[Official] NBC Mafia Town Win MVP=trinicardinal

[MeDeFe]

I did the numbers and it looks like town can survive even if I'm killed and Leitz commits suicide via the one-way lover mechanic. If we lynch a scum we're 6-3 after today, and 4-3 after the night. That's winnable as long as there are no mislynches.

[dazza2008]

unvote vote PCM

[MoB Deadly]

PCM flips godfather

What we know:

Medefe is cleared as Jack.

What we should do:

Trini swaps me with one of the following: MoB, Betiko, Epitaph, Leitz, Chap, Dazza, Medefe (some choices are better than others, but I don’t want to talk too much about it so mafia can’t predict what you’ll do).

MoB swaps me with one of the following: Trini, Betiko, Epitaph, Leitz, Chap, Dazza, Medefe (some choices are better than others, but I don’t want to talk too much about it so mafia can’t predict what you’ll do).

Epitaph protects me (I’ll need 2 layers of protection because the roleblocker is still alive).
If Betiko truly is an inventor and has other powers, he can kill or roleblock Epitaph (killing is the better option).

If I die:

If the scene suggests that I was killed accidentally (like Swifte), bad luck for us. If it doesn’t, the most likely explanation is that our busdriver (be it Trini or MoB) was roleblocked and Epitaph lied about being a (backup) doctor. In that case, Epitaph is 2nd mafia and Chap is cleared. 3rd mafia is either Trini or MoB and 4th mafia is either Betiko, Leitz or Dazza. If you end up thinking MoB is the 3rd mafia, Betiko is probably the 4th.

Do not cast a single vote on D5 before everything is thoroughly discussed. If you want to tally opinions on who should be lynched, use FOS instead.
Town should give more weight to Medefe’s opinions.

@everyone: is there any concern to the aforementioned plan? Anything I might have overlooked? Speak now!

@Safari: sorry, but I have to ask this. PCM is not even trying to defend himself. Is there any chance you can modkill him (without ending the day) for purposefully playing against his own winning condition (throwing the game)?

Honestly I didnt even think about the possibility that one of Jim's investigation on Epi could be a Godfather result. With PCM's lacking defense, I am starting to second guess myself.

I think this plan is great because it is the only way we assure that the Cop lives for another investigation

[MeDeFe]

I see no problems with Rodion's plan.

[pancakemix]

So invested that you can't claim when about to be lynched and can't even try? Obviously he just wanted to stick around because the odds were so good that the mafia would win and he is mafia. Because he definitely hasn't invested anything since then.

Honestly, if I truly had time to post something of value, I would. But I don't. So I can't. I dislike how I'm being painted as apathetic just because I'm not posting as much as you'd I'd like. I don't take kindly to being slandered like that.

I'm going to say it again: I've said all I've needed to. If you refuse to discern my meaning, that's your prerogative. Sometimes saying very little can say a whole lot.

[Rodion]

The only meaning I can see coming from your actions is that you are counterclaiming Medefe as Jack, but does it hurt to make it clear on all of us?

And if that's what you are doing, can you go back to D1/D2/D3 interactions between Strike/Shield (or you)/Medefe/Leitz that show you are more likely to be Jack then Medefe? Perhaps a breadcrumb? Anything?

[safariguy5]

Vote Count

Epitaph(2)-betiko, MoB,
betiko(1)- epitaph
MeDeFe(1)- PCM
PCM(4)- chap, leitz, trini, dazza


With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

Day ends midnight March 1st PST. If a lynch is not reached by then, a no lynch will be declared.

[Epitaph1]

I have 5 pages to read and I'm moving today and tomorrow. I'll try to get to it as soon as I can because it appears we have a plan.

[Rodion]

PCM flips godfather

What we should do:

Trini swaps me with one of the following: MoB, Betiko, Epitaph, Leitz, Chap, Dazza, Medefe (some choices are better than others, but I don’t want to talk too much about it so mafia can’t predict what you’ll do).

MoB swaps me with one of the following: Trini, Betiko, Epitaph, Leitz, Chap, Dazza, Medefe (some choices are better than others, but I don’t want to talk too much about it so mafia can’t predict what you’ll do).

In case PCM flips godfather, I'd like both Trini and MoB to remove Epitaph from the swapping list, since there is a chance Betiko will kill him and you don't want me to be killed instead.

The lists should be:

For MoB: swap Rodion and
Trini, Betiko, Leitz, Chap, Dazza, Medefe (6 options)

For Trini: swap Rodion and
MoB, Betiko, Leitz, Chap, Dazza, Medefe (6 options)

[Rodion]

viewtopic.php?p=3429947#p3429947

Check the creative names Safari gave for the inventor powers in the previous official game.

[betiko]

ok, let's unvote vote PCM, i beleive he's as scum as epi so let's advance

[chapcrap]

http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=3429947#p3429947

Check the creative names Safari gave for the inventor powers in the previous official game.

Yeah... We should probably be lynching betiko... And he just voted for PCM. Makes me wonder if we're doing the right thing. unvote for just a minute.

[Rodion]

http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=3429947#p3429947

Check the creative names Safari gave for the inventor powers in the previous official game.

Yeah... We should probably be lynching betiko... And he just voted for PCM. Makes me wonder if we're doing the right thing. unvote for just a minute.

The thing is that, if Betiko is mafia, MoB lied about Betiko being mafia's N2 target, which means MoB is also mafia.
That means Trini is town and Medefe was mafia's N2 target, so Medefe is cleared, which means PCM "fakeclaimed" Jack, so PCM is mafia anyway.

The only (reasonable) way for PCM not to be mafia is if mafia are:
Medefe
Leitz
Epitaph
Trini

[chapcrap]

I've thought about it and I agree that PCM should be lynched. I'll revote.

Rodion, you can hammer if you'd like. I don't think we have much more to discuss today.

unvote vote PCM

[Rodion]

I was just trying to give PCM another shot at defending himself, but my patience is running out.

If PCM ends up being town, I can only lament the way he allowed himself to be killed without even bothering to claim when it was obvious he was the most likely to be lynched. Then it's all up to MoB and Betiko to prevent mafia's NK (or NK one of the mafia) or we lose.

Trini/MoB/Epitaph/Betiko - please check your night action options depending on what PCM flips. If he flips godfather, notice that I've made a change to what the busdriver should do.

With that said, let's hope for the best.

I was going to vote, then I got scared that PCM could be a mafia bomb. Can we get MoB to hammer just in case?

[pancakemix]

The only meaning I can see coming from your actions is that you are counterclaiming Medefe as Jack, but does it hurt to make it clear on all of us?

And if that's what you are doing, can you go back to D1/D2/D3 interactions between Strike/Shield (or you)/Medefe/Leitz that show you are more likely to be Jack then Medefe? Perhaps a breadcrumb? Anything?

No, I can't. How can I speak for the actions of another? And why should I anyway when I have not been given the benefit of the doubt, despite the fact that your "patience has run out"?

[Leitz]

It's odd that he isn't even trying to defend himself. In the few games I've played I've seen several players doing this, very strange!

[pancakemix]

It's odd that he isn't even trying to defend himself. In the few games I've played I've seen several players doing this, very strange!

I'm also tired of people insinuating I've not made a defense. My meaning should have been clear enough, but apparently in a game where information is power being able to acquire it subtly is something to be ignored.

If I MUST be upfront about something, I had no initial knowledge of any lover.

[Rodion]

What is the friggin' purpose of being subtle after a massclaim? If Medefe is mafia, he'd know you to be Jack after you voted him. In fact, he (and all the mafia) already knew you were Jack back when only the 2 of you had to claim.

You took way too long to claim for what reason? To not out your power role to mafia when they already knew who you were?

Right when I subbed in the game I asked you to claim as I knew one between Medefe and you would claim Jack (and the other would likely counterclaim) and you had been the most suspicious one with the poor Epitaph vote. That was your chance to claim first and get some benefit of the doubt headed your way. By delaying your claim for no reason you've only made Medefe's more believable.

And if you are town you SHOULD be rereading the thread to find either an inconsistency in Medefe's or Leitz's claim or something that backs yours. I did and it was mostly inconclusive, as Strike never voted either of the Jack claims (so both could be believable) and Leitz never voted Medefe (so we can't catch him in a lie that easily). Neither Medefe nor you has ever voted Strike either. The stronger evidence (and it is a rather weak evidence) I was able to find is Strike agreeing with me back when we were discussing Jonty's and Shield's comments on BG's light blue, when Strike very subtly implied that Shield did something scummy.

And this is not to say you're completely distrusted. Jim breadcrumbed cop to make his claim more robust. Perhaps Strike did the same? And being that you claim you were a mason with him during N3, he could have pointed you to where the breadcrumb was so you could clear yourself in case someone claimed your role?

[safariguy5]

Vote Count

Epitaph(1)-MoB
betiko(1)- epitaph
MeDeFe(1)- PCM
PCM(5)- leitz, trini, dazza, betiko, chap


With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

Day ends midnight March 1st PST. If a lynch is not reached by then, a no lynch will be declared.

[Leitz]

I agree with Rodion we should let MoB finish PCM.

[chapcrap]

I just really doubt that he's a mafia bomb. As I am not scared of bombs in this game (already proven ), I'll unvote, so that I can be the hammer. Go ahead and vote Rodion.

[Rodion]

Vote PCM.

And he had better be mafia!

[Rodion]

And if he somehow is a bomb/vengeful and kills a townie when he dies, game gets 5-3 and protecting Medefe becomes the priority.

[chapcrap]

unvote vote PCM

Hammer Time.