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Re: Zombie Mafia - DAY ONE - +- 40 hours until deadline!

Postby pancakemix on Thu Jan 28, 2010 8:31 am

MountainLion wrote:This is actually kind of funny. It went from voting the bad player to voting the player who appears to be protecting him.

pancakemix wrote:Removed for brevity, see my post above.


By your own reasoning PCM, you incriminate yourself. You say Colton could be "our doc" and yet you vote me for "defending" him?


If I remember correctly, isn't there some kind of tell that whoever is the first to mention the doctor is either the doctor or scum?

PCM, I think your plan is to get me lynched and then have Colton around later for another lynch. In fact, you even "helped" us with a vote count. How nice of you to do that. Maybe you know we are both town and you'd prefer to get rid of me first?


And YOU have incriminated yourself by showing that you did not read more than one paragraph of my post. I said the argument works both ways, but the scumtells are on you, not him. I'd much rather follow the leads that we have than vote based on who's an "asset", an argument for Colton's lynch which you completely overlook in quoting only part of my post.

I can honestly say that I have never heard that. Ever.

Whether you turn up scum or town, Colton will have to explain himself, as will CW. I don't see a problem with pointing out leads for Day 2. If you ask me, you're getting pretty defensive, especially considering that I'm not the one who presented the argument against you. You didn't really respond to Serbia either, you just gave him a roundabout "It's hard to read people" answer. The VC was to make the point of how quickly he acquired votes.
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Re: Zombie Mafia - DAY ONE

Postby Koesen on Thu Jan 28, 2010 9:35 am

Vote Count:

GimpyThewonder / Happy2seeyou: 3 (Talapus, ga7, Colton)
Mandalorian: 1 (GimpyThewonder)
Iliad: 1 (Mountainlion)
Fircoal: 1 (F1fth)
Mountainlion: 2 (Serbia, Pancakemix)
Colton: 3 (Captainwalrus, LSU, Mandalorian)

15 alive, 8 to lynch. Deadline Friday morning 10 AM EST / 3 PM GMT, approximately 24 hours from now.
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Re: Zombie Mafia - DAY ONE - +- 24 hours until deadline!

Postby Talapus on Thu Jan 28, 2010 12:29 pm

Ok, I reread everything(YAY, back from buisness from nowhere Wyoming and I have reliable internet). As I see it there are 3 peeps to vote for now that we may have enough suspicion to swing a vote towards them. First is colton, although I haven't played enough with him, I get the sense that others have and it sounds like when colton makes a stand, he doesn't change his mind. And with little info to go on in day one, I find it odd that he has been rather all over the place with his convictions on who is scum and his defense of his votes. These actions are very typical for a new player learning what is and isn't ok to do in a mafia game, so most of us let it slide as we realize they are still new. But from what has already been said from other players, I don't get the sense we should be cutting him any kind of slack and letting him get away with it here. Mainly because if he has been around awhile and already knows all this, then why change the way he plays unless he has something to hide?

As for Mountainlion, there is a rather compelling argument out right now that he has supported colton and backed him up with his posts. Now I have played with Mountainlion before and have seen several times where he supports who he thinks has been wronged or agreed with someone that eventually turned out to be scum. It's almost gotten him lynched once or twice before and there was a lot more to go on in those games then there is to go on here. He also states his case rather clearly though and if he was wrong he admits it later. But regardless, he has never based any accusation or lead out of complete BS and I think at this point, the coincedence in the posts between him and colton is just that....coincedence. I may be wrong, but that is what it looks like. I would rather vote colton over ML because if colton turns out scum then ML will do some serious backpeddling tomorrow and bring forth a greath argument first thing that we can all discuss and think about on whether or not we are going to lynch him. Because let's face it, unless something happens in the night that gives us great insight, whichever one doesn't die today will probably be lynched tomorrow.

As for mandy, well:

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gimpyThewonder wrote:Mandy that's like logical equivalent of Russian Roulet. Shoot as many people as possible and HOPE that the bullet fires on a bad guy. In all the games we've played together this is my first encounter w/ this particular philosophy. As such, b/c I disagree w/ your methodology and we are pressed for time

vote mandy

it pains me but must be done
Basically you are saying we should not kill people randomly, but you are willing to kill someone you don't want to kill whenever the time limit is expiring.


I didn't want to vote him because Mandy adds something to the game and makes it more fun. But i still feel that his tactics are of the scummy variety in this instance.


I agree with this statement for many reasons and if it were anyone else, most of us vets would probably be voting mandy's sorry ass right now. Basically mandy is just backing up support for a "random" lynch. Many games have them as an option, and yes, sometimes a random lynch may be more helpful(Can't think of one example, but just because it hasn't happened doesn't mean it won't). I would completely agree with you gimpy that this is scummy and several other vets here too would claim a random lynch doesn't help town at all. Typically we'd all jump on that bandwagon and lynch the poor sucker encouraging a random lynch but it's not happening here. Honestly, I've played in several large games with Mandy and he's always one of the first to jump onboard with a "random" lynch. It's nothing new for him and he never really gets anywhere supporting it. So, although your post is accurate, most of us are probably so use to seeing him do this that we don't care. Not defending mandy(As he was born scummy :evil: ), just claiming his post seemed scummy because of that statement though is not enough to get me to vote him or others for that matter.

So, mandy, ML, or colton. For now, I don't have enough to go on to swing a vote mandy's way. As for ML, I think he is the lesser choice for a day one lynch. If we were to lynch colton and find him to be scum, then ML will go down tomorrow and fight the whole way doing so. Proably bringing forth a compelling argument and weeding out other scum buddies in the process(If he has any). Colton's actions though seem the least closest to his character according to other players. So, I think he's our best bet. that said, Unvote, Vote: Colton
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Re: Zombie Mafia - DAY ONE - +- 24 hours until deadline!

Postby colton24 on Thu Jan 28, 2010 4:16 pm

OK I'll hand out a claim.

I'm a watcher and frankly we don't need to lose 2 town power roles in one day. If there is a doc please protect me so I can watch someone and, hey, maybe catch a mafia member
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Re: Zombie Mafia - DAY ONE - +- 24 hours until deadline!

Postby Talapus on Thu Jan 28, 2010 6:24 pm

colton24 wrote:OK I'll hand out a claim.

I'm a watcher and frankly we don't need to lose 2 town power roles in one day. If there is a doc please protect me so I can watch someone and, hey, maybe catch a mafia member



Ummmm, that seemed rather unnecessary. Why'd you claim so quick? The fact that my logic made sense and that you're really scum so you want a fake claim so we can let you live? Or the fact that you really are way too damn anxious for your own good? Because if you are town, you really should of held out longer before claiming.....just saying. There was no argument from you just a claim....not the best move on your part.
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Re: Zombie Mafia - DAY ONE - +- 24 hours until deadline!

Postby colton24 on Thu Jan 28, 2010 6:44 pm

Talapus wrote:
colton24 wrote:OK I'll hand out a claim.

I'm a watcher and frankly we don't need to lose 2 town power roles in one day. If there is a doc please protect me so I can watch someone and, hey, maybe catch a mafia member



Ummmm, that seemed rather unnecessary. Why'd you claim so quick? The fact that my logic made sense and that you're really scum so you want a fake claim so we can let you live? Or the fact that you really are way too damn anxious for your own good? Because if you are town, you really should of held out longer before claiming.....just saying. There was no argument from you just a claim....not the best move on your part.


I thought when the deadline came the person with the highest amount of votes was lynched.

Anyways with 5 votes on me why would I let myself get lynched?
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Re: Zombie Mafia - DAY ONE - +- 24 hours until deadline!

Postby Talapus on Thu Jan 28, 2010 6:48 pm

colton24 wrote:
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colton24 wrote:OK I'll hand out a claim.

I'm a watcher and frankly we don't need to lose 2 town power roles in one day. If there is a doc please protect me so I can watch someone and, hey, maybe catch a mafia member



Ummmm, that seemed rather unnecessary. Why'd you claim so quick? The fact that my logic made sense and that you're really scum so you want a fake claim so we can let you live? Or the fact that you really are way too damn anxious for your own good? Because if you are town, you really should of held out longer before claiming.....just saying. There was no argument from you just a claim....not the best move on your part.


I thought when the deadline came the person with the highest amount of votes was lynched.

Anyways with 5 votes on me why would I let myself get lynched?


I only count 4 votes and deadline isn't reached until tomorrow....so ya, not really buying it.
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Re: Zombie Mafia - DAY ONE - +- 24 hours until deadline!

Postby colton24 on Thu Jan 28, 2010 6:51 pm

Well if you want to lose 2 town power roles in one day be my guest. If you don't then I wouldn't lynch me. If there is a doc out there please protect me
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Re: Zombie Mafia - DAY ONE - +- 24 hours until deadline!

Postby captainwalrus on Thu Jan 28, 2010 7:11 pm

colton24 wrote:Well if you want to lose 2 town power roles in one day be my guest. If you don't then I wouldn't lynch me. If there is a doc out there please protect me

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Re: Zombie Mafia - DAY ONE - +- 40 hours until deadline!

Postby MountainLion on Thu Jan 28, 2010 7:20 pm

pancakemix wrote:And YOU have incriminated yourself by showing that you did not read more than one paragraph of my post. I said the argument works both ways, but the scumtells are on you, not him. I'd much rather follow the leads that we have than vote based on who's an "asset", an argument for Colton's lynch which you completely overlook in quoting only part of my post.

I can honestly say that I have never heard that. Ever.

Whether you turn up scum or town, Colton will have to explain himself, as will CW. I don't see a problem with pointing out leads for Day 2. If you ask me, you're getting pretty defensive, especially considering that I'm not the one who presented the argument against you. You didn't really respond to Serbia either, you just gave him a roundabout "It's hard to read people" answer. The VC was to make the point of how quickly he acquired votes.


Yeah, you said it works both ways, but you finish (directly after that) by linking Colton to being a doc and me being a godfather. If it works both ways, why do you go with Colton being town? Perhaps you are the one protecting him? Here is your exact quote by the way: "The chances of one of them having a particular scum role is equal to the chances of one of them getting an equally powerful pro-town role, and it does us no good if by lynching Colton we eliminate our doc and by letting ML live we let the GF go free, all the while throwing suspicion from our intended target?"

I could be wrong on that, but I swear I heard it somewhere. I think it was wicked who mentioned it in a game.

Defensive? I suppose you could see it that way. I'm trying to find scum, so why wouldn't I try to poke at you for a response? Plus it's fun.

I didn't respond to Serbia? I gave him the only reasoning I could for what I've done, which is the truth. I don't have anything else.


Anyway, I hope this isn't two town members building a battleground. We've all seen that before while the real scum sit quietly by and watch.

At this point I've now heard all I need to hear from Colton. If he comes up scum, I'm more than happy to defend myself on day 2.

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Re: Zombie Mafia - DAY ONE - +- 40 hours until deadline!

Postby captainwalrus on Thu Jan 28, 2010 7:25 pm

MountainLion wrote:Vote Colton

Colton, see that bus about to hit you, your scum buddy has just thrown you under it. Sucks.
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Re: Zombie Mafia - DAY ONE - +- 24 hours until deadline!

Postby MountainLion on Thu Jan 28, 2010 7:31 pm

I'm not anyone's scum buddy, captain.

I do have to say, probably bad timing for this particular game and how it's gone... I will be offline from Friday night to Sunday afternoon. I'm going skiing with some friends for the weekend. I will get online tomorrow before I leave though
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Re: Zombie Mafia - DAY ONE - +- 24 hours until deadline!

Postby LSU Tiger Josh on Thu Jan 28, 2010 7:42 pm

Unvote colton is stupid enough to do what he said as town by claiming early and not caring. I would say he is worth at least an investigation, but at this point would not vote him especially with the "random" lynch we got from a daytime vigilante.
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Re: Zombie Mafia - DAY ONE - +- 40 hours until deadline!

Postby pancakemix on Thu Jan 28, 2010 7:45 pm

MountainLion wrote:Yeah, you said it works both ways, but you finish (directly after that) by linking Colton to being a doc and me being a godfather. If it works both ways, why do you go with Colton being town? Perhaps you are the one protecting him? Here is your exact quote by the way: "The chances of one of them having a particular scum role is equal to the chances of one of them getting an equally powerful pro-town role, and it does us no good if by lynching Colton we eliminate our doc and by letting ML live we let the GF go free, all the while throwing suspicion from our intended target?"

I could be wrong on that, but I swear I heard it somewhere. I think it was wicked who mentioned it in a game.

Defensive? I suppose you could see it that way. I'm trying to find scum, so why wouldn't I try to poke at you for a response? Plus it's fun. I didn't respond to Serbia? I gave him the only reasoning I could for what I've done, which is the truth. I don't have anything else.


You keep taking the quote out of context, which is lynching Colton on the basis of one player being less valuable than another. My point is, I'd rather vote based on material evidence pointing one direction, not evidence pointing down a path that we might need go down tomorrow.

Well, those aren't really the answers I'd hoped for, but they'll have to do for now, mostly considering the deadline and of course, Colton's revelations.

As for Colton, this whole role claim business has rightly raised some eyebrows. It may not be entirely his fault for the early claim, although he should have looked the rules over for any changes to the norm, especially considering that this game is likely to have a twist even if one only knows the theme. The pouty "Fine, lynch me" attitude also has me concerned, but more often than not, I've seen that the lines of the misunderstood townie. Considering these new developments, Unvote, but Colton my vote shall not yet receive. I'll try get on once more before deadline to make my final judgment, but until then I'm not putting my vote anywhere.
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Re: Zombie Mafia - DAY ONE - +- 24 hours until deadline!

Postby MountainLion on Thu Jan 28, 2010 7:50 pm

Colton, you may or may not be a watcher, but that doesn't mean you're town. There are watchers on the side of mafia, right? I don't know...it's been so long since I've seen roles.

Colton, what kind of watcher are you? Can you get more specific, since you claimed anyway?
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Re: Zombie Mafia - DAY ONE

Postby Koesen on Thu Jan 28, 2010 8:11 pm

Vote Count:

GimpyThewonder / Happy2seeyou: 2 (ga7, Colton)
Mandalorian: 1 (GimpyThewonder)
Iliad: 1 (Mountainlion)
Fircoal: 1 (F1fth)
Mountainlion: 1 (Serbia)
Colton: 3 (Captainwalrus, Mandalorian, Talapus)

15 alive, 8 to lynch. Deadline Friday morning 10 AM EST / 3 PM GMT, approximately 14 hours from now.

I think Mountainlion forgot to unvote, but I'll go back to check it and correct this vote count if necessary.

Edit: Went back and unless I overlooked something, Mountainlion did not unvote and therefore his vote will not be counted. If I made any mistakes, do let me know.
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Re: Zombie Mafia - DAY ONE - +- 24 hours until deadline!

Postby LSU Tiger Josh on Thu Jan 28, 2010 8:14 pm

The only time I've ever heard of a "watcher" type role for the "scum" type was when I created teams like in the civil war. If he is watcher, than he would be protown barring a conversion to a cult/zombie type role.
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Re: Zombie Mafia - DAY ONE - +- 24 hours until deadline!

Postby F1fth on Thu Jan 28, 2010 8:32 pm

LSU Tiger Josh wrote:Unvote colton is stupid enough to do what he said as town by claiming early and not caring. I would say he is worth at least an investigation, but at this point would not vote him especially with the "random" lynch we got from a daytime vigilante.

LSU Tiger Josh wrote:The only time I've ever heard of a "watcher" type role for the "scum" type was when I created teams like in the civil war. If he is watcher, than he would be protown barring a conversion to a cult/zombie type role.


I agree with both of LSU's posts here. What basis do you all have to refute colton's claim? If we wait a day or two, it's likely that someone will investigate him (we have to have more than two investigative roles in a non-vanilla game, and if he's lying, that makes only one we've found so far). In the meantime, we get colton's investigations to either use or catch him as lying scum depending on his alignment. And again, colton has made sudden claims before as town, so his behavior isn't really unusual.

It seems like you guys want to lose more power roles or something. Anyway, I'd vote ML for voting colton AFTER his claim, but from his position it's either him or colton on the chopping block. I'm sure that regardless of his alignment he doesn't want to be lynched day 1, if he's town, going after colton still makes sense. CaptainWalrus, however, has been pursuing the angle that both are likely scum (when I don't really suspect that either are) when he doesn't even have a stake in this. Seems scummy to me, so Unvote Vote CW
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Re: Zombie Mafia - DAY ONE - +- 14 hours until deadline!

Postby captainwalrus on Thu Jan 28, 2010 8:37 pm

[color=#00001]unvote[/color]
after re-reading, the case against colton isn't as strong as I thought it was. I was sort of following serbia's logic too much. I am not very sure colton is scum, and so I don't want to lynch him. Even if he is scummy, he claimed watcher, so risk doesn't outweigh odds of him being scum.
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Re: Zombie Mafia - DAY ONE - +- 14 hours until deadline!

Postby captainwalrus on Thu Jan 28, 2010 8:38 pm

captainwalrus wrote:[color=#00010]unvote[/color]
after re-reading, the case against colton isn't as strong as I thought it was. I was sort of following serbia's logic too much. I am not very sure colton is scum, and so I don't want to lynch him. Even if he is scummy, he claimed watcher, so risk doesn't outweigh odds of him being scum.

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Re: Zombie Mafia - DAY ONE - +- 14 hours until deadline!

Postby captainwalrus on Thu Jan 28, 2010 8:39 pm

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captainwalrus wrote:unvote
after re-reading, the case against colton isn't as strong as I thought it was. I was sort of following serbia's logic too much. I am not very sure colton is scum, and so I don't want to lynch him. Even if he is scummy, he claimed watcher, so risk doesn't outweigh odds of him being scum.

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Re: Zombie Mafia - DAY ONE - +- 24 hours until deadline!

Postby MountainLion on Thu Jan 28, 2010 8:46 pm

First off, those of you who don't post within the last 24 hours of the deadline, we can think you may as well vote for no lynch. I suggest you give us something before tomorrow.

Unvote

Colton, I still want to know more details about your watcher role. Please give me more specifics.
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Re: Zombie Mafia - DAY ONE

Postby Koesen on Thu Jan 28, 2010 8:51 pm

Just so we have a Vote Count on this page too:

GimpyThewonder / Happy2seeyou: 2 (ga7, Colton)
Mandalorian: 1 (GimpyThewonder)
Mountainlion: 1 (Serbia)
Colton: 2 (Mandalorian, Talapus)
Captainwalrus: 1 (F1fth)

15 alive, 8 to lynch. Deadline Friday morning 10 AM EST / 3 PM GMT,
approximately 13 hours from now.

It will be interesting to see how far you can go from here until the deadline :)
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Re: Zombie Mafia - DAY ONE - +- 24 hours until deadline!

Postby colton24 on Thu Jan 28, 2010 9:01 pm

MountainLion wrote:Colton, you may or may not be a watcher, but that doesn't mean you're town. There are watchers on the side of mafia, right? I don't know...it's been so long since I've seen roles.

Colton, what kind of watcher are you? Can you get more specific, since you claimed anyway?


What happens is, when I watch someone, I find out who visited the person I target.

And if the person gets killed its pretty easy to find out who was the mafia.
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Re: Zombie Mafia - DAY ONE - +- 24 hours until deadline!

Postby MountainLion on Thu Jan 28, 2010 9:19 pm

colton24 wrote:
MountainLion wrote:Colton, you may or may not be a watcher, but that doesn't mean you're town. There are watchers on the side of mafia, right? I don't know...it's been so long since I've seen roles.

Colton, what kind of watcher are you? Can you get more specific, since you claimed anyway?


What happens is, when I watch someone, I find out who visited the person I target.

And if the person gets killed its pretty easy to find out who was the mafia.


Sorry, I know what a watcher is.... what I mean is, are you any particular kind of watcher?
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