[Official] HP Mafia - MVP: Aage - Archive

by **degaston** on Thu May 28, 2015 10:19 am

strike wolf wrote:We call hwm fake claims here generaly.

hwm?

by **Metsfanmax** on Thu May 28, 2015 10:21 am

It's pretty reasonable to assume that Harry, Ron and Hermione are not going to be scum fakeclaims. That would be fucking with the flavor way too much. However, I still maintain that mtam is lying and either just isn't HP, or hasn't told us the whole story about what's going on.

by **strike wolf** on Thu May 28, 2015 10:37 am

Them.

@Mets: I have to think Mtam is Harry and I dont plan on pressuring him to reveal everything.

by **Streaker** on Thu May 28, 2015 10:43 am

Wing, you ARE giving Pix a free pass. We had him at claim, which is inconsistent with his play. The ONLY thing standing between a lynch or not was his name claim.
He has NOT explained his actions, which is why I would have preferred to have the pressure on until he did so.
Now he has no incentive to come forth again. He can go back to sleep, and tomorrow vote Mtamb again lol.

However I don't want him lynched, just wanted explanations. That's a difference in pushing a doc, wing. Pixar has explaining to do. Also storr telling us an explanation is not going to happen does not help at all... But neither is my vote on Pix.

Unvote vote mets

by **Endgame422** on Thu May 28, 2015 10:49 am

Streaker you think strike wolf is bluffing his investigation of mets?
That seems awful bold for scum to me.

by **Talapus** on Thu May 28, 2015 10:51 am

degaston wrote:
Talapus wrote:Now the only other possibility is they are claiming these roles and are technically them because they use the polyjuice and have incpacitated the real players roles for a day. But that's a stupid move because you'd think we'd be able to clear it up the next day.

How would we clear it up the next day? I'm assuming that the scum were given safeclaims.

Purely based on flavor, but polyjuice is very temporary. So even if they had the ability to incapacitate the real player from playing or claiming their role while someone used a polyjuice formula you would think because it's so temporary that even a game like this would only allow the effects to remain for a game day. Then next game day we hear otherwise as someone I'm sure would say something.

by **Metsfanmax** on Thu May 28, 2015 10:53 am

strike wolf wrote:Them.

@Mets: I have to think Mtam is Harry and I dont plan on pressuring him to reveal everything.

Well, sure. I'm not pushing mtam today for a similar reason. But it leaves me kind of in the dark about where to go. I trust Pix even less than mtam or madmitch on the claim side, but pushing a lynch on that claim is a pretty ballsy move that I'm not sure we should make.

@Streaker do you think strike is straight up lying?

by **Talapus** on Thu May 28, 2015 10:55 am

Metsfanmax wrote:
Talapus wrote:
degaston wrote:
Talapus wrote:I still don't even get the discussion about possible fake claims of HP, Ron, and Hermoine. I mean it might, MIGHT be possible, but the possibility that the mod gave the 3 most prevelant roles as fake claims and not as town would floor me. But seriously if this happened then town is already screwed.

What if the mod gave only one of the top three as a fake claim? Is that unreasonable?

Not unreasonable. But if I were a player power role like one of those 3 characters ought to be and town and someone else claimed it I would counter in a heartbeat so we could lynch the scum and and go after whomever else looked like they were working with them.

Really though? Suppose you were Harry Potter and your role was something ridiculous like "you can vig two people every night." You'd really counterclaim in a game with 24 players?

Absolutely, everyone in the books took a hit or protected harry throughout the 7 books. With as many players in this game "the boy that lived" would make it through several nights and the person who fakeclaimed would be lynched the first night with all of us gunning for anyone anywhere that supported that players ideas earlier in the game.

by **degaston** on Thu May 28, 2015 11:07 am

strike wolf wrote:We call them fake claims here generaly.

My understanding from mafiascum.net is that a fake claim is chosen by the player, and may be disputed, but a safe claim is guaranteed not to be disputed - at least not the name part.

Metsfanmax wrote:It's pretty reasonable to assume that Harry, Ron and Hermione are not going to be scum fakeclaims. That would be fucking with the flavor way too much.

You can't assume anything based solely on flavor. I think the mod would have to give out some power names as safe claims, or the game would be too easy to defeat by having everyone claim their name.

Talapus wrote:
degaston wrote:
Talapus wrote:Now the only other possibility is they are claiming these roles and are technically them because they use the polyjuice and have incpacitated the real players roles for a day. But that's a stupid move because you'd think we'd be able to clear it up the next day.

How would we clear it up the next day? I'm assuming that the scum were given safeclaims.
Purely based on flavor, but polyjuice is very temporary. So even if they had the ability to incapacitate the real player from playing or claiming their role while someone used a polyjuice formula you would think because it's so temporary that even a game like this would only allow the effects to remain for a game day. Then next game day we hear otherwise as someone I'm sure would say something.

There's an example from the books where a character stays polyjuiced for most of the year. Yeah, it was Mad Eye/Barty, but I think it was BG that already mentioned this earlier anyway. The point is, that I think it's dangerous to assume that an uncontested name is enough to verify that someone is who they say they are.

by **Streaker** on Thu May 28, 2015 11:18 am

I can only blame the lack of time to post (this isn't my usual time I'm online), but i am trying to be here as much as possible before deadline.
Never meant to vote mets, it was sniper.

Unvote, vote sniper

by **WingCmdr Ginkapo** on Thu May 28, 2015 11:44 am

degaston wrote: You complain that "Too many people are looking at "what" people have done, and not 'why'", but when I posted:
degaston wrote:pixar needs to explain why he protected mtam, and then voted for him again, and was surprised that he wasn't attacked, and how he even knows that he wasn't attacked.
You seem to think that these aren't valid questions. I'm getting pretty sick of this idea that you can't question a strong claim when they do something scummy. Here's an idea - how about the strong roles start playing like they're actually trying to help the town? If you don't want me to question your actions, then don't do things that are questionable.

I have not objected to that question. Pixar did a bad job of answering it.

@Strike - I did not say that Deg's investigation of Skills would prove him to be town. I wondered if it would prove his role, which is not alignment indicative. Very different. Your logic stands true either way.
@Deg - All you can do is make all your actions for the benefit of the town. Circumstantial evidence adds up.

My case against Strike is entirely based on Mets flipping scum, if they turn out to be masons I wouldnt be surprised after that claim from Strike.

by **Epitaph1** on Thu May 28, 2015 12:10 pm

VOTE COUNT

Pixar - mtamburini, charm
Mets - HotShot, Ragian, Storr, Wing, sempai, sempai
skill - Strike, dd, Mets, mitch, Streaker
Storr - skill, Mud, dega

With 22 alive, it takes 12 to lynch

Deadline: Friday, 11:30 a.m. Eastern Time - firm

by **Endgame422** on Thu May 28, 2015 12:29 pm

Less than 24 hours left and an undecided vote again.
Looks like skill or mets.
Id like to lynch mets as it will either clear strike or damn him but i believe him as of now because it just seems like scum would not have made such a hard defense this early.
So im left with skill (dobby the house elf) or the backup lynch on storr (filch).
Lynching either of them will not tell us very much but someone has to go today.
VOTE SKILL
Better chance that hes scum than storr imo.

by **virus90** on Thu May 28, 2015 12:32 pm

Hello world,

moving this weekend have been working full days, to finish work and then work on the new house till late eve to return home and sleep... thats basicly my life for last week. evening off tonight and more time next week(s). could keep up with the other game since it was relativly low volume but this high volume posts... wow...
anyway. ill vote Skillfullsniper, i townread strike so if he says mets is clear im not gonna vote him, and want to add my vote in a meaningfull way, (not starting a vote on someone new so close to deadline).

@ hotshot who at some point said "lol @ virus for suggesting looking for inactives" (or something similar)

yes its kind of ironic but i was getting away with it so to say, so i thought there must be others getting away with it aswell.

fped by endgame

by ***Pixar*** on Thu May 28, 2015 12:47 pm

why did I protect mtam? Because he claimed such a powerful role and even know I still didnt believe him what am I going to do? Protect a random who didn't claim Hairy Potter? I had a 1/24 shot of protecting the right person, possibly 2/24 if there is 2 killers out there. I guess it was a way for me to see if he really was telling the truth, but with one still dying overnight still doesnt prove anything

by **madmitch** on Thu May 28, 2015 1:33 pm

First I voted for skillfull because I trust him and granted he did vote for me, then everyone jumped on Pixar and it made sense to follow and dammit we had him 11 votes then he made his claim he was Hermione Granger and people jumped ship including my self,like I said I couldn,t against my girl,now Skills claims he is Dobby and is not safe because he has no powers, we all know that is a lie because Dobby has all types of magic,and if he lies about that what else has he lied about?

by **MudPuppy** on Thu May 28, 2015 1:39 pm

Can't say I understand the skillfusniper wagon. I get that he's a comparatively minor loss as VT... but his death won't really clear degaston or give much other info and it kills a likely Townie... so, what's the point? What am I missing?

Why does he make a better lynch than Storr who we know isn't Town??? While I'll acknowledge that Storr is likely a better scum hunter, his allegiances are somewhat suspect... and there is always the chance he's some kind of cult recruiter trying to use his third party claim to remain low on town's and mafia's hit list (don't really think that's the case... but it's possible).

fp'd by mitch. We don't know his VT claim is a lie. Sure, Dobby has powers in the books/movies... but I could easily see a magically-impaired Dobby as a character in an HP-themed Mafia game. You're just guessing based on flavor and are likely going to lynch a Townie because of it.

by **MudPuppy** on Thu May 28, 2015 1:42 pm

Mitch, since you are so sure that Skill is lying about his VT claim, do you by extension believe Dega is scum for confirming Skill is wandless???

by **WingCmdr Ginkapo** on Thu May 28, 2015 1:50 pm

Good question Mudpuppy, the other one to ask Madmitch, is WTF is that grav?

by **madmitch** on Thu May 28, 2015 1:51 pm

meant to said did not trust him.@mudpuppy good point about magically impaired Dobby but I doubt that,and what makes you so sure storr is not town,how would you know that? FOS against you!!!!

by **WingCmdr Ginkapo** on Thu May 28, 2015 1:57 pm

Storr has claimed this role - http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Survivor

Storr himself told us he is not town. No member of town lie about that. He has said that he is a third party who wins by staying alive all game. His presence does not affect town from winning by killing mafia.

We do not know if he is telling the truth or not.

by **strike wolf** on Thu May 28, 2015 1:59 pm

What makes Skill a likely town Mud?

by **madmitch** on Thu May 28, 2015 2:02 pm

@ wing what the hell are you talking about grav??? @mudpuppy no I don,t being wandless does not mean you are powerless, look at me I have a wand but I not very good at it so am I powerless or just lucky

by **WingCmdr Ginkapo** on Thu May 28, 2015 2:04 pm

madmitch wrote:@ wing what the hell are you talking about grav???

The toad thing

by **HotShot53** on Thu May 28, 2015 2:16 pm

madmitch wrote:meant to said did not trust him.@mudpuppy good point about magically impaired Dobby but I doubt that,and what makes you so sure storr is not town,how would you know that? FOS against you!!!!

Umm... storr himself says he's third party and not town.

So strike is convinced that mets is town... either a very bold move by scum, or they both really are town. (Or strike is scum saying mets is town and he actually is, to get town points... but that's probably not very likely). Strike had been sounding not-so-towny to me today... but that was probably mostly because he was defending mets so hard when I thought mets was scum. It would seem unlikely to me that scum would defend scum so hard on day 2, so I will unvote (Of course I can second guess myself with all kinds of WIFOM arguments, but that's not for today)

So sniper has claimed Dobby with no powers, and deg after said he was his investigation and had no wand. Like with strike/mets, could be scum defending scum, but deg's claim seems good so I would doubt that. Sniper could be some kind of powerless scum/third party I guess, but that also seems unlikely to me. A sniper lynch would prove deg's role, and with sniper's lack of activity and lack of power, would seem to not hurt town very much, but it probably still will be a town lynch.

So, we're back to where we were in the closing part of day 1, with a decision of who to lynch among all seemingly town claims. As we should have done on day 1, I will vote for the third party and vote storr

Mod... you haven't specified that there will be a lynch at the deadline this time, and per the rules apparently there can be a no-lynch at deadline rather than a lynch sometimes. Will we have a lynch for sure tomorrow or will it be a no-lynch if no majority is reached?