[Official] NBC Mafia Town Win MVP=trinicardinal

[betiko]

Time is an issue now, so PCM and Medefe should claim without further delay.

I've already explained this. I'm not going to again.

And I've thought things through, at this point I need to claim since town roles are so far in the open that it's practically impossible to hide any more.

I am Jack Skellington. Town, masoned to Strike Wolf, who now sadly is no longer among us.

leitz please confirm he is jack.

[Rodion]

Time is an issue now, so PCM and Medefe should claim without further delay.

I've already explained this. I'm not going to again.

And I've thought things through, at this point I need to claim since town roles are so far in the open that it's practically impossible to hide any more.

I am Jack Skellington. Town, masoned to Strike Wolf, who now sadly is no longer among us.

leitz please confirm he is jack.

No, do not!

First we'll see if PCM desires to counterclaim. If he does, we'll ask for Leitz to chime in. If he doesn't, Medefe is cleared.

[betiko]

Time is an issue now, so PCM and Medefe should claim without further delay.

I've already explained this. I'm not going to again.

And I've thought things through, at this point I need to claim since town roles are so far in the open that it's practically impossible to hide any more.

I am Jack Skellington. Town, masoned to Strike Wolf, who now sadly is no longer among us.

leitz please confirm he is jack.

No, do not!

First we'll see if PCM desires to counterclaim. If he does, we'll ask for Leitz to chime in. If he doesn't, Medefe is cleared.

well if leitz confirms medefe is jack it pretty much tells us pcm is scum, no need to wait for his claim or counterclaim.. unless you don't trust leitz. no one counter claimed sally and it's impossible not to have sally in the game. that clears leitz and medefe and puts a guilty sign on pcm (if leitz confirms medefe of course).

[betiko]

saf could not have put sally as a fakeclaim, wouldn t be right.

[Rodion]

well if leitz confirms medefe is jack it pretty much tells us pcm is scum, no need to wait for his claim or counterclaim.. unless you don't trust leitz. no one counter claimed sally and it's impossible not to have sally in the game. that clears leitz and medefe and puts a guilty sign on pcm (if leitz confirms medefe of course).

Assume Leitz confirms Medefe as Jack.

Name the 4 players that you think are scum.

[trinicardinal]

well if leitz confirms medefe is jack it pretty much tells us pcm is scum, no need to wait for his claim or counterclaim.. unless you don't trust leitz. no one counter claimed sally and it's impossible not to have sally in the game. that clears leitz and medefe and puts a guilty sign on pcm (if leitz confirms medefe of course).

Assume Leitz confirms Medefe as Jack.

Name the 4 players that you think are scum.

I came on intending to post some more detailed information today. Given what has happened I am going to hold off for just a little bit. I would like to see betiko's answer to Rodion's question. I'll check in again tomorrow... Although if I can manage later tonight I will.... This should be interesting.

[betiko]

well if leitz confirms medefe is jack it pretty much tells us pcm is scum, no need to wait for his claim or counterclaim.. unless you don't trust leitz. no one counter claimed sally and it's impossible not to have sally in the game. that clears leitz and medefe and puts a guilty sign on pcm (if leitz confirms medefe of course).

Assume Leitz confirms Medefe as Jack.

Name the 4 players that you think are scum.

i think epitaph, trini pcm dazza, in order of likelyness.

[betiko]

well if leitz confirms medefe is jack it pretty much tells us pcm is scum, no need to wait for his claim or counterclaim.. unless you don't trust leitz. no one counter claimed sally and it's impossible not to have sally in the game. that clears leitz and medefe and puts a guilty sign on pcm (if leitz confirms medefe of course).

Assume Leitz confirms Medefe as Jack.

Name the 4 players that you think are scum.

I came on intending to post some more detailed information today. Given what has happened I am going to hold off for just a little bit. I would like to see betiko's answer to Rodion's question. I'll check in again tomorrow... Although if I can manage later tonight I will.... This should be interesting.

so you wait for my answer but not for leitz's confirmation? you don't think it's an important piece of the puzzle?

[Rodion]

Hi, MoB!

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Since you are online, answer me this, please!

Assume Leitz confirms Medefe as Jack.

Name the 4 players that you think are scum.

[Rodion]

If you are online, Trini, do the same!

[MoB Deadly]

You catch me a perfect times I swear! Not coincidence. I JUST posted a huge case on Dazza's First Mafia, and strolled over here before dinner.

Catching up since page 99 now.

Hi, MoB!

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Since you are online, answer me this, please!

Assume Leitz confirms Medefe as Jack.

Name the 4 players that you think are scum.

I think the probability of this is very very very unlikely. That makes the mafia probably:
Trini
Epi
Dazza
Chap

I dont think thats it. I think scum is:

Trini
MeDeFe
Epi
Dazza/Leitz - Leaning towards Dazza who is disagreeing with everything I put out.

[MoB Deadly]

Oh... so apparently I am wrong... I just found MeDeFes claim.... okay, reworking my list now... I dont know now.

[MoB Deadly]

MeDeFe's been tripping my scumdar like none other, I am really surprised to see him claim Jack. And I was like 90% sure chap is town just this past weekend.

[MoB Deadly]

[trinicardinal]

If you are online, Trini, do the same!

my list is

MoB
PCM
betiko
chap or dazza - most likely chap.

I'll give full reasons later but a quick summary of some of the points are

1 - I'm absolutely sure about MoB. One of us has to be mafia - since I'm town he has to be mafia and I'll pull back the points related to that later.
2 - PCM's reaction to my arguments, lists and facts.
3 - PCM's supposed clearing of MoB and betiko
4 - betiko's inventor claim and where I showed how he came up with those names - his timing of using the "inventions" make no sense nor do any of names fit the flavour of the game - saf is too good a mod to use a generic name found in a user guide - especially one where lots of newcomers are directed to
5 - betiko's supposed clearing of chap
6 - I'll post more about this later - but chap claims that saf's comment about no one player knowing more about the game mechanics than any other player means that I don't know what I'm talking about - I've asked so I know... but the same argument that chap uses against me applies to MoB who claims that he was TOLD that he was roleblocked... so he should know about it if what he claims is true and this is just further proof that he is lying....like I said I'll deal with this more later.
7 -

well if leitz confirms medefe is jack it pretty much tells us pcm is scum, no need to wait for his claim or counterclaim.. unless you don't trust leitz. no one counter claimed sally and it's impossible not to have sally in the game. that clears leitz and medefe and puts a guilty sign on pcm (if leitz confirms medefe of course).

Assume Leitz confirms Medefe as Jack.

Name the 4 players that you think are scum.

I came on intending to post some more detailed information today. Given what has happened I am going to hold off for just a little bit. I would like to see betiko's answer to Rodion's question. I'll check in again tomorrow... Although if I can manage later tonight I will.... This should be interesting.

so you wait for my answer but not for leitz's confirmation? you don't think it's an important piece of the puzzle?

Well there's no need for me to wait since MeDeFe was targeted on N2. This meant that MeDeFe was town - and if you look at the listings Jack was the only one outstanding so MeDeFe had to be Jack. I pretty much was sure of that from earlier of after the other claims came out and I became more confident about who the scum are. It kinda was obvious after that.

8 - read through chap's posts for D4 and you will see quite a few inconsistencies in his posting - he's jumping around a lot with his reasoning and contradicting himself at some times.
9 - look back at the bandwagon on Epitaph - MoB, betiko, PCM and chap were all in it.

There's more and I'll be putting together the full evidence as well once I can allocate a few hours of time. but the evidence is mostly there from about page 91 onwards for anyone who reads it (especially bearing in mind the most recent claims and information) Hint: read this page and the one before then go back to page 91 and read froward especially looking at the points raised in the claims/counter claims and the bandwagons.

[trinicardinal]

EBWOP - fastposted by MoB posting a list of people online to this forum nice to see how he's reworking his list.

[MoB Deadly]

EBWOP - fastposted by MoB posting a list of people online to this forum nice to see how he's reworking his list.

Why, because I cant easily pick out all 4 members of scum?

[MoB Deadly]

oh - misread your post - missed the word "how" in there..... well it honestly doesn't matter what my list is. for the rest of the game I am 50/50 mafia so my list doesn't mean shit. I was REALLY hoping we could find someone in common with both our lists.

[Rodion]

For that to happen you'd have to actually publish a list.

[MoB Deadly]

I think the probability of this is very very very unlikely. That makes the mafia probably:
Trini
Epi
Dazza
Chap

I guess, unless I am missing something..... okay - dont take that as my final answer. I didn't really think Leitz was lying, but I guess he could be, I hoped he breadcrumbed that MeDeFe was Jack somewhere to make it a lot easier for us to undoubtably trust him.

[dazza2008]

I think the probability of this is very very very unlikely. That makes the mafia probably:
Trini
Epi
Dazza
Chap

I guess, unless I am missing something..... okay - dont take that as my final answer. I didn't really think Leitz was lying, but I guess he could be, I hoped he breadcrumbed that MeDeFe was Jack somewhere to make it a lot easier for us to undoubtably trust him.

Why would he breadcrumb that in?

That makes it easier for scum to pick up on and could really kill them both. That would be stupid play would it not?

[chapcrap]

Oh my goodness. If MeDeFe is truly Jack, then PCM has to be mafia.

In that case, the mafia have to be:

PCM
dazza
Trini/MoB
Epitaph/betiko

I don't think that you can clear any of the counterclaims based on MeDeFe being Jack. I'm thinking more and more that Trini is not scum over MoB, but I still can't be sure. I think it's funny that they are both starting to put me on their lists.

PCM, please claim already.

[Rodion]

well if leitz confirms medefe is jack it pretty much tells us pcm is scum, no need to wait for his claim or counterclaim.. unless you don't trust leitz. no one counter claimed sally and it's impossible not to have sally in the game. that clears leitz and medefe and puts a guilty sign on pcm (if leitz confirms medefe of course).

Assume Leitz confirms Medefe as Jack.

Name the 4 players that you think are scum.

i think epitaph, trini pcm dazza, in order of likelyness.

If PCM is mafia non-godfather, MoB is mafia for clearing him, which would clear Trini.

[pancakemix]

Vote MeDeFe

[Rodion]

I take that as an effective Jack counterclaim.

Leitz, it's time you do your thing! Who's Jack?