Resort Mafia Endgame, The Grand Finale

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hey, since I'm dead, can i be that replacement?

I suppose, you can replace Hank right now if you want.

[shieldgenerator7]

Refirmed.

I would be reading up on the thread but I already did. yay.

This is just like Heaven Can Wait

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The Vote Count (again)

Hank44Soccer shieldgenerator7 (1) - Anarkistsdream
shieldgenerator7 (3) - safariguy5, evilchaos, Streaker not that one
safariguy5 (3) - Fircoal, Mr. Squirrel, Commander9
Mr. Squirrel (3) - TA1LGUNN3R, Iliad, VioIet
evilchaos (1) - pancakemix
Talapus (1) - chapcrap
chapcrap (1) - Talapus
F1fth (1) - ShaggyDan

so with 17 alive it takes 9 to lynch, deadline in 9 days!

[Mr. Squirrel]

Refirmed.

I would be reading up on the thread but I already did. yay.

This is just like Heaven Can Wait

So I doubt you are allowed to shed some light on the details of your old role? I would be really interested in seeing how a sextuple voter works.

[chapcrap]

Craziness!

Guess I was good not to vote shield...Hmm, before he died he mentioned the BW's on him should be looked at. Streaker and evilchaos? What say you?

[evilchaos]

Craziness!

Guess I was good not to vote shield...Hmm, before he died he mentioned the BW's on him should be looked at. Streaker and evilchaos? What say you?

I didn't bandwagon on him. It was a joke vote that I thought I had already removed.

Here was my original vote:

Hi guys. I just replaced FloresDelMal.

After reading through the thread, I haven't found any good leads. Talapus' arrogant PR is annoying. Squirrel's is moderately funny.

I didn't find anything serious to vote on, so I'm going to go with Vote Shield. We should kill him and take his shields to fend off zombies!

Clearly a joke, but after someone questioned it, I explained that it was a joke further:

Welcome to the game, evil!

I must say that while I agree that there's not a lot to go on yet, I find your choice for a "random vote" somewhat interesting since there was a bandwagon forming on shield before you cast it. Seems a little too convenient to pass off a joke, but then again I'm as paranoid as Talapus. Just a little more charming.

Nonetheless, for the time being I'm okay with the shield wagon. His vote was rather odd as safari mentioned and since we have a lot of time and room for voting and so little info, I think a little pressure would do us well.

Unvote Vote shieldgenerator7

Telling them that you're applying pressure defeats the purpose of doing so - lol.

I had skipped over the vote count before voting for shield. No bandwagon intended. Besides, two votes as opposed to one vote on several other people isn't exactly a bandwagon forming when it takes 10 to lynch.

I had thought I unvoted in that post, but I guess not. I never considered it important to go check because we would never reach the necessary target of 10 votes off of two joke votes and Streaker, whose vote seemed slightly more serious.

By the way, the scene seems to suggest the SK or vigilante (I'm guessing it's one of those, I haven't heard of any other roles that might be able to day kill) didn't get the target they wanted to:

The assassin took off his costume and sprinted at full speed, while at the same time tossing his knife to skewer the man's back. he quickly catches up to the firgure only to see someone completely different than his original target. A grey haired African man looks up with pleading eyes, "Why did you do this?" he asks without moving his lips.
"I'm sorry, you probably didn't need to die yet, but now you've seen too much..." he said as he produced another dagger to cut his talented throat before making a hasty exit.

The real hired mascot's body was found later by employees.

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The original target sounded very much like Tal, as someone already noted. I believe that we need to look towards the individuals who voted for Tal. I haven't gone back and read the reasoning behind the vote yet (I'll do that in one moment), but chapcrap was the only person with a vote on Tal. We should also look at people Tal voted for. I'm going to read back through Tal's posts and try to see if there is a decent case against anyone.

[chapcrap]

I posted a little hastily and the death scene threw me. After reflecting:

I still have no idea. I don't think that evil or Streaker would necessarily be bad at all. I actually would think more along the lines that they were townies because of the way things went down. Perhaps our gaze should be directed at someone shield went after (not sure who he's gone after, joke or otherwise) and/or someone who has been quiet in the thread.

[evilchaos]

There is a decent case here against chapcrap:

Although, I kind of want to bandwagon onto Shield, talapus just seems like he should be lynched. I think he's trying to throw out disguise by talking so much and being nuts (not that far from ordinary).

unvote vote talapus

Chapcrap admits to wanting to bandwagon on another player, but then votes for Tal without reason. He did this while we were transitioning from the joke voting stage to serious discussion, and he didn't even seem to make a joke out of it. It sounds like he's trying to distract everybody, almost.

NUTS! You offend me sir. You are not fit to breath the same air I breath nor walk the same places I have been. You don't know me, where I come from, what I've dealt with in my life. How dare you drag my sanity through the mud. How dare you even use my name in a sentence and utter it out loud. For shame sir, FOR SHAME!

Now, as for talking lots, thats untruthful as I've posted once today and haven't spoken since Tuesday before that post. So those types of infamatory comments are completely beneath even you sir. Secondly, since my post on Tuesday you've brought us such wonderful content posts such as:

1) Someone taking you up on Mr. Squirrels nuts bet
2) A joke post about shrimp on the barby
2) A comparison between this and LOST
4) And now, this dreck with outright fabrications!

As for "disguise", well again, you don't know me sir. I am proud of who I am and how I got to be where I am. You however have no common decency for your fellow man though as you would take my life accomplishments and even character and rake them through the mud. I'm done reading your Dreck. I would vote you for inflamatory comments and not being worth the very oxygen you breath. However your desire to hop on a bandwagon speaks even more to your character then me confronting your dribble and I think other more decent men then yourself will notice that and cast votes your way. I may not wish to associate with the likes of you sir, however I don't wish you nor others here harm or ill will. Unless of course you're that bloody bellman who promised to retreive me a New York Times. That young man had better be ready to pack as waiting for more then 10 minutes is unacceptable. Who runs this place?

As Tal states in his response to the vote, chapcrap is posting very randomly. He isn't contributing to the discussion, yet he calls someone out for doing the same. This sounds like scum who wants to blend in by making some claims, but at the same time doesn't want to actually help with discussion.

So what do we know about Tal's PR and role? He is arrogant and said things about Russia. He appears to be privileged (i.e. wealthy, politically powerful, etc.). He claims he worked somehow to get his position of power (wasn't from inheritence; "I am proud of who I am and how I got to be where I am").

Are you Soviet Premeir Joseph Stalin?

Not sure if he is Stalin or not, but Stalin seems kinda scummy to me. Look at that mustache.

He comments on Stalin's moustache. I brought it up as a joke, but my post was also a compilation of what we know about Tal's PR in an attempt to analyze what type of person he is and what role he could play in the game. Chapcrap's post contained no substance.

Well, it certainly didn't give us much to go on and it wasn't very helpful for any of us. Both him and Chapcrap seem to have the same style of taking up space, emitting hot air, and adding no real substance.

Oh, what is this. WHAT IS THIS! A GREEN M & M? GREEEEN?!?! My rider specifically states no green M & M's in the candy bar. Are you stupid? Can't you read? Are you color blind? But, it doesn't matter. No excuse is good enough for this. You are a disgrace and disgust me. Get out of my site and pack your bags. I'll have you fired before you hit the front desk.

For now though I will vote Chapcrap for openly admitting to want to bandwagon without any reason. Day one or not, that isn't really the best idea.

Unvote(If Needed)
Vote :Chapcrap

Tal votes for Chapcrap on the basis that he earlier said he was tempted to bandwagon on Shield. Only scum need bandwagons, although it should be noted that he never actually did join the joke bandwagon on Shield.

While I am new to this on CC (as Fir stated), I have played before. I wasn't trying to bandwagon just to do it. I felt like he was trying to change focus, just as safari stated. However, I didn't vote for him (shield) yet because I wasn't sure. And as far as bandwagonning goes, evilchaos is right, why would I even say that I was thinking about jumping on shield if I was scum? I would just back up the argument and hop on.

Tal, as far as taking up space and not adding substance, have you been reading your own posts? I know you're trying to play out your role, but that's all your posts have been until now. That's what my posts earlier were too, playing a role. All you did was say exactly what you have been doing and try to say that I was doing it worse than you. My vote stays on Tal for now, but I have a FOS pointed right at shield. I've got my eyes on both of you.

Chap responds by throwing more accusations at Tal without any proof. Tal had just posted substance by accusing Chap, so his accustaions that Tal was doing nothing are completely false. He really seems to want a bandwagon to start on Tal for little/no reason. He also still keeps an FoS on Shield, despite stating NO reasons why he could be scum. This post has no legitimate content.

Agreed that shield isn't overly suspicious. Neither is Tal for that matter. However, for my money I'd be betting on one of them. There isn't a lot to go on yet.

Aside: I do like Tal playing out his roles.

He states that Shield and Tal aren't suspicious, but he bets they're scum? lolwut? He stated he has no evidence to suggest Tal or Shield are scum, but then he would put money on them being scum. Contradiction much?

Craziness!

Guess I was good not to vote shield...Hmm, before he died he mentioned the BW's on him should be looked at. Streaker and evilchaos? What say you?

Finally, chapcrap claims that we should look at Shield's bandwagoners. He fails to look back at my post to see a clear joke vote (see my above post where it is quoted). He doesn't offer any analysis at all, just points us in a direction we would have gone anyway. Again, he shows no real effort to build a case against anybody.

He also completely ignores the fact that from the mid-day scene, it doesn't seem like the killer was targetting Shield. His real target got away. It sounds like it was Tal, considering how full of himself the real target appeared to be. If he had read through the whole scene, he would know what exactly happened. As it is, it looks like he skimmed it. Major scum tell right there in my opinion. Even if he didn't skim, he failed to analyze anything. He didn't provide us with any new insight or information that could help us find whoever it is we have to find (probably at least one SK. I would bet on a cult as well, or a second mafia family).

It should also be noted that, if the target was actually Tal as the night scene suggests, chapcrap was the only person who had a vote on him. Ignoring that fact and shifting the conversation towards shield's bandwagoners could be his way of shifting pressure off of him. We seriously have to examine the fact that he was the only one who was butting heads with Tal on a regular basis.

CONCLUSION:

- Chap fails to provide any real content in many of his posts. He discusses things such as Squirrel's nuts and Stalin's moustache.
- Even when he talks about game-related things, he posts about 50% fluff, 25% BS, and 25% common knowledge being reposted.
- He seems to attempt to look helpful by posting simple, 1-2 lined posts that don't truly help us build a case against anyone.
- He appears to be skimming based on his complete lack of comment regarding the true nature of the night scene OR he was trying to get us to ignore it.

Based on the above:

Unvote vote Chapcrap

[evilchaos]

I posted a little hastily and the death scene threw me. After reflecting:

I still have no idea. I don't think that evil or Streaker would necessarily be bad at all. I actually would think more along the lines that they were townies because of the way things went down. Perhaps our gaze should be directed at someone shield went after (not sure who he's gone after, joke or otherwise) and/or someone who has been quiet in the thread.

And again, he ignored the comment I made before he posted this regarding Tal's apparent involvement as the first target. Something is going on here, and I don't like it.

[chapcrap]

In response to evilchaos, who has spent a lot of time trying to make a grandiose case against me:

First, I admitted that neither sheild or Tal looked suspicious. If I was trying to get someone to jump on board with me on them to get them lynched, what kind of tactic is that?

Second, when I said that Tal's posts were full of hot air, I was only saying this because that was his argument to say that I seemed like scum. His posts have been way more ridiculous than anything that I have said, even if they are his role.

Third, I can almost guarantee that most of my posts won't have a lot of substance. Sorry for that. I try to joke too much and I am new to mafia games. This was the case when I commented on Stalin's mustache. You can't put a picture like that up and expect me to think it's a serious post.

Fourth, is it a big deal if I say that I have a FoS on sheild? I don't know the etiquette, but I thought I what I was basically saying is that I was gonna be keeping a close eye on him.

Fifth, me saying that I would put money on Tal or shield was just playing around a little. I'm a gambler. That's part of my role. I've been gambling in this whole thread (see my posts about zombies, squirrel's nuts, etc.).

Sixth, if shield got killed, then I think that was probably who the SK(?) was going for. That's just how the death scene was written up. If I was the scum and was having FoS on shield, then why kill him? And if the scum was going for Tal, like evil thinks, then why would I do that either. I was looking at both of them as scum in my previous posts, why would I kill them now and make myself look like a moron?

Seventh, I'm not scum, mafia, cult, SK, or whatever. I'm just a highroller, looking to hit a big payday.

[Talapus]

Ok, really note sure what is going on here, my internet must be acting up as I've now posted my thoughts three times in this thread and they aren't actually showing up. So forgive me if you see lots of posts that look similar. I will try this once again and then attempt a reset on my end.

Why on Earth would someone want to target me? I understand many of you are envious and probably dream every night of going to sleep and waking up looking, acting and living just a bit more like me. However, if there is a god, he would turn you down as he as perfected the perfect individual already..... .

I really don't understand however how a town member appears to have come after me so hard without even an investigation first. As I stated before I have nothing to hide and am town myself, so what motive is there tp day kill me before someone has even had a chance to check. Also I have never played with a sextuple voter, but is it possible that with his vote on me(I assume because he tried to kill me) that he saw 5 other versions of him all wanting me dead as well and somehow killed one of those and thus died himself?

Finally, what is the signifigance with the god mascot costume? Is anthoer player here missing his? Because it sounded he may have taken the costume from someone. All around I don't really understand at the moment as as I said need to reset this internet because it's upsetting and frustrating me to no end at the moment. So I will return to you all later after a stiff scotch and some verbal degrading of the staff, which always seems to clear my head and calm my nerves.

[evilchaos]

I don't exactly know why anyone would waste a day kill on Tal. He doesn't sound like a cop or doctor, if the killer was anti-town. He doesn't seem scummy, if the killer was pro-town. It's rather confusing. I'm more concerned with chap's response and general behavior than the day scene itself.

As for Chap's points, I will address them in the order presented.

1) You said that, but then kept your vote on Tal and basically FOS'd Shield. Your actions speak louder than words.

2) He's playing a role, but he also posts with purpose. Every post he has made has served a purpose and brought about some type of discussion (after the joke votes anyway). Yours have not.

3) It's fine to joke; I'm a fan of humor. It isn't fine to do nothing but joke or post fluff.

4) An FOS is one step down from a vote. It's basically saying that you either are very close to voting for him or would vote for him, but you have another scummy person who you've already placed a vote on. FOSing is like voting in the sense that you should have some reason behind it. You did not.

5) You mean you were playing your role, just like you criticized Tal for doing? There is a bit of a double standard here. Also, it doesn't really matter how you phrased it. Your intent was to throw suspicion on Tal and Shield. It doesn't matter whether or not you phrased it to include your role.

6) This is highly WIFOM.

7) I'm not convinced.

[safariguy5]

Ok, really note sure what is going on here, my internet must be acting up as I've now posted my thoughts three times in this thread and they aren't actually showing up. So forgive me if you see lots of posts that look similar. I will try this once again and then attempt a reset on my end.

Why on Earth would someone want to target me? I understand many of you are envious and probably dream every night of going to sleep and waking up looking, acting and living just a bit more like me. However, if there is a god, he would turn you down as he as perfected the perfect individual already..... .

I really don't understand however how a town member appears to have come after me so hard without even an investigation first. As I stated before I have nothing to hide and am town myself, so what motive is there tp day kill me before someone has even had a chance to check. Also I have never played with a sextuple voter, but is it possible that with his vote on me(I assume because he tried to kill me) that he saw 5 other versions of him all wanting me dead as well and somehow killed one of those and thus died himself?

Finally, what is the signifigance with the god mascot costume? Is anthoer player here missing his? Because it sounded he may have taken the costume from someone. All around I don't really understand at the moment as as I said need to reset this internet because it's upsetting and frustrating me to no end at the moment. So I will return to you all later after a stiff scotch and some verbal degrading of the staff, which always seems to clear my head and calm my nerves.

I really think that it was some sort of SKer that went after you with a DK, no reasonable townie would use a basically random DK on someone during Day 1.

[chapcrap]

I don't exactly know why anyone would waste a day kill on Tal. He doesn't sound like a cop or doctor, if the killer was anti-town. He doesn't seem scummy, if the killer was pro-town. It's rather confusing. I'm more concerned with chap's response and general behavior than the day scene itself.

As for Chap's points, I will address them in the order presented.

1) You said that, but then kept your vote on Tal and basically FOS'd Shield. Your actions speak louder than words.

2) He's playing a role, but he also posts with purpose. Every post he has made has served a purpose and brought about some type of discussion (after the joke votes anyway). Yours have not.

3) It's fine to joke; I'm a fan of humor. It isn't fine to do nothing but joke or post fluff.

4) An FOS is one step down from a vote. It's basically saying that you either are very close to voting for him or would vote for him, but you have another scummy person who you've already placed a vote on. FOSing is like voting in the sense that you should have some reason behind it. You did not.

5) You mean you were playing your role, just like you criticized Tal for doing? There is a bit of a double standard here. Also, it doesn't really matter how you phrased it. Your intent was to throw suspicion on Tal and Shield. It doesn't matter whether or not you phrased it to include your role.

6) This is highly WIFOM.

7) I'm not convinced.

Don't try to say that every one of Tal's posts have served a purpose, because they all haven't. As for your rebuttal to my number 1, I didn't realize an FoS was such a big deal. I have no idea what WIFOM is supposed to mean. I never criticized Tal for playing his role. I actually said I liked that he played it.

It seems like all of your posts against me are ridiculous. unvote

[Commander9]

For being such a prolific poster, he's gone cold for several pages now. Nothing of substance yet, but we're firmly out of the jokevote stage and his jokevote came just as tal was trying to transition to a serious discussion. See, if he had posted a good reason for voting tal or even a good reason for voting anyone, I wouldn't have said anything. But that vote was clearly a joke and aimed at the guy looking for things to talk about.

I'm assuming that was a reference to me. First of all, as you may now from other games (in which you are playing), I've been gone for a bit and I've just finished re-reading and didn't post anything up to this point. Second of all, you know that it was not a joke vote - it doesn't look anything like it. Good try, but it won't work.

No, I actually was talking about my justification for voting shield.

shield followed the Tal post about rereading the thread with a jokevote based on tal's love of cannibalism when we were joking around about zombies . And I meant shield posts a lot on the forums so for him to not post in here for a while is a bit odd.

Well, I am a bit shocked that you expected substance from shield then I can agree that it may be a bit odd, but it still looks like you're picking him as an easy target.

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Tal, my good friend, your PR playing is hilarious. However, you are quite annoying. I wouldn't mind lynching you, though I would go for that $20 for getting you that extra pillow.

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I really think that it was some sort of SKer that went after you with a DK, no reasonable townie would use a basically random DK on someone during Day 1.

This. A really odd kill, but I'm more so interested (as Mr. S said) what the hell is a sextuple voter...

[Talapus]

Ok, evil and chaos are going head to head and I need to reread through the arguments when I get some time later tonight. RL is calling so it may be a few hours. I would however like to put this out there and hope others agree. But, with a player in this game who gets 6 votes, it means there could be someone else with that ability. Scum or not, it doesn't matter because it is a serious power in this game. So, from this point on I think we all need to be careful with bandwagons and placing any more then 2 votes on a person at a time. Not paranoid so much, as I am concerned with someone else out there like that. They make the potential for an early hammer with no claim and start of early night very real at this point.

Also, do not fret about the hysterical weeping coming from the back stairwell. Some incompetent ex-staff member dared to question my earlier requests for how I want my mini bar stocked and set up daily. Not only will she never make that mistake again but I believe she will question whether or not she should even breed and plaguu the rest of us with her offspring. Which is how it should be. Incompetent, unworthy people should not be allowed to procreate and burden the rest of high society. Truly, they have no shame.

[chapcrap]

Ok, evil and chaos are going head to head and I need to reread through the arguments when I get some time later tonight. RL is calling so it may be a few hours. I would however like to put this out there and hope others agree. But, with a player in this game who gets 6 votes, it means there could be someone else with that ability. Scum or not, it doesn't matter because it is a serious power in this game. So, from this point on I think we all need to be careful with bandwagons and placing any more then 2 votes on a person at a time. Not paranoid so much, as I am concerned with someone else out there like that. They make the potential for an early hammer with no claim and start of early night very real at this point.

Also, do not fret about the hysterical weeping coming from the back stairwell. Some incompetent ex-staff member dared to question my earlier requests for how I want my mini bar stocked and set up daily. Not only will she never make that mistake again but I believe she will question whether or not she should even breed and plaguu the rest of us with her offspring. Which is how it should be. Incompetent, unworthy people should not be allowed to procreate and burden the rest of high society. Truly, they have no shame.

Evil and chaoschap.

Although, I would like to see evilchaos argue with himself. (Sorry for the joke, hope that doesn't make me scum.)

[evilchaos]

Well, chaos, you took more than an hour to respond to this post. I noticed you played one of your CC games during that time. Why weren't you in this thread?

Evil, stop throwing around weak arguments. I was in a call with one of the management staff on the site I work on discussing something important. OMGUS. Vote Evil.

Chaos, your urgency to vote for me shows how right I am. Vote Chaos.

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Did I meet your expectations of an Evil/Chaos argument Tal?

@Mod: Votes are not bolded and therefore are not official (if you couldn't already tell, lmao).

I'll post a rebuttal to Chap's latest post in a few minutes so that it's all nice and separated out from the joking. I am a little OCD.

[evilchaos]

I don't exactly know why anyone would waste a day kill on Tal. He doesn't sound like a cop or doctor, if the killer was anti-town. He doesn't seem scummy, if the killer was pro-town. It's rather confusing. I'm more concerned with chap's response and general behavior than the day scene itself.

As for Chap's points, I will address them in the order presented.

1) You said that, but then kept your vote on Tal and basically FOS'd Shield. Your actions speak louder than words.

2) He's playing a role, but he also posts with purpose. Every post he has made has served a purpose and brought about some type of discussion (after the joke votes anyway). Yours have not.

3) It's fine to joke; I'm a fan of humor. It isn't fine to do nothing but joke or post fluff.

4) An FOS is one step down from a vote. It's basically saying that you either are very close to voting for him or would vote for him, but you have another scummy person who you've already placed a vote on. FOSing is like voting in the sense that you should have some reason behind it. You did not.

5) You mean you were playing your role, just like you criticized Tal for doing? There is a bit of a double standard here. Also, it doesn't really matter how you phrased it. Your intent was to throw suspicion on Tal and Shield. It doesn't matter whether or not you phrased it to include your role.

6) This is highly WIFOM.

7) I'm not convinced.

Don't try to say that every one of Tal's posts have served a purpose, because they all haven't. As for your rebuttal to my number 1, I didn't realize an FoS was such a big deal. I have no idea what WIFOM is supposed to mean. I never criticized Tal for playing his role. I actually said I liked that he played it.

It seems like all of your posts against me are ridiculous. unvote

Tal's posts have all contained SOME type of content (whether it be his opinion on someone, his defense against something, speculation about the setup of the game, etc.) after we left the random voting stage. WIFOM refuses to circular logic. Your sixth point stated that you wouldn't target Shield if you had FoS on him because this would make you suspicious. Players know this, so maybe scum would purposefully attack the one they're FoSing because they could make just the argument you did. But players also know this so...

It's basically logic that never resolves itself. It isn't a good defense.

As for never criticizing Tal, you stated, and I quote, "I think he's trying to throw out disguise by talking so much" I assumed this referred to his PR, as that is the majority of the fluff in his posts. You later stated that you enjoyed it, this is true, but it remained the original reason you voted for him (a vote which you never removed).

@Everyone: What do you think of that day scene? I personally believe the target was Tal, but it could easily be interpreted several different ways. What are possible motives for someone to target Shield? What are possible motives for someone to target Tal?

[Talapus]

@Everyone: What do you think of that day scene? I personally believe the target was Tal, but it could easily be interpreted several different ways. What are possible motives for someone to target Shield? What are possible motives for someone to target Tal?

Jealousy, plain and simple. That or they wish to get me out of the way so they may steal my belongings as they are something most people could never hope to obtain with a working salary. And yes, it does appear as though whoever it was the individual was trying to kill, was me. The mod said he would use things from our flavor backstories in the posts and I've been very verbal with mine. And it sounds quite a bit like me.

I wonder though about shield's post after the scene because it almost sounded like it was him who went after me. Let me see if I can find it:

Whathium?!
Highly suspicious... I thought it was going to be Tal. oh well

Well anyway, good game. Go Town! (or that is, Resort Guests and Staff)

After rereading everything this almost kinda sounds like he tried to go after me and failed. But maybe I'm looking too much into it. Probably can't get answers to those questions now though anyway since he replaced.

Sorry evil, honestly didn't mean to botch your name in earlier post. I meant chap. I won't outright call it a mistake, as I don't make those, at least won't admit them. I will say the scotch had possibly already had it's hold on me so wasn't paying much attention

As for possible reasons to target shield I have no idea. People were voting him already so it honestly doesn't make any sense. As for voting me I see no real motive either. The only real thing I could think of was to frame someone. But there again really isn't much reason to do that day one. It's just odd all around. Also I see upon rereading that staff died to give up the mascot costume so I guess nothing important there. Missed it the first time through but my internet was really acting strange earlier.

The discussion between evil and chap though is great and bringing up some valid points. However I think we need some more guests in here talking to make more headway. Some of us are very vocal while others are almost nonexistent. Hopefully they arrive soon.

For now though, I'm off for a walk to be alone with my thoughts and have what can only be a truly stimulating internal conversation. I am so interesting and talanted I feel somewhat sad for the rest of you as you'll never experience the joy of my own perfection.

[safariguy5]

While it might be a stretch to say that EVERY talapus post has been significant, I do think he's been more helpful or "townish" than half the people in this game. And there's no good way to logic out of a WIFOM there chap, chaos does bring up a good point about that.

As far as using FOS, I usually use it to show multiple suspicious people. For instance, if 3 different people bandwagonned, then I would probably vote one of them and FOS the other two. It makes no sense to FOS someone and then vote for someone else who you never mentioned in the case.

I think that the target was Tal, but I really doubt a possible day busdriver. It could be he's untargetable or bulletproof, but I have no way of knowing what is true. Not sure what a ventriloquist does, could have something to do with the death.

[safariguy5]

While it might be a stretch to say that EVERY talapus post has been significant, I do think he's been more helpful or "townish" than half the people in this game. And there's no good way to logic out of a WIFOM there chap, chaos does bring up a good point about that.

As far as using FOS, I usually use it to show multiple suspicious people. For instance, if 3 different people bandwagonned, then I would probably vote one of them and FOS the other two. It makes no sense to FOS someone and then vote for someone else who you never mentioned in the case.

I think that the target was Tal, but I really doubt a possible day busdriver. It could be he's untargetable or bulletproof, but I have no way of knowing what is true. Not sure what a ventriloquist does, could have something to do with the death.

EBWOP, unvote vote chapcrap

[F1fth]

I don't exactly know why anyone would waste a day kill on Tal. He doesn't sound like a cop or doctor, if the killer was anti-town. He doesn't seem scummy, if the killer was pro-town. It's rather confusing. I'm more concerned with chap's response and general behavior than the day scene itself.

As for Chap's points, I will address them in the order presented.

1) You said that, but then kept your vote on Tal and basically FOS'd Shield. Your actions speak louder than words.

2) He's playing a role, but he also posts with purpose. Every post he has made has served a purpose and brought about some type of discussion (after the joke votes anyway). Yours have not.

3) It's fine to joke; I'm a fan of humor. It isn't fine to do nothing but joke or post fluff.

4) An FOS is one step down from a vote. It's basically saying that you either are very close to voting for him or would vote for him, but you have another scummy person who you've already placed a vote on. FOSing is like voting in the sense that you should have some reason behind it. You did not.

5) You mean you were playing your role, just like you criticized Tal for doing? There is a bit of a double standard here. Also, it doesn't really matter how you phrased it. Your intent was to throw suspicion on Tal and Shield. It doesn't matter whether or not you phrased it to include your role.

6) This is highly WIFOM.

7) I'm not convinced.

Don't try to say that every one of Tal's posts have served a purpose, because they all haven't. As for your rebuttal to my number 1, I didn't realize an FoS was such a big deal. I have no idea what WIFOM is supposed to mean. I never criticized Tal for playing his role. I actually said I liked that he played it.

It seems like all of your posts against me are ridiculous. unvote

Tal's posts have all contained SOME type of content (whether it be his opinion on someone, his defense against something, speculation about the setup of the game, etc.) after we left the random voting stage. WIFOM refuses to circular logic. Your sixth point stated that you wouldn't target Shield if you had FoS on him because this would make you suspicious. Players know this, so maybe scum would purposefully attack the one they're FoSing because they could make just the argument you did. But players also know this so...

It's basically logic that never resolves itself. It isn't a good defense.

As for never criticizing Tal, you stated, and I quote, "I think he's trying to throw out disguise by talking so much" I assumed this referred to his PR, as that is the majority of the fluff in his posts. You later stated that you enjoyed it, this is true, but it remained the original reason you voted for him (a vote which you never removed).

@Everyone: What do you think of that day scene? I personally believe the target was Tal, but it could easily be interpreted several different ways. What are possible motives for someone to target Shield? What are possible motives for someone to target Tal?

If you want my opinion on Chap and you, from my experience you seem like a couple of townies arguing with each other. While Chap could be making a clever ploy, I doubt he would try to draw suspicion on himself by FOSing the guy he then immediately kills because now he's a prime target for any investigative-type roles (we should have a few in a game this big). I'm not so sure the novice is the evil mastermind you think he is. Regardless, I'd suggest we relax a bit and take a look at the people who have been laying low lately but maybe posted a decent amount early on, as I feel that's the most likely place to find the daykiller and a good place to look for scum. These are mostly just my day 1 instincts though.

I think it's pretty clear that Tal was targeted with the kill and something happened to it. Two possibilities are a busdriving (which is unlikely for a few reasons as Safari says) or some kind of protection on Tal, but I'm not ruling out that it could be something random and unexpected. Neither Shield nor Tal have indicated that they know anything about what happened so I suppose we have to leave that mystery unsolved for now unless they have something to share with us.

[chapcrap]

F1fth is right I think.

However, he mentioned that shield and Tal hadn't revealed anything about the scene. Remember that shield has a new role now. He can't say anything about his old role. Maybe our mod could give some clarification as to what shield's previous role was.

Safari, all you just did was sum up what evil and I had already talked about...and then voted for me. Bandwagon much?

To go on what F1fth's suspicions are, who has been quiet lately? Here's the list I have. Squirrel was the most active earlier.

Haggis_McMutton
Fircoal
Iliad
Mr. Squirrel
VioIet
pancakemix
Anarkistsdream

[shieldgenerator7]

*yawn* I just got back from taking a nap. What did I miss (no, jk, i read the thread)

Yes, I am now someone else. I have no memories of my old self. So I'll call him by shield7 and try to analyze his posts objectively.

When he said "oh I thought it was going to be Tal who was killed" I think he meant that the target sounded a lot like tal and that it seemed like he was going to be killed. I honestly do not foresee that he could have possibly went for tal and ended up killing himself, as the murderer in the costume killed someone althouugh it was not his original target. Tal's too fast to be killed. And unless there's a day busdriver, tal's presence in the flavor was just a way for the mod to spice up the DK. I really wonder tho who would have wanted shield7 dead. And why?

interesting... Chap, i suspected you when I read "Oh, I'm glad I didn't hop on the shield wagon". It happened pretty soon after the flavor text, and it seemed like you were trying to find an alibi in not having voted for him, at the same time throwing suspicion on all who BW'd on shield7. Although this could just be naive mistake, i highly suspect that you're scum, but i don't feel I have enough evidence on you yet.