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[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

Here is your choice, push Mets for a claim, or get Strike to explain himself.

I am not happy to pursue any other option as I really really dont like the way Mets has played so far. (You might have worked that out by now)

We can argue this on D3, lets concentrate on D2 for now.

[StorrZerg]

Storr pushing this case from selfish reasons makes me less likely to want to vote for it to be honest.

i'm trying very hard to find mafia, to accuse me of pushing only selfishly is absurd. If you are in my position, regardless of alignment your going to push for a skill/mets over yourself. I can't help that my 2 of my 3 cases today lead to claims/partial claims.

Where have you been today? (this day phase)
Do you have a reason to town defend skill today that doesn't have to do with his claim/flavor?

[StorrZerg]

Why you should be keeping me alive and be lynching skill. Few bullet points into Large wall of text, commenting on his quotes.

1. I keep discussion going
2. I'm actively scum hunting
3. I'm making reads on many people, not just a general list of 1 sentence, but i talk alot about peoples alignment.
4. I'm not mafia. I'm 3rd party survivor. Something claimed day 1. Its pretty established by at least more than half believe this claim fully, and a few more to the point that there is no point to lynch me since you will not be killing mafia.
5. I can swing wagons, people this game just like following where i go.... With better direction i can help lead town, i need some help on this.
6. I lead votes, I'm not letting other people do the work and hiding.

Why should skill be lynched. (all Skill quotes)
1. has been very passive this game.
2. perks up when called on
3. Has not expanded his scum reads since day 1 (ok he added madmitch as a joke?)
4. he has been checked to see if he has a wand. His death can confirm degs power, or catch a second mafia.
5. All claims have been human so far, he is the odd one.
6. Lack of reads after his scum read of storr. No one knows how he stands on 90% of the other players.
7. Storr push is giant omgus, its also the easiest claimed person he can push against.
8. Votes by wagoning. never pushes anything himself. Wagon on mtamb, Deg, Storr

Not voting for Sempai today...

So do you think we need someone else to claim so you can vote for them?
We have Storr/Filch claiming no powers.
Mtam claiming some kind of power that will presumably lead to more information on D2.
And now Sempai who made an unforced claim of "town with no night power" Can that be something other than VT? If he is scum, has he been given a cover name? Does that fact that he didn't give one mean that he doesn't have one and is afraid to make a claim on a name that is being used?

As I've said before, I'm generally in favor of getting more input from the lurkers because I think that will help things become more clear on D2, but I don't know the standard for when you have enough claims and decide that you have to pick one of them to vote for, or else "no lynch". I agree that the reasoning for the attention on sempai was pretty weak when it started, but in my first game, an unforced claim turned out to be a tell by a nervous/inexperienced scum.

Yes there are other options that make him not a VT, but I won't go into them.

So far I have some pretty decent reads on most active players I think. But everything could change, and everything is based off my gut feeling from posts.
Townish Vibes: Tonka, strike, streaker, deg, Ragian,
Antitown (mafia and 3rd party): Storr, mtam, charm.
All the other players are up in the air for me right now.

As for Sempi I think he is jumpy and been following others weak cases early, but I don't particularly see him as a huge threat to town right now, if this continues into day 2/3 I would say more pressure needs to be applied.

My largest scum tell is on mtam and how he is playing this game. To me this actually feels not like a mafia role, but as a cult leader role on his part. By him saying if he is lying he will be dead. If I remember correctly colts can't recruit mafia.

I diffidently need to go back and re-read since I took all this in pretty fast

fped by about 6 people.

As for the number of claims on day 1 it depends on the size of the game, I would say that going up to about 4 in this game would be reasonable.

So his first post of content. Lists 5 unexplained town reads. Yes unexplained. Lists 3 mafia reads, all un explained (save for 1 sentence remark on tamb, which isn't actually a read) . Like to point out how he feels that they are decent reads.
He is for more pressure on sempai, but doesn't have a read on him, but from his comment feels that sempai is leaning mafia. Why wouldnt he include him within his scum reads?

Vote Madmitch, even though nothing will likely come of this case.

When you (other towns) Vote someone that you believe is mafia, do you ever question yourself or the case? The questioning of the case in itself damns any progress you might have with the case. If you can't take it seriously how can the rest of town. Doing what skill did draws less attention.

Just had this game to the mafia then. Lets see if I can go build a case to save my ass.

Apathetic attitude from someone thats been largely inactive to the proceedings of today. Please check his posts regarding pixar. The push on him took several days, and he has quoted several people who talk about pixar, but only to talk just about himself. He avoided lime light today on purpose. (He does eventually give a non committal remark to pix, not commenting on alignment)

Vote Mtam.

I would really like to hear more about the ability you have and are planning on using tonight.

Fishing for Role information.

What about skillful seems very under the radar

I am sorry I haven't said much, but what is to say when all we had for most of the last 10-15 pages is bickering between people about mtams play. I feel like a lot of people have let their emotions get envolved with this game, and taken them as personal attacks.

I also feel like I had explained my vote well enough for the mtam case, and to be honest not wanting to dive into the bickering at end up having things become personal attacks against my own logic because people were upset. I thought mtam was playing poorly early, but now that his role is revealed I actually understand his gameplay.

Unvote

I think another person that might be worth looking at is mudpuppy, almost every post he has made has been very little contribution to the game itself, such as his previous post

....I'd sooner watch Fox News.

Strongest scum-tell of D1.

To me this is a pretty big scum tell, it makes you look like you are involved because when people are looking back through the thread your name comes up often, and people pass by to continue the search for a specific post. But when your posts are basically purely sarcasm it doesn't help any case.

Another note: why I am never active when everyone else seems to be is because it is between 2-5 AM where I am, so I always get the tail end of the days conversation.

So he is called out, and what happens he responds in a very polite manner to one of his 3 scum reads. This is 4 days after his post of 5 unexplained town reads and 3 unexplained mafia reads. He made one post since then, and that was a vote to wagon onto mtamb. (As well to comment to t a mistake) He down plays his lack of activity, because of bickering about mtambs play. SO why had he never commented on it? Seems like he was content letting it happen, and is choosing NOW to comment on it after the push is losing stream.
He gives a scum read on mudpuppy, (but he doesn't follow this up latter) Since his initial 3 scum reads, he hasn't followed up on any of them till me a day ago.

Thanks, I was hoping you had investigated me last night

Honestly this is weird, why would you expect to be investigated. If skill is mafia, its possible they tracked/did something with deg so they knew where he went. Thus knowing SKill had to claim no wand.

Thinking about it, Minerva wouldnt have needed a wand to be a watcher. She could just switch to tabby cat form and watch unnoticed.

I dont like the idea of killers using non-wand weapons. Doesnt fit with the flavour. I dont know mafia roles well enough to comment on whether there are going to be non-wand roles in mafia.

If you are looking only on flavor, Voldemort wouldn't allow anyone to join him if they weren't deemed a pure blood, and thus be able to use magic, and with most of his members being wizards I would assume all of them would have a wand, even if they had a passive role. If deg were to investigate a wizard then they would have a wand on them at all times, even if it wasn't necessary for their role, since the wand is the main way that magic is used in this series.

Interesting flavor talk, considering if he is what he says he is, he should expect some mafia to be wandless. Other wise deg finding no wand would auto mean town. That doesn't sound right. To me it sounds like he all ready knows he has been investigated by deg.

The only people who seem to get any attention are the people who overreact to everything, hence why no one takes streaker seriously in this game, and no one seems to comment on his case. That is also why storr and mtam got all the attention day 1, they were the biggest asses in the game to start, hence why people can't let them go.

Strange comment to make. "Can't let storr/mtamb go" Only to, have himself "not let go of storr"

If skill has been looking and hunting for scum all game, He should have some evidence of doing so. Specially with his case on me. Yet save for his first post of 5 towns and 3 mafia, He never mentions me negatively. He agrees with comments, apologizes to me. His likely only other explained scum read of Mudpuppy regarding his activity and posting mannerisms, he never bothered to follow up with. What changed to not wanting to push mud? This reads more like a mafia, who is throwing out reads when he can, and isn't interested in seeing them ferment.
He does the same thing with madmitch, but when someone calls out his vote, his reaction is to back track and unvote.

[MudPuppy]

Why you should be keeping me alive and be lynching skill. Few bullet points into Large wall of text, commenting on his quotes.

2. I'm actively scum hunting - Please give us your current player reads before your potential death later this morning
4. I'm not mafia. I'm 3rd party survivor. Something claimed day 1. Its pretty established by at least more than half believe this claim fully, and a few more to the point that there is no point to lynch me since you will not be killing mafia. I believe your claim... but it's not confirmed. While your death would likely not kill Mafia, it would likely save a Townie.

Why should skill be lynched. (all Skill quotes)
4. he has been checked to see if he has a wand. His death can confirm degs power, or catch a second mafia. I get that you're trying to save yourself but please stop making arguments you know to be untrue. His death confirms nothing about deg since a Scum Deg with no wand check basically just repeated Skill's claim in the form of a confirmation. You know better and your twisting of reality into a self-serving, false argument is scummy
5. All claims have been human so far, he is the odd one. Another big stretch here... clearly Dobby is a valid humanoid character in this game.

[got tonkaed]

I dont disagree with a single thing Storr has said in regards to him trying. Yet we are going to end day 2 with a townie lynch if we don't lynch Storr in my opinion.

Vote Storr

[StorrZerg]

Mp, skills death has the potential to catch deg in a Lie. It can help prove his claim as well. It's not bullshit.

[StorrZerg]

I dont disagree with a single thing Storr has said in regards to him trying. Yet we are going to end day 2 with a townie lynch if we don't lynch Storr in my opinion.

Vote Storr

Please respond to points on my skill case.

[got tonkaed]

My response: you are doing this purely to keep yourself alive and don't care about whether or not Skill turns up as scum.

The deg thing is a red herring at this point. It's a lot of words to save yourself.

[StorrZerg]

Please stop being contradicting and stop avoiding legitimate concerns and accusations on him.

[got tonkaed]

I am not being contradicting. You are a claimed non-town role who is currently posting in the role of a lyncher. So far your cases for as well intentioned as they have been have seemingly turned up 0 scum.

If you have no value otherwise, well I don't want to lynch a townie for you to not find another scum tomorrow. Again, if I thought we had a better lynch (any scum lynch at all) I wouldn't be voting you. But that isn't going to happen before I leave for work in 30 minutes.

[strike wolf]

Storr lynch proves little other than who would rather go with the safe lynch than risk the chance of losing someone who might be townie (I'd put myself at about 65% confidence that Skill is scum; 15% that Storr is scum) but gain us information. I feel like the case that Skill is town because he seemingly told the truth about not having a wand was pretty easily debunked by the fact that Skill likely would feel pressure to claim that whether it's the truth as mafia that he doesn't have one and he knew that he could be potentially investigated by Deg or the fact that deg and Skill could both be mafia and intentionally playing this to give Deg some credit. The fact is that yes Storr is acting to save his life again but unlike yesterday where in hindsight, we probably should have lynched him over a claimed Snape, I feel he is right on the Skill case.

Here is your choice, push Mets for a claim, or get Strike to explain himself.

I am not happy to pursue any other option as I really really dont like the way Mets has played so far. (You might have worked that out by now)

We can argue this on D3, lets concentrate on D2 for now.

The chances that neither me nor Mets will be investigated for this from a cop or other role are pretty slim.

[StorrZerg]

No, you are deeming anything I say invalid because of my self claim. I'm trying to read you based on your analysis of the accusations and your defense of skill

[got tonkaed]

The thing is, lynching skill does pretty much nothing to determine Degaston in anyway. A follower would seemingly be the right fit for wand/no wand, and that really has nothing to do with alignment. You can be a town or mafia follower.

Skill being a friend of harry's as dobby makes sense. What scum group would dobby realistically be a part of?

I don't think a vanilla townie (if that is what he is) not posting a ton in a large game on day 1 and 2 when nothing is that clear is all that weird. Some people don't do as much if they don't have a power role.

Flipping skill just doesn't tell us anything that I can see would be super impactful. Flipping storr might actually tell us something about mtam though.

[Epitaph1]

VOTE COUNT

Pixar - mtamburini, charm
Mets - Storr, Wing, sempai, sempai
skill - Strike, dd, Mets, mitch, Streaker, Endgame, virus
Storr - skill, Mud, dega, Hotshot, tonka

With 22 alive, it takes 12 to lynch

Deadline: Friday, 11:30 a.m. Eastern Time - firm

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

What the feck does lynching Storr tell us about Mtam? I've said before I have suspicions about Mudpuppy and Get Tonkaed, I dont like that it is the two of them pushing for Storr over Skills. If people believe skills claim there are genuine reasons to vote Storr. It takes one line to say, I believe Skills claim and am voting Storr to avoid a wasted lynch.

I personally dont believe that saving a claimed VT who hasnt offered anything is beneficial when I am not sure I believe the claim. If Skills flips VT then there is no way of Deg knowing that Skills has no wand without using an investigative power.

Skills never actually explicitly claimed to be town aligned. Which bothers me, as his play matches that of a 3rd party survivor (one who unlike Storr hasnt claimed such).

The chances that neither me nor Mets will be investigated for this from a cop or other role are pretty slim.

I considered explicitly asking for a cop check if someone wouldnt mind, but decided against. I would appreciate it.

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

Unvote Vote Skills

Skills hasnt played like a vt at all. (He said he was Dobby with no powers at all, and then confirmed that his alignment was obvious that he always protected Harry)

Bigger problem, he isnt even defending himself anymore!

I think Metz is scum. However, if I look at Strike and ignore all his defending of Mets he seems to be town. I do what to find out more about the two of them, but I shall wait on that till D3 as we are getting close to the deadline. D3, I want an explanation from Charm, and I want an explanation from Strike. I will also put a case together against Streaker as he is next on my list, but we'll have to wait and see what I come up with after going through all his posts.

EBWOP Unvote Vote Skills Sorry I failed to bold and colour yesterday.

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

EBWOP EBWOP *Mets (sorry)

[strike wolf]

Are we still on about Mtam really? Until he is counter claimed. He is Harry flipping Potter.

You are accepting Skill's name claim as gospel. I dont abide by this. I thought you suddenly goinng on about Sempai being town was a bit odd day 1. This with Skill seems even odder to me.

[Epitaph1]

VOTE COUNT

Pixar - mtamburini, charm
Mets - Storr, sempai, sempai
skill - Strike, dd, Mets, mitch, Streaker, Endgame, virus, Wing
Storr - skill, Mud, dega, Hotshot, tonka

With 22 alive, it takes 12 to lynch

Deadline: Friday, 11:30 a.m. Eastern Time - firm

[WingCmdr Ginkapo]

Flipping skill just doesn't tell us anything that I can see would be super impactful. Flipping storr might actually tell us something about mtam though.

I cant see why Town would be on about Mtam, as you say Strike and has been stated many times by many people now. Mtam is Harry Potter until proof says otherwise. Storr flipping provides no proof, unless he flips mafia mason, which has a zero percent chance imo.

I love the fact that those pushing for a Storr lynch today arent bringing up my wonderful post about him possibly being a third party recruiter. Much more of a worry.

[StorrZerg]

Can anyone who has time pull up a list of those with no vote.

[StorrZerg]

If I'm a recruiting player, I totally used it on bg to f*ck with him. That's why strike is town defending me

[Talapus]

After rereading these last few pages again I will go ahead and vote: Skill.

I find it odd that he claimed so quickly(3 or 4 votes in), never claimed an alignment, and was adament he had no wand. Doby was never weak and had abilities without a wand. I don't like how storr tries to push an argument so hard end of each day though. If it turns out Skill is actually useless third party(Which I have a hard time buying right now) then storr will be looking like a good target come D3. Doby however was way more of a bit role in the HP books compared to Filch who was in all of them. So I find it more likely if players were given fake claims, Doby was a good one to get.

[Streaker]

Flipping skill just doesn't tell us anything that I can see would be super impactful. Flipping storr might actually tell us something about mtam though.

I cant see why Town would be on about Mtam, as you say Strike and has been stated many times by many people now. Mtam is Harry Potter until proof says otherwise. Storr flipping provides no proof, unless he flips mafia mason, which has a zero percent chance imo.

I love the fact that those pushing for a Storr lynch today arent bringing up my wonderful post about him possibly being a third party recruiter. Much more of a worry.

Not necesarilly ignoring your post about him, but not putting up a case against storr at all is the interesting part. They know he isn't town (like 99,99%), and they think they can't be punished for having their vote om storr at day end.
At the end of this day, storr has contributed the most content of anyone (maybe apart from wing).

PF'd by storr twice, and talapus

-Tonka's case is that storr didn't contribute anything. It's simply not true and tonka should see this.
-Mudpuppy votes storr because he doesn't want to lynch a townie, so he think skill is town. Why does mp not hunt for scum then, as he also believes storr 3rd party claim? I mean, that's effectively 1 person less from the pool to chose from.
-Skill votes storr as the latter is 'pushing easy cases'. *ahem what about pushing storr?*
-hotshot thinks storr should have been the lynch on D1, but I don't recall hotshot pushing storr hard on D1. I remember him being on the deg wagon, and switching his vote to storr AFTER the lynch occured...

Storr may not be town, but he is sticking his neck out pushing cases. He already claimed to be 'not town', that's an awfully risky play I don't see him making if he had another role. It's all just speculation, but as long as he is contributing I see no point in lynching him.

[Streaker]

EBWOP

The fp'd part goes to the bottom, obviously