to find a lynch and he is the one I am most comfortable hanging.
Further on the page, Edoc is willing to lynch gt simply for the fact that he pressuring commander. A definite connection there, made very interesting by Commander's erratic behaviour.
Trouble with all this though, is am not yet exactly sure which of the three possible reasons for Commander's action is likeliest. Two or three seem likeliest but I can only speculate.
